Interesting timing here: It's only been a week since

A Vatican cardinal said ... the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.
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Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design."

Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

"A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof."

I've been quoting from an article by Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press. You can read the entire article here.

I can't imagine that anyone who believes in a God would believe that these two men have God in their souls.

How did they ever get to be who they are; lying TV personalities making all kinds of money from the gulliable. How did this happen, why, when...?????

This is sick, they are sick. I feel sick after reading that. What in hey is happening in the world that people like that are even allowed to be on the air.

Jesus wept.

Give a wingunt enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Come on . . this is nothing but laughable. Maybe we'll get lucky and Robertson will tell his followers to drink the kool-aid and we'll be rid of them all. O'Reilly should be issued a weapon (but no flak gear of course) and shipped off to Iraq to support his President.

well all i can say is this, o'reilly has permanently rescinded all rights to visit SF. i'd pay a lot of money to see him guillotined in the middle of Union Square, in fact.

Fighting Bill O'Reilly "war hero". :0)

Do you know where I can get a larger version of that Pat Roberston picture?

All propositions fail. Congratulations, California!

This is the victory of millions of union TV and radio advertisement dollars over common sense. Expect your compulsory union dues to double to repay the huge debt amassed to fight these modest proposals.

You have surrendered California to be pillaged by the bloated public employee unions and dishonest liberal bureaucrats.

If someone complains about the higher state taxes which will inevitably result, I will be interested in learning how he voted in this election. I wouldn't blame Ahnold if he abandoned the state to the noble, articulate warren beatty. Ahnold didn't lose; he has everything a man could want.

California lost. So goodbye and good luck.

...And now the corporate exodus begins:

Nissan Motor Co. announced Thursday it is moving its North American headquarters and nearly 1,300 jobs from California to the Nashville area to take advantage of the lower cost of doing business in the Southeast.

"The board of Nissan decided to relocate our North American headquarters, and we're coming to Tennessee," Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn said at a news conference at the state Capitol attended by Gov. Phil Bredesen and other top state officials.

"The costs of doing business in Southern California are much higher than the costs of doing business in Tennessee, and there's no state income tax" he said.

I realize that Liberals' eyes just glaze over when you talk about a corporation's cost of doing business. As Paul Tsongas said, Liberals love employment; it's employers they can't stand.

Bill OReilley: "Hey, you know, if you want to ban military recruiting, fine, but I'm not going to give you another nickel of federal money. "

Just fine by me, so long as California gets to stop paying its federal taxes. I don't want a single nickle of federal money coming back. Especially since we sent a dime. The last I heard, California only gets 35% of the money we put into the federal government back. States like Utah are in some foolish 500% range. I'll need to find the actual references.

Maybe Bill could have his research staff do that, it's not as if they're fact checking anything these days...

It would be easier for me to dismiss Robertson's comments if I didn't know that there is a sizeable portion of our God-fearing populace that agrees with him. These people are real, they are aggressive, they are hateful, and they believe God is on their side. That's about as dangerous as you can get.

I just got home from seeing Mark Crispin Miller present at Seattle Town Hall. The man is brilliant (new book out : Fooled Again) and he spent a good deal of his talk addressing the "dominion theologians" who are currently co-opting the conservative movement. He uses the word Christo-Fascist, which I'm sure you've heard bandied about on Air America by Mike Malloy, Sam Seder and others. But the term truly strikes at the nature of these people - they are well-funded, unified of purpose, and care not one whit about the Constitution - the Constitution and civil liberties are their enemy. That's exactly why this battle for the Supreme Court is so vital - they are going to start striking our freedoms down through the judiciary as well as the legislature.

O'Reilly I can dismiss. He's just an angry blowhard bully with a TV show. He can't put together a coherent argument that holds water with anyone of reasonable intelligence (OK, so we miss that mark with much of our country), and bullies are also cowards. But Robertson's a different story - he's a loon, of course. But he's aloon who's right with the Lord. once you've got your God Squad Daydream Believers out goose-stepping, how do you counter that with rationality. You can't. It's a holy war right here in our own country.

They're fighting this war against science in our public schools. Check out The Discovery Institute- they say they are non-partisan but they are an offshoot of the Hudson Institute, and their goal is to promote intelligent design. They are a driving force behind what has been happening in Kansas and Dover, PA. Really scary stuff. In the Wikipedia article, find and read the "Wedge" mission - they are attempting to redefine science (they have already succeeded in Kansas.)

O'Reilly says Bush could deny San Francisco federal money? What kind of federal money?

Presumably he's talking about aid to education, and possibly infrastructure. Hard to know what else he could mean; in any event, the taxypayers of San Francisco (including the businesses) send a hell of a lot more money to Washington than comes back to them.

Memo to O'Reilly: Bush doesn't have the power to cut off education funds by himself. Congress appropriates money, not the White House. If federal aid were sent to Oakland's schools but not to San Francisco's, for example, it would generate lawsuits beyond anyone's imagining...for one thing, the kids of San Francisco would be denied a fair educational opportunity. That's against the law.

Let's not get het up about O'Reilly and Robertson, friends. Nor Ann Coulter, for that matter. They enjoy the right of free speech, so let them bloviate.
Calmly point out the foolishness of what they say, and continue to press our issues.

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Someone should throw flour at Bill and Pat and scream,

"White Phosphorus!"
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In fact, I think this is something protestors should do en masse --- until every single American is aware, ashamed and appalled that their government uses chemical weapons to kill men, women, children and babies slowly and painfully.
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If Bill O'Reilly was not a U.S. citizen, he would face deportation for making such statements. Under the Patriot Act, a person can be deported for using "his or her place of prominence to endorse, espouse, or advocate support for terrorist activities or terrorist organizations in a manner which the Secretary of State concludes undermines our efforts to reduce or eliminate terrorism...." 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(VI).

Its too bad Ashcroft didn't get the authority to strip U.S. citizens of their citizenship. Then O'Reilly would be one of those "illegals" he so hates. DEPORT O'REILLY!

The only reason California did not pass the referendum's
is because it's citizenry pays attention to whats going on and votes accordingly, and is not duped by big business bullshit and threats.
Like, you know, fool me 1ns .... we can...we can't get fooled again, just like "Fart Fan" does every time he goes to the ballot box

By the way, I'm a union member, 25 years with IBEW

I saw a recent Jimmy Carter interview where he ably described the type of "fundamentalism" these two bigots display. Carter equated religious "christian" fundamentalism with "islamic" fundamentalism.

In other words O'Reilly and Robertson are of the same ilk as the terrorists.

That is, they advocate the destruction of folks who have different views than their own.

Madmen, all of them are madmen.

Oh That's okay cuz we wish death and destruction on them too.

I say we give them free tickets to Israel's christian theme park soon to be built. Send tham down the waterslide - with cement shoes on.

Robertson is a Mullah in a suit and O'Reilly is just a cranky, constipated old man. It sicks to get old and no one listens to you any more.

Well gee Ollie ,I thought you were supposed to teach science in science class, WTF Bill-do-Reilly what a dumb shit. I think he should go visit San Francisco, less his kevlar. I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome.........

"Man of God"

How preposterous!

I couldn't let this one pass & asked brother Pat some questions on his website (http://www.patrobertson.com/)

"What kind of a "Man of God" would tell people "Don't turn to God for help..." just because he didn't agree with their political position? What kind of "Man of God" would publicly hope for natural disaster to strike human beings? How is it that you feel powerful enough to speak on his behalf, when you clearly have misunderstood his very nature so profoundly? Look in the mirror Mr. Robertson, and ask yourself when exactly God gave you the right to judge your fellow human beings with such impunity."

Jeff J.

#5 ...elborba
"Come on . . this is nothing but laughable."

I agree that O'Reilly is laughable but I think Robertson has a lot of followers who believe all he preaches. That makes him a dangerous man. I don't him laughable at all. Many soldiers and Irag's have been killed because people believed in people ( bush, cheney, rumsfeld etc) who are very much like Robertson and O'Reilly.

I agree with you Jeff J. I wrote to our local TV station that carries his program and to CRTC. I had written before when he made the death wish for Chavez but didn't get a reply. I will keep on writing to try and get his show off the air here.

Californians and Doverians vote for what was right...I am so proud of them.

It is a shame that so much TAX Dollars for California was wasted on this vote.

I believe they have just handed Ahhnold a mandate.

Sweet Justice.

Such fools you are! How can anyone in their right mind equate Robertson and O'Really? with Osama? Just because all three are willing to kill for their respective God? The difference is that Osama's God is evil and the Christian God is good. Now, sometimes we have to sprinkle some magic dust (phosporous) on the infidel babies to get their parents to realize the errors in their ways, and sometimes we have to destroy countries because they don't see the pure light of Christ, but we are RIGHT and they are WRONG.

These pukes are unbelievable.

At least Robertson's reaction should put to rest the identity of the Intelligent Designer once and for all. The ID'ers, of course, are not saying that it was their god (wink, nod) because that would be forcing religion in the science room.

Promoting terrorist attacks on Frisco !!! Seems like folks have been tortured to death for less.

Pat Robertson is certifiably neurotic. He probably needs a "time out" in order to mature into a human being. May be he can invoke his imaginary friend in the sky to bring death and devastation down on our heads because of the Dover decision. Any man who knows who or what God is- is a liar, deceiver, lout and bumpkin. To claim to know the unknowable is a leap into metaphysics that borders on insanity. Fundamentalists who believe that the religious should take control of the secular need to research the annals of history.

California gets back 71 cents for every dollar its citizens pay. Personally, I think California ought to renegotiate its relationship with the rest of the country. Why so many people outside California hate California is a mystery to me. Without California's ports, all the Walmarts in the South and Midwest would be empty. And, obviously, without California's tax money, a lot of those states would be hurting. As for Pat Robertson, I say the more he talks the crazier he sounds. What god does he worship anyway? Sounds like Zeus, Thor, or some two bit god that has to be sacrificed with a couple of virgins now and then to keep him satisfied.

PAT ROBERTSON YOU WANT TO SEE A HYPOCRITE,POSING AS A MAN OF GOD LOOK IN YOUR MIRROW EVERY DAY.ENJOY YOUR MONEY AND WEALTH NOW,BECAUSE YOU ARE HOLDING HANDS WITH THE DEVIL!! :crazy:

Gotta love the psychos out there advocating the destruction of millions of people who don't agree with them..

Sad thing is, some of those psychos are our very own.. /sigh

This thread is so futile... The only people that SHOULD read it are the very people that are the EXACT PROBLEM in the world. Hate filled and closed minded. Wanting to use their religion to "purge the earth" (exactly like the terrorists we're fighting) but pretending they are somehow different than the "other" people wanting to do the same.

God has no place in public life, not in this country. The Constitution specifically says that.. why these zealots can't accept that is beyond me, but America better wake up soon. God belongs in your house, in your personal life, not in your public life, not in public policy. Religion has NO place being shoved down people's throats, ever, period. Psychos on the "right" just don't get that.. but then, in their defense, they seem to not have a very good grasp of reality.. Perhaps they should be institutionalized by a different intitution than the "entertainment industry".. one with little coatst that tie in the back and softly lit padded rooms? that or dark boxes that are lined with pretty cloth.. either way.. though, the second way is cheaper in the long run.. but the first creates jobs.. descisions descisions..

Robertson is mentally ill --- all religious zealots do have a form of mental illness. They see a man in the sky and talk to him.

O'Reily on the other hand is a pawn of the fox/right wing nut cases. If he wants to keep his job he needs to pretend he is mentally ill.

Robertson is old. Maybe he is suffering from dementia. He needs a check up.

Kudo's to Dover, Pa.! Hooray, for Dover, Pa.! I saw Jimmy Carter on the Rose interview on PBS, and Jimmy Carter is a devote Christian, more-so than the fake-religious George W. Bush, and Carter said that the minority Religious "Wrong" are hurting this country by trying to mix church with state. Jimmy Carter is against them, and like I said, you won't find a more deeply religious individual.

...and one more thing...

If the Religious Wrong wants to keep mixing Church and state, THEN THEY SHOULD LOSE THEIR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS!!!

How come no one ever talks about this???

Did you check out the ride in the Israeli Christian theme park? The one called "The Twin Towers of Terror"?

Oh, God, what are we to do? O'Reilly and Robertson, two disgraceful, disgusting, and despicable derelicts of derision, show once again how well they mimic little old ladies who gossip over the back fence. O'Reilly calling for the separation of Frisco and States, and Robertson condemning the folks in PA, have sphincters where most other beings have mouths. As for brains, they know not what they say, but they do prove to one and all that there indeed is no God in their lives. Their treason is equal to that of the GOP Congress and the so-called praysident.

These talking heads say whatever the dollars tell them to say. Creating hate to avoid the public questioning the serious problems.

Politicians, whatever their loyalty, need the divisiness of the population to cover up their incompetence. We are so busy hating one another we aren't demanding solutions for our national debt, or preventing corporations stealing retirement benefits or raiding the company stocks, Enron for example.

Lets not forget it took BOTH parties to get us into this situation.

Republicans and Liberals are part of the 57% of the population thinking our administration is dishonest,
and needs housecleaning today !
How idealistic is it to wonder the progress we could make in all walks of life without the labels.

Big Dan #36

You know I have to agree with you. Why is it a house of religion but is making profit one way or another is tax exempt? This has to be an old, old policy when Churches did not own land, and have the income flowing through the church. Where is the non profit?

We have a "Pastor" who sells flag poles for $10,000 a piece outside the church. And there are ALOt of poles standing tall.

So, we have supposedly a separation of Church and State for tax purposes but not in Administration Policy creating? Doesn't compute.

Any ideas anyone?

One more thing....sure would cut down our national debt if any establishment making profit has to pay some tax. Social Security is taxed if the receiver makes more than a certain annual amount and this money was already taxed ONCE BEFORE!

SAVANTSTER #32 So True; This thread is so futile... The only people that SHOULD read it are the very people that are the EXACT PROBLEM in the world. Hate filled and closed minded. Wanting to use their religion to "purge the earth" (exactly like the terrorists we're fighting) but pretending they are somehow different than the "other" people wanting to do the same. Nailed it !

You know yo've created God in your own image when you God hates the same people YOU do.

It's laughable when even the Vatican disagrees with Robertson - not that I really care what the Vatican says, mind you.

SCRIPTURES - n. The Sacred books of OUR HOLY RELIGION, as distinguished from the false and profane writigngs upon which all the other beliefs are based. -Ambrose Bierce

I am so sick of O'reilly pimping for military recruits. Why didn't this bastard go in the military during Vietnam. He was of age. I would love to know if he got his draft papers. But of course he would of got out on a deferment. Lets see O'reilly went from college to a teaching job for a mear two years, then back into college. was the teaching job not fullfilling? ( the kids probably didn't or wouldn't give him the attention he's starved for). Or was it that a young teacher still could of been drafted, and so back to a college he went. In any manner Bill could of served his country when his country needed him, but he chose to hide. So now he touts this war. Yeah Bill, war is a good thing as long as it's somebody elses kids having to do the fighting and dying. Conveinent isn't it ?

"You have surrendered California to be pillaged by the bloated public employee unions and dishonest liberal bureaucrats."

Too late, they missed the party. Enron got the fresh meat.

BTW, Ahnold spent $50 Million to fall on his face. The last time he did that was "Last Action Hero". Only this time it was taxpayer money.

The Bible is a book based on interpretation of conversations. Many people hear different versions of the same conversation.

So why do the religious leaders insist their interpretation is the only correct one?

How many people committing crime against their children, wives, husbands claim they heard God telling them to do the crime?

Yep. We have confirmation. Osama bin Laden, who has not been heard from in almost a year, must be finally dead.

How do I know?

Well, it is quite obvious that Bill O'Reilly and Pat Robertson are channeling Osama bin Laden's dark soul from beyond the grave.

I mean, c'mon, their ranting sounds like the rants of Osama bin Laden: "Death to the infidels. Death to anyone that disagrees with me. Death to anyone that believes differently than I do. Death to democracy. Death to democracy. Death to democracy."

Yep. Bin Laden's dead and O'Reilly and Robertson (and Dobson, etal) are channeling him. It seems clear to me. What a bunch of losers.

The bible is a 'collection of books' written by many different people over many different generations. It essentially contains wishful thinking, myth, legend, lore, folk tale and lie, mixed with just a smattering of actual history.

Nazareth didn't exist til the 4th century. You do the math!

How the hell do these wacko, haters of freedom, unpatriotic, unchristian churls, get air time..? What has happened to my country..these type of people used to be locked up in mental institutions..who let them out ?

As a veteran who was drafted during the Berlin crisis and served my country, I was proud to be an American. I have traveled to all of the western European countries, 46 of our 50 states, Mexico and 5 of the provinces of the great country of Canada. I always walked with my head held high and avoided the arrogance of the ugly American. I have given my money and my time to make this a better world. I have always been in the right place at the right time and good things have always happened to me. My kids are intelligent, well educated and successful and I have financial security and good health. What more could you ask for?
You might think that I had captured the American Dream. I must honestly tell you that I am, at this time, ashamed to be an American. America is turning into a fascist state. The American masses have become asses. A country that gives credence to religious nuts like Falwell and Robertson and will waste a life by sitting in front of a television and listen to Fox News and fascist scum like O'Reilly is indeed a sick country. These are the same morons who gave us W.
If I didn't have such a large investment in family, property and a lifetime of building friendships I would leave this country in a minute. Since it is not feasible for me to leave - I am determined to fight the fascist pseudoreligious bastards and take back my country. Wake up America and reject these people.

# 48 These wackos are promoted and perhaps paid by those who try to make us believe their crap.

Unfortunately, many prefer to believe the crap rather than read and make their own assumptions.

Robertson smote Rehnquist on TV. He prayed for another seat, and poor Rehnquist died days later.

Now he prays for GOD's destruction of Dover, PA.

Good Christian ethics.

O'Reilly's point seems to be that our troops are fighting to defend the entire country, thus no region of the country has a right to deny recruiters access to potential recruits.

It's a fallacy, of course, for a number of reasons:

1) Troops in Iraq are NOT DEFENDING AMERICA, because Iraq didn't attack us and never meant to.

2) Bush swore an inaugural oath to defend the country, without qualification as to region or to whether a given region encourages conscription.

3) Recruitment is geographically and economically out of balance to begin with. It the government could allocate defensive resources in proportion with troops in the field, then it would defend poor rural areas exclusively and leave well-to-do neighborhoods unguarded. Rich kids aren't fighting in Iraq.

4) Localities have the right to exclude door-to-door salesmen. Florida and other states have laws barring telephone solicitors from calling people who ask to be left alone. If businesses can legally be excluded from soliciting by local ordinance, there's no legal or moral reason why military recruiters shouldn't be subject to the same restrictions.

Hey,
Sounds like assaholah robertson is putting out yet another fatwa.
and o'reilly thinks that the Coit Tower should be the next target?
what are these guys smoking?
ain't the world a great place?
drb :rolleyes:

Many people are dismissing these two and their statements yet again as "laughable" and irrelevant. Quit being so f'in spineless and wake up.

Don't you realize theyve been arresting people for protesting the war? They attacked 300,000 protestors with bio weapons on Sept. 24th? They tasered and arrested an Iraqi vet for counterprotesting about military recruitment at a campus. If someone just spent an hour compiling all the people who've lost jobs(bill moyers, michael parenti), been censored(pacifica, gnclive.com, alex jones, jeff rense,), you'd have a book full of examples. Colleen Rowley is facing 30 years in prison simply for defending blind sheik mohammed!

It's time to find independant, green, and libertarian candidates. There's no difference between Dems and Republicans. They're all NWO as far as I'm concerned and they could give a sh#t about any of us.

Dems and Republicans are both worthless I agree. There is NO WAY that these senators didn't know that Bush lied us into war. They're all liars. Left and right.

You all need to start listening to the real news over at www.gcnlive.com and revereradionetwork.com instead of these psuedo left gatekeepers spewing on networks like Air America and Democracy Now. Who, by the way, are both funded by the enemy...the Rockefellers. CFAP and CFD are both fronts, just like the Israeli spy nest AEI.

Before you get hostile, ask yourself why both stations havent addressed the many whistelblowers that have come forth in the past year concerning 9-11. Why hasn't Amy Goodman had one single show? Why do neither talk about the real enemy? the Likud Israel blackmail and Mossad false flags and their ties to 9-11, AIPAC, and most of the bombings that have taken place around the world and blamed on Zarqawi.

Until Air America and Democracy now adress both Israel and 9-11, they are not to be trusted.

For real news, go to http://www.iamthewitness.com and http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com. Listen to some of the archives. You'll be blown away.

Anybody have any insight on the credibility of this article >

"From Capitol Hill Blue

FUBAR
GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Nov 10, 2005, 06:19..."

http://www.capitolhillbl...blish/printer_7639.shtml

Please say it ain't so!

#9 Fascist Fan (he actually used the misnomer Freedom Fan)quoted:

"I realize that Liberals' eyes just glaze over when you talk about a corporation's cost of doing business. As Paul Tsongas said, Liberals love employment; it's employers they can't stand."

Ya know, when all is said and done. conservatives love work, it's having to pay people to do it that they can't stand.

#57
I posted that on Americalog yesterday. Wish I had some more evidence. But given the mendacity of this admistration, the Reich-wing and their current desperation to prop up their cardboard dictator, it wouldn't surprise me they cook up another one.

Also, given the Crayola color games they played last year in the run up to the ..ahem...election (oh I hate that word) it shouldn't surpise anyone that this administration would deliberately cause a disaster to gain in the polls.

Pious hypocrisy....people who want the freedom to worship as they see fit, yet would deny the same to people that think they are full of shit. I am an American. I do not bend my knee to anyone, real or imaginary.
Everyone is judged on their action, not what they say or think they believe. This is a distressing philosophy, because if you adopt it, you will rapidly see that the world is full of climbers, hypocrites, and outright liars. But it does give you the oppurtunity to really help people. Give the homeless guy a sandwich is you think he will booze it up if you give him cash.
Sorry about the digression, but I am so outraged at the relative stupidity of so- called religious people....
Anyway, the problem with taxing these hypocritical bastards is that if we taxed them we are obligated to represent them in our government. No taxation without representation and all that. Of course what most people dont realize is that the reverse is also true, no representation without taxation. So I vow to work to get people of any label into office that will ignore the fevered rantings of those who think they speak for a higher power and concentrate instead on current problems. Is every election really about gay rights and abortion? Let us work together to educate these "should have been aborteds" out of our world. Start with your kids and don't breed with the godders. Pagans can do so much more in bed anyway.

They are not religious. They aren't interested in the glory of creation and the great questions of God and nature.

Their "God" is nothing but a mirror reflection of their shabby little, vindictive souls.

Speaking of Robertson and minions, of course.

Re: #54 Um... Colleen Rowley is the FBI Whistleblower who exposed the failure of the FBI to immediately investigate the so-called "20th Hijacker" (the bald one, whose name escapes me, blast it!!) And she has recently announced that she will be running for office in 2006.

""You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead!" O'Reilly's exhortation is tantamont to treason. He should not only be kicked off the air; he should be arrested and tried in a court of law, preferably in California

I just can't believe that these two men can say anything like this with a straight face. Yes, we have all know for awhile that Robertson was a "little off kilter", but these latest remarks make me sick. Did he wake up GOD? How can a man of GOD, wish such harmful things like that on a group of people. And, O'Reiley...wel, someone needs to recruit him...like say, in downtown Basara I just can't think they people with BRAINS still believe a word that they say.

Bill O'Reilly has embarrased even conservatives this time (link here).

They are trying to get him removed from the air. One down, one to go.

#58 Thanks for reply ... I truly hope it's not credible for it is very sinister , and I hope the GOP has enuf sense not to generate such a memo. I would like to see this discussed on the Sunday morning shows: Meet the Press, This Week with George Stephanopolous, Chris Matthews, etc. It needs to be easily refuted OR please explain it (somehow in some twisted way) to the American people because this memo SUCKS! Here it is again for anyone else who has not seen it:

"From Capitol Hill Blue

FUBAR
GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Nov 10, 2005, 06:19..."

http://www.capitolhillbl...blish/printer_7639.shtml

Please say it ain't so!

Yank #68

Interesting link you had (link here).

Whether the story is true or not "that dog won't hunt" as they say in red states.

The reason is that the polls show that the american people know what the experts know.

Which is that the recent terrorist attack in Amman, Jordan was planned and processed from Iraq.

And that Iraq is now the center of terrorist planning. It is headquarters for al Qaida.

That would never have happened with Sadaam Husein's mistrust of islamic radicals. He was a secular dictator and they are religious dictators. He did not like them, trust them, or support them.

The US policy, however, has given them a dream home, a true place to foster hate mongering against the western world.

Thanks for taking $300,000,000,000 and counting and giving us nothing in return you neoCon fascists. Actually what we got in return is a more unstable world, more terrorism, and fewer friends.

The little squitting weasel should be banned to one of his diamond mines in Africa, along with blowhard O'liely. A pecial part of hell awaits these ass-clowns.

An easy way to show your disgust at Mr. O'Reilly....email FOX network and tell them you can no longer watch their statiion with someone like O'Reilly having a show there. Hit him where it hurts--in the pocketbook....enough people write FOX....FOX removes O'Reilly....then no one has to hear the babbling idiot.

This post has attracted more commentary than all the rest. Sorry if this sounds condescending, but O'Reilly and Robertson aren't worth it.

"I'll tell you what. I've been in combat. I've seen it, I've been close to it... and if my unit is danger, and I've got a captured guy, and the guy knows where the enemy is, and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. The guy better tell me. If it's life or death, he's going first." –on his experience as a journalist covering firefights in South and Central America, Jan. 18, 2005 (Source)

More Billy:

"So anyway I'd be rubbing your big boobs and getting your nipples really hard, kinda' kissing your neck from behind...and then I would take the other hand with the falafel thing and I'd just put it on your p***y but you'd have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business..." --as quoted in a sexual harassment suit filed against him by a Fox News producer, 2004

"If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?" -on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, March 18, 2003

O'Reilly has shouted fire in a crowded theatre, and since he has a large 'audience' it is heiniously magnified.

he has committed an indictable offence.

if there is justice round here HE WILL BE ARRESTED>

ESPECIALLY

THERE WAS A MAJOR STUDY DONE FEW YEARS AGO, (and if anyone has the documentation from a solid source to 'TAG' onto this developing story, please share it)...
,,,THE STUDY FOUND THAT THE 3 CITIES MOST LIKELY TO INCUR A TERRORIST ATTACK WERE New York, New Orleans and San Francisco in this context these are ominous deadly remarks

(hmmm all coastal cities)
this guy is a total kook, who is irresponsible and out of his mind as Jeremy and Phil Donahue have outed him.

he needs massive therapy, or time alone to simply exercise his demons, if possible.

and San Fran is fighting back

San Francisco Supervisor Filing Resolution Calling on FOX News to Fire O'Reilly

http://www.globalnewsmat...ile=article&sid=3421

it is sick that MSM gives sopboxes to these people who spew 'suggestive triggers' to any number of unhinged people ready to Go Off.

a mean hatemongering disrespect for laws and life
filters from the top down to the man on the street

I know I got sucker puched with a bar glass to the eye and forehead by a complete stranger because I recited a UNITY poem

lets go people time to clean house

#71.
You're right. It's kind of like getting pleasure by poking sewer rats with a stick. I will stop now.

Re #11 --- I agree. CA is 20% of the world economy; 25% of the nation's... if we just left the US we wouldn't have to pay state taxes any longer because with our fed monies that go to utah and kansas and alaska (that bridge), etc. back in our own coffer, we would have more than enough to fund our schools and the environment and everything else (yes, including arnold's failed initiatives with less cringing) and still have $$ left over. If the rest of the blue states "went" with us, those red states could just fall in rank with the rest of the the third world countries...

Mr. o'reilly seems to have a little coit tower envy. Seems to keep him from thinking through his thoughts before he spews such diatribe. lol

Hi, I shared this with Brad and he asked me to put this here.
I'm gonna have to add the links so if they get messed up, here are a few in the first part...

story on this with email links to the corporate cronies: http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2005/11/12/01124/752

Hmm, that's actually the only one, except for Political Cortex

http://www.politicalcort...ory/2005/11/12/5822/0475

From Political Cortex:

"On November 8, 2005 Bill O'Reilly aired a radio broadcast that will live in infamy.
It seems that O'Reilly didn't like it that San Franciscans exercised their constitutional rights and passed a non-binding ballot measure urging high schools and colleges to ban military recruiting on campus. So does he criticize them? Call for a boycott? No. He says that the the American armed forces should not defend San Francisco and that Al Qeada should go ahead and attack. "

I'm asking everyone I know to read this page and then go over to Daily Kos where the Diarist is asking people to email the corporate sponsors of Bill O'Reilly's radio and TV show to pull their advertising. Make sure you read the comments, because there are more email contacts there. To facilitate ease of writing here are the main sponsors:

david.rubinger@equifax.com Media Relations - Equifax

brian@lifequotes.com VP Sales, Life Quotes bthoms@insure.com VP & COO, William V. Thomas bob@insure.com CEO, Life Quotes (He'll send you a form letter, but send it anyway)

emigrantdirect@emigrant.com EmigrantDirect.com is a subsidiary of Emigrants Savings Bank. The diarist could only find the help desk as a point of contact.

tom.bryant@tempurpedic.com Tempurpedic Mattresses, CEO, Tom Bryant

Asking Al Qaeda to attack a city is the equivalent of being bin Laden - who also encourages his minions to attack people. This is treasonous. Bill O'Reilly is the epitome of anti-patriotic, a media menace/whore, a sexual predator and he hates America. He shouldn't make one more dime. In fact, Homeland Security should arrest him.

We've put up with a lot of shenanigans from him, from his constant lying, to his bullying behavior towards guests, to his sexual deviance, but this goes too far. This time, we as Americans need to insist they pull the plug on him, because he is an enemy of America with a microphone.

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Please join us and email these clowns...

It's about time the corporate purses were attacked.

OK, just one more poke.
The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said
10) "Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism

9) "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson

8) "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again.

It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson

7) "Well, I totally concur." –Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way --- all of them who have tried to secularize America --- I point the finger in their face and say: "You helped this happen."

6) "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate --- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld

5) "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson

4) "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson

3) "That was never in the Constitution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the Communist Soviet Union." –Pat Robertson, on the constitutional separation of church and state

2) "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

1) "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

Bonus Stupid Quote:

"Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' and 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping." –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez

Extra Bonus Stupid Quote:

"Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." –Pat Robertson
(politicalhumor.com)

God will skull fuck you both when the time comes.

Along with Ann Coulter, these people are among the sickest and most depraved people in the media. They are riddled with hatred and we must fight against them by telling the truth. NPR had a report on how Democrats of faith must stand up and fight this extremism in religion in our own country by telling how our own faith works in our lives --- and not to be shy about talking about TRUE Christianity. I am so sick and tired of these psychopaths. Whatever love was missing in their childhoods, they should have resoved these wounds before getting on the air and influencing millions of people. They are the ANTICHRIST!! The whole group: Bush, Robertson, Coulter and O'Reilly.

Very silly.

This post and the comments approach hysteria.

Watched O'Reilly last night.

He'll be on TV again tonight, despite your frothing and cursing.

DO SOMETHING!

Go to http://www.bethemedia.org to file an Informal Objection to Clear Channel’s radio station license renewal for KNEW-910AM – the station that broadcasts Michael Savage and Bill O’Reilly.

For convenience, I created some boilerplate ‘informal objections’ for people to send in to the FCC, specifically regarding Bill O’Reilly’s anti-American hate speech.

However, these need to be filed BEFORE DECEMBER 1, 2005.

Go to http://www.bethemedia.org now!

OMG!!! #81 is talking about hysteria, frothing and cursing on these threads, yet he's an o'reilly fan! ??? Now that's funny!

If any of you care, O'Reilly has now changed the San Fransico debate into "smear" sites taking his words out of context in order to make him look bad. He's been talking about the calls to get him fired (see #83 right above this) and how the new media doesn't bother to check the context of anything before they start to slander someone they disagree with. After actually listening to what he said, I think that he's probably right...

COMMENT #19 FlorIdiot said:

By the way, I'm a union member, 25 years with IBEW

Congratulations! A Suitable nic BTW.