I don't get this - prisonplanet has a story that Reid was losing in the polls by 9% and wound up winning. So why no Fox story? Because there's no difference between greedy Senators and candidates who just love lobbying funds.

and this is interesting ...
VOXEO

In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results.

The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history. See Bollyn article on Wang below.)

The calls from the nearly 2,000 caucus centers in Iowa went to a Voxeo call center in Atlanta, Georgia.

On January 31, 2005, I wrote to Michelle Bauer, Iowa's Secretary of State with some questions about the use of Voxeo, a foreign company located in Florida, to tally the results of the Iowa caucus:

Subject: How was the Iowa Caucus Tallied?

http://www.rense.com/general79/sis.htm

The Election Can’t Save Us From The Fed

November 3, 2010 by John Myers
The Election Can’t Save Us From The Fed

"We can pay anybody by running a printing press." — Thomas Gale Moore, a Ronald Reagan economic advisor, 1986.

Don’t expect America’s fortunes to change in the wake of yesterday’s election. Even if some semblance of sanity comes to Congress we are still left with that other dysfunctional institution, the Federal Reserve, which is bent on inflating the United States economy, the dollar be damned.

http://www.personalliber...510C]&rrid=238459980

Marzi, how odd, I was just at PP myself. Not proud of my visits there. They lean kinda tea baggerish in the comments. And a lot of, "lock and load" rhetoric. But I do enjoy their unabashed 911truthiness.

Now they are squawking that HReid stole it from Angle. Many seem to be confronted with the specter of hacked machines for the first time. The comments are full of righteous indignation about paper ballots, etc. Very cool actually.

So, to the question of why Fox pulled the plug on its Nevada piece; in my opinion it's not only that theyb would have trouble proving "voter fraud" but by extension then, the only viable remaining explanation is fucked up machines.

And just like the Democrats that have been hacked in the past never made much stink, Fox I'm sure is under orders to keep the questioning of the all powerful machines out of the conversation.

Is there proof HReid hacked his way to victory? I have no idea. The PP story says that the union SEIU was in charge of servicing the machines and were strongly behind Reid. Can this be true? Brad or anyone?

Camusrebel asked:

Is there proof HReid hacked his way to victory? I have no idea. The PP story says that the union SEIU was in charge of servicing the machines and were strongly behind Reid. Can this be true? Brad or anyone?

You'll note when I re-posted my recent Truthout piece here on the serious concerns about NV's e-voting system, I added a note as pre-amble to mention that there were new accusations flying in re: NV that had been made since I'd originally published that piece at Truthout, and that I'd hoped to find time to address them specifically in another piece. As it turns out, I didn't have the time, and --- for the moment --- still don't.

But to answer the question then, in a very general way, the allegation is that county employees in NV are SEIU members. The wingnuts who did in ACORN for imaginary reasons (to hide the fact that their real concern was that ACORN dared to support participatory democracy, even for the poor and anti-oligarchs) are turning their sites now to SEIU as their next imaginery enemy (largely for the same reasons).

The claim that SEIU members in NV are maintain the voting machines in some way is one that I have not had the time to look into to confirm as factual either way. But, the point is, I don't actually care either way. The problem with the 100% unverifiable voting systems as used in NV (the ones I detail at length in the article linked in the graf above, describing the verifiable evidence for being concerned about them), is that they can be gamed by anyone with little, if any, possibility for detection.

Whether it's SEIU or Rove's now deceased IT guy Mike Connell or anybody else with access to the type of systems NV forces voters to try and vote on, there is no way to know if they did or didn't tamper with the systems. That is what makes them such a threat to democracy. Not that they did tamper with the systems, but that they could --- actually, just one person could, and could affect an entire statewide election in the bargain --- and there would be very little chance that anybody would ever be able to find out.

To my knowledge, there is absolutely no evidence that SEIU, or anybody else, did any such thing. Though having evidence to make a such serious charges has never been a prerequisite for the particular folks who have been making these particular baseless (as far as I know) charges.

But in as much as we are stupid enough to allow such systems to be used in our elections, systems that open themselves up to such charges --- which cannot be refuted with evidence to the contrary in return --- is at the heart of why these systems are absolutely antithetical to citizen-overseeable, transparent, self-governing democracy.

Well, maybe I'll just run some version of the above as an actual blog item at some point, in lieu of what I had originally planned, but couldn't pull off, for lack of time.

Hope that helps. Feel free to pass it around as needed to anyone who may be wondering about all of this. Thanks.

On the subject of imaginary voter fraud, Iowa's S.o.S. elect Matt Schultz ran with mandated photo IDs as one of his tentpoles. Naturally, I sent his people an email today to congratulate him and ask for some hard data about how big this insidious problem has become in Iowa.

I'm still waiting for the response.

Fox evidently decided to kill a story accusing Dirty Harry of vote fraud because his margin, 40,000 votes, was simply too big to attribute to hacking. The network, in other words, bowed to reality.

Now, when Bush won Ohio by 120,000 votes in 2004, well, that's another story.

Remember that leftwing zealots were ranting about Florida, a state Bush won by 380,000, before the script changed.

Thanks Brad.

I hope it comes out that Reid was hacked to victory. Getting wingnuts to join us in our march to hand counted paper ballots will certainly speed things up.

Ronald Wieck -

Seriously, dude. You need to get over the partisan madness you've been brainwashed into. At least when it comes to issues of democracy. And you need to read the detailed comment I just left you in response to your two other notes on different threads on this same topic.

There is nothing "realistic" above Fox's decision in that a) They've been claiming that ACORN stole the election for Obama in '08 (which means that, somehow, ACORN managed to cast more than 10 million votes for Obama, despite the lack of evidence that any vote has ever been cast illegally by a voter improperly registered by an ACORN worker) and b) 40,000 votes on the type of machines used in NV would be child's play to flip without notice by a single person. (See the other two replies I gave you on the different threads). And c) They cancelled it because there is no evidence of any "voter fraud" at all in NV.

Finally, I don't have the numbers at hand, and don't feel your interest is actually legitimate enough to go track down for you, but I'm fairly certain that 120,000 votes in OH is a much smaller percentage of voters than 40k is in NV. Either way, it amounts to the fact that had just 6 votes in each precinct gone to Kerry instead of Bush, Kerry would have been the President. Add to that mountains of evidence of election fraud in the '04 election in OH (versus none that I'm aware of at this time in NV), and yes, there is ever reason to be concerned about OH having been stolen.

But, as noted in the other two comments I've already graced you with on this same topic, there is perfectly good reason to be concerned about NV's reported "results" as well.

Until it's clear you've bothered to take the time to read all that I've already written directly to you on this (as has Des), you won't be allowed to post the same evidence-free assertions again. Okay? I hope you'll find that a fair bargain. And, you're welcome.

FUCK BOEHNER !

Yah! Boehner may even be worse than Pelosi which brings us around to the question of attempted honest voting for dishonesty on both sides.

Yeah but can he beat the high water mark of scumminess left by Hastert?

Well I just watched a documentary about Jack Abromoff made by the guy who made The Smartest Guys in the Room. Abromoff bribed 15 Republicans and 1 Democrat. The Dem that he bribed was Harry Reid. Abromoff was a lobbyist for Indian Casinoes and Nevada has gambling. He was busted for taking money from 2 tribes and then playing them against eachother using Ralph Reed as the grassroots get Republicans to vote against who paid the least. John McCain didn't investigate it while in charge.