READER COMMENTS ON
"California Source Code Reports Released"
(9 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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phil
said on 8/3/2007 @ 12:21 am PT...
With this crazy amount of exploits found and documented now, we could pretty much say with certainty, "we have lost the right to vote since the moment these electronic voting machines came into existence."
Anyone with even a basic understanding of electronics and programming and physics could have told you.
So, who's the fucking domestic terrorists behind the corruption that has totally infested our blessed government, the media and destroyed our constitution, bill of rights, Geneva Conventions, Habius Corpus, Wiretapping, PRivacy, Death of our kids by War, Billions of missing dollars, and on and on and on?
And what are we going to do about these domestic terrorists? Nothing? Censor? Slap on wrist?
These machines go, the corruption goes or were fucking done. It's at the point where I can't write my own senators anymore because I can not treat them with respect, because OATH OF OFFICE BREAKERS DO NOT DESERVE RESPECT, THEY DESERVE JAIL.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/3/2007 @ 6:00 am PT...
Phil #1
Speaking of secret codes, source, and terrorism, as you point out, how can we vote them out for doing this:
A new bill, proposed by the administration and being rushed through both houses in the last week in an apparent deal with Democratic leaders, would allow the administration to set up whole programs of surveillance, without prior approval of the FISA court, so long as those programs operated under internal rules designed to capture communications where both parties are "reasonably believed to be outside of the United States." (One supposed "safeguard": such programs may only be carried out through a telecommunications company - as if AT&T and Verizon have our privacy interests at heart!) Who would get to authorize these programs of surveillance, lasting up to a year? Who else: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
(HuffPo, emphasis added). But why does preznit blush need it when he has all that power anyway? Evidently the FISA court ruled it illegal:
to the extent that these warrants "authorized the president or executive officials to determine on their own when there is probable cause ... are general warrants, outside the scope of what FISA allows judges to approve, and are illegal."
(ibid, emphasis added). Ring them bells and call congress and tell them not to give our 4th Amendment to the bushies for trash.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/3/2007 @ 10:36 am PT...
The access to source code is like sunlight on germs. It is one reason S. 559 has some good points to it:
`(9) PROHIBITION OF USE OF UNDISCLOSED SOFTWARE IN VOTING SYSTEMS- No voting system used in an election for Federal office shall at any time contain or use any software not certified by the State for use in the election or any software undisclosed to the State in the certification process. The appropriate election official shall disclose, in electronic form, the source code, object code, and executable representation of the voting system software and firmware to the Commission, including ballot programming files, and the Commission shall make that source code, object code, executable representation, and ballot programming files available for inspection promptly upon request to any person.
`(10) PROHIBITION OF USE OF WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS DEVICES IN VOTING SYSTEMS- No voting system shall contain, use, or be accessible by any wireless, power-line, remote, wide area, or concealed communication device at all.
`(11) PROHIBITING CONNECTION OF SYSTEM OR TRANSMISSION OF SYSTEM INFORMATION OVER THE INTERNET- No component of any voting device upon which votes are cast shall be connected to the Internet at any time.
(S. 559, Nelson D-FLA). The republicans in the House committee strongly opposed open disclosure of source code. The EVM companies are owned by republicans and they don't want people to see how mickey mouse they are treating the right to vote and have it count.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/3/2007 @ 11:47 am PT...
The voting machines in the House are failing at this moment. It could be a hack. It is on CSPAN now.
The FISA law, already weak, is in danger of being weakened further on demand of preznit blush.
Call 202) 224-3121 and they will switch you to any Senator or Representative. You can call all of them you want to.
Tell them to stand up for America and uphold the 4th Amendment requirement for a warrant before spying on any American under any condition.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 8/3/2007 @ 12:33 pm PT...
"The voting machines in the House are failing at this moment. It could be a hack. It is on CSPAN now."
I never thought of that! Good catch, Dredd! Who says the machines actually in the House and the Senate are accurate?
Has there ever been anything said here about that? We only talk about the public's vote machines!
I think there needs to be a follow-up on Dredd's comment!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 8/3/2007 @ 12:42 pm PT...
What kind of voting machines do they have in the House? How come we never talk about that?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Gerard Gonzalez
said on 8/5/2007 @ 1:57 pm PT...
I have a question about this statement made by: Dredd said on 8/3/2007 @ 10:36 am PT
`(9) PROHIBITION OF USE OF UNDISCLOSED SOFTWARE IN VOTING SYSTEMS- No voting system used in an election for Federal office shall at any time contain or use any software not certified by the State for use in the election or any software undisclosed to the State in the certification process. The appropriate election official shall disclose, in electronic form, the source code, object code, and executable representation of the voting system software and firmware to the Commission, including ballot programming files, and the Commission shall make that source code, object code, executable representation, and ballot programming files available for inspection promptly upon request to any person.
I have proof that Sequoia has not disclosed all the software used in the creation of a DRE ballot from a Paper ballot.
Is the above statement part of HAVA? At this point in time, their is no law to hold the vendor accountable. Is this correct?
Thank you
Concerened citizen about the quality in every state that deals with Sequoia.
P.S. Hi Marvin!!! at SVS
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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John Gideon
said on 8/5/2007 @ 3:57 pm PT...
Gerard,
That is federal legislation that has not come to the floor for a vote yet.
The ballot definition files probably should be included in the certification process but it hasn't been in the past and I'm not sure how they would do that for every election.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/14/2007 @ 5:16 am PT...
Gerard #7
The section of S. 559 (the Senate compliment to HR 811 - congress is bi-cameral) that you ask about, if you look closely, says:
including ballot programming files
(See post #3). If that section stays in the final version of the three bills, then anyone would be able to view all of the source code, including the part that constructs and prints out the individual paper ballot.
As John pointed out, neither HR 811 nor S. 559 have come to a floor vote. There are two versions of HR 811, and one version of S. 559. And I should point out that the Senate committee has not moved S. 559 out of committee nor have the held hearings on it.