Thank you, Brad, for getting the word out about this! I marched for immigrant rights in another city today and all was peaceful. (I'd upload a few photos if I could figure out how.)

The cowards at the l.a.p.d. will never learn. Forget Fox, En Contexto had a far better broadcast. Nothing's on their site yet but it's worth a look tomorrow: http://www.telemundo52.com/encontexto/index.html
Anyway, the whole thing was reported by the protesters. No need to depend on the Zionist media. But it is funny listsning beg for (free) videos, though. The real thing is all over the net. In fact, even the bumpkins beat the Voz de Zion broadcasts (and the bumpkins arent the brightest): http://saveourstate.org/...s/showthread.php?t=24924
http://saveourstate.org/...s/showthread.php?t=24946

When will it dawn on the lapd that everyone has cameras? Unknown projectiles, that's hilarious.

You got blood on your face, you big disgrace, somebody's gonna put you back into your place.

Paz Hermanos

AZTLAN!

Good Shot!

Good luck getting an *Independent* police investigation, I hope the cops got to pay for any of those cameras if they got broken. They're not cheap cameras.

Why the fuck would they attack the god damned media? If someone is throwing a rocks, bottles, and batteries at you, you don't need to shoot rubber bullets at the fucking Telemundo guy with a $20k camera! You need to GRAB the guy that threw the bottle and get him in those zip strip handcuffs.

And someone (NON POLICE) needs to have oversight in the EVIDENCE / PROPERTY room, so that the COPS do not destroy MiniDV's, Sandisk Chips, or dump memory chips.

Like that's fucking going to happen..

Immigration aside,
it sure looks like a Police State to me.

It's officially DANGEROUS to assemble.

That sure makes you want to go to the next RNC 2008 convention eh? Well, maybe with a bullet proof vest, a gas mask, and a mobile faraday cage.

YEP, 100% POLICE STATE.

That's what these fucking electronic voting machines have allowed to happen.

heres the thing.... nobody is going to care. illegal immigrants marching on mayday demanding that we allow them to break the law. I am as against the police state as anyone, but I am also against illegal immigration.

These mayday events are being used as displays of FORCE if you have not been paying attention. Its not going to be allowed.

This should not be allowed either!
http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/index.html

Meanwhile, far away in another part of town
Rubin Carter and a couple of friends are drivin' around.
Number one contender for the middleweight crown
Had no idea what kinda shit was about to go down
When a cop pulled him over to the side of the road
Just like the time before and the time before that.
In Paterson that's just the way things go.
If you're black you might as well not show up on the street
'Less you wanna draw the heat.

(Hurricane, Bob Dylan, emphasis added). The LAPD was held to be a "criminal enterprise" by a Federal Judge in California a few years back.

They framed innocent folk, and sometimes shot innocent people, and then planted guns on them and sent them to prison. Nice Americans aren't they.

When I lived there I used to say, "It is not far to America from here".

To #5:

How do you tell a legal alien from an illegal alien? How do you divert tear gas in a way that it only hits the illegal aliens, not the legals? How do you avoid frightening American citizens of latino decent in the crowd when you start banging you baton on your riot gear shield? And - by the way - how can you call anybody "illegal" if you haven't done anything over decades to stop them from entering your country?

Out of control police, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support indy media.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

This will only serve as a provocation, and a unifying event for the protestors. No arrests? How big around are these rubber bullets?
A police state that allows illegals a march? Think about why.

Good! Keep shooting until "They" ALL go home to Mexico !!!!!!!!!

...and the Kent St. tape was just released, where a guard gave the command to shoot (beyond a doubt)...took only 37 years to release the tape!

Let's play devil's advocate: the very first thing the lady says on the "raw" footage is a bunch of guys were "provoking the police" before they move in. But the reports you quote gloss over that.

Then, our intrepid reporter and her cameraman keep showing up in front of the advancing police line, yet is shocked that they are being pushed away. She also lies, straightfaced, when she says she was "only" trying to get to her truck (they were filming).

This event is blocks away but reports all refer to the "crowd" as if it were one, uniform body and police were shooting into the mass. Not true.

{Ed Note: I realize this is a hot-button issue, and it's necessary to allow as much dialog on the issue, even when it reveals rank racism, in the bargain. Perhaps especially when it reveals rank racism. That said, out and out racist attacks on others will not be tolerated here inasmuch as I can babysit the comments section to moderate them. Advocating violence and the murder of others will certainly not be tolerated, from anybody here. This comment has therefore been deleted. Many others are walking a fine line. I'd encourage civility from such commenters lest your posting privileges be removed entirely, which I don't like doing, even to those with whom I disagree. Thank you. --- BF}

{Ed Note: I realize this is a hot-button issue, and it's necessary to allow as much dialog on the issue, even when it reveals rank racism, in the bargain. Perhaps especially when it reveals rank racism. That said, out and out racist attacks on others will not be tolerated here inasmuch as I can babysit the comments section to moderate them. Advocating violence and the murder of others will certainly not be tolerated, from anybody here. This comment has therefore been deleted. Many others are walking a fine line. I'd encourage civility from such commenters lest your posting privileges be removed entirely, which I don't like doing, even to those with whom I disagree. Thank you. --- BF}

"load up, load up, load up the rubber bullets..."

the images of police roughing up immigrants must have consternos absolutely drooling and tumescent... they live for this kind of stuff...

There should be another huge rally next week, and another, and another...let the stormtroopers come. Get angry about it. Fuck immigration...protest the wars and the 9/11 hoax, and all of the other cultural lies. Demand that the mechanizations of government move in synch with the will of the people. Let them shoot you with real bullets if they want...just keep going out there in large numbers.

Like Iraq...the greater population will be outraged at any direct and injurious oppression and thereby encouraged to participate in the next confrontation.

So, maybe Troy Norris has you shot. You died for a good cause.

What I want to know is WHY our law enforcement officials allow CRIMINAL ILLEGAL aliens to protest anyway. Maybe all the tax cheats, dope pushers, burglers, bank robbers, and murderers should form their own union and protest that they're being arrested, mistreated, and should be allowed to continue their crimes. America has coddled these CRIMINALS for far too long! You dont want to be shot, obey the law! The police should have used full metal jacket +P ammo. If the government wont prosecute the illegals, why should they prosecute anyone else? We are tired of being looked down on in our own country. Europeans built this country from the blood, sweat, and tears of African slaves, not mexican peons. Face it mexico you lost the mex-American war and the spoils of war included a large part of your country and you have no claim to anything here. America does not owe you SHIT! You will NEVER get atzlan!! Quit complaining and go back to picking Tomato's, or go back to where you come from. FUCK atzlan, fuck mexico, fuck illegal aliens! VIVA L.A. L.E.O.'s!

They should have rounded up all the ILLEGAL LAWBREAKERS in the crowd! ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!! If you want to come to the USA, Get in line - LEARN ENGLISH and stop demanding anything that you have NO rights to! Enough is enough! They deported hundreds of thousands in the 50's and we need to do it again. Shoot to kill at the border should be the norm - THIS IS AN INVASION!!!

This is the same tactic Bratton used in the 1996 riots
in Tompkins Square park with the squatters on the lower
east side of manhattan. They had an 'instigator' who was working for the popo throw a bottle at some riot geared
cops who then went apeshit on the whole populance.
I was at the bandshell watching a friends band play
when it all broke out.
I saw cops beating innocent people all over the place.
Cops who where wearing masking tape over their badge
ID's.
Rule of them : if you're ever at a public demonstration
and you see cops in riot gear lining up get the hell
out of there. They ARE going to test out their training
and any new crowd control technology they have on you.
Cops have a license to kill.

where is the mayor of Los Angeles on this?

#8 I agree with you totally. By doing nothing, the United States has rendered their immigration laws useless, like so many old laws that are on the books but are ignored.

Regarding how to tell if a person of Hispanic descent is legal or illegal - police and civilians don't care. They're allowed to discriminate and make ugly, hateful comments if the person is Hispanic.

What comes around goes around, here or in the next life. Those who judge now should be wary later.

I'm curious as to what those "peaceful" foreign protestors (mentioned in the video) did to provoke the police, didn't catch that footage.

The key here is to figure out whether the people provoking the police were genuine troublemakers, or rather planted provocateurs. Does anyone have any video of those people?

Did you see the Fox News report? Boo-hoo! "The police state master Rupert has worked so hard to promote is now targeting us!" No sympathy here for the Fox crew.

I see they like to hit women even thoe its fuks news but even thoe a man beating on a women nice . You just watch the law suits fly now .

Hey Illegals...and their braindead supporters....you dont like the US enforcing the laws?? Go back to that sh*thole called mexico and rally there to overthrown the elite slave masters that oppress ur people there and change the mexican govt instead of trying to convert US to your sh*thole standards!!!

from the LA Times

The violence began unfolding when a helicopter flew low over the east side of the park and sirens blasted as police ordered people out of the park, telling them they would be arrested if they didn't leave....About 6:45 p.m., police ordered the last people out of MacArthur Park, mostly news personnel and some marchers filming the police actions, declaring an "unlawful assembly."...One of those at the scene, Hamid Khan, who works at South Asia Network, termed the police action "absolutely an atrocity" and said officers overreacted. The police action had cut short several speeches, he said, as people left when the confrontation began. "All this shooting is an atrocity," he said....

Another confrontation came about 6:50 p.m., still well before nightfall, when a police car with lights blazing was bombarded by bottles and clothes as it passed. A line of officers fired several volleys of the foam bullets from wide-barreled launchers resembling shotguns....People started running while throwing things, including plastic bottles and palm fronds, at Metro buses. One hit a bus with a piece of wood...More police cars streamed north on Rampart Boulevard and west on 6th Street. In Lafayette Park, several police jumped out with batons and tackled crowd members, arresting someone in the big pile. They chased reporters away. (Police Chief Bratton) said police responded after "certain elements of the crowd began to create a series of disturbances." During that activity, Bratton said, "Missiles were being thrown at the officers, and officers [were] responding."

sounds to me like there was violence from some "protesters" but that the police may have gotten a little overly aggressive. At least it gave the illegals what they wanted though, a bona fide, real life, documented incident of abuse by the agents of the government. Clever, clever illegals...

While I STRONGLY disagree with illegal immigration and am angered at many levels by these protests, you cannot discern a legal citizen from an illegal one just by looks alone. The Police State is in full effect and the ones getting shot might of very well been American citizens.

A lot of the people attending these "May Day" marches ARE legal citizens and while I see them as complete, unwitting subversives for the Globalists, their COMPLETE IDIOCY doesn't deserve cheering for them to be shot at.

I must say though, this is mild compared to the treatment that we as Americans would get in Mexico if we decided to barge in and demanded rights under their constitution. Not that it makes it right, but in comparison rubber bullets, though very dangerous, is getting off pretty easy.

In the end it's all chaos and confusion anyways, the Globalists and the Corporations know exactly what they're doing.Illegal immigrants and their supporters are indeed some of the most backward, arrogant, aggravating, flaunting, entitlement insisting people I've ever had the misfortune of knowing, I still can't applaud for their injury.

But I do wish that could all get a huge pie in the face , now THAT would be fun.

Who says neoCon trolls don't post here. You can always tell a neoCon, but you can't tell them very much.

I was there at the event yesterday with a colleague conducting audio interviews for a local radio station. What we witnessed was horrendous in the way the LAPD treated the peaceful demonstrators.

It began on one end of the park as people were peacefully marching. Without warning the police arrive in their riot gear with batons and rubber bullet guns, jump out and demand everyone get on the sidewalks. Those that did not move from the street (believing that they had a right to peaceful protest) were approached by motorcycle cops who began to rev their engines and drive forward into the crowd, acting like they would run the demonstrators over. This included families and children.

People who were on the sidewalks were commanded to get in the park, but refused, stating they would be watching to see if the cops try to attack anyone so they stayed to serve as witnesses. I was told later by kids that someone was ran over by the motorcycle, some were hit. Later in the day, I was told about and shown rubber bullet wounds from close range shooting on the video camera of observers.

Soon, on the other side of the park there began more police harassment and everyone ran over to see. Throughout the stand offs- you would hear rubber bullets popping. I saw a couple kids throw plastic bottles toward the mobs of police who were harassing the protesters. Soon I went to the center of the park where peaceful protesters were enjoying the rallying the entertainment of the live band, and skits. However, before long, masses of people began RUNNING frantically from the street into the park. Turns out they were sprayed with teargas and were being chased.

Once people were IN the park, the police began to methodically infiltrate the park, as if they were conducting a militaristic public ICE raid. A helicopter announced everyone must leave. The police then went on their rampage, which you saw on the news. Once the park was cleared, police continued into the streets, intimidating people to flee into the streets local neighborhood. I, and many others could not get to our cars due to the way the police were flushing us out. Later, there were announcements that anyone caught in the area of Alvarado would “be arrested.” The whole park was surrounded, traffic was backed up and streets blockaded by police.

Was any of that necessary? What happened to our First Amendment Rights? “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.

Yeah, Tatiana, everybody wants to get shot at, don't you?

It's pathetic that illegal aliens can mobilize more folks than Americans to protest policy. . .

AGAIN. PUT THE IMMIGRATION QUESTIONS ASIDE.

If immigration is fucked up for you then your leaders have failed you. I didn't vote for nafta and gat, welcome to the reality that your now living in Can-Mex-America. And world wide more than that that I can't personally even keep track of.

ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO BE IN CHARGE!!!

You know it's a really good thing that they didn't shoot me with a fucking rubber bullet. Because, I would lay my life out to fight back with lethal force. And I would be within my sworn oath (I am a USAF veteran) to protect the constitution.

And they disregarded freedom of the press.

And those Telemundo fuckers got PRESS PASS'S. What about someone like me? Huh? I got a card that says I am a member of Public Access. Is that MY PRESS PASS? Am I just a piece of shit fucker too?

You got police now, that are way over armed for the public.

I don't disagree that if someone is throwing rocks, and bottles, they broke the law. They should fucking be locked up. There are laws for that already.

But this is a pattern. (As I CLEARLY SHOW ABOVE)

POLICE STATE! 100%

And AGAIN, I see the CMSM plays this down. By not covering it thoroughly. They in effect BLACKOUT the TRUTH.

I don't want to be shot with 150 rounds by mad fucking police, but I swear to fucking my gods gods if they would have shot me I would have found a way to fight back lethally. And that would be the end of me.

People, this shit needs to stop. Ignore the RACIST fucking cyber-warfare crew. (GOOD FOR BRAD FOR LEAVING THEIR COMMENTS UP!)

If they want this immigration problem to be fixed they will get rid of electronic voting machines and vote in an honest election for honest people. And then have them represent you.

I have no representation, because I HAVE NO FUCKING VOTE! because the vote is invisible when it is electronic. It can't be validated, therefore it does NOT EXIST!

FUCK EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T GET IT!

The only thing left now is... well nothing.

Geesh, I never knew there were so many bigots among BradBlog regulars! I'll have to reevaluate many of you.

{And while yer reevaluating, consider that calling people "bigots" is an obnoxious "liberal" trick that is nonetheless name calling. --99}

ONYX I had no idea either, now is probably a good time to talk about it. I am trying to calm down. Thank god I wasn't actually there.

Mexicans laborers were deported en masse at the beginning of the Great Depression and they will be deported again as the economy crashes. The L.A. crowd control action is just a warm up for what is coming. If the illegal aliens don't like the tactics of the L.A. police, they can always return to Mexico for better treatment.

The police can look forward to more of this as the illegals are becoming more organized. The cops can thank their Federal Government for destroying the border and opening it up to an invasion from Mexico.

This is not about {Ed note: inflammatory wording for "immigrants" deleted --99} looking for work it's about the sovereignty of the United States as we watch it being destroyed by illegals with criminal records, low to no education, diseases previously thought eliminated in the U.S., poverty and destruction of the jobs and wage base in the United States.

THIS NEEDS TO COME TO BLOWS!!! and the criminal regime in Washington D.C. being overthrown and replaced with a government that responds to American citizens.

{Ed note: more inflammatory wording deleted. Cut it the hell out. --99}

Am I fucking brain dead?

Maybe I am. Maybe I fight the fight that can not be won.

Paco here. Go back to europe stupid! get on your boat and get the HELL out of here.

we've been here for 12000 years +. stupid! WE ARE HOME!

AZTLAN!!!

{Ed Note: Okay, Vox P was asking for this, but please cool out now. --99}

Hey [VC], the statements you are making are the reason why many people are so pissed at you. I don't have anything against Mexicans. I grew up in San Antonio on the south side. Me and my brother were the only white boys in the barrio. We were all friends there.

You say get the hell out of here. Wow, sounds like you want a fight or something. Don't you know that the globalist want us to fight each other? They want a race war. We will both lose since we will all become weaker.

Why do you want an ATZLAN? That means the U.S. will become Mexico. Don't you know the govt. in Mexico is even more corrupt than the one here already?

American's are pissed because they have to pay so much for hospitals, schools, and welfare. It is our own govt. fault we have to pay for this. I can't find a job right now in construction because all the illegals have the jobs. Americans are going broke. We will all be just like in Mexico in a few years. Poor. Broke. Thank our govt. for all of this. They want us to fight. There must be another way.

*****EVERYONE: CUT IT WITH THE NAME-CALLING... ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GREAT "RACIST" BRAIN CANCELLATION DEVICE, OR I'M CLOSING THE COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD UNTIL SOMEONE WITH THE STOMACH FOR IT COMES AROUND TO DEAL WITH IT FOR ME.*****

{Ed Note: Racist, anti-semetic comments deleted, will not be tolerated here. Please knock it off. Thanks. --- BF}

Okay. Brad seems to be on the case here, and playing it by ear. So I'll leave you to it.

Seems to me Obrador would be president of Mexico right now if more Mexicans stayed, or went back, to make it so. Seems to me that Mexicans know, have learned, how to fight for social justice, and it would have been a huge help in Oaxaca lately if some of the millions here would have been there instead.

Seems to me many citizens of the United States are too scared to fight the real causes of our own social injustice and try to take it out on the "aliens" instead.

Seems to me this post was about un-American police action, fascism, and I am wholeheartedly against that. It doesn't look to me as though a velvet revolution is going to even slow it at all. (Obviously doesn't look that way to the AZTLAN!ers either and seems they see advantage in pressing it when our country is this weak.)

Just lovely. Maybe everyone could just try to remember that oppression of the people is AIDED when the people are fighting each other. So maybe we could aim our hostilities more productively?

Over and out.

I love it. That was hystercial. How funny. Nothing is more enjoying to me than to see protesters beat down by the cops.

I bet next year the 'wetbacks' think twice about marching/protesting.

lol...

Do all folks that consider themselves progressive have to walk in lockstep on every issue . . .

Divide and conquer. It works. You see it in action right before your eyes. Now, as to what end???

Looks more and more like a police riot. Yesterday I could swear we live in tiananmen square . Whats next roll out the tanks and army against the people . Looks like freedom of the press just went out the window .

Why do libturds hate the police and our military?

This is why I love to see the police just beat down liberal protesters. Remember the GOP convention in NYC ... when the libturds got arrested and beat up.

lmao....

lol...

If I was a Cop I would be the shit out of every liberal I arrested. This is what liberals deserve for hating our police and military.

Nothing would be more satisfying that smacking down a liberal with a billy-club.

Then when I took them to jail, I would put them in a cell with the biggest baddest dude.

Illegal immigrants marching in broad daylight regardless of how peaceful it was, were openly flouting U.S laws. You are illegals. Do you expect to be welcomed into this country because you are illegal immigrants? Do illegal immigrants have the right to rally? Of course not. It was not only stupid, but shows that you are arrogant, and think that you should have the right to be in the U.S illegally.

ATZLAN?

You have a country, your own country. It's called Mexico. If you failed to make Mexico a decent country to live, why do you think that reconquering your sacred ATZLAN will be of any use to you? California is not great because of Mexicans. It is great because of Americans, Americans of all races, nonetheless, Americans.

Divide and conquer has been practiced in this nation for far too long Goldman, just as our govt is trying desperately to bring about a one world gov. They can't have a strong America and a one world government.

This gov wants open borders with South America, just as with Canada.

America does not have enough resources to care for all Americans even in a small disaster like Katrina. What will happen when mother nature really unleashes her fury?

Bush and congress sold out all Americans, when the pharmacuetical industry gave him 17 million to get elected and he and congress let the pharmacuetical co's write their own laws.

They want these riots Goldman, because then marshal law can be brought to bear and if not from immigration, then by the war that never ends--The war on terror.

Bush and co. are selling off Americas infrastructure and once done, our laws won't apply to the buyer, just as no one can make the pharma co.s do what's right for all Americans.

All Americans paid for all the infrastructure and development of all drugs and our gov just gave it away. Well, congress must have been paid well to cheat all Americans out of what we paid for.

{# 50}

Why don't you go to Iraq and clean house (or enjoy another tour)
instead wasting time around here, you sound like a real "hero"

If they are illegals, then they have no Constitutional Right to protest or seek grievances anyways! The Constitution only applies to US CITIZENS, NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS! They should of shoot real bullets and round up the illegals to make a point that this currently unarmed invasion and colonization of the mythical land of "Atzlan", otherwise known as the United States of America, will not be tolerated.

If you were a cop I would break your neck before you tried any of your neocon bullshit. You guys sound so tuff behind a monitor and key board . Why do you neocons always have to use guns I will tell you why cause you are chicken shits. Not one of you can go toe to toe you have as much man hood as a squirrel . If you sheep humpers didnt realize in the last elections your days are numbered .

If voting worked we would vote for solutions to our problems. At present, we do not have representative government. What we have are senators and congressmen who behave as a layer of management for the owners of the system.

This situation is worldwide. We in America still have the education and resources to realize this. That makes us an enemy of this system. That is why we are being assaulted by the system on so many levels. This is to wear us down and defeat us.

#'s 3, 11, 27, 45, 50
Please sign up my brother needs some help Army...Navy...Marines...Air Force

Let me know how that violence treats ya.

LAPD will have public support for this action as ~65% of US citizens favor deportation over amnesty or expedited citizenship for illegals. (assuming claims of 18% and 85% favoring deportation are exaggerated).

Giving police a pass on this one is almost a necessity for US citizens: failure to applaud this use of force against a virtual invasion of Mexican nationals could be considered treason, let alone unpatriotic. And let's not kid ourselves.. this protesting group is arguably formed by a vast majority of folks that should have been staved off at the national/state border and/or prohibited from getting state id... The majority of [even Mexican] LEGAL immigrants are as self-serving as other human beings, and would not march without pressure or coersion from 3+ friends/relatives. When immigrants go through the trouble of extensive waiting, learning English verbal/written, learn the laws/history/govt, passing exam; they don't exactly enjoy seeing somebody else just waltz in and act like they are identical.

BUT - this action will serve nicely as a conditioning device for the police and the citizenry to see this as normal and accepted practice.

SO - be prepared to resist allowing the police free reign to take such action against LEGAL protestors (US citizens)...

A not so subconscious adherance to Manifest Destiny has mutatated into a nationalist hypocracy that has expressed itself in Los Angeles as a warning to any American citizen (especially those of any immigrant descent) to not demonstrate support or be fearful of consequences.
Its a moot point how many illegal versus American citizens were present at the rally. It is nonetheless humbling to noncitizens and Americans; to witness the level of disregard by our own Los Angeles police force. This police action appears to be largely unprovoked, with unsuspecting victims, and questionable sufficiency of giving notice or appropriate time for protestors (Among them AMERICAN CITIZENS) or organizers to peacefully end this march. It's a sad day.

Only in america, what other country would allow guest workers to protest their right to be in their host nation? And then instead of kicking them out for national security reasons acutally debate whether they should be fast tracked to citizenship? Their not even guest workers they are illegal aliens. No doubt, they don't have anything to lose since their own nation can not support them, but there is no contract with them. They decided to ignore standard international law of borders and US Federal law by entering the US without permission. Fine, every man and woman should be able to feed him/herself and their family when no other options are available but why thumb your nose at the police? Why upset the apple cart? Most major cities are santuary cities, they don't go after illegals.

the cops have a tough enough job with the violent idiots in our society..the crowd couldn't control its own members, then its the job of the police to do so.

i applaud them..and wish them well, and am glad they are on the job protecting us from the monsters like the ones in the streets and the whiners about their job on this board..

U.S. Citizen (#54) -

Read your Constitution. It does not apply only to citizens. In fact, it's more of a federal "contract" with the states than anything else. Nothing in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, concerning the rights of people in America, specifies that it applies only to U.S. Citizens.

Just FYI.

Obrador would be president of Mexico today if our CIA hadn't gone to Mexico and "fixed" their voting machines. Obrador wanted good wages , jobs and benefits for his people. Don't you think Mexicans would rather stay home and work? Let's forget the racism a second and think ...who benefits from low wages? Clue, not US.Upthread, thanks for the "Hurricane" reminder.Few people working for justice against racist judicial system.

i was there. the incident was started by undercover mechistas of the brown berets terrorist group. they assaulted the police in hopes of provoking a police crackdown for peopaganda purposes. it is believed that these agents provacateurs were being directed by a high level MeCHA terrorist in mayor villaraigosa. it is well known that villaraigosa's primary loyalties lie with mexico, and he was a terrorist in college and is a proud card carrying member of the subversive mecha. but you will never hear that in the mainstream press because they are too concerned with kissing these disease ridden vermins' asses.

If they had protested in Mexico they would have been shot with real bullets.

Deal with it or go home!

Freddy, they (and you really don't know who is or isn't a citizen, in that situation) were not in Mexico, they were within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Apparently, you have never sworn an oath? (speculation) Those LEO that have sworn oaths, and who are not corrupt *WILL* deal with it.

And those LEO who have broken the Constitution *WILL* be held responsible.

I am at home. Are you accusing me (a veteran of the USAF) of being not at home?

I never been to Mexico, but I have been to Central America back in 1974, I know what happens down there. I even know what kind of problems there are. You sound like you want the same LEO corruption here in the USA.

Keep supporting un-validatable electronic voting machines and we will continue to have similar, albeit far worse corruption in our LEO.

Better yet, if your under 45 years old, why not just sign up for military service. It might just teach you some discipline, and a lesson in what's really wrong.

I am not going to argue about Immigration with you, because I don't know what the hell to do about it.

I don't think a Can-Mexi-merica is the right course either, but you can bet your boots it's what the leaders of our country have planned for us!

I think people (citizens) should have the right to be left the fuck alone, to do whatever they want. But that's not what's in store for us....

Do me a favor, put the immigration part of this aside, and think about if you were there with a camera getting paid to cover the protest for FOX.

Would you like it if I said, good to watch them beat down that fox journalist? NO? Then you need to start dealing with REALITY!

This brings up a whole new pandora's box if you ask me about WHO THE FUCK IS THE MEDIA? WHO THE FUCK GET'S A PRESS PASS!? If you can't answer than, then you need to really check yourself, and check what is in the Constitution. Or are you just another OATH BREAKER. (speculative again)

Look, I am sorry if I piss you off with these questions, but you really need to answer them.

What if I was to grab your IP, summons your ISP for the /var/log/messages at a specific time and then enter your information into a database, that crossed it with a bunch of stuff you really don't even want to know about, and then put you on a list, that you really don't want to know about?

If you can't comprehend that, then you can't comprehend where I am coming from.

I find this discussion very sad.

Obviously we need better immigration policy and an economy that is sufficiently strong that people lucky enough to be born in the US aren't afraid of those that come here to improve there lives. Let's focus our anger on those that refuse to adopt rational immigration policies. Better laws and just enforcement of those laws can take care of those that enter this country illegally.

The consequences of entering this country illegally should be a fair deportation hearing and, if justified deportation. Not rubber bullets and beatings!

Onyx, that's pretty rational. MR. Problem solver for Immigration. But what about voter's rights? Which will eventually be the LONG TERM strategy to re-gain our Constitutional rights, which have been obviously been taken away?

I'll play out the MR. Problem solver for this end of the argument, I will continue until I see it changed back to our rights restored again.

Get rid of the UNCONSTITUTIONAL electronic (invisible, and un-validatable voting machines) let us actually validate the election-- spare no expense.

Paper and pencil + Oversight by the public.

DESTROY ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES
(They are unconstitutional) look at all the damage they have done.

Phil - I agree!

I cannot believe that so many people miss the point. If thousands of white people go out tomorrow and scream "bring home the troops NOW" or "no police brutality"or"Why isn't Bush saluting the dead when they arrive home in planes like previous Presidents?" and supposedly "provoke" these cops they'll get the EXACT same treatment. Don't think because you're White that you won't.

You'd better start reading the papers of predominantly White cities and watch what happens when citizens "provoke" the cops. You'd see there is a lot more of this going on than you'd realize. The catch words here are "Mexican" and "Illegal". This is just "good press" to further dramatize hate and the lack of finding a solution to a prevalent problem.

If anyone doubts what I say about people "disturbing or provoking" the cops. Ask any of your grandparents or Great-Grandparents what happened to them at Ellis Island when things got "a little out of control" for the immigrants.Then they were predominantly English, Italian,Irish, Russian, and Jewish. THEN you'll see the trouble Americans are having and will continue to have when attempting to discuss important issues publicly.

Get a clue, your money, skin color, or self-righteousness will NOT stop a cop from putting a bullet into you if you "upset" him. (Oh and if you didn't know riot cops, as well as cops in general, take classes on crowd control situations, including those involving how to handle being "antagonized").

Thanks for covering this, Brad. Seems like none of the A-listers want to touch it. Odd.

And now you are feeling that hate mail that comes after those who are stand for the Brown™.

I see nothing new in this video as far as police and crowd control. I think it was Seattle and a non immigrant type protest that a woman was shot at close range in the eye, she lay there dying in agony as the troopers continued. I think most spanish people are from spain and most Americans born here have ancestors from Spain and other countries. The issue is can our economy handle the expense of UNcontrolled immigration, which I think not. And secondly are our rights being eroded by our own leaders. During the illegal gun confiscation in New Orleans they were just following orders. In Germany the same, and on California the same. Are we being pitted against each other , probably. Thats why we are all hyphenated Americans... Blk-Am, Mx-Am, Hisp-Am,Wht-Am. If we fight we ignore the eroision of right resulting from the process. Aborting a million Americans every few months is ignored if I focuss on who's legal or not.

i can't remember, is the police state coming or is it already here?

CAL, "Spanish" is not the same as "Hispanic" nor "Latino" or "Mexican." Fyi:

Spanish: from Spain.
Hispanic: Nixon invented this word to tie all spanish speaking people together. Not all of us care for this word as it is a government handle and focuses on the white Spaniard, excluding the Indian or brown from below the US border, etc. You see, Mexico is a land of Indians who were conquered and mixed with the Spanish invaders.
Latino: from Latin America. Not all care for this term, as it deprives us of our individual heritage.
Mexican American: American of Mexican descent. As you point out, CAL, some do not like me (or us) using this term, or any other "hyphenated" term. Why? They want us to blend in, they want to forget roots, but that is silly and impossible. When you have a land that has made its bones from conquering and exploiting many other kinds of people, of course there is a drive to wipe that away. To forget. "Let sleeping dogs lie."

But they don't lie, do they? They dream deep. They keep memories. Even dead and buried.

I will not forget my roots. My nanita raised my father tilling the land, picking crops, working fields for this country. My cousins and great uncles and second cousins fought Americas wars to become citizens. I am proud of them and their efforts that made it possible for me to be born in the USA, in L.A. I will not wipe away the "Mexican" from my ethnicity. I am Mexican American. America is supposed to celebrate diversity. But that's so much hype. There's too many ghosts here for all of us to sleep through the night.

All I would say to most of this is people should really read up on the history of US labor and immigration before they let their emotions run willy nilly all over. Your words stay up, even after you read books and realize your comments were based on State propaganda or belly-flippin fear.

This debate seems to come down to one thing, the all mighty dollar. It seems that the overall issue here is that white american "McCitizen" doesn't want the noble proud Mexican to enjoy the fruits of being allowed in this country. The Mexican is so proud of his heritage that they would never assimilate into such an inferior vanilla society, they just want the economic prosperity that comes with it. Reconquer Atzlan is great but then you must consider without the dollar in Atzlan what have you really accomplished? Economic prosperity is great, but don't kid yourself, once accomplished you can kiss your old world ways good bye. Those are the terms of Moloch the god of money.

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... James Goldman said on 5/2/2007 @ 2:26 pm PT...

{Ed Note: Racist, anti-semetic comments deleted, will not be tolerated here. Please knock it off. Thanks. --- BF}

My comments were not racist, they were raw truth. Free speech by its very nature is offensive speech. If I can only say what other people want to hear, then that is not free speech.

i disagree the way the lapd handled the whole situaation they overreacted and they should go back to police academy

I'm getting really tired of the comments by Mexicans claiming that we stole their land. It's a shame they can't remember their own history. The last time I checked, Spain was in Europe, and it was the Spanish who took the indigenous people's land. So why don't all the Hispanics go back to Spain, before they start telling other European descendants to go back to Europe.

What a joke man! I just listened to the entire police transcript on audio. What were these people thinking? Several fires were set, people were intentionally blocking traffic on a huge LA street Wilshire Blvd. More cops were injured than anyone else. I mean it's almost not as much a question about the cops as it is what the hell were these people doing invading neighboring areas and streets when this rally was over? They knew better, and they were looking to provoke and incite. When are people going to learn how to behave? These cops were scared out of their mind, with many having dealt with the LA Riots. If the rally is over, leave! If the cops show up in force, run! Who doesn't know that? These people are not stupid at these rallies and any attempt to defend them or their actions is a certain declaration of pure ignorance. The cops may not have acted right, but when you won't leave, and you're not even in the park anymore, and people are setting fires, in this city, you should already know to get out. People wanted to stay around and see some action, and they did. Next time have a truly peaceful demonstration. DO NOT count on the LAPD to be nice, for whatever reason. They are cops for crying out loud. Nobody was killed, and the rally WAS NOT peaceful if fires were set and bottles were thrown and cops were injured. Keep it real people, and quit taking sides. (this will never get published on this site, but I felt inclined to give my honest opinion)