Kerry could have avoided the entire problem that the student had with the police by speaking up and saying to the police, leave him alone, and let me answer the question, (not that Kerry would have provided a real answer.) After all, Kerry was at a microphone and should have shown some leadership. The video made me ill to see how low our leaders and police have become.

How many volts is it gonna take until whinny anti-authoritarian liberals (I claim that this ’student’ is liberal) realize that the voting box is how you win…not discourse and disrespect?

No lets go out and tazer some taggers!!!!

{ED NOTE: "OMSMedia" is Don Haas, the brother of rightwing, anti-democracy, former Registrar of Voters in San Diego, Mikel Haas. We believe in full disclosure here. That Don is apparently pro-authoritarian, according to his foolish screed above, come as little surprise at this point. --- BF}

Kerry is a punk and lap-dog. HE is responsible for Bush stealingthe election in 2004. Not enough evidance to contest he says, what crap. Voters rights volunteers were sending up red flags all over Ohio, 3 folks are in prison for gaming the recount, and Blackwell and his stooges have destroyed the 04 returns against federal law. Bush/Cheney were in Ohio on election day meeting with SOS Blackwell, and voting vendor said prior to the election he would 'deliver' the votes to Bushco.

And still in lieu of the vast proof Ohio was stolen and hence Bush illegitmate this punk and bones boy does nothing. What a reprehensible piece of shit, still spewing his phoney excuses.

He could have stopped the poor kid from being tasered. I am about fed up with Kerry and would have lost my shit on him too. What a looser and he REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!! Come taser me you friggin pigs.

In this video, between 2:55 and 3:10, Kerry clearly says "I'll answer his question ... because it's a very important question."

I would like to hear Kerry's answer.

Additional video is linked from theandrewmeyer.com.

Dolphen...

"As officers escorted Meyer from the auditorium into the lobby, Kerry went on to explain that he did not think there was sufficient evidence of voter suppression to justify contesting the 2004 election.

"We just couldn't do it in good conscience because we didn't have that evidence," he said.

11AM concession in lieu of all the red flags. And now you HAVE THE EVIDANCE and still do nothing! Kerry you are a worm.

Student guy is a total clown, if the cops tell you to leave, then they grab you and start to move you, THEN YOU NEED TO LEAVE. Sue them later if you in fact didn't do anything, ask to speak with someone in charge, funny little commie dude thought he was going beat down twelve cops. I hope the little guy does jail time and gets fined for using up one of the officer's taser probes.

Guess everyone in Florida went to see Master Meyer spout Graigslist's printed book garbage instead of going to listen to John Kerry?

Stupid kid! The brat probably planned this whole thing.

How can anyone blame this student for what happened? I for one hold free speech very dear, but apparently there people out there who do not. It means you let someone speak their mind, even if you don't agree with them (I agree with the student, for the record). He committed no crime, he wasn't out of line, perhaps he went on a little longer than some might have wanted, but so what?! He got tazed for that?! We're bcoming a police state, and there are people who actually want it!!! Wake Up!!!!

"electronic voting machines in Volusia County, Florida that counted backwards."

Correction Andrew Meyer, it was Broward County.

But you would have gotten the same response from Kerry and have been tasered.

This is shocking treatment of a UF Student who just wants to ask an obvious question we all wanted to know.

This is a clear violation of the First Amendment right for Free Speech and a good lawyer is needed.

I noticed even Randy Rhodes missed this by cutting off the caller and saying, "I don't care." Now while I am with her on everything she said up to that point, I think she missed the following.

Watch all the videos again.
Specifically on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/w...h?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&NR=1
Your going to be looking and watching the MICROPHONE STAND and the man in the SUIT that takes it.

Take note of the man in the SUIT standing near the three cops. He motions with his hands to CUT, making the "slice your throat" signal. Two cops put their hands on the student.

Who was the man in the SUIT?
Did the man in the SUIT have a valid ID?
Who did the man in the SUIT work for?
What was the man in the SUIT's authority?
Who was the man in the SUIT signaling besides the cops?
What did the man in the SUIT say afterwards?

#2 OMSmedia
Why not volunteer for military service instead of assaulting citizens of the United States and bypassing their Constitutional Rights?

Maybe after you swore an oath, you'd understand the bigger picture here.

#6 Chuck
The student is not a clown, he's asking the MOST PATRIOTIC QUESTIONS in the United States.

One more I forgot..

Is not the man in the SUIT technically the inciter of all the actions that took place?

(this is a question, of which I'd hope there'd be more answers.)

Also on KOS (who I don't generally get my information from) I note some folks there pointing to a video (which I could not validate) that says the student was already fighting with the cops earlier. (Again I can not validate any of this. But by the simple fact the guy was standing at that microphone and allowed to talk, anything prior must have been forgiven.)

Anyway I dunno man. In fairness, Research that too.

But do not forget that man in that suit. What was his purpose and goal.

I watched the video in full - it made me want to vomit - the government of the United States of America makes me want to vomit - America is finished as a world leader - nothing but morons! Right-wing, empty-headed, gun-toting, bullying morons - well, one day the bully will get his! Sooner the better!

"Do it now!" is standard cop talk to freaked and uncooperative persons... just before they zap them into cooperation.

Not only was it macabre that Kerry just stood there silently, and then tried to address the crowd again while the scene was still in full throat, so to speak, but almost everyone in the room froze facing Kerry as if nothing were happening. Total creep-out.

From where are campus police employed?
How did the Kerry security force respond to this?
How would any bodyguard or protector respond to this?
I don't see this as a censorship issue, but a protective response.
Please respond with intelligent answers, not anti-government conspiracies.

Jill: Use the brain God gave you - if a student hogs a microphone and asks Kerry those particular three questions - would you decide that the only correct course of action would be to taser him? You obviously did not watch the entire video. I saw it on Huffington Post last night. You do not need any further information to know that what happened is an utterly disgusting exhibition of thuggery by people who have no business being in possession of a taser or being a member of the police force. It was a sickening display of ignorance.

Kerry had a chance to diffuse the situation but he did not. It seems to me that he froze. Everyone involved performed poorly. In retrospect, Kerry should have tried to stop the police. However, politicos are usually not spontaneous. Ask yourself, what would GWB have done? (think "deer in headlights")

Astonishing... this video absolutely floors me! What in the world are campus police doing with tazers to begin with? Why in the world would they tazer a student just trying to speak his mind? Okay, so he wouldnt shut the heck up and let Kerry answer his question right off the bat. So? He was providing where he got his information and what that information was. It is sickening what happened here!

How many volts is it gonna take TO FIX THE NEXT ELECTION ?

+5 V is normal for a Computer based DRE 50,000 Volts to suppress free speech.

Cleo, thank you.
Thuggery aside, how would have Kerry's security force respond to this?
Is this not a response to a possible threat?
Please respond.

The kid was a loudmouth. And that is legal, protected by the Constitution. NO threat to Kerry, but something of a threat to the lies running this country... not even that, though, since nobody listens anyway, least of all to a loudmouth. If the kids in the room wanted him quiet they could have booed him down. If Kerry couldn't handle it verbally, he could have simply left. The kid did nothing wrong, just a bit rude, which, I reapeat, is NOT illegal.

THE COPS HAD NO BUSINESS TOUCHING HIM.

Senator Kerry did indeed say," Wait, let me answer that" as in the broadcast reviews.
I'm asking, how should a top politician be protected from any arm-flailing person?
Should we dismiss protection of our politicians for a tirade that might injure our speakers of justice?

What was the threat, Jill? The guy might have "thrown the book at him"?

Now there's an idea

I've posted some of my further thoughts as an UPDATE to the original item. They mirror some of Agent 99's thoughts above.

The student got more punishment for asking questions than Blackwater got or gets for killing innocent Iraqi's. Seems like a police state to me.

BTW, I received an email in my bulk file from a "haas" saying "this is a warning". I did not open it and deleted it before realizing the name was familiar...anyone else get one?

Not to make excuses for the student body, i keep reading about how people are upset that no one in the audience of students came to the kids aid. Kerry did squat. 6 police officers armed with tazers acting aggressively paints an ugly but very intimidating picture.

What is an unarmed group of probably scarred 20 yr olds that came to hear one of the biggest disgraceful enabler tools of the 21st century for the criminal cheney/bushit administration gonna do? The campus pigs were armed. The audience watched in horror as the police violently tazer an unarmed student who's approach could be conceived as disruptive. In the moment, kerry just ignores the situation hoping it blows over fast so he doesn't have to answer the kid's questions.

It should be noted that his questions should be of interest to ALL AMERICANS and that boy's efforts of prosecutor-like questioning reflect his passion as a real patriot angry about what's going on in his/our country and wants ANSWERS. We're at war people and that 2004 elections was rigged in 4 swing states.

After watching the kid being tazered plays out, the collective conscience of students in the audience then take a hint from the response of senator kerry who is the paid speaker well trained in damage control at speaking engagements by not allowing the "disruptive" incident to become the focus of his speaking experience. What a FRIGIN loser.

The loudmouth kid was one of our speakers of justice.

{Comment deleted. No personal, ad hominem attacks against other commenters, even if they are Don Haas/OMSMedia. --- BF}

This really isn't a freedom of speech issue. The kid pretty obviously wasn't being harassed for what he said, but how he said it. He cut to the front of the line and gathered the attention of the cops overseeing the event. Then he spoke for longer than the organizers would have liked, and probably diverted the conversation from what the event organizers would have liked.

Freedom of speech, like all rights in the constitution, is a negative right. Event organizers can regulate speech in their events however they choose.

Of course, this does not excuse the cops at all. The first thing they should have said was something like "You're now trespassing on a private event. Leave now or we'll remove you". Grabbing him and eventually tasering him was obscene, and a good example of how police action often escalates violence.

This kid is a hero.

Kerry, either a wimp or a fool.

Although just imagine how disastrous a Kerry presidency would have been, if only because congress would never let him get anything done, the media would savage him, and the Neocons/Blackwater would let fly with the false flag "terrorist" attacks to drive everyone back to them. kerry had neither the spine or the perception to stop the machine from crushing him.

As sad as that may be.

The campus police were clearly out of line here. The student broke the rules of a forum by filibustering. It is acceptable to me the the forum leaders chose to cut off his mic. However, Kerry agreed to break the forum rules to allow this student to continue his line of questioning. The campus police chose to physically assault this student regardless for the seemingly "threatening" aspect of showing disappointed emotion. I am very angry about this incident because the "motivation" for security to use excessive force is getting increasingly slight.

For the record only 2 cops tried to stop him from what was an abusive speech disguised as questions. He then danced away from them like a smart assed idiot. RIGHT there he was resisting what the officers wanted. Then more cops appeared when he wasn't stopping. The cops came in after he gave a full blown, idiotic speech, rather than just ask a question or two.

Then when then had him down he still would not stop making a scene. They said "Hands behind your back" and what did he say?

He said, "FUCK YOU"

So I don't believe any of the shit people are saying about his freedom of speech being violated. He got to talk more than anyone there. People also have a right to a decent, clean and calm discussion. He was clearly trying to bash. He was asking for it when he danced around and thought he was so clever and sayd FU to the cops.

Kitty says:

I first saw this on CNN. Then I went to Youtube because I saw that so many people were video taping.

I am stunned that the police did what they did. Why? What did he do wrong?

I am stunned that Kerry continued on as if nothing untoward was happening. I am stunned at all of the other people who just sat there as if this was nothing unusual.

I am horrified at some of the comments made after the Youtube videos saying that the police should accidentally shoot him and all other liberals.

Watch the top video from across the room at the beginning when he tells Kerry he won the 2004 election. From that angle you can clearly see the guy in the suit, who later gives the "cut the mic" sign leans in and whispers something to the short security guard who asks the kid to get to the question. At the point that "Mr. Suit" whispers to the guard, the kid has been talking less than 30 seconds. His first 10 seconds had been to thank Mr. Kerry for his time that day, as the kid was the last questioner. The short guard and "Mr. Suit" have a few more exchanges as the excited kid begins to roll, then as soon as the word "BLOWJOB" is spoken, "Mr. Suit" gives the throat slash signal. Then immediately after cutting the mic, both guards grab the kid from each side. No one asks him to leave. No one orders him to leave. He is grabbed by two guards and they try to walk him up the isle. Ask yourself this.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? I can't say, as I have never been in that situation, but I doubt I would just let two security guards put their hands on me for no reason. I would have probably gone to jail just like so many others recently.

Reverend at the General P & Crooker show.
People legally placing signs for a anti war rally.
Man who hung and upside down flag on his porch.
Lady wearing an anti war t-shirt at Scooter hearing.
Man placing an Impeach! sign on the side of a road.
Kid asking John Kerry some really good questions. All arrested. How many others? Why?

Who is "Mr. Suit"?
Why was he so quick to get the guards involved?
Where there two guards posted behind every questioner or just this kid?
When did we become a police state?
What will you do when they put their hands on you?

Phil asks @ #9 who the 'MAN' in the suit is.

It's the Politburo, your not supposed to see him, he's a ghost don't you know.

If one thinks we don't have one here...well

I think this is the most important YOUTUBE video so far this year, and it's a horror. A horror compounded by ALL DAY coverage (as Brad points out), round-the-clock bullsh*&t that NEVER CITES THE DAMN QUESTION~! This has me floored! Even Olberman failed MISERABLY, citing this as A FREE SPEECH ISSUE, and then ignoring the context--the very question we've been DYING to hear that sun-uv-a-bitch answer for 3 years! Then Rachel Maddox (?) goes on to call the kid an "agitated loudmouth"...WHY is he agitated? Knowing two presidential elecctions have been stolen will do that to you.

...no news on that. Tyrranous. Trecherous.

(Thanks Phil--I had completely missed the suit. Keen eye...)

To all you republicans who cry about people pointing out voting inconsistencies - you better be ready to lose the stolen election of 2008 to Shillary Clinton.

While one might argue he should not have been tazered, what is not arguable is why he was: NOT for asking a question but for resisting arrest. I have no doubt that if he had walked outside with the police as they attempted to arrest him he would not have been tazered. So let's keep the eye on the ball and stop being incredible losers.

is it just me, or was the audience cheering in delight at the abuse of their fellow student?

if so, then my how college students have changed in the last 30-40 years!

#29--he didn't say "f*** you" that i heard, anyway. what i heard was, "get the f*** off of me" after numerous times of saying "get off me".

#29 again--someone should have tasered cheney when he said the f word because cheney was asking for it?

www.ThankYouAndrewMeyer.wordpress.com

I found Andrew Meyer to very respectful when he asked Senator John Kerry the question. I was so impressed by how he exercised freedom of expression about an issue of global importance that I started a blog to express my appreciation of it (above). Blind and mindless fear of authority is the root of all evil. Andrew Meyer asked a question that the corrupt mainstream war-profiteering media utterly failed to properly address. Furthermore, as many have pointed out here --- even after the taser attack by security thugs, the overwhelmingly fascist media continued to fail to at least quote the question that Andrew Meyer had the moral fortitude and courage to ask.

I'm so glad to see Dem is running against the Aloof Horse face (kerry) in 2008 . . .

If you have the time, watch the video of the Florida student incident about 20 times. Turn off the audio and watch. You will begin to see some interesting details not obvious to a person overcome with emotions seeing it for the first time. There are a couple of angles being shot from other spots around the room that fill in parts not seen.

If you have the time, close your eyes and just listen to the audio. Pick out the different voices and follow them through. Listen to Kerry in the background a couple of times through. He droned throughout the entire incident as if he were hypnotizing the crowd. His remarks were very strange.

Watch the girl cop at the beginning. See how she looks over to take her cue to make her move. Why were cops standing five feet behind the student? Did you see her wag her finger like a mother at the student laying on his back to stop resisting? Did you see how she waited until the fellow was lifted up so she could angle the taser under his right shoulder blade next to his spine and close enough to the heart to cause a heart attack.

Did you see part 2 when the officers whisked him down stairs? He was not the victim of electric shock. He was not in shock. He was excited by the impact of his improvisation. He was working like the devil to keep the drama going because his mates were running low on creative juices. They didn't know what to do. This was nothing more than street theater.

The last thing anyone would suspect is that Kerry himself might be playing his part in the prank. IF that were true, how pissed off would you be? Kerry played a prank on the entire country once before, why would he not play the same roll again? Maybe he needed a little skull and bonesman kind of fun.

What was he doing in Florida talking to students for two hours about anyway? Why was he visiting that university over all the others?

Something was amusing to the surrounding students. Is it possible that the students who were laughing and sitting without reaction was because they knew this fellow to be a trickster? Did they clap for the cops because they knew it was just another scene this fellow was making to get attention? If they thought it was serious, then people would have come to his rescue. There was no reason to think the questions coming from this guy were unusual or particularly challenging. Nor would it have been odd for him to have set up his own cast of characters to pounce on him.

It's the beginning of new school year. Big dares are posed. Big gambles are made. Big points are earned.

People want to believe the worst about cops and taser guns. If I were a senior trying to make a splash, I would take the dare to exploit people's gullibility's too. Have you ever known anyone who got a kick out of making everyone hot under the collar?

Ed O'Reilly is running against Mr Ed . . . . . it may be a long shot . . .

I am a 67 year old retired businessman ... who served four years in the US Army Paratroops. I am also well educated in Constitutional history and law. What the U of Florida video "said" to me is horrifying! Our youth have become absolutely totally mindfucked sheep, excepting those miniscule few such as Andrew Meyer, who demonstrated his Citizen's outrage at the coordinated government (all levels) Constitutional perversion being perpetrated.

Mr. Meyer has authentic "balls". Had another 6-8 in the audience immediately sprung to his physical defense as fellow Citizens, the outcome would have definitely been far far different! Think about that as you read this short missive! The miserable bastards running this government know that there are not enough unthinking cops, nor military forces to subdue an aroused population ... simply look at Iraq for God's sake!

I see nothing less than mass refusal to accept government BS as the only means to prevent the literal physical enslavement of the majority! It's time to wake up from the illusion that freedom requires nothing more than emotional flapping of one's lips ... ya' gotta actually DO SOMETHING! When "they" hit you, tase you, shoot you for no-thing more than being a concerned Citizen you have a Citizen's Constitutional duty to do likewise to "them" ... what da' fuck do ya' think our Revolution against King George was all about in the first place?

look. the kid didn't need to be tasered. ok, thats been established. Tasers aren't personal deterrents, where you pull one if someone is getting unruly. They're weapons, designed to be nonlethal, but people die from them, because they use potentially fatal levels of electricity. They are weapons. Not tools, not something designed to make a cop's job easier. Police have been too taser happy. Where before, a policeman would have to physically engage a person with backup, now they just give a command, and then a warning, and then taser someone. That is ethically irresponsible, if not outright inhumane. Pain or compliance? Is this what America has become? That young man was talking. Last I heard, words did not usually threaten the lives of police officers or politicians. The use of exotic nonlethal weaponry to inflict pain as punishment for disturbing the peace?? And yet some on here will say "He should have complied with the Police orders." That is correct, 80% of the time, but this was an inappropriate use of force. And that kid had the right to say what he was saying.

Wow. Fantastic quips on this blog here. My opinion? Let’s look at the big picture. The “kid” did great with his bit about the elections asking Kerry why he didn’t stand up for his obvious win. And the part about the voting machines. But at the end of his questioning he began falling all over himself, not allowing Kerry to answer (politics can do that to you, I know this from personal experience). Just such emotionality always opens the door for the cop-demons to come in and try to possess you. The problem for them is they can only possess the body not the soul (a larger metaphor for what the government can and can’t do to all of us). This kid who spoke up has a lot of guts and we need 10,000 like him. We all need to speak up in this same spirit (not neccesarily the same methodology). What the kid had to say was intelligent if he’d just gotten by the anger. But I understand. I’m angry at these gatekeeper clowns too. I’m angry at the whole rotten conspiracy that’s been going for the last seven years. No small wonder the media didn’t air the kid’s questions. The first thing that came to my mind when I saw stalinist fox press censored version was: what did he do (not say) to warrant this?! Then, later on, on this site I saw the whole video from the beginning. It was much more horrifying seeing it in its etirety. The “kid” was clearly getting tazered and Kerry just stands there almost sadistically, pretending that nothing is going on, continuing to “answer” his question. How about stopping someone from being tortured right in front of you, asshole!
But let’s look at this collectively as well. This is really a metaphor for our nation now: Fascism is breathing down all our necks and so many of us pretend that the problem isn’t there. It’s all about me instead of we. So many of us need to get our heads out of our asses.The fact that everyone just stood there was awful. That whole audience should’ve bum rushed the cops.I would love to have seen that - mark my words it will happen eventually. But revolutions don’t always start like that. A few loud voices can get the ball rolling.
Good news: ball is starting to roll.
The kid clearly resisted arrest. Glad he did. Because since when has freedom of speech been an arrestable offense? (since George Cunt Jr. I guess). I mean really. I don’t see that anywhere in our constitution.
So there is a good side to all this. All the crap we’ve endured since 2000 under the fuhrer-decider’s reign is now re-surfacing karmically to exact justice on him/them: namely the people asking questions and speaking up. Once the cops tazered the kid, that was it. WE not only have a human rights abuse court win, we have a door that just opened. You can’t torture Iraqis but love your own citizens. You can’t hate your neighbor and love yourself.
We can all speak up about this abuse of power and cower the pigs and their suit masters until the’re running back under their rocks. We can and we will. And by doing so, maybe end this era of terror, intimidation and fear that has enveloped our country like a plague from hell ever since the day that snake rolled his way into office on that horribly cold January day along with his new Reichstag fire plans seven years ago.

When the cops grabbed the kid, I’m glad he went a little ape shit. It was therapeutic for all of us, let’s admit it. Intimidation and fear lasts but so long. Eventually someone expresses themselves and tells a pig to fuck off on national tv!!? We can all do that.Damn right we can (as long as were willing to endure some pain). The kid took the hit for all of us. Thank him.I think this needed to happen for the nation to see. And I believe we are starting to. Things I think are FINALLY changing. we’re not out of the woods yet, but I’m starting to see some trails. A new generation is rising up. We confront pigs, we confront liars, we confront ignorance in any form.But we aren’t violent, just vociferous. We are not beholden to the left or the right. Those are mere labels. We are awakened human beings, and that is enough.

I live in New Zealand and I have to say Im glad I live in a country where freedom of speech is real. It is a sad state when America punishes speech makers with violence. Unfortunately looking from the outside in, I can only see things getting worse and that can only lead to a big downfall. This kind of thing is why the rest of the world no longer respects America. Isn't this the kind of oppression that America invades other countries to overthrow?

Up until the time I was about 30, I looked up to the US, as a bastion of freedom, where someone could think what they pleased, start any business they wanted, and openly proclaim their political views without the government being able to do much about it. I wanted to move to one of its great cities.
Its the last place I'd want to live now (and I wouldn't want to live in the UK either, with its millions of police cameras on every lamp post and street corner).
I always find it odd that people complain about the incompetence and arrogance of government workers (at the drivers license office, the passport office, land registry office, tax office). Yet when it comes to police, FBI, CIA they (in the right wing mind) all of a sudden become these super-intelligent, super-kind, super-dutiful, super-duper-good superhero government workers....do you not realize that these are those same incompetent and arrogant government workers, the only difference being they have far more power over you? Why do right-wingers always feel that these enforcement professions are above accountability?? Why does the right always want to give the government more and more unaccountable police powers??
Think about this scenario which might not be as far in the future as you might think:
You right-wingers get what you want which is that law enforcement has all the power it wants, they can watch whoever they want, follow their movements, track them, take them away in the dark of night without having to tell anyone. That's what you folks want right? Sure they'll deal with all the criminals and 'terrorists'. Who ever they say is a criminal will be a criminal. No nasty open courts to get in the way of these good officers. How does that affect you?
Well, I hope you don't have some pretty daughter, sister, aunt, cousin, mother, etc. that one of those good honest officers takes a strong liking to, because she just might end up all-of-a-sudden being a 'criminal' or 'terrorist' in their estimation, needing to be hauled away...that's even if they inform you of it. But all enforcement people are good and honest and would NEVER do that. They would never track and follow someone for those reasons. They're super-special people, not ordinary folk like you and me. Your daughters and wives are perfectly safe.

I feel sorry for americans and the brits right now. I'm just glad I'm not one of them.

Funny how the mainstream media left out the part where he asked about Skull and Bones which was the very last question he asked before they moved in on him.

I have lectured successfully at many universities across the USA. Notre Dame, NYU, Florida International, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State, Montana State, Idaho, Utah, etc.
What you ALL must understand is this. ALL those universities are financed by FEDERAL FUNDS! If a campus allows too much freedom by a student such as Andrew Meyer, that campus may forfeit those Fed Funds.
I was invited to a campus to speak on my exciting topic of ET LIFE in the past. The administration of that school objected concerning my topic of alien life being on earth!The student activities committee won out and I spoke to an overwhelming audence when I appeared.
Now, I am barred from speaking on campuses for the past 15 years. Why? Because I KNOW THE TRUTH!
YOUR so-called government is hiding VERY IMPORTANT Cosmic information from ALL OF YOU! WISE UP!
Open: www.stargate-chronicles.com
Clark, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC, Florida

No doubt, more soldiers died in Iraq yesterday.
DREs are still counting our votes.
Trolls are still trolling.
The Fed cut rates by 1/2 point, hopefully this will help some folks having problems.

And Britney Spears has been ordered to undergo random drug testing!

Ok...

""" The kid was a loud mouthed punk, who rudely cut in front of dozens of students. Police were already aware he might make a spectacle of himself...that's why they're so close to him as he begins to speak. Organizers allowed the rude punk to speak, even though he cut in front of others to do so. Instead of being polite and respectful of rules, and merely asking a question, he executed his plan in glorious fashion, saying some of the things far-left activists everywhere wish they could say with a mike in front of an audience. He went on and on and on - he couldn't care less about the answers IMO, all he cared about was his glorious moment.

Organizers cut the mike long after it became clear that the rude punk had a pre-planned glorious moment in mind. Police began to calmly escort the rude punk to the back, and the rude punk began yelling "help!" even though unreasonable force was not being used to escort him to the back.

And then the glorious moment he had in mind became even more glorious as he was wrestled to the floor, and eventually tasered for, I guess, resisting arrest. The rude punk becomes an overnight sensation, will be appearing on CNN, and is probably laughing his ass off on just how well his pre-planned moment in the sun turned out.

Sorry, no victim here, move along. I agree with Joseph Cannon on this one...the punk got exactly what he deserved, but also exactly what he wanted. """

However...

If this was the year 2000, I'd probably be finished speaking my mind about it. However, this is 2007, Bush is still president, the country is FUBAR, the world is going FUBAR, and I suppose in this day and age where so many people are so upset over what is happening, that maybe the only way for a little guy to get a message heard is to become a rude punk and steal the moment.

In summary...

Wrong messenger - he pre-planned his moment in the sun.
So-so message - the Skull and Bones part ruined it.
Wrong tactic - but perhaps no choice these days.

John

Censorship in Action:

Compare the quote from the CNN report:

"You will take my question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours," Meyer told Kerry, according to the police report of the incident.

... with what he actually says in the video:

I'll ask my question thank you very much. I'll ask my question. I'm gonna preface it. He's been talking for two hours, I think I can have two minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Alright, I gonna ask you my question, I'm gonna.. I'm gonn inform people and then I'm gonna ask you my queston.

The CNN report would make you believe that the problem got out of hand at this point, when in fact a female police officer asked him to get on and ask the question which he does pretty quickly. CNN has a version of this very short video, which is edited to cut out this bit. I think they are worse than Fox News.

As soon as he talks about the Skull and Bones Secret Society that he was a member of, with George Bush the microphone is cut and he is arrested.

There is something rotten in America.

Download the video from YouTube, while it is still up there.

John, if you can spare 3 minutes and 30 seconds then look at the unedited video. The kid was not rude. He was asking tough questions that needed to be answered. It's called 'Democracy'. Your fixation on 'politeness' distracts you from the substance of the matter.

The cops are doing their job to stop a slightly loud questioner. If 1 person gets slightly loud then another could get loud and this could lead to more speaking up and asking uncomfortable questions. This is dangerous for the state.

In the US they arrest demonstators or they have these wimpy designated areas. It is a total joke. Freedom is on the way out in the USA and judging by the audience most of them are happy about it.

This was also what first came to my mind whilst I watched with disgust as NOBODY did anything to stop this fascism. First they came for....

I am appaled at the number of scum that are defending and even applauding this brutality.....for what? For trying to ask a question? WTF?

I saw the video, and it's pretty simple: the cops shouldn't have tasered the kid. They had him under control without tasering him, it was unnecessary, and I think cops should either have tasers taken from them, or there should be a review of how they are using them to excess. This kid posed no threat, and tasering was unnecessary.

Anyone disagree? I'd like to taser you, then!

There's been a lot of talk about politeness.

The struggle for democracy wasn't won by people politely asking their masters for the vote. The problems that that kid alluded to won't poltely go away either. He's right to be direct. He's a patriot. I wish my kids were like that! I wish I was like that when I was his age!

What America needs are more men and less sheep.

When did our politicians get to a point that they have to be protected by force from anyone that has a difficult, controversial, or even ridiculous question?
Our politicians have earned the right to only be asked softball questions?

Our politicians have reached a point that they can immediately summon armed thugs to remove anyone they or their 'handlers' has an issue with?

Folks, the kid is being used to taking your eye off of the real issue. I'm incredibly frightened that as a country we have reached a point where questions to politicians get you arrested or a differing view earns you a spot in a 'Free Speech' zone. As a result of this event, today there are politicians and handlers across the country trying to figure out how to even better insulate themselves from us...as if we need this.

Check out the MSNBC coverage of this event:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20835952/
MSNBC swift-boats this kid. I only wish the police hadn't dragged him off and we could have heard Kerry's lame-ass response to his on-the-money questions.
Garsh, one might think there's a conspiracy out tere.

Funny, when I went to college, we didn't have large groups of armed 'security' at presentation halls. When did this all change?

The Hippies had it right in the 60s-70s, the cops are PIGS, the polititians are PIGS, and this is flat out FASCISM.

What would have been the reaction if this kid had died from the taser? There was an article in yesterday's NY Times where a police officer volunteered to be a test subject for a taser shock...he wound up with fractures of the spine!!!!
They call these non-lethal weapons, but the last statistic I have seen show over 200 have died from these things. Next question...what about the next generation of so called "non-lethal weapons" that will be foisted upon us? Research the weapons that are being tested on the citizens of Iraq & Afghanistan, such as microwave weapons that can literally melt a person! When you do the research on some of the weapons being developed by the military you have to wonder what kind of sickos come up with these ideas? You need to look at the BIG picture beyond what happened with Mr. Meyer & realize that these weapons may be used against you someday for speaking your mind. Remember the 6 year old in Florida who was tasered for being a 6 year old and being unruly. What is that child had died? Where is the outrage over the use of these weapons against the average citizen?>

"progressives" always ignore the election fraud in Seattle/King County (where verfied empty ballot boxes and locked ballot cages coughed up Dem votes no less than 3 times!) while focusing on "long line" disenfranchisement in Ohio and purging felons from voter rolls in Florida. Probably because militant-leftist Seattle was already in Kerry's pocket?

It's a good thing these authoritarian types weren't around in the 60s. If they had, we would still be in Viet Nam and civil rights would still be a dream.

Kerry lost any chance he had for my vote with this shocking display. His inaction demonstrates an incredible lack of character.

Kerry should have been the first one telling the cops to back-off. This young man had done his homework and was asking serious questions. He deserved neither restraint nor Tasering.

I too, would like to know why Kerry basically gave-up without any struggle in 2004. Was it for the same reason democrats won't now begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney?

This morning on the propagandist paul harvey show he claims that this was all a big practical joke. paul harvey is smoking crack if he thinks this is true. The police state is among us and we need to stand up and fight for our rights.

Welcome to the land of the free.

I have been to many public talks by all kind of people on all sorts of subjects. Inevitably at these events, after the speech, there are questions from the audience and there is almost always one slightly overly passionate questioner. (Sometimes they are in favour of the speaker, sometimes they are openly hostile) The speaker can handle these angry people by accepting the question and answering it and asking the questioner to use their passion in a positive way.

This young man was no different and asked legitimate questions. The response from the police/campus security was utterly staggering in it's gross abuse of power.

These (so-called) officers should be sacked and never be allowed to wear a uniform again. This young man did NOTHING that deserved this kind of response. NOTHING.

This video is being broadcast and spread all over the world. It shows the United States to be no more a guarantee of freedom of speech, than the old Soviet Union.

Those guys make Putin look liberal. You cannot lecture and wage war around the world in pursuit of freedom, whilst treating your own citizens in such a disgusting manner.

I cannot believe the amount of people that have been openly supportive of the officers in this case. These kind of people do not wish to live in a free country, but in a nation suppressed into passive obedience to the state. Where the population is bullied into submission to be forced to comply with an "acceptable, state mandated" version of reality, where genuine evidence matters less than proclamation from on high and where you may never ever question authority.

Bow down before your masters, you are not a free people, you are little more than serfs!

Courageous people that get the opportunity should ask the same questions wherever Kerry appears and ask WHY he conceded. Point out that the election was stolen. Point out the MASSIVE disenfranchisement in Ohio. Point out the MASSIVE evidence in Greg Palast's book "Armed Madness". See if they are also silenced. Perhaps there would be a pattern?

The fascists in control do not want you to know the truth. We need to make this evident.
Thank you Andrew.

Join in the revolution now that all of the Consitution has been violated or upended

Police today are using Tazers for PUNISHMENT. When a person does not obey the cops INSTANTLY, then the cops today, rather than simply placing hands on the person and didrecting them away from the scene, use Tazers to force a ' change in attitude '.

It is clear: The cops want to torture, using Tazers, the people into never resisting. The cops in the old days just took ahold of people, supposedly using MINIMUM force, and did their jobs in removing or arresting a person. But today, they expect you to submit totally and if you do not, they shock you until you DO comply fully.

Cops do NOT want to place themselves near a citizen unless they have overwhelming numbers of cops,or unless you are totally subdued and cannot possible resist. Thats why cops make people lay face down on the hot paveement spread eagled; the cops are trained to treat us like militray prisoners. Cops today want no risk for themselves, and will use that desire for total safety to make us slaves who instantly obey any order they give. It is a sick reality.

In the old days, a cop would grab you and use as much force as needed to arrest you. Now, they grab you with a Tazer if you show any ' attitude ', and they do not see us as human beings with inalienable Constitutional rights, but as ' civilians ' , a lesser segment of society; it's US and THEM, and thats the way the cops like it. We are treated as subjects, mere bodies to be moved around and shocked and beaten like animals.

It would be illegal to Tazer an animal; there would be an outcry if some cop Tazered some old rich white womans poodle; but humans get no sympathy.

What to do? Sue em. Thats all you can do really.

After reading through all the posts, I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that the student is a journalism student. He is supposed to ask these type of questions, just like any other journalist.

http://www.youtube.com/w...mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0bpaWuZbg

By the way there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

Check of Ron Paul.

No coincidence on oj resurfacing to move our fascist state along. Ministry of Magic cleaners hard at work again.

After reading through all the posts, I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that the student is a journalism student. He is supposed to ask these type of questions, just like any other journalist.

http://www.youtube.com/w...mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0bpaWuZbg

By the way there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

Seattle Patriot should not bring up Washington State's 2004 election, since there is ample proof here that the Rethuglicans stole five hundred TIMES as many votes in Washington as might have been "found" for Democrats.

Go shill someplace else Seattle "Patriot."

Let's Just Taser All The Friggin Students
(satire)

I am also disturbed by the lack of outcry over the use of a taser on a student. Tasers are only to be used for law enforcement self-defense, not crowd control. People die from being tasered. It happens every year.

Plan A for freedom, liberty & a nation of laws OF, BY & FOR the PEOPLE is our 1st Amendment, that is why it is first in the original. If Plan A fails, and we are silenced by public servants, including "law enforcement" officers who are sworn to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights, see Plan B: our Second Amendment. The 2nd Amendment follows the 1st, because without the 1st Amendment rights be upheld and exercised, We are no longer free.

I know I have seen this guy on the internet before.Or someone who looks and acts a lot like him.
Anyhow,I didn't see what the problem with his questions was.When the woman cop or rent-a-cop started to grab him he was annoyed and it reflected in his voice,as it would in yours or anyone else's when you are talking and someone starts harassing you. Seems there are some people shillin for the NWO here. No one was in danger of this guy and as far as Jill and her flailing arm lunatic crap it is laughable.Jill you have the right to resist unlawfull arrest. And this was as unlawfull as it gets.The rent-a-cops and the campus cops should all be charged with assault and fired on the spot.They all took (the cops anyway)oath to protect the constitution and when they violated this guys constitutional rights they violated that oath.

couple of quotes for you that think its all just a joke.

Hold on my friend to the constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster. What has happened once in Six Thousand Years may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be Anarchy throughtout the World.

There is no Nation on Earth powerful enough to accomplish our over throw. Our Destruction, should it come, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concern's of their own Government. From their carelessness and neglegance. I must confess I do aprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicite a confidence in their public servants. And fail properly to scrutenize their conduct that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men and become the instruments of their own undoing.
Quote's by Daniel Webster

"When peaceful protest becomes impossible, violent protest is inevitable."---- J.F.K.

Terrorism:"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons

David Rockefeller trilateral commission founder.
We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times,Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of dicretion for almost forty years.
It would have been impossible for us to develope our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now much more sophisticated and Prepared to march towards a world government.
The Supernational sovereignty of an intellectual Elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries. 1991

Strobe Talbot Former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State.
In the next century,Nations as we know it will be obsolete:all states will recognize a single,global authority.National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all.1992

Arthur Schlesinger U.S. historian.
We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as word's and money.

From some of the horses mouths,gettin the picture yet?

Wonderfully thoughtful assessment of the incident by Rachel Maddow over at the Democratic Underground. It's actually a 6-minute video from Keith Olbermann's Countdown right there on the main page. Not sure this crowd would agree with her, but if any of you would like another take, then please...check it out!

Kerry should have been tasered instead. Maybe that would get a reaction from him.

As I see it, if you know that the election was stolen and that Skull and Bones is scary, then you probably know that the police can be brutal without cause. In this case there was clearly no need to use the taser, but you have to be pretty stupid to try to escape from the clutches of the cops. Does anyone remember the shocking incident (pun intended) at UCLA where the kid was shocked multiple times, to the point where he couldn't even stand up, then shocked again BECAUSE he couldn't stand up, but he didn't try to escape or do anything at all provocative. That kind of action by police in the past would lead me to think that even the slightest provocation is dangerous to the provocateur out of all proportion to the gravity of the provocation.

As for the cops stepping in to cut off his question, that should be even less shocking to all of you here at Bradblog.

Finally, the fact that no one stepped in to help, while infuriating, is understandable. Crazy as it sounds, most people actually trust the cops wholeheartedly (unless they are speeding down the highway)...more the pity.

This was a staged event and a Psy-Op (psychological operation). Period.

The event was intended to craftily draw attention to Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse", a clever and insidious tool of disinformation, providing many truths of voter fraud, etc., while mixing in lies about who was behind 9-11, in the hopes that readers will believe it all.

This orchestrated event was conducted so that, sometime in the future, those already skeptical of the government's misbehavior involving voting fraud would also go along with Palast's absurd and outrageous claims:

Not only did Osama proudly proclaim his success (more than he'd even expected!), but "Al Qaeda" used a phony network of Islamic youth groups to cover their terrorist activities. If it's said by America's Number One investigative journalist (as evidenced by his presence on the NY Times best-seller list), it must be true, right??

This all falls right in line with the long-term agenda to convince the ignorant that Islam and Muslims are to blame for the events of 9-11, diverting their attention away from the real criminals and perpetrators or 9-11.

{Ed Note: Sorry, but that website doesn't look anything but brand new and you shouldn't be giving out email addresses of other people, let alone ones that might not even be real... not here anyway. --99}

Might we see more attention drawn to "Armed Madhouse" in the future?

Might future readers of "Armed Madhouse" be fooled to go along with Palast's (and the government's) lies that indeed, Osama and his followers were behind 9-11?

and notice how much Mr. Meyer was waving that book around like a flag!

Ish: while you are likely correct about 9/11 and Palast almost certainly wrong about it, how the hell can you say that this was some kind of Psy Op? Maybe it was just a practical joke. Maybe he tried to get that to happen so he can laugh at everyone who takes this seriously Maybe he craves attention and wants to see himself on the news. In any case, there is a bit of a distinction between prankster to agent of evil government.

As for Greg Palast, whether or not he is an agent isn't really the issue, his work is good, and he has helped uncover tons of stuff we wouldn't know about otherwise. If people are reading his book, then they are probably open minded enough to read other sources. You could just as easily say that Mike Ruppert is an agent for oil companies because while he takes on 9/11 truthfully, that Peak Oil is scam and therefore he must be an agent. Silly logic my friend, and not likely to gain a lot of respect here. After all, sometimes people just get things wrong.

Look, there are clues in this video about why no one did anything, and that confirms reports of what happened before the video. After the man is lead away from the microphone, the entire audience claps. They are applauding the fact that they got this guy away from the microphone. Look at the reactions on the face of the people in the audience as he's asking his questions. Everyone in that audience thought that guy was an asshole, and wished they would arrest him. Unfortunately, everyone also starts feeling bad when a taser is pulled out and used, but think about the alternative. If they didn't have tasers, and needed to get him under control, they'd have been beating him with sticks, or possibly pointing guns in his face. I'll take a tazing. Of course, I'm a rational person, so I wouldn't be a jerk about my questions, cut other people off at the microphone, or other things he did to get himself into that situation. This guy was probably not unknown to the campus police, which is why they were so ready to take him out of the room.

Conclusions: YouTube videos are not all inclusive. You can't judge an entire situation by the content of one video. You also shouldn't be upset because someone was tazed, just because you think that maybe you identify with that person. These security guards were not "out to get him" and were using the correct methods to subdue an uncooperative person. Had he just walked out with them and kept himself under control, he would not have been hurt.

Blame anyone but the cops who did it?

Grizzly Bear got tazered ... there is righteous taze and lefteous taze

These are taze daze in bedazzled amurka.

I'm with Dazzle. While it boggles my mind that Palast, of all people, could still buy into the official 9-11 story, alleging "Armed Madhouse" is deliberate disinfo is downright wacky. Palast has done more to expose the neocon election stealing machine than anyone (except maybe Brad Friedman.) "Armed Madhouse" would be a quite different book if it was deliberate disinfo written by someone like, say, Thor Hearne or Ken Blackwell or Mikel Haas.

Palast is one of the good guys, simple as that. It's just he, like Bill Maher, is one of these people who cannot accept that our own government would carry out 9-11. It is indeed hard to accept because it requires you throw away everything you think you know about human nature and the war on terror and things you've believed for years. It also requires you to comprehend that on some level, certain persons in our government are in bed with al Qaeda. (Hint: what presidential family has been in business with the bin Ladens for decades?)

If Palast and Maher spent 10 minutes talking to 9-11 hero and whistle-blower Willie Rodriguez, maybe they'd finally Get It. Note to Greg: come towards the light, my friend. Talk to the hundreds of WTC eyewitnesses who heard/saw the thermate charges going off and heard the demolition countdown at WTC 7.

Few believed there could be a massive conspiracy to rig US elections just a few years ago; and now this is pretty much universally accepted by progressives and even some a good chunk of the mainstream. 9-11 is all part and parcel of the same thing--the rape and plunder of America by the neocons. It is in fact their entire power source. That's why it needs to be looked at critically. Who benefits? Detective work 101, Palast.

I work tirelessly for election reform, and don't blame John Kerry for conceding, and every other big and little thing. A heretic to the election reform movement, I know.

For those of us who work non-stop on election reform, and know the difficulties of evidence, especially electronic evidence of totals switching somewhere and anywhere, that all elections are gamed, manipulated by media, that we needed outcome altering proof, and we couldn't put back the totals that walked away, why then do we park our brains when discussing John Kerry? Just because we wish he were president.

Many will tell you we need to solve these problems before an election.

Well into Bush's second term did we begin to see real regret and reconsideration of that vote. The result of Democrats not supporting the election as surrogates, protecting the vote, not sensing the need for change enough to support, but instead waiting for 2008. We'd have needed them for any challenge.

As much as we love Greg Palast, sometimes his numbers and conclusions are meant more to incite than are fair or attributable. We don't need fair as much as his investigation with our current media.

Despite the cottage industry of Kerry haters and writers over the concession subject, the result would be the same. I call the election death by a thousand cuts and untraceable.

We're seeing the Taser Event facts though our angry filter. The woman who filmed spoke to CNN about a different event than what we're imagining because of a bias. She recalls Kerry very much trying to stop the police, answer the questions, in what has become more an issue of police force, not free speech of a deliberate prankster. Managing the event out of camera range to this well-publicized end.

The tasering was out of view, in the back of the hall. I add that Kerry has hearing loss due to Vietnam.

Kerry is one of our few advocates who enjoys the questioning and does it well and honestly. He works with grassroots and remembers how the Vietnam War ended and Clean Air Act was founded: all by protest.

This was more about Andrew Meyer, his continued efforts to draw attention to himself, on his website and with other pranks, more than about our concerns. He should not be the poster boy we elevate over our internet.

Taking Kerry to task for this, and for an election subject he does answer - just not in the way to heal the hurt or in the same way we want to hear it, does harm to a man of integrity championing our causes, as well to the causes needing a champion.

We need to see the big picture, instead of marginalizing the very legislators and honorable good guys we need in so many fights.

Somebody needs to tell Mr. Meyers that this is 2007, not 1967. Your supposed to shut your piehole like a good little sheep. Your masters demand it.

Mr. 'Suit' is the government controller. He is a hand of the New World Order to make sure the politicians do their job lying and creating deception and propaganda. No truths may be spoken.
Americans have sold themselves out for cheap entertainment, pro 'sports' ,movie star scandals all to keep them dumb and ignorant. It is so incredibly obvious.
That no one in the crowd did not stand up for another human is appalling but not surprising, since most of these brats have been spoon fed since infancy.
America is finished, there will be a few kindred souls who will fight back, but the rest of the sheeple will knuckle under and sell their 'security' for 'liberty'.
The war on 'terror'is the war on you and I history repeats itself, too bad they only teach his story not history.

The good news is that UF students protested immediately and vigorously, just as UCLA students did last fall in the Powell Library incident, and are continuing to do so.

Search YouTube for "Taser," it's really eye-opening in several ways.

Every person at that meeting, every...single...one, needs to understand the very real risk they were needlessly placed in by the police. If all those people want to act like mindless sheep while lethal force weapons can be or are being deployed that's their choice...but it was in reality pretty stupid.

Instead of reacting like any sane people would when police are actively subduing a suspect, the crowd just sat there or made comments instead of immediately seeking protective cover.

Anytime police engage a suspect there is the potential for lethal force that can put the public at risk. People should never take police confrontations casually. It doesn't matter whether it's in the streets of a gang neighborhood or the staid lecture halls of academia...you could die from a stray bullet.

An officer could have fired a pistol and the bullet(s) could go into the crowd. Bullets can even pass through a "suspect" and then into the crowd. It's called collateral damage.

That very real risk exists each and every time police engage a suspect.

I've read that at least one officer pulled out a pistol: the kind that shoots real people-killing bullets. Even if they didn't actually unholster a gun, the deadly risk remained. Based on the officers using the Taser, and just how they applied it, I've got every confidence that had journalism student Meyers escaped their custody and ran out into the lecture hall, then at least one of those officers would have fired their .40cal or 9mm pistol to "subdue" him. Or, what if Meyers had managed to acquire one of the officer's pistols? Suspects have been known to do that. And, if one shot goes off, police often follow up with more.

Meanwhile, the crowd sits passively awaiting the stray bullet...and Darwinism gets another chance to cull the gene pool.

I would like to see the OMSMedia/Don Haas troll personally get a taste of being tasered by a cop. I am sure he, and others sympathetic to that viewpoint, would change their views if they did.

Bluebell (#49) -

If you're still reading this far down the thread, I noticed the CNN quote you mentioned last night, and that it didn't seem to match up with the video.

However, you'll note they are quoting from the Police Report, which I then went and read and found out that before the videos which we have all seen, Meyer had been half-escorted out by the police and that's when he said what they quoted.

After which, Kerry said he would take the guys questions after all (after he finished with the "final" question he had previously been answering).

So when the video starts, that part of the incident had already taken place. According to the police report, anyway.

Just FYI.

I was pondering what cultural and political parallels might be drawn between this incident and the shootings to death by the National Guard of the protesting students at Kent State University in 1970 when I came across this article describing your county's latest contribution to the welfare and happiness of the human race:

http://www.dailymail.co....2560&in_page_id=1965

The good news is that, because of such developments, the kind of bloody massacre that happened at Kent State is probably unlikely to happen again. The bad news is that if you are targeted by these new toys of the fascist state, you may actually pray for the deliverance of a bullet.

Dave-Comment #81 Even if everybody in the audience was clapping when Mr. Meyer was taken from the microphone and even if everyone in the audience thought he was an asshole and even if everyone wished that they would arrest him, how does that bear on the actions of the cops? A rational man would understand that the cops had no need or justification for assaulting him. A rational man would understand that that these thugs are a terrible drain on our economy as is almost anybody that works for caesar or anybody who profits from being cozy with Caesar. A rational man would understand that the first amendment does not have a politeness clause and that some people in an audience, at the VERY END OF THE EVENT, DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM BOISTEROUS QUESTIONS. A rational man would never assert that EVERYBODY in the audience was clapping and that EVERYBODY in the audience wanted him arrested without being there and without being omniscient. But, you are not a rational man.

LIBERTY MIKE

I'm often at debates and I know when people are "troublemakers" (at CNN puts it). That starts at around some minutes that don't end in a question. From the videos on youtube this guy could only speak without interruption for about 30 seconds, then managed to say something more, and is dragged away after one minute in total.

That's not troublemaking - and you must bear in mind that only TV journalists and politicians who appear often on the screen can say many important things in half a minute or a full minute - that requires training whereas "normal" citizens often get nervous when they have the mike.

It is unbelievable - the audience doing nothing, Kerrey doing nothing - did they all think meyers cried just "as a troublemaker"? (and even if someone cried without being hurt - how could you knoe that in advance?). its the duty of a politician and of all citizens to interfere.

by the way: in all case of debates I ever watched (or moderated) it was possible to settle even "troublemakers". when someone really speaks too long the audience's impatience is the best way to let him/her come to an end.

An amazing video. Just shows what free speech gets you in today's Amerika...the land of the tazers and home of the naive.

Disgusting what the police reaction was, but equally the non-reaction of Kerry. What the hell is he up there doing nothing about this unfolding incident.

It shows you again, how corrupt this Democratic party is from the top down. If it was Hillary, do you think she would have stepped in and stopped it? How about Edwards? Kucinich and certainly Paul would have said something...

What was Kerry afraid of? No threat to him...just a very honest, apparently too honest of a series of questions that most people would like to know...

Another disgusting chapter in the fall of the Amerikan Empire....

#65 patginsd

Courageous people that get the opportunity should ask the same questions wherever Kerry appears and ask WHY he conceded. Point out that the election was stolen. Point out the MASSIVE disenfranchisement in Ohio. Point out the MASSIVE evidence in Greg Palast's book "Armed Madness". See if they are also silenced. Perhaps there would be a pattern?

The fascists in control do not want you to know the truth. We need to make this evident.
Thank you Andrew.

I think your spot on Pat.

Everyone else,

Pat's got it. People like Pat are what BUILT AMERICA.

This is the way that it is going to have to be to FORCE the truth down the Corporate Media's throat. And also you'll want to do it when they are LIVE (come on you all know what a round satellite dish looks like, learn what it is if you don't) vs. just taking clips to edit later (those stupid expensive overweight cameras.) Otherwise they will edit out the sound-byte of questions like skull and bones, like so many here have already pointed out. Or any other topic they have blacklisted like they have on electronic voting machines.

We The People in order to for a more balanced Corporate Media are going to have to sign-up, join, enter, and lie about our topics up until the last moment, then spring hard questions on them while they have a live feed going. e.g. Sign up, to talk about OJ Simpson, then when the camera's are on you, ask about X, Y, and Z.

You can have fun with it too.

ex: It's serious what OJ Simpson did in Las Vegas, but don't you think that stealing elections electronically is more important than showing Brittney Spears child custody battle every night?

Come on you have all got to start doing this. They are not playing fair, why should we? We need our OWN media to spin the other way. (I still to this day do not understand why local progressive stations are using ABC news in between their hosts, why would you use local ABC news? Why Am I hearing ABC fricking news in between Randi Rhodes breaks?) That's why protecting things like the web from net neutrality, and keeping telcos from squashing public access. Without that, there's NOTHING LEFT to protect you. (Do you understand the seriousness of what I am saying?) Brainwashed sheep do not show up at free speech zones armed to the teeth like a swat team. You don't like the term "Brainwashed Sheep?" It's what you are. I think people are scared. The war, terrorism, fear thing has worked. But I am trying to tell you right now, you better be more scared of behaving the way you currently do, it has to change. You have to change. We as Americans need to start building things, manufacturing stuff, enough of this slave labor in China crap, we will not be able to take care of our selves if we keep on with this crap. It's a real possibility, our military could break, another nation could exploit that. You want your children drafted? You better wake up, and follow your heart, and not the brainwashed crap on TV! There are FIVE sources of TV, they are all corporate and DO NOT SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST. (Cough, that's your interest, MY interest, We The People's Interest, in case you missed it.) PBS is not "Public" it's CORPORATE. They spin things just the same as everyone else, except their bills are paid by the PUBLIC, you can't just show up at PBS with your local story. They don't do PEG programming willingly. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, PBS do not do (PEG) "Public, Educational and Government" programming willingly.

Think freeway blogging on steroids.
How many of you reading this have even freeway blogged? Have you? Don't lie. Why not? Scared to get your shoes dirty? Might get hurt with the zip stips? Might have to walk where there's trash on the ground? (What's with all that trash on the ground anyway? Does nobody care about America anymore? Stop thowing your damn mc donal crap out your fricking windows!)

Show up at the Good Morning X show, (where all the people have signs saying, "I love you grandma." ) But your sign is two sided, You show one side when they analyze you, but the other side when the camera and microphones are on you.

If two out of three people they want to interview change topic on them, they are going to have a bad day.

Be aware of your surroundings, if your at an event and an army of riot cops start surrounding you with plastic orange fences, get behind them somehow. Run if you have to. Remember they walk in formation, if they can't keep that formation, they can't do shit.

Do something about this "free speech zone" mentality. This crap has to stop. You should be sick of this. This is not freedom. It is fascist censorship, and unconstitutional. If they keep treating US Citizens like this, tell me why you shouldn't defend yourself against unconstitutional battery.

What is the stupid White House but a symbolic building.

It's old, it's stupid, (it's pretty I will give you that) but the government shouldn't even use the White House, it can't even accommodate the public. You don't need a building to protest to. How are you going to get your word out in a room with 40 seats occupied by the same fascist media ass's warming the chairs? You need a TV Station. You need to get your word out to people. Not your message edited out by a stupid prime time tv show.

Have your protests at the front doors of the local stations. What is the point of going to a protest when no one will cover it? You waste time, this ain't the 60's. this ain't the 70's.

In my opinion there is only ONE WAY we are going to restore the Constitution and cleanse the Oath of Office breakers from government. That's to be able to vote again, and in order to do that, we MUST have our own media.

They are the VAST MINORITY. Not the MORAL MAJORITY. In other words, there are more of us than there is of them, keep your heart right and exploit it at the right time. If our hearts are not in this then we are no longer free. If we are not free, I don't even want to live downwind from the United States. My country that I served in the USAF for.

If your on a jury and the law is unjust NULLIFY IT! This does not mean you use this every damn time.

Stop being "politically correct", stand up and be PATRIOTIC, quit being the brainwashed chicken shit. I am sick of these people that just want to be all the same.

That's not how America got to be FREE. Read your history books.

If you could do one thing, ONE THING each day..
Turn off the TV! Unplug it. Rent a movie. Read a book. Start a blog. Play with your children, take them somewhere important, teach them. Volunteer for something. But stop being the stuck up nosed asshole, and get involved in what's happening around you and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! You know who you are.

Argh!

Didn't Kerry have to swear to uphold the constitution? If that is the case, he broke the oath that day. He should have jumped off the stage and helped the guy. End of story.

Also, I love how all the Right wingers that were slamming the Move-On ad are concerned about free speech now that a guy was tazed at a Kerry event...

As much as I am a peaceful person and think that everything can be resolved by talking it out, I am deeply dismayed that no one physically protected the guy. Standing up for your rights goes WAY beyond the comment section of your favorite blog (Love ya Brad) I think this is seriously a wake up call to all of us.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

The oath Kerry took, and disregarded that day.

Comment 84- Marjorie G:
Thank you for all your hard work- I am humbled by folks like you who have devoted themselves to trying to save us from fascism.
Don't you think you're being too easy on Kerry? If he had laid it on the line and called for investigations on Nov 3 2004, he may have alienated himself from the DNC, but 2004 election theft would not be the "internet conspiracy theory" that it is considered today (by about 90% of most dems I talk too- they tend to glaze over and say "yeah yeah yeah).

I also salute all your hard work, Marjorie G. A really excellent post you've written, and I couldn't agree more!

Reading the majority of posts here is quite arduous, since they are largely illiterate. College students, no doubt. Regardless, this man was asked to pose his question, he responded that Kerry had "spoken for 2 hours" and he continued to rant and synopsize a book that Kerry had already said he'd read. This "student" was obviously into this for the publicity and nothing else. He wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he now has them. I think we should all let him go back to his mediocre life.

And to the poster who commented that he is a journalism student and they are taught to ask the hard questions --- that is precisely where journalism has gone off track. Journalists are supposed to report the news, not make the news. It is not journalism, other than yellow journalism, when the "journalist" injects him or herself into the story. This guy had no more interest in Kerry's answers than he did in contributing to the forum. Had he wanted to hear Kerry's responses, he would have shut up and moved on when Kerry said he had already read the book and that, indeed, these were important questions.

I continue to believe that John Kerry is a patriot and an honest champion of liberal causes. He may not be as dynamic as some would wish. The JFKs are few and far between. Save your venom for crooks who occupy the White House and control 44 votes in the Senate.

Thank you, Pablo, and Connie.

A state has to agree to a recount, and no amount of court cases, and maybe still pending, would prove all the data and voters who walked away. Again, an election can't be remedied after the fact. The audits never happen, especially after the television has named the winner.

The popular vote was unbelievable, but a powerful measure for Kerry to look illegitimate and sour grapes. The media was hostile throughout the campaign, not forthcoming about what happened to the exit poll switch at the eleventh hour (By urban centers increasing their late night support for Bush somewhere near 150%, as has been suggested and also unbelievable? Don't think so). When we have 104% partcicpation in so many red states, and a phony homeland security alert, we know plenty.

Proving limited error and proof of something outcome altering, or fraudulant, are high and different hurdles.

The media want you to think they have the answers because their stage sets are glitzy. Their corporate leaders also said Bush is better for business.

The theft happened everywhere, but the thought at the time, and I still think true, results cannot be reconstructed. We'd need whistleblowers to central tabulating and ways the vote shifts happened.

Although Greg Palast's aide confirmed their looking into the election on the RNC website, I don't know when and if that will pan out.

I heard Kerry wanted to contest, when he at least had possible provisionals to count. Another conspiracy is the Bob Woodward book's mention of Carville and McCurry's action, notifying the GOP about possible plans, and not in favor of any recount. Too in bed with the corporatists, too engineering for Bill's third term?

Too many questions we don't have the answers to, but still without legal mechanisms that would work in a partisan state.

Our new trend towards trade secrets, non-disclosure, and federal control, further damages our ability for observation and oversight.

I think we'll be given the presidency in 2008. My prediction. The media can't push the same old dog in the same way. Also the money interests want change, but with people friendly to corporations.

With the presidency convincing people electronics aren't a problem, watch for the other races to create stalemate, and electronics more permanent. After all of us are considered even more whacko.

While Palast deserves a lot of respect for what he's done, he gets no sympathy from me for not wanting to face the truth about his government. It was painful for the rest of us too, and we love our country just as much. But he of all people, as a hot-shot muckraker, is in a position to know better.

The thing about disinformation is that it only works if the source is established as a trustworthy source of inside information. For example, there's a story circulating in the alternative media that Islam was created by the Catholic Church out of pagan moon-god worship. Truth-seekers are supposed to believe it because it originated with a former Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, who was killed for exposing the Vatican's dirty dealings. But that doesn't make it true --- and it has in fact been discredited as the work of a Zionist agent.
That myth was intended to make us see Islam as a religion of violence devoid of spiritual truth. Palast's tale of a network of youth groups fronting for Al Qaeda is, I'd guess, supposed to pave the way for increased surveillance and harassment of youth and Muslim groups. No, I can't prove the connection with the taser incident. But that's how they work.

Cheryl: The point is, MEYERS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MANHANDLED AND TASERED FOR HIS ACTIONS! The police behaved like thugs and used unnecessary violence. GET IT? Meyers waved a book in the air and asked Kerry several direct questions. He didn't attack or threaten anyone verbally or by his actions. At most, the police should have insisted loudly, more than once if necessary, that he retake his seat or be arrested or forcibly removed from the auditorium. That's as far as it would have gone. In fact, Kerry proceeded to say he would answer the questions. Physical violence by the police should result in all of them being fired from their jobs. It was police brutality, plain and simple. The reality is that the police and political goons are behaving like this all over America in order to frighten citizens into being silent, compliant sheep to American fascism. So, you will never stick your neck out for anyone - you will always take care of you by siding with might - foreget about right? Is that your position? Play it safe, be a sheep, and agree that might is right? Tell your children to be quiet and go along with authority always, regardless, play it safe, be a sheep? Don't stand up, don't speak out, don't ask, don't tell. Find out which side is winning - stick with them - who cares if they are m... f... bastards? Just pretend they are not bastards. Who cares about right and wrong? What's that got to do with living in this world? Nothing at all to you?

Just to clarify the previous post, it wasn't Father Rivera who was exposed as a Zionist agent, but Cardinal Bea, who told him the story as "privileged information." The allegation about Bea was made both by former high-level Illuminati member Leo Zagami, and by author Michael Hoffman.

We know what kerry did while this was going on in front of him,what would jesus do? Now let us change the scenario,What would mao,mussolini,stalin or HITLER do????????????? SIMURGH

Talk Talk Talk but no one dose any thing. people bring it to your senters. And if that dont work bring it to the streets and protest.Thats right you are not free any more.SO fight people it is still (we the people)

Google's cache of theandrewmeyer.com is very different from the current page. The current page cites nbc news and fox news.

The cached version starts with "Stan Meyer Killed - The Water Powered Car"

Cache is available directly from google's datacenter:
http://64.233.183.104/se...=en&ct=clnk&cd=3

Many people in the audience were obviously delighted when Mayer was escorted out. These people are students of journalism I gather. Considering current state of journalism (in MSM anyway), it shouldnt be suprising seeing these people clapping hands and cheering when a person like AM who has something important on his mind that is against the official line, is taken away from an open microphone.
These people only want to become well paid some day, and they already have learned what line of journalism pays best: Not Andy Mayer line, but the official, pro establishment, soft ball line. They are cheering for the security personell out of relief when they see things are getting back to comfortable again, and for reinforcing their mindset that the "speaking truth to power"-line doesnt pay.

@ Cheryl. H. (#100)

Proficiency in English is an acquired skill that is probably most dependent on the quality of tuition received in that subject. There is no direct and necessary correlation between it and intelligence or intellect, and your comment is a case in point, since the finely crafted words only serve to reveal the better the shallowness of your thinking.

It is the function of a reporter to report news (even this would scarcely be possible without the reporter asking some questions to establish facts, of course), but it is the function of a journalist to search diligently for the truth in any matter and then disseminate the results of that search to all who may be interested. It is inevitable that these uncovered facts brought into the public domain can themselves constitute news that may even significantly alter history (as in, to use the obvious example, Bob Woodward's and Carl Bernstein's exposure in the Washington Post of Nixon's involvement in the Watergate scandal).

If you only want reporting without journalism, then fine - I suggest that you watch only Fox news or emigrate to China.

#108
DNS is a fsckwit
try http://waterpoweredcar.com/
or search Stan Mayer. I know exactly what your talking about the 1970's guy that made a VW into a H20 powered dune buggy. Then he was destroyed by the corrupt motherfuckers who need to be REMOVED from earth.

Although, conspiracy theories aside, I THINK your looking for this webpage
http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

And YES why the fuck aren't we doing this again?

And YES why do snot nosed fucks allowing PIGS to fuck up JOURNALISTS?

Maybe we should shut down, stop talking, go quiet, and do our thing? I predict if we did that in 10 Years we could CLEANSE these fuckers out.

but you can't be a chicken shit.

And go ahead PIGS do me first.

end my life.

I don't care.

no more music videos for you. heh

Screw the people that talk shit.

Lookup that guy called "saysfuckalot" on youtube.
He's actually a patriot. I don't agree with his politics.

When I say snot nosed, they all seem to have some health problem, can't breath. WELL DUH...

Or they are just those rotten fucking people you see in the elevator, the movie theatre, the office building, et. You know where to find em, they actually smell. You can smell them.

Parking with your Lexus in the Garage while you unloAd the Soda is gonna give you a stuck up nose, but worse than that, is where you DO NOT STAND UP in a classroom (college class even) if your are still a college student, and WORSE is when you do nothing when you see violent crimes against your neighbors. But mostly I hate the fuckin snot nosed college fuckers. And WORSE is when you say you saw nothing, what are you SCHULTZ talking to KERNEL CLINK? You fucking liar, maybe you are the next target as far as I am concerned. Watch your fucking back bitch.

do you understand that I don't even drive? It's not that I can't drive. I could hella outdrive your ass.

Or, just crap off your crusty stinky life what I say now. EVENTUALLY ..

You'll be woken up with gunfire in your local neighborhood, or a dirty bomb in your city. Maybe a fucking natural disaster will wake your snotty fucking nose up. Can't breath it's too humid. Waaaa you'll cry like you been TAZED.

Better wake up.
Time to go to work for WE THE PEOPLE, not YOUR STUPID WORTHLESS PAPER PAYCHECK.

I say nasty things, but you know something bad is coming. Deep in your sub-conscious when you sleep YOU FUCKING KNOW.

I know something bad is coming. Could it be an extent- ion type event? It could be just bad luck for motherfuckers downwind.

I hear the crap on Art Bell about 2012.

BUT...

I fucking BEEN to Tikal in 74, I been there. Fuck their fucking calendar. I was TOLD about their calendar ending. I am a fucking PAGAN. so what the fuck?

You wanna see my lame ass in 1974 in Tikal?
http://sacxtra.com/tikal
a. I flew in on a dirt runway
b. If I stayed another day I would be dead.
c. The day after, we heard About crash in Tikal Jungle with everyone on board dead. It was in the Guatamala News paper around christmas. LOOK THE SHIT UP.
d. (edited)
e. You can see for yourself, I ain't fucking round.
f. I might have been 10 or 11 then, but I am 44 now. Much more wiser.

The disasters that MAN causes is what you need to worry about. The ones that GOD does. Fuck it.

WE THE PEOPLE NEEDS (ha) TO STOP THE DISASTERS BEFORE MAN CAUSES IT.

How much more shit you gonna let the man do?
Do you know how smart you really are?
How psychic are ya?
How good can you predict shit?
How good can you STOP shit?
Can you listen.

I think this fuckin country is toast.
And I am a vet.

I as a pagan witch satanist or whatever the fuck you want to call me wish you health wealth and prosperity.

This Could be my LAST POST on the very CARING and EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT BRAD FREIDMAN's BRADBLOG.

I got limited time. My health is fuckin up now. I have no health insurance. I hear humming every fucking night still, I run fans to mask the sound. "NORMAL" people do not hear the sound. I think it's a sound wave attack, no fuckin aluminum or copper or lead can shield from sound waves, only a pure vacuum can, and I don't have fucking $3000 to test with ducktaping three foot COOL WHITE bulbs together in three row, six side'ed shield, just to see if I can fucking sleep better.

My neck is cracking, I bet it's fucking cancer, but I don't dare join the health system now. You fucking chicken shit snot nosed fuckers. I got to loose my resentments against you. Why do you fucking act the way you do, why don't you HELP people?

When I see you NOT HELPING, it makes me want to slice your throat, and I do not have that USAF training yet.

Maybe they want to fucking draft me back, LETS GO!

I'll try alternative health care. I mean fuck it's what I've fuckin had since 1991. Although having the kick ass CIA doctor (I'm lieing/kidding) remove my teeth in the painless chair costing several grand was pretty cool. I only wonder what I said to him? Someone told me I was out for 8 hours. heh heh heh

It cost. $$$ I ain't fibbing (a term my grandfather liked) about that.

in the 1800's you'd be dead.

Are you a fucking Fibber?
Or are you a Patriot?

Correction.

I think I am 45 now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrE88KcWB30

found him, he is the real deal even if he's wrong.

Phil,

Yep, these daze are similar to "tin soldiers and Nixon coming" ... "four dead in Ohio" ... Kent State mentality returns.

In the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Gang up and shoot some unarmed citizens, gang up and taze a student.

Wow, no wonder the world just really wants to be just like US ... well not really and I don't either.

Livin' by the sword and dyin' by the sword ... its all in a daze work.

that why I love you Dredd. Even though I might not "always agree" with ya. You give me hope even though I do stupid things and go completely nuts. You are much more stable than my ass. Okay, I been pushing my luck on this thread.

I just want people (folks) to know that whats happening is serious, and it's high time to take those snobby noses down, and exploit your education. And I want folks to know that YOU are not going against the flow of the universe when you do so, as long as you keep your heart pure.

All the rest of the crap I said, you can disregard. Or act on it. Whatever. I can't change you, I can only change ME.

Wow,

This is a hot topic, I love all of the versions of what happened, repeated again and again and again.

This is a real life soap opera, emotions are running wild and fingers are getting soar from all of this typing.

Some people are still in disbelief about the system, others have woken up.

I'd like to toast all of you, cause we're all in this together. We all get to share little events like this. Garsh it brings a tear to my eye. This kid and his yellow book and his crazy speech. Hell, we live in a crazy world so why not act as such.

And never forget a crazy poet who said something like, they got the guns but we got the BUTTER!

(freedom butter, cause you can't spread it with a gun)

Just don't let em spread it on your ass.

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Democrats are pussies. And Bush is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!

I've watched different video versions of this, multiple times. It sure looks to me that up to the point where Meyers is grabbed he is guilty of nothing other than being somewhat rude, somewhat aggressive in pressing his questions. He did go on & on a bit when maybe, under ordinary circumstances, one might expect that it was time he shut-up & sit down; but these are not ordinary times we're living in, as we all know...

...Not when the United States has been turned into a country where torture & secret prisons are sanctioned openly, and where habeas corpus & due process & the Geneva conventions & the Constitution are treated like some quaint, antique notions from a former time.

...Not when a freaking truckload of evidence that our entire electoral system has been rigged is simply ignored and dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

To those that are offended by references to the U.S becoming a police state: this is not just empty name-calling, friends. Read some of Goebbels' quotes; read "Fascism, Anyone?"...the parallels are real; they're happening.

How ironic: the people who warn that we're becoming a police state are accused of being anti-American, of being "America-haters", when loving the country is the whole POINT.

Our government & our media have for years ignored the kinds of questions this kid was asking, questions that deserve to be front-page news. He's a journalism student. He SHOULD be asking the hard questions, he SHOULD be honing his skills. I applaud his courage. God knows, I wish our media had some.

After he was grabbed--again, ordinarily--one could argue that he should not have resisted; he was obviously, at that point, "resisting arrest". But grabbing him the way they did sure looked like assault to ME! It was totally unnecessary & over-reactive, & completely typical, apparently, of what's going on all around the country: people getting thrown out of rallies & speeches for wearing the wrong tee-shirt or holding the wrong sign, being fired for a bumper sticker.
It's irrelevant whether or not he planned this or milked it for added drama; it's irrelevant whether he's a rude, annoying asshole or a courageous patriot.

If we lived in a perfect world, I might say he should have been more respectful, more polite; but Jesus! ..it is LONG past time for being POLITE. It is time to demand some answers to ALOT of hard questions, seems to me.

About Iraq, New Orleans, lost billions, about why we are the ONLY developed country in the freaking world without GOOD healthcare, about how ANYbody in Congress could vote to NOT restore habeas corpus.
Bottom line: I think this kid deserves a medal.

I remember John Kerry not answering a question about his “skull and bones” days in the 2004 election by just laughing and giving the impression that it was just a silly, silly thing to have to answer any questions about a silly college fraternity.

I’m sorry, but there are a disproportionate number of very powerful people in our government today who were a part of this “silly” organization who took a solemn vow of loyalty to each other throughout their lives, (this is the way I understand it anyway.)

Kerry said he wanted to answer the students question. Well, John, answer his question about where your true loyalties lie. Are they to the constitution and people of the United States or to your “silly, (creepy)” college fraternity? Why did you fold like a cheap lawn chair when you know the people who gave their time, money, blood, sweat and tears to make SURE another election was not stolen in this country worked so hard for you.

Answer the question John! If you don’t, you’re the one who is “out of line”, not the student who asked the EXACT questions all of the conscious people in this country want answered. We are not “conspiracy theorists” just because we want our votes counted or get some answers about where your true allegiance lies.

I wondered whether this was a staged event myself, because the deceivers among us who use television to make fools of us have been walking closer and closer to the edge of reality when staging their fake events, however, I am thinking they wouldn’t have had this student ask these questions, because they strike right at the heart of the deceivers like Karl Rove, Bush and Cheney.

There are two issues that simply do not come up on television. Stolen elections and 911 conspiracy.

I think this student, as obnoxious as he was, is probably at the end of his rope like the rest of us. He just decided to do something about it.

If this was another grand farce staged on the very edge of reality, I hope every one of these scum fall to their deaths. Kerry and Gore need to stop joking about stolen elections and get DEAD serious before another presidential election goes into the toilet!

Dred #82: Pretty funny. The attack felt pretty good at the time. Yesterday i watched THE GOVERNMENT VS. JOHN LENNON and the comparisons between the Nixon administration and the cheney lying murderers are very close.

Document released under the freedom of information act showed it went all the way up to Nixon in the White House because the Nixon government desperately hated his anti war stance and secretly tried everything to stop him from becoming a citizen.

They were trying to deny him citizenship because of a conviction in England for a case some 4 years prior where he pleaded guilty for 2 marijuana joints they found in his apt or something close.

The bottom line, Lennon stood for life and Nixon stood for killing and death thus he was a thorn in the military industrial complex interests of the United States. Sound familiar.

Back then they didn't dismantle the constitution in the name of terrorism the neo-con fascist bastards we got now. State sponsored war games a la the Gulf of Tompkin took place where the war was not on US soil.
Like most state sponsored war games, it was effective as an excuse to increase the WAR EFFORT by substancially increasing the number of US troops sent into Nam.

State sponsored war games by the cheney administration on 9/11 was on mainland soil but much more effective results because they were easily able to sway the American people angry to get the people responsible.

Totally suceptable to the corporate mass media fear campaign waged by the bush government, they consolidated Executive branch powers while reducing constitutional rights, and easily moving forward with Middle East oil takeover plans.
Lastly, this also took the eye of the American people off the ball, so these anti-environmental parasites could reverse 250 environmental laws, remove public imput from issues of US forestry, and sell off the western wild lands their big developer cronies.

"ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE."
JOHN LENNON

These criminal mass murderers are still in office and have still avoided 9/11 prosecution and indictment but something soon is gonna come out and these fckers are gonna fall like FEDERAL World Trade Building #7 did after a 20 second countdown, 10 1/2 hours after the FEDERAL World Trade Twin Towers imploded. These bastards are gonna come down fast and hard and NO LAWYER OR JUDGE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO STOP THEIR FALL.

This is a prime example that shows us America is going down the shit hole. I'm not one to go out say screw the government but things have gone to far. The generation of free love and pretty much free everything has made America the land of rules and regulations. That kid had every right to ask those questions. Something tells me that maybe if the media didn't portray everything that happens like its such a terrible event we would have a different outlook on life. What happened when America could look at someone and say, "Hey, they deserve another chance." or "lets support each other for the common good." Basically what im trying to get at is America needs to stop worrying about the small stuff. "Oh my God a cat got stuck in a tree. So lets cut all the damn trees down so it never happens again. " This seams to be the mindset we have. If we minded our own business and respected the the very laws and foundation that created this country we wouldn't have to worry about asking questions.

An only one is willing to quote the greatest marionette film of all time????

Bravo OneGuy...Bravo

I would just like to say one last thing about this thread. I started out sober, I ended very very drunk. Although, most of the regulars here can probably see that, this crap is overloading me. I get confused, I go off topic, and rant with a sharp tongue.

Most men do if you push them too far.

Folks, we've been pushed too far.

I type this sober now. I pick my ass up and try to meet the new day.

The important thing here is the Constitution needs to be restored, and the oath of office breakers removed from our government. I didn't cause that problem, but if pushed too far I will be part of those who will solve it.

For those that are breaking their oath of office, you should be glad that I sauce it up now and then. This is from utter frustration, and legal powerlessness. I always try to be a good citizen, when you crash your motorcycle in the middle of the street, WHO comes to your aid? I do.

More of you should too. In fact you should have a permanent pit in your stomach about what's happening in our government. the corrupt have no conscious. I do. I have a conscious, I don't like seeing corruption, the corrupt should be scared, and anyone working in government should be absolutely of the highest integrity.

I no longer work for the government, but I still can obey my OATH.

He didn't get arrested for asking about voting suppression.......

He got arrested for mentioning SKULL n BONES!!

It's a secret society were their main agenda is too get into office and destroy America.

Bush and Kerry were both members and it didn't matter who they would of handpicked as president in 2004, because their agenda would've went forth anyways.

The reason Kerry didn't contest the 2004 election results is because he was just playing HIS PART!!

As long as a SKULL n BONESMAN got in there, that's what really mattered.

The UF student is an idiot. Funny thing is, the guy is all bent out of shape about politics and the voting process but he was the first one to act recklessly and with complete disregard of authorities. How can anyone take a person like this seriously anyway? He acted belligerently with his senseless diatribe (he would not allow Kerry to answer, he basically wanted to have a one-sided conversation-talk about the wrong way to start an open discussion regarding politics!).

So when he is asked by authorities to tone it down - what does he do? He choses to scream louder, to continue acting erratically. The guy was warned repeatedly to calm down and he would not. Simple as that. His rights to freedom of speech were not violated-he could ask whatever he wanted (and he was) as long as it was in a civilized manner and allowing the speaker to answer-um, you know, like a rational, normal human being (?). When he refused to obey authorities and continue with his violent rantings, he broke the peace. He was warned. He chose. No need to feel sorry for him.

This kid is basically a charlatan who tries to make a name for himself by acting stupid-so this is what stupid gets.