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"Brad at the UK Guardian: The ACORN Idiocy..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Lora
said on 9/20/2009 @ 2:56 pm PT...
Brad --- nice article, overall.
Coupla points, if I may be so bold...
I hope, but I doubt, that you are right when you say the right wing won't last without a bogeyman. I don't think they're about to run out of them, first of all, and if they do, it will be simple to manufacture one. As long as America has socioeconomic classes, the right wing has their ready-made bogeyman. Also, they seem to have many other ways to stay in power; for example, their unexplained hold on the Democratc Party.
Which brings me to the weak-kneed, foolish Democrat comment. While clearly there must be some Democrats with weak knees and some who I'm sure are foolish, I'm sure there are just as many who believe in the things the Democratic Party stands for. I feel quite sure that there are other explanations for their across-the-board disheartening willingness to go along with a Republican agenda more times than we can keep up with. I think we need to find out the "why's" so we can:
1) Lend support to those Dems who wish to act like Democrats but feel hampered or stymied in some way,
2) Find the obstacles in their paths and remove them, and
3) Invite those Dems who are acting out of greed to step down and replace them with those more aligned to making true change.
To paint all elected Dems with the same broad brush may do us and them a disservice.
Truly, I believe there is more here than meets the eye. The phenomenon is too far-reaching and affects too many areas of lawmaking and policy to be explained away as cowardly or stupid.
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 3:31 pm PT...
Lora -
While I appreciate your spirited defense of (apology for?) the Democratic Party, I'll repeat what I posted to comments on the previous ACORN article...
First they came for Van Jones, and the Democrats did nothing...
Then they came for ACORN, and the Democrats voted to defund them...
Next they came for...
Of course, if you wish, you can add to that, all of those who are now dead because of Democratic Party failures to stand up to the Republicans, and even enable them, when it came to the march to war, etc. etc.
I'm happy to give credit, and do, to those Democrats who stand up and do the right thing (same for Republicans, btw).
But as a party, since getting back their majority in 2006 and the White House in 2008, they have failed. Time and again. Enough excuses. Sorry.
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BG reader
said on 9/20/2009 @ 3:34 pm PT...
Friedman's basic point seems to be that Acorn is "progressive", so that corruption, wasting taxpayer funds, facilitating crimes that are really evil etc. are entirely excusable and uninteresting.
That's progressives for you.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 3:47 pm PT...
BG Reader -
Apparently you didn't actually bother to read the article. But thanks for putting words into my mouth that have nothing to do with how I feel, and otherwise continuing the sad Republicanist objective of spreading bullshit as far and as wide as possible. Good job!
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David Williamson
said on 9/20/2009 @ 3:53 pm PT...
Hey Brad,
Communism is not dead - it has morphed into "change you can believe in". One might call it marxism, as is being taught on US campi. Or if one had read Jonah Golberg one might call it liberal fascism. Mark Levin calls it statism.
The true story of Acorn, and all the other groups from whence Obama emerged, remains to be told...
I agree, btw, that Obama, Reid and Pelosi are incompetent - our only hope for a change we can really believe in!
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Reggie
said on 9/20/2009 @ 4:29 pm PT...
Oh, wow. How original. A leftist playing the race card when his side is losing the argument. Yawn.
ACORN is a left-wing organization that receives millions of dollars in government grants every year. It is under investigation in 14 states for voter registration fraud. It has close ties to the President of the United States, who once worked for them, and who was endorsed by the organization last year.
ACORN has also been caught on tape at four different offices across the country providing information for a pimp and a prostitute on how to evade paying taxes while running a brothel filled with underage illegal immigrant girls from Central America.
And you don't think this is a legitimate story? You think this is just a "boogeyman" of the Right? Anmd you even defend the organization?
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Cam
said on 9/20/2009 @ 4:36 pm PT...
"The nationwide community group is full of scary black and poor people"
You lost any semblance of integrity as soon as this sentence was typed.
Doesn't it get exhausting constantly portraying those who disagree with the left as racist?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Cam
said on 9/20/2009 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Oh, and the switcheroo about others' supposed voter fraud issues while ignoring ACORN's decade-long problems with voter fraud is a nice touch. I've lost track of how many states they're being investigated in.
But then this is an organization that laughingly pretends to be non-partisan while half of its members walk around in Obama shirts and implore people to vote for him at functions. Why should we believe anything they do?
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Reggie
said on 9/20/2009 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Van Jones is an avowed communist, a former black nationalist (i.e., he hated Whitey), a 9/11 "Truther," and has a criminal record. President 0bama chose this guy to be one of his "special advisers," and he was working out of the White House at taxpayer expense. The 0bama people had, by their own admission, been following his activities for years, and so they surely must have known about his background. Yet they still chose this radical leftist to work in the White House advising the President.
0bama served on a board with an admitted communist domestic terrorist. The terrorist held a fundraiser for 0bama in his home.
0bama attended an anti-American black nationalist "church" for 20 years. The head pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, who used to be 0bama's spiritual adviser, blamed White people for intentionally infecting Blacks with AIDS and addicting them to drugs. Barack and Michelle were married at this "church." His kids were baptised there. The title of one of 0bama's autobiographies comes from a sermon by Wright in which he blames hunger in Haiti on "White man's greed."
All the above information, and much more that is just as disturbing, is 100% factually true. And then you leftists wonder why conservatives (and independents, and moderates...) don't trust the guy? None of this cstuff oncerns you?
Admit it. You're a self-loathing Marxist.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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sheryl
said on 9/20/2009 @ 5:31 pm PT...
Brad,
Maybe Obama and most of the Democratic Party hasn't defended Van Jones and ACORN because there is little to no evidence to defend them with.
I mean even your only defense of the organization is the weak "their effective voter registration operation". Plus your article isn't accurate. Not all the "low level bad apples" are black in the video tapes.
Poor people of all walks of life deserve much better than an organziation like ACORN.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Lora
said on 9/20/2009 @ 7:07 pm PT...
Brad,
I have no argument with you that the Democratic Party has failed miserably.
My issue is what do we do about it.
Calling them names really doesn't do us any good. We've been calling them spineless cowards for years to no avail.
We've gotten behind candidates we really thought would do something right, only to be disappointed over and over again. Brad, have ALL those decent-seeming candidates simply dissolved into puddles of Jello? If so, where are the non-Jello candidates going to come from and how do we identify them?
Until we find an anti-Jello weapon, or find a Jello predictor device, we will be continuously betrayed and disappointed.
Or were they all just corrupt liars? IF so, we really need to expose their corruption and get them out. Again we are stuck if we can't tell in advance who is corrupt and who is trying to do a decent job. Where will the principled candidates come from? And how in hell will we get them elected?
What's your solution?
Me, I want some answers.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 7:55 pm PT...
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 8:01 pm PT...
Cam @ 8 alluded to:
ignoring ACORN's decade-long problems with voter fraud is a nice touch. I've lost track of how many states they're being investigated in.
ACORN "voter fraud"? Really? Let us know where that happened! Until then, you may wish to educate yourself with sources other than Fox, Drudge and Breitbart, because they're playing you for useful suckers. Here's a swell place to start.
Since you probably won't bother to click there, and educate yourself, the short version is that where ACORN is being "investigated", it's because ACORN has actually tipped off officials about where they've been defrauded by employees. Have a feeling Fox keeps forgetting to mention that.
You could also start by reading the actual article that Breitbart is partially quoting. That may help too. But what do I know?
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 8:07 pm PT...
Reggie @ 9, re: Van Jones and other Fox "News" talking points asked:
None of this cstuff oncerns you?
Admit it. You're a self-loathing Marxist.
Nope. Doesn't concern me in the least, because I know what the actual facts are (as well as what Glenn Beck and friends have been telling you guys).
I've also spoken to the Sr. Counsel on the 9/11 Commission about what Beck and friends are so worried about that they can't believe the FBI would allow Van Jones so close to the President, and he felt all of the questions VJ had signed onto concerning 9/11 were fine questions to ask (You can hear that interview or read the transcript right here, if you're inclined.)
BTW, Glenn Beck lied to you guys about what VJ signed onto. You may want to look into that.
Aside from that, no, I don't cop to worries and threats from the Fox "News" Thought Police who did their job on VJ and the Obama administration who pathetically rolled over to it.
I thought "conservatives" were against Thought Police? And I thought Glenn Beck urged everyone to "Question boldly", no matter how scary the truth might be. Guess he was kidding about that.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 8:13 pm PT...
Sheryl @ 10 said:
I mean even your only defense of the organization is the weak "their effective voter registration operation".
Actually, as I was only allowed 600 words at the UK Guardian in this piece, you're unaware of my years-long defense of them. You can read more about it at Guardian, or hundreds of pages here at The BRAD BLOG. Enjoy!
Plus your article isn't accurate. Not all the "low level bad apples" are black in the video tapes.
Actually, your comment isn't accurate. I didn't say that they were.
Poor people of all walks of life deserve much better than an organziation like ACORN.
Your concern for the poor people is moving. Those same poor people, by the way, often pay taxes to support HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars of payments to Blackwater, Halliburton, etc., where low-level employees have been found to have actually, um, killed people and stuff.
I suspect you'll be calling for Blackwater, Halliburton, et all to be immediately defunded too, right? If only to better serve the poor people from all walks of life.
If so, glad you stopped by to fight Big Government corruption!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/20/2009 @ 8:19 pm PT...
Lora @ 11 asked:
Brad,
I have no argument with you that the Democratic Party has failed miserably.
My issue is what do we do about it.
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What's your solution?
Me, I want some answers.
I join you in the search for those solutions, Lora.
For a start, highlighting the Democratic Party failures --- pointing out folks by name --- is important. Secondly, replacing those of them that are up for election in 2010, with folks who will actually stand up for what is right, and for what the vast majority of Americans are demanding, is also a swell idea!
To that end, keep an eye on Accountability Now (Have fixed the link! Sorry about that!), as Jane Hamsher recently mentioned on air that I'd be happy with their soon-to-be-announced iniative. I hope so. Time to boot the Dems who have failed you, as far as I'm concerned!
Also, I'd strongly suggest supporting progressive media, rather than candidates (or the party), simply because you see a "D" next to the name. The wingnuts, as you can tell, spend MILLIONS to corrupt the airwaves and the Internet with nonsense, while progressives, who have been right on one thing after another for years, continue to toil for virtually no money at all.
Really, it matters. Trust me.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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sheryl
said on 9/21/2009 @ 12:33 am PT...
“Actually, your comment isn't accurate. I didn't say that they were.”
Umm yes you did. Here’s your exact quote:
“But when a few actual low-level bad apples – who happen to be African-American”
You make no mention of the non-blacks who were caught on the tapes. And why not mention the other races if you’re going to mention one?
I’ll tell you why……because you, like our former President Carter, you want to imply all of this is racist. And that it is simply racism is what is driving this investigation.
You start your article by accusing the American rightwing of not having a boogeyman and then you respond to me in defense of ACORN, not by an inspiring story from your years of advocacy for the group, but by bringing up your far left boogeyman Haliburton……WTF does Haliburton (and your supposition of what I think of Haliburton) have to do with the price of tea....
Checkout the big brain on Brad. He can bring up Haliburtion to defend ACORN.
ROTFLMFAO.....ah well spent money there Guardian!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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sheryl
said on 9/21/2009 @ 1:07 am PT...
ACORN's Recent History With Prostitution
Perhaps we shouldn't have been completely surprised by the videos we've seen of ACORN workers offering assistance to prostitution rings.
I mean, there was Cincinnati . . .
Shari Bell, 41, of Walnut Hills was arrested Wednesday night by Cincinnati police, reported WCPO, NewsChannel5's Cincinnati sister station.
Bell allegedly approached an undercover officer's car in Evanston and offered him sex for money. Police also said they found a crack pipe in Bell's coat pocket. Bell told police she works for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now at the time of her arrest.
And then there was Cleveland:
An Ohio man who cast an illegal early ballot after being caught registering to vote several times with ACORN is a longtime scammer who was arrested last year — as a woman.
The bizarre tale of Darnell Nash — a k a Serina "Sexy Slay" Gibbs — came to light after Cuyahoga County election officials charged him with voter fraud and this week turned him in to prosecutors.
It turns out that Nash, 24, who has a criminal record as a man, is now a transsexual escort who claims to make $150 an hour turning tricks as the self-proclaimed "Queen of Cleveland Gender Benders."
Maybe this really is just another day at the office for the folks at ACORN . . .
UPDATE: Then there's Milwaukee:
At least seven felons convicted of crimes including cocaine possession and robbery were recruited by a liberal group to register voters in Milwaukee, raising fears they may have committed voter fraud . . . Along with the seven felons, court records show one special registration deputy has a pending felony charge for heroin possession and another is facing a misdemeanor prostitution charge. A third was convicted of misdemeanor prostitution.
ANOTHER UPDATE: And I guess we shouldn't be stunned by the nonchalant reaction to underage prostitution, considering the history of New Mexico branch:
The head of a community reform organization faces sentencing after pleading no contest to two counts of criminal sexual contact with a minor in Torrance County. Ben McGartland of Albuquerque, head of the New Mexico chapter of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, was charged in July in state District Court in Estancia with 10 counts, including second-degree criminal sexual penetration of a minor, three counts of criminal sexual contact, attempt to commit a felony, kidnapping, concealing identity, two counts of possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of marijuana.
http://campaignspot.nati...2MDcxM2EwMWU1NmQxNWM1ZjA
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 9/21/2009 @ 1:11 am PT...
Bouncing ACORN was another tactic to suppress the poor and brown from voting because they tend to vote Dem., It's ALL about suppressing the vote.
The Pukes do not want everyone to vote because they would never win elections otherwise. Ask Mark Jacoby and Nathan Sproul about that if you don't believe me, John McCain hired them two during the last run up to the election, Bush before that. Better yet, I think it was Ralph Reed that admitted it out loud in a speech he gave a while back.
Morton Blackwell could give you a leg up on the basics of rigging.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 1:17 am PT...
Sheryl @ 17 asked:
WTF does Haliburton (and your supposition of what I think of Haliburton) have to do with the price of tea....
Um, because (and it's rather incredible I even have to explain here, but it's a testament to the U.S. media that you don't know) they robbed the U.S. taxpayers of billions of dollars, and were even found to have caused the deaths of U.S. troops.
Further, Blackwater employees, who you forgot to mention, actually murdered people, even as they make more in one (ongoing) contract with the U.S. Government than ACORN has received in their entire existence.
In both of their cases, the evidence suggests that it was not a few bad apples, as with ACORN, but actual company policy from the top down.
So, again I'll ask, do you join me in calling for the immediate cessation of taxpayer dollars to those organizations? Or only to the ones you perceive as supporting Democrats?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 1:22 am PT...
Silly scared Sheryl copy/pasted:
raising fears they may have committed voter fraud
Lots of raised fears. No evidence of voter fraud by ACORN. (Unlike with Ann Coulter and the registration fraud carried out by the HEADS of several Republican-hired organizations like YPM, Sproul & Associates, etc. Oh, and don't forget Allen Raymond up in NH, the Republican operative who spent time in jail for defrauding the NH 2002 election --- in direct cahoots with the BUSH WHITE HOUSE --- and wrote a book about it. I suspect Fox/Druge/Breitbart/Beck et al, haven't bothered to note those points on their "news" sites.)
Have a great night, Sheryl! When you get off Planet Teabag, we'll be here, and ready to welcome you with open arms.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Ranba Ral
said on 9/21/2009 @ 4:54 am PT...
I would be more prone to just dismiss ACORN coverage as partisan hackery if I had not grown up hearing from the local news, in literally every election that I can remember, that ACORN employees were caught doing stuff like registering dead people, sometimes even entire cemeteries, to vote. It never, to my knowledge, cumulated in anything more than prosecuting the one or two individuals who got caught each time; but when you move every 2-4 years and you read about it in the local news in every place you go, it starts to look systemic rather than "just a few bad apples".
The worst part about this? I had this impression of ACORN before I even knew what the difference between a Democrat, Republican, Progressive, Moderate, Liberal, or Conservative was. But then again, I was an odd one. I'd read articles while I used the paper to build my model airplanes, and in Maryland I actually looked forward to the paper because it had a section about the Civil War.
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Damail
said on 9/21/2009 @ 8:17 am PT...
"We here at ACORN say those right-wing tapes are, fake, yeah, they're all fake, they dubbed in voices...ummm...Why did we fire those employees?...I don't know...Right-wing lies!...And two of our ACORN staffers said they knew this couple was pulling a ruse...So they did the smart thing and played along...Yeah, wasn't that smart of them?...One of the workers played along and said she killed her husband, and the other employee said he could use connections in Tijuana to sneak 13-year-old hookers into the country illegally...Ummm...Aren't these workers smart? And funny, too...Errr...We fired both of them, of course...Oh, and our critics are racists because Brad said so...Uhh, can I go home now and watch 'Countdown', please?"
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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sheryl
said on 9/21/2009 @ 9:03 am PT...
"Planet Teabag"
What are you, tweleve years old.
Get your big brain around this Brad.....this isn't about Haliburton or Blackwater or Ann Coulter, this is about ACORN's systemic corruption.
ACORN needs to be held accountable by the Department of Justice....even President Obama beleives they should be investigated based on what these tapes have revealed.
If ACORN is a noble enterprise as you say and not just a do-gooder facade then it should be able to withstand an audit of their funds and investigation of their activties and complete airing of their subsidiaries activties as well.
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John
said on 9/21/2009 @ 9:27 am PT...
It's really not worth debating this Friedman character. He'll dismiss all the facts you can cite as "lies" and then desperately try to change the subject to something about Halliburton or Blackwater.
Van Jones, an avowed communist and racist, is working out of the White House and advising the President of the United States? So what? Dontcha know about the Cheney-Bushitler junta's ties to HALLIBURTON???
ACORN, an organization that President 0bama used to work for, is under investigation in over a dozen states and has been caught in no less than four "sting" operations trying to assist a pimp and a hooker in avoiding taxes while engaging in the sex slavery of underage Hispanic girls from Central America? So what? Dontcha know that BLACKWATER was Bushitler's private army for the genocidal aggression against a peaceful Iraq?
When even admitted leftist Jon Stewart is going after ACORN and laughing at you left-wing 0bama-worshipers in the media for trying to ignore this story, then you know the jig is up.
People like you want to turn our country into cesspool of socialist corruption like Castro's Cuba or Chavez's Venezuela. You seek to silence all opposition to 0bama through your disgusting smears and demonization of conservatives. I don't know how you Marxist propagandists can sleep at night.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Dan-in-PA
said on 9/21/2009 @ 10:16 am PT...
There's not a single instance of voter fraud that is tied to ACORN. Not one. And every single fraudulent registration form they receive is set aside and returned to each Secretary of State BY ACORN. Acorn is bound by law to return ALL voter registration forms, ACORN SETs ASIDE the bad ones so each state can account for and then dispose of them. ACORN then provides the names of any contractor that provided false registrations.
This is exactly how their registration drives are run. This is also, exactly what the law requires them to do.
If you spent 5 minutes reading how these registration laws are intended to work, you'd understand, ACORN is not involved in Voter Fraud, at all.
For the love of God, educate yourselves.
Also, with thousands of independent offices nationwide, ACORNs $3-5 million each year is miniscule compared to the raping we've gotten from too many other sources in recent years.
Seriously, the voter fraud allegations are a huge exaggeration and the money is less than .1% of what Hallibutron scams us for in a single year.
ACORN is being used to distract you from the very real threat to our nation coming at you from other, much more sinister forces.
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Kim Kaufman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:14 am PT...
"First they came for Van Jones, and the Democrats did nothing...
Then they came for ACORN, and the Democrats voted to defund them...
Next they came for..."
But before that, they came for Al Gore and the Dems, at Gore's behest, did nothing...
Then they came for Kerry, and Kerry & the Dems did nothing...
And they came for single payer, and the Dems enabled...
And they've come for habeas, posse comitatus, etc., and the Dems did nothing.
And the list so goes on...
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:15 am PT...
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:16 am PT...
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:17 am PT...
Now we know that Karl Rove spearheaded the firing of David Iglesias, the U.S. Attorney in New Mexico who refused to follow the Bush White House's orders to intimidate low-income voters (ACORN)by making false charges of "voter fraud.”
http://open.salon.com/bl...ter_suppression_vs_fraud
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:18 am PT...
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:21 am PT...
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:32 am PT...
This is just like astroturfing! The rightwingers do "sting operations" against only liberal groups they want defunded, and if they throw enough shit against the wall and something sticks, FOX "news" runs an out-of-proportion distorted infomercial for them! Then, they blow it out of proportion and demonize/dehumanize a group of half a million low income activists mostly of color, based on a few "bad apples". But, we aren't allowed to use the phrase "a few bad apples". That's exclusive to the right, in dismissing THEIR "few bad apples".
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Commen Cense
said on 9/21/2009 @ 12:11 pm PT...
Mr Friedman... Mr Friedman.... Mr Friedman...
You cannot be serious. I am absolutely flabergasted by your response to the pimp and ho tape that recently surfaced. You, the same Liberal crybaby that, along with Jeanneane Garafola, was still crying and whining about stolen votes in the 2000 election (that would be NINE years ago now)as recently as June of 2008. Where is your outrage about the voter registration fraud that ACORN has ADMITTED to? Why is it OK for Democrats to corrupt the political process, but not the Republicans? But or course you are a Liberal Jew that firmly believes that the equal distribution of poverty is a much better option than the unequal distribution of wealth. NEWFLASH Sparky! They tried that shit in the Soviet Union, and we know what happened there. Why do you hate America so much Dude? Why is is that you think that it is OK for Black Organizations to break the law? If there is indisputable evidence that ACORN broke the law, why do you insist on injecting race into the equation? I know why. Because you want to deflect the issue...(An old and very tired tactic bro. U have got to get more creative)Interesting enough tho, it was a WHITE pimp and ho that approached ACORN bout running a WHOREHOUSE WITH UNDERAGE FUCKING CHILDREN. But your chicken shit Liberal ass did not focus on that aspect of the story. Guess it would be no problem for people to whore our kids in your universe. You sir, are pathetic.
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Floridiot
said on 9/21/2009 @ 12:29 pm PT...
Jesus Christ on a crutch!!! How did you attract so many Morans Brad?
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Commen Cense
said on 9/21/2009 @ 12:36 pm PT...
{Ed note: Anti-semetic bullshit deleted. Commenter banned. - BF}
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Cam
said on 9/21/2009 @ 2:13 pm PT...
"Until then, you may wish to educate yourself with sources other than Fox, Drudge and Breitbart"
Brad, your condescension wouldn't be so bad if you were more on target with it. I don't peruse Drudge or Breitbart, for one. For another, I have followed the ACORN voting fraud scandals for years, including the incidents that have taken place in my home city of St. Louis.
Actually, this is my mistake. Why am I trying to have a serious conversation with someone who calls Republicans "Pukes" and seems to believe the only reason people may have a problem with ACORN's actions is because they're enthralled with hurting poor blacks?
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Paul
said on 9/21/2009 @ 2:55 pm PT...
Brad,
Fraud is fraud and corruptness is corruptness.
Too bad you are not a real investigative reporter as you could have been the pimp who exposed them.
The two kids age 25 and 20 give us all hope.
Paul
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Floridiot
said on 9/21/2009 @ 2:58 pm PT...
Poor "cam" must live with a "hood" over his "head"
"Torque" him B with some of your links to FU Mo. for "intake", which explains years of misleading the people of Missouri with disinfo by Thor Hearne and that phony college professor that writes anything voter fraud for a buck (forgot his name, I think Schumer kicked his ass one time at a hearing).
These people are not interested in the truth I can see.
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Floridiot
said on 9/21/2009 @ 3:07 pm PT...
This one is for you Cam, let us introduce Jeff Milyo and Mark "Thor" Hearne to ya.
https://bradblog.com/?p=5803
Brad has a ton more on these two clowns
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 3:35 pm PT...
Sheryl @ 24 said:
Get your big brain around this Brad.....this isn't about Haliburton or Blackwater or Ann Coulter, this is about ACORN's systemic corruption.
ACORN needs to be held accountable by the Department of Justice....even President Obama beleives they should be investigated based on what these tapes have revealed.
Um, did I say there shouldn't be an investigation? If crimes were committed, they should be investigated, and if prosecutions are necessary, the perps should be sent to jail.
Just like with Halliburton, Blackwater, Ann Coulter, YPM, Sproul & ASsociates and the entirety of the Bush Administration.
If you are against corruption by agencies receiving federal funding, wish to see them investigated, put out of business and/or thrown in jail, then you join me in calling for accountability for all of the above, right?
If you don't, you're a Fox "News" conned partisan hack, plain and simple.
So which is it, Sheryl?
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 3:52 pm PT...
John @ 25 said (foolishly):
You seek to silence all opposition to 0bama
First time at The BRAD BLOG, John? Welcome! Now go read up on a few of the articles here.
(Done? Good. I accept your apology.)
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Common Sense @ 34 said (hilariously, if it wasn't so sad and pathetic):
Where is your outrage about the voter registration fraud that ACORN has ADMITTED to?
They haven't admitted any. They have, however, turned in employees who have defrauded THEM to the authorities. But try not to notice amongst your ugly hate and rage.
Why is it OK for Democrats to corrupt the political process, but not the Republicans?
It's not.
But or course you are a Liberal Jew that firmly believes that the equal distribution of poverty is a much better option than the unequal distribution of wealth.
Ah. An anti-semetic Jew-hater. (In case you were wondering where all the "Morans" came from, Floridiot, they came from Breitbart.com - an offshoot of Drudge/Fox "News").
why do you insist on injecting race into the equation?
Ironic question there, genius. BTW, you're banned. Go hate somewhere else.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Cam
said on 9/21/2009 @ 4:05 pm PT...
Brad, why do you change the subject? I'm sure there are plenty of pecadillos for you to complain about but what do they have to do with ACORN's behavior? Worried about Coulter's 3-year-old voting habits but not concerned with ACORN's laundry list of issues? Wait, I forgot. Coulter's guilty and ACORN isn't. Plus, Coulter's in line to get all those billions from taxpayers.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 4:06 pm PT...
Cam @ 37 asked:
Why am I trying to have a serious conversation with someone who calls Republicans "Pukes" and seems to believe the only reason people may have a problem with ACORN's actions is because they're enthralled with hurting poor blacks?
Because you have poor reading comprehension skills maybe?
BTW, I'm from St. Louis too. And here's the hometown hero who has done more to create the phony ACORN bullshit than anyone else in America. Go give him a visit and send him my regards! His name is Thor Hearne. You can start reading here: https://bradblog.com/ACVR
Hope your reading skills improve, however.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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Damail
said on 9/21/2009 @ 5:28 pm PT...
So you kept Common Cense's "liberal Jew" comment on the boards but then wiped out the other anti-semitic comment? Banning him was the right call, but why didn't you knock out both of his posts?
By the way, his banned comment would probably find a happy home on sites like Huffington Post and Op Ed News. You have noticed all the rampant anti-semitism within the left wing, haven't you?
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 5:38 pm PT...
Cam @ 44 asked:
Brad, why do you change the subject?
From what? This is a blog item linking to my article in which I explained what the real reason is for the targeting of ACORN, and how sad and pathetic it is that Democrats are willing to bend over to political terrorism from the right, even while allowing the same (actually far worse) behavior to go on with organizations that *haven't* be targeted by the hypocritical anti-American, anti-democracy (small "d") political terrorists on the right.
I changed the subject?!
I'm sure there are plenty of pecadillos for you to complain about but what do they have to do with ACORN's behavior?
Um, the death of potentially more than one hundred detainees in custody (a capitcal crime, btw), is a "pecadillo"? War crimes are a "pecadillo"? The deaths of thousands of Americans is a "pecadillo"? BILLIONS, if not trillions of federal tax payer dollars absconded with by American corporations who remain on the federal dole to this day is a "pecadillo"?
Is that what they teach you over at Fox, chief? They got some warped sense of American values and conservatism over there, I guess.
Worried about Coulter's 3-year-old voting habits but not concerned with ACORN's laundry list of issues?
Why worry about ACORN? They seem to have plenty of light being shed on them. But why aren't you worried about what I detailed above, which is of far greater consequence?
The reason is because you haven't been told to worry about those things, because they benefit Republicans (to your disadvantage, btw), while targeting ACORN will help Republicans *politically* to keep Americans from being able to cast their legal vote.
While you wingnuts accuse ACORN of "voter fraud" endlessly (which they never committed), Ann Coulter actually did, and you don't care. Neither do you care about the thousands of Americans disenfranchised by GOP firms that were actually *hired* by the GOP to disenfranchise voters, where the effort to do so came from the top, not from low level employees trying to keep their job and defrauding the company (ACORN) in the process, such that ACORN had to turn them all in (which you may or may not know, even now.)
Wait, I forgot. Coulter's guilty and ACORN isn't.
Actually, Coulter is guilty of voter fraud, yes. ACORN isn't. Sorry, but that's just the facts. Sorry you don't care for 'em, chief.
Whatever ACORN *is* guilty of, if anything, I hope they are caught and punished for it. Just as with everyone else I mentioned, and which you clearly don't give a shit about. Even as YOU are the one who is getting screwed by it all. But you remain so clueless, as a patsy, you don't even seem to realize it. Very sad.
Plus, Coulter's in line to get all those billions from taxpayers.
Nope. But Halliburton and Blackwater still are. And they have caused the deaths of U.S. troops. Sorry to see you don't give a damn about the troops. Or, apparently, your own county.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 5:56 pm PT...
Check this out: I think this guy on that site thinks Brad is a "limey":
· 20 hours ago
Quick question everyone: Why does Brad Friedman look like he's trying to hold a potato chip in between his butt-cheeks?
Seriously, this guy is a clown of the first order. British leftists sound an awful lot like American thumbsucking liberals.
Go back to England, Prog-Limey's. We have far too many of our homegrown lefty thumbsuckers to take in stray Marxist fleabrains from the Continent.
Reply
1 reply · active 10 hours ago
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 5:58 pm PT...
Yeah! Go back to England, Brad! Ya Limey Bastard!!!
"Freedom Chips" for everyone! Just make sure they haven't been between that Limey's butt cheeks!!!
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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Lora
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:01 pm PT...
Wow, Brad, you have your hands full here!
Thanks for the link and reminder of the accountability now site.
Gee, if only the visitors here had expressed this level of outrage and indignation, demanding a full-scale investigation of the Abu Ghraib scandal all the way up to the highest levels, especially since there is plenty of evidence suggesting the prisoner torture and abuse directives came from the top and NOT from JUST A FEW BAD APPLES....just think of the wonderful changes that might have occurred!
Just think...
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:04 pm PT...
Damail asked:
Banning him was the right call, but why didn't you knock out both of his posts?
Because his first post was illustrative of the mind set of so many of the rightwing anti-Americans out there. His second was just gratuitous.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:05 pm PT...
Big Dan -
Thought the geniuses at BigGov were amusing? Be sure to check out the comments over at Guardian, where I am, apparently, a communist Brit who knows nothing about ACORN or politics in America
http://www.guardian.co.u...e=4&commentposted=1
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:07 pm PT...
Is that site called "Big Government", in honor of the Bush administration? That was a good idea!
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:11 pm PT...
I see "failed actor" and "pervert".
So, Brad's a Limey, perverted failed actor!
I can see, after "goin' in" to a rightwing sites comments, you don't really get any stimulating conversation.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:13 pm PT...
Oh, this is too funny:
Otto · 4 hours ago
Oh, go curtsy to the queen, Friedman. Blokes like you know nothing of freedom and personal responsibility. You let your country take your arms away. Bow down and kiss the hand that enslaves and feeds you. American man don't need you around anyhow.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:13 pm PT...
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm dying here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/21/2009 @ 6:18 pm PT...
Here's a good rebuttle to Brad's article:
"Doesnt the author think is a little embarrasment to defend ACORN? ACORN sucks!"
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
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Damail
said on 9/21/2009 @ 7:19 pm PT...
"...illustrative of the mindset of so many of the right-wing anti-Americans out there..."
As opposed to the countless left-wing anti-American Jew haters out there.
"Actually, Coulter is guilty of voter fraud, yes...."
No. For the umpteenth time, son, they never even filed charges. I don't see you wearing judicial robes in any of your photos.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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Cam
said on 9/21/2009 @ 8:24 pm PT...
"I explained what the real reason is for the targeting of ACORN"
By real reason you mean your opinion.
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"War crimes are a "pecadillo"? The deaths of thousands of Americans is a "pecadillo"?"
If you're so sure these things occurred, you ought to take your evidence to the authorities.
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"The reason is because you haven't been told to worry about those things, because they benefit Republicans"
Good grief, are you condescending. Not that you care, but I'm not a member of any party and if the one you hate so much happens to break the law, it should be punished accordingly.
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"While you wingnuts accuse ACORN of "voter fraud" endlessly (which they never committed)..
Actually, Coulter is guilty of voter fraud, yes. ACORN isn't."
Well of course. Could you direct me to the findings of her guilt? I'll wait.
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"But you remain so clueless, as a patsy, you don't even seem to realize it."
Does it make you feel better to use personal attacks against those who disagree with you? To pretend that those same people are either stupid, corrupt, or evil?
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
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camusrebel
said on 9/21/2009 @ 8:40 pm PT...
Da mail is in da check....hey buddy, a little tip.
Not sure where you and all your Einstein friends came crawling here from but let me set you straight. This site is not all caught up in your little left/right fantasy land. The noise machine you are plugged into has scrambled what few eggs are left in your skull.
Obama and Bush are both puppets to the same masters. When fox pulls your string and you scream, "Acorn, Acorn, Acorn" or "Commie, married gay couple illeagal alien death panels from Kenya" or whatever inane shit they got you braindead automatons parroting this week....it does not really help you and the little missus Damail, or your kids or grandkids. Not one bit. In fact it harms all of their future when we let creeping police state fascism divide and distract us.
When Brad brings up Adam's apple Coulter or Halibuton or Blackwater, its just an attempt to make you stop, for one second, and THINK.
"Am I really this pissed off at Acorn because they really threaten the future happiness of my family" or because I have been told to be.
Unless you are a Rothchild or Rockefeller we all should be on the same team.
Did it bother you at all when Spiderwoman Harris had 90,000 eligible voters illegally scrubbed from the fla. roles in 2000? Even just a little?
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
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camusrebel
said on 9/21/2009 @ 8:49 pm PT...
"To pretend that those same people are stupid, corrupt or evil"
When you blindly do the bidding of bloodsucking death merchants like the Health Insurance industries....even when you and your family have no, or shitty health care....thats not pretend....that is straight up stupid.
To so clearly holler and yell things that are cleary diametrically oppose to your own best interests just because Limbaugh or Hannity or whatever Pavlov is blowing your dog whistle is probably a lot worse than stupid, future generations will no doubt curse you for your slavish devotion to your masters, but stupid will work too.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:01 pm PT...
Damail in denial @ 58 said:
"Actually, Coulter is guilty of voter fraud, yes...."
No. For the umpteenth time, son, they never even filed charges. I don't see you wearing judicial robes in any of your photos.
Wow. Glad to hear that OJ didn't kill Nicole. And even better yet that Hitler didn't kill any Jews! Who knew?
You are right, in that Coulter was never tried in a court of law (thanks to her insider government pals). You are wrong in that she's not guilty of voter fraud. She is. There is no question about it. The documentation is all there from start to finish, much of it in her own hand.
Because she wasn't charged, doesn't mean she wasn't guilty. Son.
She was. If you bothered to examine the evidence, instead of continuing to apologize for law breakers because they happen to be heros for your disgraced party, you'd admit that as well. But you won't. Because party comes before country, rule of law, and everything else for folks like you apparently.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/21/2009 @ 11:08 pm PT...
Cam @ 59 said:
"I explained what the real reason is for the targeting of ACORN"
By real reason you mean your opinion.
No, I mean by the preponderance of the available evidence, much of which that I've presented here for nearly 6 years, and none of which you have apparently bothered to examine.
"War crimes are a "pecadillo"? The deaths of thousands of Americans is a "pecadillo"?"
If you're so sure these things occurred, you ought to take your evidence to the authorities.
Have done so. Thanks. It's being investigated by them. You will deny the veracity of the investigation, and call it partisan, if crimes are determined to have occurred (as they already have).
You guys are incredible. (Psst. The Rule of Law used to be a conservative value. Guess ya'll were just kidding.)
Not that you care, but I'm not a member of any party and if the one you hate so much happens to break the law, it should be punished accordingly.
Yup. However, when the party in power has rigged the system who does the punishing, that gets kinda tough. But I'm sure you're calling to see that corrected as well, right? Sigh...
"While you wingnuts accuse ACORN of "voter fraud" endlessly (which they never committed)..
Well of course. Could you direct me to the findings of her guilt? I'll wait.
You don't need to. You can go see the evidence for yourself right here: https://BradBlog.com/CoulterFraud. Unless you wish to join your friend-in-denial Damail, and tell us that Hitler didn't kill anybody, because he wasn't found guilty of having done so.
"But you remain so clueless, as a patsy, you don't even seem to realize it."
Does it make you feel better to use personal attacks against those who disagree with you?
I don't believe that was a personal attack.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
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Anne
said on 9/22/2009 @ 2:42 am PT...
Brad,
I'm sorry, but I think you're missing the forest for the trees on this one. Whatever you may think about the motives of ACORN's detractors, your article hasn't even bothered to address the substance of the allegations against ACORN in this case.
You portray the entire situation as nothing more than "low-level employees" advising a prostitute on how to avoid taxes. However, a more accurate assessment would be that 5 separate ACORN offices around the country implicated themselves to some extent in sex slavery and the trafficking of child prostitutes from foreign countries. Based on the full interview transcripts, I think that's a fair assessment.
Overall, I think you're overlooking exactly how dirty an organization ACORN is. You criticize people for focusing on ACORN instead of Blackwater, but you haven't bothered to address the correlations between Blackwater and ACORN. If you recall, one of the most frequent allegations against Blackwater/DynCorp/et al is that they traffick in child prostitutes from foreign countries. Here we have ACORN at least implicated in that very same activity.
On top of that, ACORN is deeply tied in with HUD, which is essentially nothing more than an MIC slush fund. ACORN is even structured like a criminal enterprise. It has so many different front groups that it's virtually impossible to track which group is doing and/or spending what.
I guess my point is, don't underestimate the reach of the MIC, and don't be so quick to defend any group that's as close to the MIC as ACORN is. If you don't know about the relationship between HUD, the MIC, and the black budget, this would be a good place to start:
http://www.dunwalke.com/gideon/q301.pdf
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
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Dan-in-PA
said on 9/22/2009 @ 5:39 am PT...
Anne,
ACORN is not trafficking in sex slaves. O'Keefe and his sidekick obtained advise from ACORN employees on how to hide a proposed sex slave business.
ACORN is NOT participating in child porn, O'Keefe and his sidekick obtained advice from ACORN employees on how to hide their income from illegal activities.
Inappropriate Advice from a neighborhood advocacy office (Which is what ACORN did) is vastly different from actually importing underage children for sex slavery. (Which is what Blackwater AND Halliburton have done.)
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 9/22/2009 @ 6:07 am PT...
How come no one's talking about the ethics of dressing up like a pimp and a prostitute and secretly taping it, in the first place?
Also, they were thrown out of and reported to the police, by some ACORN places. Yet, O'Keefe and the gang lied on TV and said they were NOT thrown out of ANY ACORN offices.
That is called LYING.
If O'Keefe was honest, they would've shown the offices they got thrown out of, too, and said "Some offices threw us out, so it's NOT a coordinated effort policy by the entire organization."
I have one more thing to say about ACORN, pertaining to the right and the GOP who are trying to take them down: you are NOT going to take them down. There is ZERO percent chance you'll take down a grassroots group of half a million people that are helping low income Americans.
ZERO!!!!!!
Ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
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Badteeth
said on 9/22/2009 @ 7:45 am PT...
Don't you guys have enough going on over there to keep you busy. When this great county broke away from Mother England we didn't care about what you were doing.Why we went back to save your hides in WWII is beyond me.You'd be writing this article in German if it wasn't for us.I'm sure you have your own version of Acorn over there. It's just going to take a fake pimp and his fake prostitute(not real so called journalists) to break the real story. Humph
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 9/22/2009 @ 8:46 am PT...
Now it's just getting silly. Good Satire.
The MIC con-trolls ACORN? OMG LMAO.
Badteeth...lol!
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
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Damail
said on 9/22/2009 @ 12:24 pm PT...
"(Anne Coulter) is guilty...no question about it...she is...blah blah blah..."
It's a close race as to what is bigger - the glaring example of just how wrong you are, or the delusions of your own grandeur.
"...thanks to her insider governmenr pals..."
In case nobody has informed you recently, George W. Bush is no longer in office! Seriously, bub, you don't think the Obama Administration wouldn't be salivating at the chance to take down Ann Coulter with a conviction of something like voter fraud?
"...unless you want to join your friend-in-denial Damail, and tell us that Hitler didn't kill anybody..."
Now you really pulled something out of your nether regions with that line.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
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Damail
said on 9/22/2009 @ 7:41 pm PT...
One other note:
"They were thrown out of and reported to police...O'Keefe and the gang lied on TV..."
Let's get this straight. At this point, you don't know who is lying. Somebody from ACORN said they threw them out, and O'Keefe says they were never thrown out. You have he said/she said. So don't assume anything.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/22/2009 @ 11:56 pm PT...
Anne @ 64 said:
a more accurate assessment would be that 5 separate ACORN offices around the country implicated themselves to some extent in sex slavery and the trafficking of child prostitutes from foreign countries.
Dan-in-PA already spoke to this (thank you D-i-P, I was kind busy with a story that actually matters today!), but your comment was so absurd, I thought I'd ring in to suggest you find another news source other than the wingnuts you're currently "trafficking" in, since you actually sound like a sincere person. Sincere, but AMAZINGLY disinformed.
you haven't bothered to address the correlations between Blackwater and ACORN. If you recall, one of the most frequent allegations against Blackwater/DynCorp/et al is that they traffick in child prostitutes from foreign countries. Here we have ACORN at least implicated in that very same activity.
No. We don't. No matter how Beck/Hannity/Drudge/Breitbart/Limbaugh spin it to ya. Sorry. Really hope you'll expand your sources of news. You'll be doing your country a great favor.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/23/2009 @ 12:02 am PT...
Damail @ 69 clulessly said:
"...thanks to her insider governmenr pals..."
In case nobody has informed you recently, George W. Bush is no longer in office! Seriously, bub, you don't think the Obama Administration wouldn't be salivating at the chance to take down Ann Coulter with a conviction of something like voter fraud?
See, here's how it works Damail, the FL voter fraud (about which there is absolutely no denial) was a state matter, during which her former boyfriend at the FBI inappropriately interceded. Then, the clock ran out as the FL GOPers of the State Election Commission decided it was past statute of limitations since it took so long to get to them at all.
The case was closed in FL long before Obama took office.
As to the CT allegations, which we still await a decision on from the CT Election Commission (no, I can't tell you whether she broke the law there or not, only that an official complaint was lodged, and it doesn't look good for her, unlike in FL, where there is no question that she committed 3rd degree felony voter registration fraud and 1st degree misdemeanor voter fraud).
But that is also currently a state matter. The Obama administration has nothing to do with the complaint. Does that help ya with a clue, amigo?
"...unless you want to join your friend-in-denial Damail, and tell us that Hitler didn't kill anybody..."
Now you really pulled something out of your nether regions with that line.
Huh? It was your argument. Coulter wasn't found guilty in a court of law, saw she didn't commit voter fraud. Hitler wasn't found guilty of murder in a court of law, to my knowledge, so he didn't commit murder.
Perhaps you oughta think *before* shooting off your pathetic apologies for criminals like Coulter. Or at least go inform yourself of the *facts*. Just a suggestion.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 9/23/2009 @ 6:53 pm PT...
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
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Damail
said on 9/23/2009 @ 7:59 pm PT...
Friedman ridiculously said:
"...where there is no question that she committed..." - "...criminals like Coulter..."
You need to be reminded again that you...don't...have...a...judge's...robe.
You see, we trust law enforcement officials to uphold the law a lot more than we trust some yahoo with a website who only gets his "news stories" printed in disgusting booby magazines. Mainstream media didn't even bother with this story. I don't even think Keith Olbermann touched this.
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
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Bandwidth Issues
said on 9/28/2009 @ 2:45 am PT...
[ed note: Comment from banned commenter deleted. --99]