"July 16, 2006 --- EXCLUSIVE TO Wayne Madsen Report. Our intelligence sources in Lebanon have reported to us exclusively that Israel is now using poison gas and depleted uranium shells on towns in the south of Lebanon..."

Israel is now using poison gas on innocent civilians?

How ironic..., and evil.

The descendants of the world's most pitied victims are now the world's most disgusting victimizers --- along with the Bush Administration.

WP said...."May God protect the peaceful people of the Middle East, peaceful people of all countries. And may He smite the warmongers with a terrible swift sword".

"Amen"...brother..!!

We should all throw in a few more amens for good measure.

Geeeeze, this is one sad, sick world anymore. What IS going to be left for our grandkids and great-grands as they grow up.

Wish I was wielding that sword..!! El Chimpo and Cheneys' would be the first heads to roll.

Amen.

Texas Democratic Candidate calls for impeachment. He did not say ITMFA, but he got definitely blunt about it!

I'll throw in a Bush-el full of Amens! The lockstep approval by the Bush Administration (and the worthless American MSM) of anything Israel does threatens to bring on an era of turbulence in this world that far exceeds even the horrible mess we have already created. May God (or some power) protect the world from Bush and his fellow warmongers!

Amen, and amen, and amen, again and again!

Amen... The thing that really yanks my chain is the neo-cons don't even see this as a tragedy, they see it as a money making proposition, an "opportunity" if you will
So the major networks are going to report what ?.
Well its WAR, WAR, WAR, any excuse to sell more weapons
there is mucho dinero in that.
Sick mfers...
Chickenhawks are salivating as their wallets fatten, while feigning disgust and people die

Amen
Amen
Amen Amen Amen

Everybody keeps saying that Israel has the right to protect itself.

Fine, then let it protect itself and keep us the hell out of it! We have plenty to do here with our stolen democracy.

Newt Gringrich can shove that great big civil war book of his up his ass, (both, or all three of them)! Americas children are not going to be killed for this sick man's vision of grandeur!

Good Morning all, did you guys see the list of inside E-Mails yet from Die-Bold
They're pretty amazing

Link

The first one has a whole slew of names to look up on the cc list

The neoCon plan, which this republican dictatorship has favored, is the destabilization of the region.

The admin has been working behind the scenes to influence the new and civilian background government in Israel.

We have heard the tom toms beating about Israel taking out the Iranian nuclear capability.

It has now moved to this point. My take on it is that the republican dictatorship would like to use it for the election.

Evidently they think war is the best way to gain enough poll movement in their favor that the polls won't be so far apart that the theft of the election in November won't be so noticable.

They are way out of touch with the voting public and the rest of the public too, and have miscalculated.

The overreaction of Israel will destabilize the region in the sense that US interests will be damaged further, and millions more will hate us.

The republican dictatorship cares nothing for that and want world war III:

Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich says America is in World War III and President Bush should say so.

http://archives.seattlet...an16m&date=20060716

as if WW III is no big deal.

Listen, if it spills over and Syria and Iran become involved in a shooting war, the Iraqi shia militias are likely to go over the edge.

So may our economy, with $100 bbl oil. This could effect all of us, because blackouts may become more common and along with that less internet access.

Here are better links for my post #11 (Newt WW III, and Old NeoCon Destabilization Plan).

Floridiot #10

Yes, I am reading them. Good finds.

Everyone check out the July 10 thread (which Floridiot links to in his post #10) for some incredible facts in various posts, including why the attempt is likely already planned to steal the November election (Voting News July 10 Thread).

Amen WP

Now they have invaded Lebanon with ground troops (link here).

Might be a good time for the UN to put troops into Iraq and in Lebanon. A true multi-national force with troops from mid-east countries that are serious about peace and democracy.

Bet that Bolton would veto at Bush's direction because he is a neoCon and they want war in that area. Newt even wants WW III (see post #12 for link).

The main reason for this latest murderous conflict is that Israel fired indiscriminately onto a crowded Gaza beach from a warship, murdering several Palestinan civilians - including women and children. It made a line in the news here (UK), but quickly and quietly diappeared, never to be raised again - I doubt if this got any airtime in the US. Anyone?

In response, Hamas grabbed an Israeli soldier carrying out illegal operations within Palestinan territory - in Bush's terms...an enemy combatant!! Is the hipocrisy starting to sink in yet?

So Israel 'responded' with a pre-planned attack, destroying Palestinian power plants, roads, airports and a whole load more civilian infrastructure - creating a massive humanitarian crisis and contravening just about every international law in existence.

These events have been the catalyst for the escalating war in Israel's neighbouring countries. Please remember this when the MSM keeps banging on about kidnapped Israeli soldiers - this is pathetic propaganda, but most numbnuts will buy it!!!

I'm sick of hearing how Israel were provoked - I'm sick of hearing Bush, Blair et al condone Israel, while at the same time trying to drag Iran and Syria into this. Long war anyone? And next time you hear our great leaders utter "We are at war...", ask yourself who exactly do they mean by "we". I don't recall Bush, Blair, Sharon, Olmed, Chirac etc. etc. standing on the front line ready to take a bullet for you...or a lung full of depleted Uranium. Do you?

If we value our world, we need to do something pretty damn soon. Depleted Uranium knows no boundaries, and neither does regular nuclear fallout.

Please wake up people - your elections are being controlled by AIPAC and affiliates (Diebold). Your media is being run by APIAC and affiliates (Wolf Blitzer?) - your military is being run by AIPAC - and you fund Israel to the tune of billions of dollars a year - while your own citizens are being NEGLECTED! (Remember Katrina? Well its nearly a year on - go do some research)

"May God protect the peaceful people of the Middle East, peaceful people of all countries. And may He smite the warmongers with a terrible swift sword."

Yes, Amen to that, but you guys have got to get a deeper perspective on reality first. While you party over politics, you are seriously divided, unable to see just exactly who's pulling your strings.

Love,

Peacelover

Hezbollah kidnaps two Israelis in retaliation for prisoners it thinks are being held unjustly. Then...

Israel launches full-scale bombing of Lebanon. Then...

Bush says Israel is entitled to defend itself. Then...

U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution condemning Israel. Then...

Word "leaks out" that Iran is supplying arms to various terrorist organizations. Then...

Newt Gingrich announces we're in World War III. Then...

Fill in the blanks:

______ says we must never let our guard down toward terrorists (Bush, Cheney, Blair, Frist, Rumsfeld, Fox Network, Giuliani, McCain, Hatch, Lieberman, Rove).

_______ says a Muslim caliphate is dedicated to the destruction of Israel (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Lieberman, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kristol, Krauthammer, Bolton).

_______ says we must support our president now that the Middle East has expanded into World War III (Gingrich, Cheney, Rove, Mehlmann, Coulter, O'Reilly,Limbaugh, Hannity, Malkin, O'Beirne, Matalin).

_______ says this is all too convenient for the G.O.P. war profiteers (BradBlog and a few brave Democrats).

Can someone help me with some history? I was listening to Laura Flanders on Air American. Her guest alluded to the US's previous meddling in Lebanon's civil War in the 80's but I needed her to join the dots more completely than she did. Here now are my questions:
1. What was Israel's role in Lebanon's "civil war" last time (early 80's)?
2. What was Syria's role in Lebanon's "civil War" last time?
2.5 Last time, was the US engaged in puppeteering? If yes, what were the strategic goals? Where the goals met?
3. Why did the US tell Americans who wanted to leave Lebanon to go to the airport , after the airport had been bombed?
4.Why is the US telling Americans they can expect to pay the government for flying them to Cypress? Is there a precedent for this?

I've been looking for the answers on the web, but perhaps I'm not approaching this correctly because I'm not finding answers.

Amen! WP writes a quote from an innocent Arab civilian. You don't see that in the MSM!

Is it too much to ask, to stop all this insanity???

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071606E.shtml

One might say this next one is "anti-semetic"...you decide...

http://www.rense.com/general72/thou.htm

IMO, Isreal has been getting goofy since Sharon and Reagan

Peacelover #14 Regarding this:

your elections are being controlled by AIPAC and affiliates (Diebold)...

If you have any evidence to support this assertion, I would love to see it. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Yes Peacelover, by all means, any and all info about election machine social or criminal linkage, as WP says, would be welcome.

What we do not want, however, are assertions without any backing whatsoever.

Some recent strange social and electronic voting machine links can be viewed by clicking on the July 10 link I provided in post #12.

Yo, Peacelover! New in town, hay? I'm sure glad you dropped in to wake us all up with respect to the points in your rant. Thanks

Peacelover, please furnish proof...I'd love to see it.

Peacelover #14 says that this started when "Israel fired indiscriminately onto a crowded Gaza beach from a warship". Subsequent investigations have shown that Isreal did not fire onto the crowded beach as originally reported.

That issue aside let me ask the question if Cuba was lobbing an occasion missle into Miami, or Canada was lobbing into New York, or Mexico was lobbing into Houston, what would the US reaction be? Remember for every Isreal citizen that is killed that would be the equilvalent of 500 Americans. The Trade Center bombing if it occured with 3000 deaths in the US is the equivalent of 6 deaths in Isreal so I guess you would say no big deal. It was the responsibility of Lebanon and they agreed to disarm the Hezballa militia when Isreal left Lebanon. Instead Hezballa has only been allowed to grow stronger.

I am no fan of Bush or the neocons but I am a fan of Isreal. That pulled out of Lebanon and Gaza hoping to establish an atmosphere that would be condusive to peace. They have not been the parties sending the explosives into Gaza and Lebanon up to now. They did not start this new conflict by tunnelling into Gaza and killing and kidnapping soldiers or for that matter into Lebanon.

Isreal offered to end all actions immediately upon a return of prisoners. Now they will not stop until they are certain that the Hezballa war machine will be dismantled. Nor should they. If we do not support the only true democracy in the middle east than I guess there really is no need to count our votes here at home because we also do not support existing democracies abroad.

{Ed note: Comment deleted. Commenter previously banned for repeated violation of the few posting rules that we have here. BF}

True Democracy Pfft, what does one NOT controlled by the military industrial complex look like, then I've seen one

A Lebanese citizen is quoted as saying today by Reuters.
"I can't believe they are doing all this for two captives. This is just an excuse," said 21-year-old Ali Sharara who fled his home in south Beirut and has been sleeping out in the open with his brother in a city park for the last two nights.

Two Isreal soldiers equals 1000 American citizens. What value would we put on them?

A change of position by Israel.

JERUSALEM - Israel would agree to a cease-fire in its six-day-old offensive against Hezbollah if the Lebanese guerrillas withdraw from the border area with Israel and release two captured Israeli soldiers, a senior official said Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/...2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Have a look at this map. What do you notice?

Mediterranean / Lebanon / Syria / Iraq / Iran / Afghanistan / China !

Now tell me this has anything to do with terrorism.

I don't see any liberals supporting Hezbollah around here but I do see somebody who is trying to pretend that's the case. Meanwhile there's another one pushing the idea that one Israeli life is worth the same as 500 American lives (quite a telling argument, is it not?) and he claims to be a fan of Israel but apparently has no idea how to spell it. Quite a remarkable set of trolls they've sent us today, don't you think?

WP,
#29, oil
#30, ROTFLMAO, thanks, I needed that

#29 & #30
As always, nicely done WP.

Senator Joseph Lieberman

The "AIPAC controls your elections" post is pure misdirection and disinfo. I'd suggest everyone ignore or delete it. There's enough real stuff to criticize AIPAC over (spies in the state department anyone?) without having to delve into propaganda.

WP #30 says.
Meanwhile there's another one pushing the idea that one Israeli life is worth the same as 500 American lives (quite a telling argument, is it not?) and he claims to be a fan of Israel but apparently has no idea how to spell it. Quite a remarkable set of trolls they've sent us today, don't you think?

I guess the fact that I sometimes spell Israel by accident with an "ea" instead of an "ae" makes me a troll. Incredible. You have been gone for quite a while WP and it is good to have you back but perhaps you should be more careful when you call somebody a troll and perhaps you might want to check back on my previous comments. I do not post that often and do not spell very good but those who may know me better on line will vouch for the fact that I am definitely not a troll. That is unless trolls send checks.

BTW Brad has been busy trying to raise money for others. Perhaps this might be a good time for some of those who follow his blog regularly to send in a donation. Just make believe you took in a movie and dinner.

First thing on Limboob: "WWIII"...I guess that's the "Republican Noise Machine" in the MSM's "talking point". Limboob is encouraging more bombing by Israel.

WP: Is this about an oil pipeline from China (through Afghanastan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon) to a warm/deep water port in the Meditarian?

Gee, that would almost be too obvious.

Amen Brad, I want to be like you when I grow up. Israel is a military outpost for big oil. When they do war crimes and are criticized...they can say anti sementic and stop the conversation. Forgive me for my rant yesterday about so called liberal blogs which aren't. Americablog put up an artical advocating bombing Iran and Syria and has previously called McKinny a nut job for supporting Palestine. I think this is important because there is a lot of talk about what Fitzgerald is going to do to save us, but election fraud seems to be a subject nobody wants to discuss. I used to think dems. were saving their ammunition..now I think it's capitulation. It hit me when I read on FDL that Lieberman took money from Choicepoint. Pay off? Can't talk about election fraud or Israel. HMMmmm Can talk about the latest dumb thing Bush said while he and his friends steal, kill, and plunder. The Clinton, Emanuel wing of the dem. party fought Dean harder than repubs.

Wayne I apologize if I misread you. In truch the spelling issue is irrelevant and I was being snarky about that. But the important thing is: Can you please explain why one Israeli life is worth 500 American lives?

For Wayne: If Israel won't stop until Hezbollah is dismantled, what happens if Hezbollah isn't dismantled? Suppose it gets bigger. Then what?

And what about Hamas, al Qaeda, the Taliban (yes, they're back) and other enemies of Israel? What Israel is doing by bombing Lebanon is the equivalent of our dropping bombs on Libya after Pan Am/Lockerbie, or Saudi Arabia after 9/11 (because most of the suicide bombers came from there), or nuking Iran in 1980 because they kidnapped our embassy personnel.

Do you see the problem, Wayne? If we say "Israel is a democracy, so they're the good guys, and their enemies who don't live in democracies are the bad guys," and endorse full-scale warfare by Israel, we feel morally superior. But this approach also creates more and more bad guys. And that's the lesson of Iraq, isn't it? We attacked a sovereign nation as part of a "war on terror" after 9/11, and guess what? A country with few if any terrorists before our invasion became a haven for them afterward!

In other words, Wayne...where does it end?

WP -

AMEN!!!

Because of my molasses-in-January internet connection, I don't post as often as I'd like, but this manufactured conflict calls for comment, lots of it. It appears that Israel set this whole scenario up by sending soldiers OVER the Lebanese border, then reacted with hell-fire when two were taken prisoner. Innocents and peace-lovers of all persuasions have my sympathy and love. Zionists and warmongers have my execration...

May the forces of beauty and enlightenment (these aren't corporate, BTW) help us all.

WP #39 asked.
"Can you please explain why one Israeli life is worth 500 American lives?"

Easy WP the population of the US is more than 500 times that of Israel. If they lose 3000 citizens it has the comparable effect of the United States losing 150,000. That is where my comparison comes from. If the US has 3,000,000 of our citizens killed (god forbid, there would still be a US. If Israel had 3,000,000 deaths there would no longer be an Israel. It would have been liquidated.

Last week, when I heard Iran's president imply that Iran would come to the aid of Syria, my now well worn and abused conspiratorial brain (the results of Bush being in office for five years) began speculating overtime. It very quickly came up with this scenario: I Smell A Rat.
Also, using Wayne's logic, a single murder victim in Wyoming is worth 50 murder victims in California.

And your point is ?

Shit, that was for #42

I think the 1 Israeli = 500 Americans is based on total population?

Otherwise it would imply that Jews are inherantly more important (to the tune of 500:1) than Americans.. but I didn't get that from the post by Wayne..

But, if you take that route, Wayne (the pop route), how about doing the math for the civilians killed by Israel.. How many "Americans" is it that have been killed, in terms of Lebonese?

At the end of the day, soldiers were taken. That doesn't warrent killing civilians by the dozens (almost hundreds, now). It doesn't warrent blowing a country back to the stone age.. And the WORLD (including that ass-munch Shrubby) should bet telling Israel to BACK OFF and talk to Hezbollah about getting their troops back.. Find out why they were taken, and see if there's a way to settle this dipolamtically.

Oh, wait.. then the U.S. couldn't resupply Israel with more weapons and funnel more money into the very few weapons manufacturers here in the U.S.

Israel is over reacting, and anyone that can't see that is a war-monger. At least, that's how I see it.. Trying to say "2 Israelis is the same as 1000 Americans" is a straw-man argument. It's 2 human beings, and over 100 other human beings are dead over it, and Hezbollah is gaining MORE support in the region because "innocent Arab civilians" are being murdered (over 2 soldiers who agreed to give up their life for their country).

Before anybody jumps on me and says my math is as bad as my spelling, let me correct myself. The population of the US 300 million. The population of Israel 6 million. The ratio is 50 to 1 not 500 to one. So all of my figues should be divided by 10. Nevertheless Israel would still be past history. And the effect of 3000 deaths that occurred here on 9/11 would be duplicated in if 150 deaths occurred.

Excellent editorial:

Atrocities in the Promised Land
By KATHLEEN CHRISTISON
former CIA analyst

Words fail; ordinary terms are inadequate to describe the horrors Israel daily perpetrates, and has perpetrated for years, against the Palestinians... But the horror generally falls on deaf ears in most of Israel, in the U.S. political arena, in the mainstream U.S. media. Those who are horrified --- and there are many --- cannot penetrate the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada and Europe, from seeing, from caring.

But it needs to be said now, loudly: those who devise and carry out Israeli policies have made Israel into a monster, and it has come time for all of us --- all Israelis, all Jews who allow Israel to speak for them, all Americans who do nothing to end U.S. support for Israel and its murderous policies --- to recognize that we stain ourselves morally by continuing to sit by while Israel carries out its atrocities against the Palestinians...

Read the rest here.

Robert Lockwood Mills,
I cannot say where it will end just where I do not want it to end. I want to be certain that it does not end with the destruction of Israel. This is where Hamas and Hezbolla have sworn it to end. Can we at least agree on these two points.

I hope it will end with Israel and Palistine living side by side in two peaceful and prosperous states. This is also where 95% is the Israelie population want it to end and have wanted since 1948.

OK Wayne, I did read you wrong. You're not a troll. You apparently you believe what you're saying. But what are you saying?

Here is a list of the world's populations sorted by size. Look at the top: China has 1.3 billion people. Look down to #152. Estonia has 1.3 million.

Does this mean that a single Estonian life is worth the same as a thousand Chinese lives? Or does your math apply only to Israel?

Don't worry about that: It's ok if it only applies to Israel. Maybe you can answer this question instead:

Israel's population is about 6.4 million. Lebanon's is about 3.8 million. Does that mean that a Lebanese life is worth more than an Israeli life?

How about the West Bank? 2.5 million. Gaza Strip: 1.4 million. Does your math still apply? Are these people more valuable than Israelis?

And does this all mean that I could increase the value of my life by moving to a country that has fewer people? Well, that's cool. I've always wanted to live in St. Pierre and Miquelon.

I sure hope they have high-speed internet there.

Winter Patriot, actually what your figures mean is that if the entire Muslim world declares war against Israel than you cannot just figure the populations of the West Bank and Gaza when equating to Israel but also must include the populations of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and any other muslim countries who have refused to make peace with Israel. You will note that I have not included Egypt or Jordan because although much of their populations oppose Israel the governments at least have agreed to make peace with Israel and recognize it.
Notably although Lebanon is not a muslim country per see they still have not signed a peace treaty with Israel and officially are in a state of war. Also the center of the military activities against Israel continues along Lebanon's border with Israel.

This piece by this woman pretty much nails it
Link

Dredd said, "Evidently they think war is the best way to gain enough poll movement in their favor that the polls won't be so far apart that the theft of the election in November won't be so noticable."
Wow, it's amazing that the neocons conned Hammas and Hezbollah into attacking and kidnapping Israeli soldiers! If only they can get the Iranians to invest in mushrooms instead of mushroom clouds, we'd give them a little more credit.

Hi again Wayne:

I think I'm starting to understand: You add he populations of all Israel's neighbors (except Egypt and Jordan), divide the result by the population of Israel, and there's your numerical "justification" for a disproportionate response. Is that it?

Wow. That's some strange math you got there, Wayne.

Whatever happened to "all men are created equal" ???

Never mind. At least we agree on a few things.

the effect of 3000 deaths that occurred here on 9/11 would be duplicated in [Israel] if 150 deaths occurred [there].

If you're saying that Israel would go completely bonkers and declare endless limitless war on the rest of the world if 150 Israelis were killed in a terrorist attack, I'm not going to argue with you.

I hope it will end with Israel and Palistine living side by side in two peaceful and prosperous states. This is also where 95% is the Israeli population want it to end and have wanted since 1948.

And I won't argue with this either.

The problem, Wayne, is at the MOMENT, only Lebanon is "fighting" with Israel. So, every dead Lebonese (according to your math) is 1/2 of an Israeli.. Since near 100 Lebonese (almost all civilans) are dead, that's 200 Israelis to match.. yet, only under a dozen Israelis have died (by my last noticing of counts).. Therefore, Israel is bashing the shit out of Lebanon.. and all over 4 (by your math) people (since 2 soldiers were taken and it's 2 Israelis for each Lebanese person).

Instead of playing bullshit games with "math", let's look at the facts, shall we?

TWO Israeli soldiers were taken, and over (my guess as to the count by the next time we get an update) 100 Lebanese are dead. Civilians at that.

Does that make sense? Is that "justified" because you want to pretend those 2 soldiers "would be like 100 American soldiers"? So, what about the 2500+ soldiers Shrubby killed in Iraq over an illegal invasion? and the 100s of thousands of Iraqis that are dead, which would be.. what, 34 million Iraqis? to our 360 million here? factor of ten? so "over a million Americans killed in an illegal invasion"?

At the end of the day, this is about RELIGION, and in the name of their religion, Israel has been attacking people of the region for decades.. all because the "jews" decided they wanted to have a home, their own country, in their HISTORICALLY RELIGOUS LAND (or, as some would say, the land in their mythical fairy tale). They FORCED their way into a region that is religiously opposed to them, then cry about it? and wage wars and illegal killings of their neighbors? with support (money, weapons, etc.) from the U.S.? which makes the U.S. culpable and complicit in the tensions over there?

If you want to pitch a tent, you should make sure your neighbors aren't going to want to kill you when you do.. if they DO want to kill you for pitching your tent in their back yards, perhaps you should find a new back yard .. eh?

Peacelover #33: Is that your evidence? Surely you know by now that our standards are a lot more rigorous than that.

Charlie #37: don't look now but your sarcasm is showing.

Mitch Spence #53 may be interested in a whisper my frozen little ears have heard lately: that Hezbollah has denied responsibility for the attack on Haida. If this is true then it may shed some light on your question.

It wouldn't be the first time a "terrorist attack" was blamed on someone who had nothing to do with it. And it won't be the last, either. That's for sure.

In these turbulent times, it's nice to know there's at least one thing we can be sure of.

False Flag Ops are here to stay.

So, every dead Lebonese (according to your math) is 1/2 of an Israeli..... bah! I knew that was backwards.. every dead Israeli is 2 Lebanese..

gah.. you get the idea.. 100 dead Lebanese is 50 dead Israeli.. is 2500 dead Americans.. by your math.. which has no merit in the discussion, and only serves to try and "inflame" by pretending that one human life is worth more than another. Just because a country is small and the death of it's citizens has a "larger percentage" of the total population doesn't change the fact that "human beings are being killed". And for something that can be fixed if the squatters would just leave.

Wayne, the "destruction of Israel" business is a huge red herring. So is it's cousin, "_______ doesn't want Israel to have the right to exist."

This talk would be silly, except so many people take it seriously. It's really propaganda, because ISRAEL DOES EXIST. Arguing that its enemies deny its right to exist is debating with straw men, because whatever Hamas and Hezbollah (and the former PLO) might dream of, nothing is going to make Israel disappear. Nothing. Countries don't disappear. They can't be destroyed. Israel is a sovereign nation and a member of the United Nations. Hamas and Hezbollah can no more make it disappear than Pakistani terrorists could make India disappear.

There exists a credible argument that Israel should not have been created out of Palestinian territory in 1948, i.e. Germany was responsible for the Holocaust, not Palestine. Thus, if Jews were entitled to territory as reparation for the Holocaust, they should have been given German land. But that argument is now moot, because Israel DOES EXIST AND WILL ALWAYS EXIST.
Zionists won the argument 58 years ago. There's no point in revisiting it, except to convert a political fait accompli into an excuse for endless bloodshed.

Welfl #43

Your link nails it.
Thank you for posting it for us.

Reports say it's the biggest response from Israel in 24 years.
That's a long time of relative quiet to suddenly go ballistic.
Israel has received MOST of our foreign aide (a huge amount) every year since they proved themselves the dominant power in their area.
Bush&Co. benefit from inciting chaos--they export weapons, plus they want that pipeline--as the Welfl link states.
Israel has been committing atrocities for years. No doubt about it.
Of course, so have WE--we are no better.
I don't hate Israel--I just hate what all that US money does to their leaders & other leaders all over the world.
We DO need to stop giving Israel so much of our wealth. Our support of Israel has really been at the heart of all the terrorist crap. You don't hear about the subject much because a lot of tv is owned by Jews.
That's the truth.

Speaking of $ corrupting leaders;
I talked with someone in London a while ago. We talked about why his PM would ever have agreed to invade Iraq with Bush when the Downing street memo clearly showed he knew the reasons for invasion were trumped up. Because it would have been very hard for Bush to pull the bogus invasion off, if he could have done it at all, without the backing of England.
He said his understanding was that Bush had their PM over a barrel re financial matters--such as imports/exports, & other matters.
Greed IS the root of all evil.
Greed & religion.

Religious leaders have gotten their followers to commit any number of atrocities "in the name of God" all through out history.
It's just another con game to get power & $ for some--at the expense of the rest.
John Lennon was ahead of his time & right on--religion sucks.
Look what's going on now.

P.S.
50,000 votes are not that many to get for the Nat'l Initiative to kick in. Not out of 300 million voters.

Charlene said:

Our support of Israel has really been at the heart of all the terrorist crap. You don't hear about the subject much because a lot of tv is owned by Jews.
That's the truth.

I wonder if you have any evidence to support your assertions. Please note that the statement "That's the truth." does not qualify as evidence.

Nothing personal, Charlene. But we do like evidence around here.

Remember

"Rachel Corrie ~
1979 - 2003"

http://www.rachelcorrie.org/news.htm

Friends,
Look you've got to figure it out yourselves!

And Wayne #24 "Subsequent investigations have shown that Isreal did not fire onto the crowded beach as originally reported."

Which investigations? By whom? And when? I've seen the footage and the photos.

Have you?

Peacelover great ROI (return on investment) don't ya thunk ?

Empathy is a funny thing.
It’s always seemed strange to me how humans respond to adversity .
Physically abused children go on to physically abuse their own children.
Sexually abused children go on to sexually abuse their own children.

And it would seem a race of people victimized by there host (German) go on to victimized their host (Palestinians).

Wayne

You have given us some voodoo math.

Now your choice is to face up, retract the voodoo math, and get back in step with a blog that likes accuracy.

A blog that does not reject speculation, but one that weighs speculation based upon the ground from whence the speculation tries to take flight.

Mitch Spence #53

Can you be serious too?

COMMENT #58
... Robert Lockwood Mills said
"because whatever Hamas and Hezbollah (and the former PLO) might dream of, nothing is going to make Israel disappear. Nothing. Countries don't disappear. They can't be destroyed"

Tell that to Tibet or Taiwan. Tell that to Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union. Nations can be destroyed by breakup from within or obsorbtion from without. No nations future is guaranteed. There is presently an Italy but the Roman Empire no longer exists.

Winter Patriot
PEACE!

#60 WP
Yeah, I read a book about it.
Let me find it & I'll get back to you.

Wayne says

Winter Patriot
PEACE!

Same to you, Wayne. PEACE it is! And that's the main thing.

I don't agree with some of what you have posted here today but I think your heart is in the right place and I hope mine is too. In response to your comment:

I hope it will end with Israel and Palistine living side by side in two peaceful and prosperous states.

I wish to add: YEAH! And as soon as possible too. This madness has gone on long enough!

I think flying our flags upside down will end all terrorism.

... Dredd said "Wayne You have given us some voodoo math"

Not voodoo match but my feeling that Israel is surrounded by unfriendly forces and is both surrounded and outnumbered. In this case they must be as strong as all the forces that surround them combined. As to my other numbers I hope that you understand that the impact on a family that has most of its members killed in a very small plane crash is more devastating to that small family than if one of its members is killed in a very large plane crash.

That said I'm not even sure what that has to do with anything but it might. And perhaps you can understand my point. I doubt it though. I have found in the past that most peoples positions on the issues of Israel and their neighbors have been cemented long ago.

Say, I have a question.

I have heard that 3% of all 300 million Americans are Jewish and the majority are Democrats. That's 9 million Jews in America.

Now, keeping that thought in mind� consider these interesting facts about Israel:
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Population:
6,116,533

Total Area:
20,770 sq. km
Slightly smaller than New Jersey

Government Type:
Parliamentary democracy

Religions:
Jewish 80.1%
Muslim 14.6%
Christian 2.1%, other 3.2%
Languages:
Hebrew (official)
Arabic used officially for Arab minority
English most commonly used foreign language

Legal System:
Mixture of English common law, British Mandate regulations, and, in personal matters, Jewish, Christian, and Muslim legal systems; in December 1985, Israel informed the UN Secretariat that it would no longer accept compulsory ICJ jurisdiction

Suffrage:
18 years of age and universal
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The above info indicates there's actually 4.9 million Jew's in Israel.

Since 3,000 American's died on 9/11 (some Jewish)... and 250,000 Iraq non-combatants were killed in the Iraq War (mostly woman/children) that America is fighting for Israel. Since 2,500 American Military died and 50,000 were injured (some Jewish) fighting Israel's Middle East War with Iraq. How does this effect the 50 to 1 and/or 500 to 1 net worth ratio of an average American, American Military death and /or American Jew verses an Israel Jew?

Then consider this info:

Why does Israel a country with a population of 4.9 million people receive 3 billion dollars annually in foreign aid from America? That is 1/7th of the USA's entire foreign aid budget, which is 21 billion dollars.

Why does a country the size of New Jersey with 1/60 the population of the USA have 66,000 AIPAC members lobbying USA state and federal governments.... and then another 250,000 people aligned with various other Israel political action groups doing the same thing? That is 1/14 the total population of Israel and 1/28th the total Jewish population of America.

Again I say "315,000 political action" members lobbying on behalf of a country with 4.9 million people?

Boy, numbers are fun aren't they?

Since Israel controls the Bush Adminstration and the US Government. All American's must live in the United States of Israel.

Question Americans better start asking� "Who really controls the US Government, who's war are we fighting and why?"

Wayne, losing "50" people in Israel does to the country's population (percentage wise) what losing 2500 Americans does to America.. NOTHING.. right?

In the U.S., we lose over 30,000 people a year to CAR ACCIDENTS (probably a lot more, but I am thinking of some number associated to drunk driving.. can't remember the exact stat though). Should we wage war on the Auto Manufacturers?

The simple fact of the matter is, it's not about "what kind of National Ratio are dying", it's the fact that Israel is responding with "way too much force" for the "crime" comitted. That is, 2 soldiers were abducted, so well over 100 civilians killed and millions of dollars of damage is done to the entire country? Trying to "bring it up to scope with Sept. 11, 2001" is to try and do the same tired and ignorant shit this Admin does with that date.. which is to sully the memories of those who died while pushing an illogical and amoral political position.

Israel is "surrounded" by a "lot of enemies" and has to be as "strong as all of them combined"? BULLSHIT.. false logic.. If those people don't want to wage war on their neighbors, they don't have to. If they want more "safety", they can move their "imposed country" to some land where they have more hospitable neighbors.. I've said it before in this thread, and it's being ignored like an elephant in the room.

Israel used their RELIGIOUS VIEWS to force themselves into the middle of RELIGIOUSLY OPPOSED PEOPLE and carved out a land for themselves. Then they set about causing strife in the region, and now are crying because they are being attacked.

Don't piss on an electric fence if you don't want your balls fried.. it's quite simple.

Savantster,
As I previously said,
"I have found in the past that most peoples positions on the issues of Israel and their neighbors have been cemented long ago."
I have had this argument with parties from both sides. You are not the first nor will you be the last party that I have decided that to argue with a wall is just a waste of my energies.

Considering that this is an open thread, nobody will accuse me of going OT if I mention an editorial in the New York Times which tells the truth --- albeit it slightly muted terms:

The Real Agenda

It is only now, nearly five years after Sept. 11, that the full picture of the Bush administration’s response to the terror attacks is becoming clear. Much of it, we can see now, had far less to do with fighting Osama bin Laden than with expanding presidential power.

Let there be Peace--
and let it begin with me!

Amen.

Here's how TV news should be...Democracy NOW! coverage of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Click on "Watch 128K Stream" to see what Democracy NOW! news looks like...it's on DISH 9410 LINK-TV & 9415 FSTV, or 375 DirecTV (LINK-TV)... and compare it to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN's coverage.

http://www.democracynow.....pl?sid=06/07/17/1423257

On Democracy NOW!, it said that Israeli attacks have killed 8 entire families in Lebanon. Did they tell us that on ABC, NBC, CBS, & CNN? Just wondering...

"Charlene said:

Our support of Israel has really been at the heart of all the terrorist crap. You don't hear about the subject much because a lot of tv is owned by Jews.
That's the truth.

I wonder if you have any evidence to support your assertions. Please note that the statement "That's the truth." does not qualify as evidence."

try these links

http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/
http://compuserb.com/mediain1.htm
http://www.nationalvangu...rd.org/story.php?id=4022

or this example:
"JEWISH MEDIA SUPREMACY

Such as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible? ” —Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

“This (Jewish) stranglehold (on the media) has got to be broken or this country’s going down the drain,” Graham said, agreeing with Nixon’s comments earlier in the conversation. “You believe that?” Nixon says in response. “Yes, sir,” says Graham. “Oh boy. So do I,” Nixon agrees, then says: “I can’t ever say that, but I believe it.” (Recorded 1972 conversation between Richard Nixon and Rev. Billy Graham at the White House)(1)

Four of the largest five entertainment giants are now run or owned by Jews. Murdoch’s News Corp (at number four) is the only gentile holdout — however Rupert is as pro-Israel as any Jew, probably more so.” (Los Angeles Jewish Times (2) Oct. 29. 1999) [other sources claim Murdoch’s mother, Elisabeth J. Greene, is Jewish]"

http://www.davidduke.com/?p=358

This is still an open thread, right?

Then it's probably ok if I post a link that will make us all proud of our tax dollars at work:

NYT: Up to 48 Iraqis Killed in Attack on Market

The New York Times doesn't give you a lot of context, but that's ok.

Here's some context for you!

(disclosure: the second link leads to an article I wrote last December)

What I'm wondering, did Israel "enter" or "invade" Lebanon? And how many of the casualties on both sides are civilians vs. soldiers or Hezbollah? And Lebanese civilians??? They aren't even Israeli's OR Hezbollah!!! Also, in 5 years of the Bush administration, did Bush seriously sit down at all with both sides and try to strike a deal? And was Hamas democratically elected? We're trying to spread democracy in the middle east...except if the Palestinians democratically elect Hamas??? None of the above makes any sense.

Winter wrote:

>>A very disturbing report today from The Scotsman has the Lebanese Information Minister accusing Israel of "using internationally prohibited weapons against civilians"
....
>> May God protect the peaceful people of the Middle East, peaceful people of all countries. And may He smite the warmongers with a terrible swift sword.

Here's a quote from the New York Times I find apropos:

Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking re-election to the Senate and is considered a possible candidate for president in 2008, also compared Israel?s fierce response, which has included heavy bombardment of Lebanon, to a theoretical response by the United States if it faced attacks from neighboring countries.

?I want us here in New York to imagine, if extremist terrorists were launching rocket attacks across the Mexican or Canadian border, would we stand by or would we defend America against these attacks from extremists?? Mrs. Clinton said to roars of approval.

http://www.nytimes.com/2...ff1459e85&ei=5087%0A

So, the terrorists could attack from Barrie, Ontario, Canada for instance. Definitely, if there was a extremist there, Clinton would want to lay waste to the entire town just like in the Middle East. And when peaceful people come home to find their what's left of their peaceful kids dead in the crater that used to be their backyard (Roars of Approval. That's it, isn't it?) they will be able to appreciate the depth of Senator Clinton's wisdom.

Unfortunately, few in America would likely be exposed to the depth of their appreciation through the usual channels. Well, until lately, that is. Congrats and long live the Brad Blog.

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See the vicious Barrie, Ontario for yourself, if you dare:
http://www.city.barrie.o...SCM=0&MI=2&L1M=2

ICGreen

ICRed to read those words from Madam Clinton, but I'm very grateful that you posted them... and for your commentary.

I have changed the links I posted in comments #74 and #82. If you wanted to read them but couldn't get past the NYT firewall, please try again.

Disclosure: those links now lead to new pages at please don't read my blog.

Thanks, Welfl #48 -

Great editorial. I printed it off immediately for others to read. Normally, I get to Counterpunch, but there's just too much material on the web this week.

WP -

I MISS your "please don't read my blog!" Are you ever going to get it up and running again?

Ricky - The Saudis funded and pretended to be members of Hezbollah. The information about this is out there if you'd only look. Don't believe the lies...they only perpetuate war.

At least we have the Strategic Thinker to see us through this!

BB2!

Did you really link to that for the "strategic thinker" or the stuff to the right of him?

My sympathies are with the unfortunate citizens of Lebanon. Too weak from years of occupation and civil war to fight the terrorists of Israel and Hezbollah, They are sitting ducks as these two crazy groups attempt to destroy each other with hatred and weapons. Lebanon has the misfortune of sharing borders with Israel and Syria. As these lunatics try kill one another, poor Lebanon is always in the crossfire. Their geographic location will never grant them peace, no matter what they do. Very sad. The humanitarian crisis that will follow this man made disaster will be a horror. God help them.

Shhhhh!

Mark #11 at "Escape from San Diego" started it with his coulter link - got lost after that!

I "converted" to Judaism in the late '60s because I was engaged to a Jewish man and we wanted our children to be brought up coherently. Jewishness is NOT Zionism,. which is a world-pervading, life-destroying philosophy of a master race, itself counterfeit because most Jews ARE NOT SEMITIC. They are Eastern European.

Please God, STOP this insane bloodletting. My nightmares are the world's.

WP, I'm cold too - but swelterimg in unprecedented heat and humdiity in what is supposed to be our nation's most salubrious summer clime...the northern Maine coast. The stacks MUST be regulated.

Peg C. #88: Thanks for your kind words. I posted a few news articles today at please don't read my blog because I was afraid they were going to disappear and I needed a place to put them. I don't know whether I will continue to do that or whether I will resume more conventional blogging but if I do, I'll let you know. Thanks again!

# 79 MMIIXX

Thanks for jumping in there to help--those were good sources of info if anyone reads them.

# 60 Winter Patriot

Apparently, not everyone knows our support of Israel is a problem for us & about Jews running the media.

So, for your education, Winter Patriot---& since YOU ASKED---I repeat YOU ASKED---The book I remember reading many years ago with a friend in St. Louis re how media is owned & run by Jews was called "The Dispossessed Majority" by Robertson. I didn't agree with it's conclusions, but I couldn't argue with it's facts & the research behind it.
I looked everywhere here & can't locate my book, so it must be at the cabin. But that's ok because MMIIXX helped with some references that also prove it. These are from the David Duke.com site from 11/02 & 11/05.
Duke is not a nice person, but his facts are researched & true. ( & they're newer than my book's info which I read in the eighties)
You've heard from DemocracyNow! & Citizen.org & others that 5 or 6 huge conglomerates own all the media now.
Well, here goes:
1. Disney Ceo Michael Eisner, a Jew
2. Time Warner CEO Steven Bornstein, a Jew
3. Viacom headed by Summer Redstone (born Murray Rothstein, a Jew)
4. Rupert Murdock's News Corporation, which owns Fox. Murdock is gentile but Peter Chernin, who heads his film studio & TV production is a Jew.
5. Sony is Japanese but their US subsidiary is run by Michael Schulhot, a Jew. Alan Levine, another Jew, heads Sony pictures division

Most of the TV & movie production companies that are not owned by one of the 5 big corporations are also owned by Jews;
New World Entertainment is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew.
Dreamworks was founded by 3 jews--David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg & Steven Spielberg.
MCA & Universal Pictures are both jowned by Seagram Co.--the CEO of Seagram is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. who is also the President of the World Jewish Congress.

Executive Producers of ABC news are Jews.
Victor Newfeld (20/20)
Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America)
Rich Kaplan (World News Tonight)

CBS news president is Eric Ober, a Jew.

NBC news president is Andrew Lack, a Jew, as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today), Jeff Gealnick (NBC Nightly News) & Neal Shapiro (Dateline)

Michael Medved, a conservative who has a radio show in many stations all over the country where he cheers for Bush & tells lies to cover for Bush&Co's crimes, & he also reviews movies, is a Jew. He wrote an article that ran in the August 1996 issue of "Moment" magazine with the headline & cover "Jews Run Hollywood: So What?"
In the article Medved says, "It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power & prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most influential production executives at each of the major movie studios will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."
He goes on to say, "Jewish writers & directors employ unquestionably flattering depictions of Jews for audiences that react with sympathy & affection."
So, it's pretty common knowledge that Jews run it all.
There are more facts about Jews running the major newspapers, & also Jews reviewing many of the movies, but I'm tired of typing, which I'm not good at anyway & have to keep fixing my typos as I go, so you can read it for yourself, if you have read this far & care to know. I say this because some here don't even read what you actually write, much less the links, so I don't see the value in bothering myself with it any further.

This is the first peek at why Israel is always depicted favorably by MSM & why they don't talk about how our support of Israel is causing us a lot of problems.
If one reads several trusted independent sources about Israel & the US--you'll see for yourself why this is so.
But I'll list somthing for you. I think TomDispatch.com did a nice job of explaining it.
I'll have to look it up tomorrow & get back to you:

Silly me. I could have saved myself a lot of trouble.

I studied a number of independent news sources, called up personal knowledge gained through reading obscure books, & got a foreign friend's input before forming my opinion on this complicated subject & giving it here.
After reading the other comments, I see I could have just asked my spouse what he thinks & plunked that out for consumption.....no one could have asked for my sources!

Yet I get hassled.
Go figure.

Being really big and dangerous as hell doesn't always insure survival, just ask Grizzly bears, (no reference to bears on Brad Blog), in North America!

George Bush hates and fears poor people. This passage from Ron Suskind's book about the strange experience Paul O' Neil had while serving as Bush's Secretary of the Treasury is telling about Bush's thoughts on the matter. While discussing Clinton's approach to handling the Israel/Palestinian issue, Bush said he had flown over the Palestine with Sharon in 1998 and said sourly, "Looked real bad down there. I don't see much we can do over there at this point. I think it's time to pull out of that situation"

Colin Powell and O'Neil were taken aback by the simplistic plan and Powell said such a move might be hasty. He tried to give Bush a short history and stressed that a pullback by the United States would unleash Sharon and the Israeli army adding, the consequences of that could be dire, "especially for the Palestinians."

Bush shrugged. "Maybe that's the best way to get things back in balance."

Powell seemed startled. Bush added "sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things"

Mike Malloy put it in a nut shell the other night. He said The Bible says an eye for an eye, not a thousand eyes for an eye.

Of course Bush and Cheney like to send those types of "messages" to "clarify things"

By the way, Suskinds new book, "The 1 percent solution" talks about how the CIA made a special trip to see Bush at the ranch just before 911 to alert him to the fact that something big was about to happen and Bush told them "Well, OK, you've covered your asses".

Hmmm! Suskind has lots of friends in very high places that don't like what's going on at all. Hope this incredible, (reality based), author doesn't have an accident!

Hey, everybody, there is a nice lady named Lindy who keeps trying to get on this subject with us, but the threads keep getting ahead of her. So, her comment can be found here. I linked her to this page, and you to her comment, and so... any minute now the time/space warp will smooth out and everyone can be together.

Thanks, Charlene.

I don't think you should assume that nobody reads what you post here. Personally, I have read the whole thing. Some parts more than once.

You can bet (and this goes for everyone, not just Charlene) that if I ask you to corroborate something you have said (especially on a thread that I started), I am going to show you the courtesy of reading your entire response, at the very least! And I hope many others will as well.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm hassling you. Sometimes people say things that are ... shall we say ... controversial ... or they make assertions that would be very powerful if we could prove them ... and if they don't provide any corroborating evidence ... and if I'm paying attention ... I very often ask them if they can provide any support for their position.

It doesn't necessarily mean that I am ignorant of the issues involved, and it is never meant in a personal way either. All it means is that your statement could use some support.

So ... if I ask you a question like I did today, I don't mean it as a hassle. I mean it as a chance for you to explain what you think and why. Rather than seeing it as my having given you a burden, perhaps you could look at it as if I had offered you the floor, and a microphone, and a spotlight.

That's a much more apt analogy, IMO. And thanks again for clarifying your earlier statement.

Charlene #96

What is a 'Jew'?

Do you mean it in the sense of 'christian', 'moslem', and 'jew', or do you mean it in the sense of 'arab', 'jew', 'european', 'north american', 'australian', or what?

The way WP responded it was like he sanctioned everything you said about those you call 'jew'.

I can't agree or disagree because I can not get a sense of what you mean by the word 'jew' because of the way the word is embedded within your post, and how that meaning is related by nexus to your subject matter.

Dredd writes:

The way WP responded it was like he sanctioned everything you said about those you call 'jew'.

and I apologize if that's the impression I gave.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant it as in "OK. Here are the particulars. What do you think?"

Peg C #94

"Jewishness is NOT Zionism,. which is a world-pervading, life-destroying philosophy of a master race, itself counterfeit because most Jews ARE NOT SEMITIC. They are Eastern European."

As far as I'm aware, the controllers of the state of Israel are largely Ashkenazim - decendents of eastern European families. They occupy the main positions of power within the Israeli government and military.

The semitic people were (and still are as far as I know) the indigenous peoples of the middle east - a semitic person being one who spoke the semitic language - be they worshipers of Islam, Yaweh, Christ - whatever.

Zionism is not a faith - it is a political ideology, much the same as Fascism, Capitalism, Liberalism or Communism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism - but has managed to successfully confuse the issue to serve its own ends.

IMO, there is one race - the human race! People can delude themselves and profess that their own paticular dogmatic belief system is better than someone else's - that's their choice - just don't ask me to agree with it. BUT more to the point, what the human race needs now is to address extremism, in all its forms, before we anhialate our home world.

Peace

In my post #12, above, I linked to a Newt Gingrich statement that we are in WW III.

Another prominent member of the republican dictatorship says, no, we are in WW IV:

In the address to a group of college students, Woolsey described the Cold War as the third world war and said "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us. Hopefully not the full four-plus decades of the Cold War."

(link here, bold added). They have so many wars on the brain they do not seem to be able to keep track of them.

Perhaps that is why we all suffer from their ignorance of history ... those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

They think WW II and IV will be so fluffy we can miss them unless we watch closely?

Scary ... listen you two dorks Gingrich and Woolsey ... a nuclear world war, (the next would be III), will be the greatest catastrophe mankind has gone thru and noone will miss it accidentally.

Yes, and they've had it hardwired for a long time. In Lindy's comment on the other thread she links to this article at Think Progress:

http://thinkprogress.org...neocons-middle-east-war/

Given what's passing for normal in our world, maybe we should give our so-called lunatics a shot at running this asylum? How could they do worse than this?

Amen, again.

WP #99

I meant a certain person, not you, who obviously doesn't read my comments--but skims them--& gets the gist wrong.
I thought you were the one erasing my reasonable remarks when I wrote that.
Between the tag team you & 99 have been making on different threads, I certainly am being hassled.
Gee I wonder why I'd be irritated?

Dredd #100
Please don't start with the 'Charlene Hates Jews' bit.
I don't.
If I say blacks & hispanics commit most of the crime--do I hate blacks & hispanics? Or am I stating fact?
Please try to discern the difference before jumping.

I've known Jews control MSM all along--but never saw a need to point it out--til now--because it's central to why you don't hear negative about what our support of Israel costs us.
A Jew is sombody that was born into a family that considers itself Jewish, a family that descended from the Israelites in the Bible. Or they could be a convert to Judaism.

Anyone remember the Hamdan v Rumsfeld decision?

One legal scholar has detailed how the media are spreading myths about the decision (link here).

It shows how the laws of war apply to the president.

Charlene #105

You said "Please don't start with the 'Charlene Hates Jews' bit". Fine with me, it is just that people throw so many terms around that if I don't ask what they mean I may misunderstand them.

You said "A Jew is sombody that was born into a family that considers itself Jewish, a family that descended from the Israelites in the Bible. Or they could be a convert to Judaism."

Ok, that is the racial idea from the Bible. According to that Judah was one of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob's name was changed to Israel, and then he had 12 sons, which then developed into 12 "tribes", the "12 tribes of Israel").

So what nexus is there between the descendants of Judah ("Jews") and journalism? I do not get that connection. I also would not get it if the connection was to blacks, hispanics, caucasians, or indians.

Where is the nexus between race and ownership of media companies?

Are you saying that race will have noticeable effect on "how media is owned & run"?

Dredd

I remember Hamdan and have been wondering when the administration and congress will remember it. Think maybe they just need a little time to get used to the idea, or what?

Thank you for depressing the living snot out of me with your link! I had no idea it had gotten to the point of outright fabrications, and/or mistakes of such transcendent ignorance, being bandied about in publications many believe are reputable. (No wonder the trolls take such umbrage at our refusal to let them disinform here! They think it's normal!) That decision was a miracle, considering our times, and it's being ignored, shunted aside, turned inside out and knotted up beyond recognition. I suppose it yet remains perfectly safe to rely on the public's unwillingness to endure more than two lines of legalese. Sheesh. And, double sheesh.

Agent99 #108

Yes, in the MSM Shit happens and Sh*t happens:

http://www.editorandpubl...nu_content_id=1002840572

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What many are forgetting, in the Hamdan case, is that the original decision came down from a federal district court judge who had ruled against the president.

The Supreme Court in Hamdan upheld that federal district court judge, and reversed the judges on the higher up appellate court (one of whom was Roberts, the current Chief Justice).

The importance of this is being hidden. What it means is that the regime must now deal with a federal judge who has not and will not take any shit or sh*t from them!

That is why they ran to the rubber stamp congress with their tails between their legs.

But make no mistake, they will still have to deal with the judge and he will not let them bullshit or bullsh*t!

Dredd

The way I hear it, Hamdan blows *'s "legal" defenses for his numerous crimes against the 4th Amendment, among other things, all the way out of the water. The professors at Georgetown are positively giddy about the implications. (I am too, but, uh, it requires persons willing to adhere to law for these implications to bear their fruit.) The first blush triumph is (should have been) that the men at Gitmo will no longer be tortured or treated so badly, and get a decent hearing so that they might actually get out of that hellhole. But the implications, as I heard them explained, are just dazzling for the rest of us too. What if we had a legislative branch that was disposed to enforce the law?

November means everything to almost everyone in the world.

Agent99, #104 - Ever since this thread started there was something nagging at the back of my mind. Your last comment brought it to the forefront. Do you remember the movie King of Hearts? In case not, it was a seminal anti-war film, in which in fact the lunatics did take over a little town, briefly, and what an improvement it was! Sure, they were a collection of odd people, but there wasn't a single certifiable homicidal maniac among them, which could not be said about the military geniuses they replaced. If any of you haven't seen that movie, I recommend it highly! And yeah, WP, it's past time for you to resurrect your blog(s)!

Czaragorn

Man! That rang bells. Couldn't quite find it in the old bean. So I googled, and are we talking Alan Bates in 1967? First time I ever saw Alan Bates was in The Go Between, circa 1970, and fell flat on my ass in love with him! Impressionable young thing. Were they speaking French? Were there subtitles? I have such bad eyes I would not have seen it with subtitles. I have the choice: read, or watch movie. Not both. That sounds like my kinda movie, and maybe I need to see it. Maybe it would cheer me up. Maybe I could get Agent 86 to read the subtitles while I sigh over the young Alan Bates!

Indeed yes, 99! Alan Bates it was, and, yes, there were subtitles (although I didn't remember that, seeing as how my French was perfect in those days). The movie started playing at a little theater in Central Square, Cambridge, and was so popular that it ran, 3 shows a day, for about 6 years, to the exclusion of anything else, packed house every show, as I recall! Try to get a copy - read it the first time, then just watch the second. Bates shone like the true star he was, as did everyone involved. I saw it a half a dozen times, and I'd surely love to see it again...

PS - Alan and his cohorts all spoke English in the film, only the French loony bin residents spoke French, as I recall, so you can get in plenty of swooning the first time through!

Oh! Excellent! That tears it! I'm going to have to spend some grocery money on one of those video rental services. The pickings are too slim here in the boondocks. Thanks, Czaragorn!

Thanks to Peg C. for distinguishing between Judaism and Zionism.

The modern Zionist movement is barely a century old. It is predicated on a biblical promise (considerably older, about 30 centuries) made by Yahweh (Hebrew God) to Jews who had been oppressed by Persian and Egyptian armies. "You will have your Zion," said God, meaning a sanctuary where I will protect you.

Modern Zionism arose out of pogroms in Czarist Russia in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. Some Jews escaped to Europe and the United States, others weren't so lucky. Out of sympathy for their plight, the Balfour Declaration (English) during World War I laid a blueprint for a new Zion in the Middle East. England and the League of Nations drew artificial boundaries for other new countries as the Ottoman Empire collapsed (Mesopotamia became Iraq, for example), but the new Zion didn't arise until after World War II, and not because of anything the Palestinians had done...but because Hitler repeated the pattern established by Russian czars, in an even crueler way.

Since 1948 indigenous Palestinians have been accused of denying Israel its right to exist. Some do, but that rhetoric misses the point. A better way to say it is, "Israel exists, without a doubt...but wouldn't it have been fairer to create it out of Russian or German land, given that modern Zionism arose out of Russian and German sins, instead of penalizing innocent Palestinians by driving them out of their homes?"

I'm drawing a distinction between "hating Jews" and "Israel has too much influence over U.S. policy". I'm of the latter. I could care less if someone is Jewish or not. Doesn't mean a thing to me.

Czaragorn & Agent99

King of hearts - one of my all time favorite movies.
The ending is outstanding, but I won't ruin it for 99!

This really pisses me off! Doesn't this fall under the Anti Terrorist laws? If you use a gun in this state it makes no difference if it's loaded or not - you still get more time for it. This is terrorism, regardless the fact that it was an inert substance. This bitch should be in prison!!!!

BB2 --- Good morning!

I wonder if anyone's thought to just throw a bucket of water on her, see what happens? In fact, there is a whole faction of people in this country nowadays who, I sometimes wonder, might just dissolve back into the putrid ooze from whence they sprung if only we could figure out the exact combination of spells to use toward this end. Have done with the lot. Poof. Unfortunately, I think if voodoo actually worked, they'd already be gone.

Wildly disproportionate attack on Lebanon seems like pretext to confront Iran, says Linda McQuaig

http://www.thestar.com/N...204&col=968350116795

Rolling Stone: The Return Of The Draft (thank you, Republicans)

http://www.rollingstone....the_return_of_the_draft/

btw...there was an article where Bushco said that we will be in Iraq until 2016, so if you have kids under 10, guess what??? They're not safe from what Bushco has done...When the Iraq War based on lies first started, I remember people saying, "Well, if there's a draft, my kids will miss it. They're all under 10 years old." 2016 - 2006 = 10 years. 10 more years we'll be there + 10 year old kid = 20 year old kid!!!

RLM #116 - really, wouldn't Tsarist Russia work just as well? Just a little sensitive...

Peacelover #102 -

Exactly!

My apologies if these are repeats:

Urgent Warning: CNN prepares Israeli false flag war provocation vs. Americans in Lebanon
By Webster G. Tarpley
Online Journal Guest Writer
Jul 17, 2006, 00:51

Washington DC, July 15 (1 PM EDT) --- The escalating Israeli assault on Lebanon clearly represents a conscious bid to provoke a general war in the Middle East. The captured Israeli soldiers are only the pretext for the present massive military operations.

Israeli spokesmen are making constant allegations that Hezbollah missiles being fired at Israel have been manufactured or delivered by Iran. At the same time, the Israelis accuse Hezbollah of wanting to transfer the two captured Israeli soldiers to Syria or Iran. These statements are an attempt to build a case for an Israeli sneak attack on Syria and/or Iran. US spokesmen, including the Nietzschean fascist John Bolton, constantly repeat the litany that Syria and Iran are the supporters of Hezbollah.

How might the Israelis and their Bush-Cheney allies escalate to a Middle East regional war? A linear scenario is that, after further bombardment of Israel by rockets allegedly made in Iran and allegedly delivered with the connivance of Syria, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) lashes out at Damascus and Teheran. Syrian and Iranian retaliatory measures would then be seized upon by the Bush-Cheney regime as a pretext for US entry into the war. Here the US would be openly dragged into war as the tail of the Israeli dog. But this is a deeply flawed scenario, sure to generate huge waves of resentment against the Israelis and their US partners as the body bags begin to come home.

False flag scenarios would be entirely more effective from the point of view of the war planners. CNN and MSNBC coverage this Saturday morning has been stressing the situation of the 25,000 Americans now stuck in Lebanon. These Americans are being invited to register with the US consulates for possible evacuation. The State Department and the US military have been remarkably slow to begin such an evacuation.

One possible provocation scenario to bring the US into the war is that a helicopter carrying US citizens being evacuated out of Lebanon is hit by a missile and destroyed, killing all on board. The missile might be fired by the Israelis or by their allies among the fascist Lebanese Phalangists. The Israelis would announce that the helicopter had been destroyed by Hezbollah, opening the way for a hysterical campaign by Fox News and the rest of the neocon mass brainwashing apparatus to secure an early US attack on Syria and Iran.

An alternative: a group of Arabic-speaking Israeli Mossad or Shin Beth special forces, or a group of Phalangist militia round up a few dozen Americans and machine-gun them to death. The controlled media then blame the massacre on Hezbolllah, thus stampeding the US population into war.

The "Christian" Phalangist (or "Kataeb Party") have long been a willing cat's paw for the US and Israelis in Lebanon. It was the Phalangists, controlled by the Gemayel family, who did most of the actual killing at the infamous Tel-al-Zaatar massacre in August 1976, in the midst of the Kissinger-provoked Lebanese civil war. The Phalangists in that case did the dirty work under the supervision of the Israelis. Although the controlled media have been silent about the Phalange, it is clear that they are still available for dirty operations.

In an ominous sign, CNN broadcasts have featured first-person interviews with Caroline Shamoun, supposedly an American stuck in Lebanon. This reference recalls Camille Chamoun, the CIA puppet president of Lebanon who called in US forces in 1958. The goal of the current campaign is manifestly to call US forces to intervene into a Lebanon-centered crisis once again.

All peace-loving governments and all Americans of good will should make it clear that they hold the Israeli Mossad, Shin Beth, and Israeli Defense Forces directly responsible for the safety and welfare of the Americans trapped in Lebanon by the present aggression. Any atrocities against these Americans cannot be attributed to Hezbollah, Syria, or Iran, none of whom has any conceivable interest in provoking the US into an attack. It is Israel and Cheney who have such an interest, as is likely to have been discussed during Olmert's visit to the US in May and Netanyahu's visit here in June.

It is imperative that the US and world populations be inoculated against the provocation scenarios now being propagandized by CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the controlled media.

Webster Griffin Tarpley is author of the books "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA," the only "full MIHOP" or "inside job from A to Z" study of 9/11 in print; and co-author of "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography," which was the first to break the story of the Bush dynasty's key role in launching Adolf Hitler.

Copyright © 1998-2006 Online Journal

http://onlinejournal.com...ublish/article_998.shtml

We're Being Set Up for Wider War in the Middle East
by Paul Craig Roberts

"Today, this neoconservative plan is unfolding before our eyes. Israel has used the capture of two of its soldiers in Lebanon as an excuse for an all-out air and naval bombardment against Lebanese civilian targets. However, a number of commentators have pointed out that such a massive attack requires weeks if not months of preparation that could not be done overnight in response to the capture of the soldiers."

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=9317

U.S.-Backed Israeli Policies Pursuing "End of Palestine"
Noam Chomsky interviewed by Amy Goodman & Juan Gonzalez
Democracy Now, July 14, 2006

A version of the kidnapping sequence varying from MSM propaganda:

"...Gaza, itself, the latest phase, began on June 24. It was when Israel abducted two Gaza civilians, a doctor and his brother. We don't know their names. You don’t know the names of victims. They were taken to Israel, presumably, and nobody knows their fate. The next day, something happened, which we do know about, a lot. Militants in Gaza, probably Islamic Jihad, abducted an Israeli soldier across the border. That’s Corporal Gilad Shalit. And that's well known; first abduction is not. Then followed the escalation of Israeli attacks on Gaza, which I don’t have to repeat. It’s reported on adequately."

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20060714.htm

Yesterday CNN anchor Tony Harris interviewed a frantic American woman, Sara Ahmadia, who is on the ground in Lebanon. Ahmadia, offering first-hand accounts and descriptions, was trivialized and diverted by Harris, who naturally had to intervene once it became clear that the woman's accounts didn't gel with "official" propaganda:

Ahmadia: "It's horrible because we checked ahead of time. I'm very, very surprised. We went from hearing the first bombs on Wednesday during the day to waking up Thursday morning and finding ourselves completely isolated from the rest of the world. It's terrifying. Before we knew it, the airport was bombed, the highways were bombed, closing off Syria and that was it, we were stuck ... I'm waiting for the United States to, you know, they haven't been very communicative with people here. We feel very abandoned, quite frankly. I'm just waiting for them to come up with something.

If I may say one more thing, though, probably the most important reason why I wanted to be on the air because it has absolutely nothing to do with me and everything to do with who's letting people know that these are civilian targets getting bombed and the United States, right now, our government is supporting the bombing of innocent civilians. There's only a few Hezbollah killed and like 200 Lebanese civilians that have absolutely nothing to do with Hezbollah. Many of them are against Hezbollah and our government needs to stop this."

Harris responds: "All right Sara, you understand there is an entirely different view of the situation on the ground than the one you've just expressed, you understand that, correct?"

Ahmadia: "I understand that and it's horrible. I don't know what information is being conveyed to the United States, but it's not what is happening here."
http://transcripts.cnn.c...IPTS/0607/17/lol.02.html

Energised Neo-Cons Say Israel's Fight is Washington's
http://www.commondreams..../headlines06/0718-06.htm

James Woolsey Calls For An Attack On Syria
http://www.infowars.com/...sey_calls_for_attack.htm

Do you see how much smarter we are this time around? We know exactly what's going on. I didn't the first time. Idiot kook-aid drinkers still don't know, but their numbers are dwindling. I was actually 50-50 for the War in Iraq, when I was lied to the first time. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, I'M A KOOK-AID DRINKING RIGHTWING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!

Sadly, these people actually are allowed to vote. They vote Republican, too.

uuuuuummmm..... GAY MARRIAGE! aaaa.... FLAG BURNING!.. uuuuu.... ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! While that's going on, the neo-cons are getting us into a war with Iran, stealing our tax money for war, taking it for 1% rich tax cuts, taking it from college aid for our kids, medicare, medicaid, turning back the clock on health & technology & the environment, getting our soldiers killed in a war based on lies, perpetual war for profits for their friends, buying government time ala Abramoff, WOW! How stupid can these people be? Who would vote for these creeps? Not that they actually won....

Big Dan #131

You've got that quote all wrong:Fool Me

US warships head for Lebanon, thousands flee bombing

http://today.reuters.com...S-MIDEAST-EVACUATION.xml

RE: https://bradblog.com/?p=3070#comment-89006

(I'll try this again. I'll catch up. Thanks again Agent 99! Quotes still queasy on ##3070)

Once again the �facts were fixed� ahead of time. That happened probably when they were at Camp David and had their �pose�. Bush swaggered up with the hands in the old gunslinger position. Said a word or two to the reporters, then snuck away on a different helicopter and surprised the boys in Iraq. A peculiarly excited countenance on Rumsfeld though, an aura of breathlessness of tyrannical secrets abrew, was upon him. Either that or he lost control of his bodily functions and his little shoe-boots were sloshing.

Bush wants to go to war with Iran, but it would look as uncouth as Iraq was, and we have no great wealth and won�t support it. Timing for the G-8 meeting was no happenstance. (Of course, it was planned!)

Israel had been pushing and shoving a bit for some time, but no over-action until Bush was �eating pig� in Germany. Were we surprised? Not. Bush says, �Stay the course� in different words, but same. He meets privately to schmooze with Pootie, as he called his Russian friend, (attempt to work up a deal.) Stepped in it a wee bit with Putin, received a public slap or two from it, but still all are smiling and laughing for the photo-op. Putin had a more professional demeanor,(a more serious face.) They may have had too much of the vodka. Bush would not let Russia into the WTO however, so not �Disaster accomplished� yet.
So, it was Syria�s and Iran�s fault for everything that is happening between Israel and Lebanon. Can we wonder why protestors in Israel were screaming, �It�s George Bush! He�s the one behind all this!�

Bush would not dare to jump into a preemptive war again, Right? So, what could the maestros of this messy scene have in mind? � Anger Iran and Syria enough, perhaps, just perhaps, their foulest dreams would come true! They might attack Israel, and then, the father of all nightmares for us all. The G-8 would back Bush to begin the war on Iran and Syria that MSM has been hoping for. The first description of a missile into north Israel was that it was a �silkworm� missile. I have not heard that used since.

Coreesa has been squawking about this being their �script� for days in comments to various articles over at HuffingtonPost.com. She thinks these staged events will knock out our upcoming elections if the script is successful. She�s right!

I�ve got a question or two:

What if the Iranians and Syrians don�t act accordingly to their anticipated (psych-ops) moves and attack Israel?

What if they just sit back and watch as Bush is doing, so to speak?

What if the G-8 and the UN do not back Bush in the beginning of this war described as WWW III? Sanity and better judgment just could prevail!
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Hopefully this will clarify why there should be NO fighting. It should stop because everyone fighting and being slaughtered on both sides are PAWNS.

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NEW:

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that President Bush personally blocked Justice Department lawyers from pursuing an internal probe of the warrantless eavesdropping program that monitors Americans� international calls and e-mails when terrorism is suspected.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com...13918661/#storyContinued
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and finally, ...

To: ... BIG DAN said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:58 pm PT...

http://today.reuters.com...S-MIDEAST-EVACUATION.xml

OK - I accept defeat (on the quotes only)! At least the ? are easier to read than the previous symbols.
I removed the formatting when I copied it, and pasted it here in plain text. Sorry, everyone!

I spoke of Hamdan v Rumsfeld days ago & asked everyone to tell their Representative to impeach once again because it's another offense.
Guess it was missed.

I spoke of the new draft laws with women & groups such as health care workers being sent first days ago.
Guess it was missed.

Dredd #107

I got my definition of a Jew, since YOU asked----from the dictionary. ("Random House Webster's" dictionary--before you ask my source). I did not get it from my evil plan to disparage the Jews.

ONCE AGAIN, for those that don't read carefully---I have known Jews control media since the 80's--it's a fairly well known fact as far as I can tell--but I have not mentioned it until now because now it is central to my point about why you don't hear bad things about what our huge support of Israel costs us--in speaking about the increased violence of late etc.
Why don't YOU look the subject up & see what you find yourself?
I didn't make it up--these are facts.
I can't help it if some don't like the facts.

What is the "nexus" you ask?
Well, you could deduce it for yourself from the facts, but let me hold your hand:

*When someone is in a position of power in which they can edit/cut/change what is allowed to be seen or known about a subject they care about--some will purposely slant the subject in their favor because they CAN.*
As a journalist/editor, you're supposed to tell the the truth & let the rightness or wrongness of any subject fall where it may.

*That's what power does to some.*

It does not mean that whatever nationality they happen to belong to as a whole is behaving unfairly.
It means THEY are. Period.

If the MSM were as honest & fair as Brad is, for instance, with his blog--our country would be better off.

Don't kill the messenger.

http://uk.oneworld.net/a.../v...w/136518/1/7468

18 July 2006

US using 'dangerous new form of weapon'

From Brett Wagner, president of the California Center for Strategic Studies:

A couple of weeks ago I sent you an urgent email titled "The Most Shocking Thing I Have Ever Seen."

Since then, the California Center for Strategic Studies (CCSS) has been gathering additional evidence that the U.S. government has deployed a very dangerous new form of weapon in Iraq, apparently without congressional approval.

We have now set up an online petition calling on the U.S. Congress to oppose the development and deployment of the "pain ray" and the "death ray":

http://www.PetitionOnlin...De...y/petition.html

The petition also serves as a rough draft for prospective legislation.

Enclosed at the bottom of this email is an op-ed I've written which is going out all across the country next week. It will fill you in on most of the details. Thanks to our efforts, this story is probably going to be VERY BIG very soon.

Over the past week I've placed a number of phone calls to my usual contacts on Capitol Hill, and several key congressional staff members are interested in setting up a joint meeting for me to brief them on these issues. (We've worked with many of these same staffers on previous legislation.)

We believe there is a very good chance we can introduce legislation right after the August recess, but it's very important that we get the ball rolling SOON.

A few on the Democratic side of the aisle also believe this could become a very big issue in the November elections, for all the obvious reasons: mismanagement of the war in Iraq, a dangerous new precedent, etc.

(That's not to say this should be a "political issue" - but the reality is, in Washington everything is political to some extent.)

Opportunities like this to make a real difference in the course of Human Events are the primary reason why we launched our think tank 7 years ago. Since we are a small tightly-run organization, we rely almost totally on contributions from regular people like you - that means we do not have any funds set aside to pay for this trip to Washington.

Please consider making a contribution today, so that I can begin making all the necessary travel preparations to go to Washington (booking a flight, lodging, etc.) as soon as possible.

Please don't wait for someone else to help us - we need you!

You can make a tax-deductible online contribution to help out with our efforts by clicking on:

http://www.thecalifornia....o.../contribute.php

Or by mailing your tax-deductible contribution to:

The California Center for Strategic Studies
4882 McGrath St., Suite 230
Ventura, CA 93003

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

"From the 'pain ray' to the 'death ray':
Have direct energy weapons already been deployed by U.S.
forces in Iraq?"

By Brett Wagner

Nothing in my training or experience as a national security specialist prepared me for what I witnessed last month when viewing a newly released documentary news video concerning an extremely controversial new generation of U.S. weaponry which may have already been secretly deployed in Iraq. This sort of thing is not for the faint of heart.

For the past few years the U.S. military has been developing new technology based on "directed energy" yielding two new types of weapons.

The first, "Active Denial System," has been nicknamed the "pain ray" --- and with good reason. It fires out millimeter waves --- a sort of cousin of microwaves, in the 95 GHz range. The invisible beams penetrate just 1/64th of an inch beneath the skin, directly affecting the nerve endings, and a 2-second burst can heat the skin to 130 degrees. Charles Heal, a widely recognized authority on nonlethal weapons who has dubbed the ray the "Holy Grail of crowd control," likened it to having a hot iron pressed against the skin.

Deploying the pain ray would be a clear violation of international law, which prohibits weapons whose primary intention is to inflict pain. Earlier this year, a U.S. military commander in Iraq requested that, despite the ban, the weapon be deployed immediately. But following the efforts of our organization and others opposing that request, Washington has indefinitely delayed any deployment pending further testing and analysis.

The second form of directed energy weaponry fires out microwaves, a form of energy well known for its use in modern kitchen appliances. I have nicknamed this weapon the "death ray" --- and with good reason. Exposing mammals to microwaves is known to make them explode.

The documentary news video in question, which was released online recently (16 May 2006) by a major Italian news service, examines evidence that the U.S. military has deployed - dating back to the 2003 battle for Baghdad Airport - a new generation of weaponry likely based on firing microwaves. Viewer discretion is advised: even as a former professor for the U.S. Naval War College, this goes way beyond my comfort zone

Judging from the reported effects of the weaponry, it likely includes "speed of light" technology defying the generic term "laser" and it is my professional opinion that it also likely includes the use of microwaves, judging from the descriptions of bodies that seem to have inexplicably exploded.

However, I cannot imagine the scientific explanation for the cadavers that reportedly shrunk to the size of approximately one-meter in length after being exposed to some sort of ray (the cause of death) and then inadvertently struck by bullets. Neither do I have an explanation for what one eyewitness describes as a bus transformed "like a cloth, like a wet cloth" and shrunk to the size of a Volkswagen. To me, it sounds like a very intense form of microwaves.

The statements by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers excerpted from a 2003 archived press conference are especially revealing:

JOURNALIST: Mr. Secretary, can I ask you a question about some of the technology that you're developing to fight the war on terrorists, specifically directed energy and high-powered microwave technology? When do you envision that you can weaponize that type of technology?

DONALD RUMSFELD (appearing noticeably uncomfortable with the question): In the normal order of things, when you invest in research and development and begin a developmental project, you don't have any intention or expectations that one would use it. On the other hand, the real world intervenes from time to time, and you reach in there and take something out that is still in a developmental stage, and you might use it.

JOURNALIST: But you sound like you're willing to experiment with it.

GENERAL MYERS: Yeah, I think that's the point. And I think we have from the beginning of this conflictŠ I think General Franks [commander of U.S. forces in Iraq] has been very open to looking at new things, if there are new things available, and has been willing to put them into the fight, even before they've been fully wrung outŠ And we will continue to do that.

Also noteworthy was the inclusion of footage, albeit very brief, near the end of the documentary of the "pain ray" being tested on a person identified as an American soldier. The person exposed to the ray obviously experienced excruciating pain before ducking quickly out of the line of fire.

The closing remarks in the documentary by highly-respected military analyst William Arkin echo my widely-publicized concerns regarding the implications of the pain ray for use in crowd control in the U.S. - and the potential threat to our basic civil liberties, such as our First Amendment rights of peaceable assembly and to petition the government for a redress of our grievances (not to mention undermining the norms expressed by Sixth Amendment prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment).

These types of weapons pose a dire threat to the world as we know it and their deployment must be prevented at all cost. At the very least, they could ignite a new global arms race, which in turn would lead to increasing global instability or worse.

We simply must not allow this "Brave New World" to enter our own.

_______________________________________

Brett Wagner is president of the California Center for Strategic Studies (www.TheCaliforniaCenter.org).

Additional research was provided by CCSS analysts Jacob Shepard and Clay Fordahl.

( The video cited can be viewed in English, Italian or Arabic by clicking on
http://www.rainews24.it/.../in...llari_iraq.asp )

So you're an American and want to get out of Beirut?
So fork it over baby!

Our Ass in Chief at it again!

ITMFA!!!!!!

On ABC news just now, I saw a report by ABC news from an Israeli military helicopter, and then this ABC reporter interviewed the Israeli general (in his office), who said that Hezbollah has taken an entire Israeli city hostage, and that is the essence of terrorism. I'm not kidding. I'm just calling for FAIR coverage, not slanted one way or the other, by the corporate MSM.

Lindy #136

I think the key is to always change out quotation marks and asterisks on stuff you paste into the comment box.

Charlene #138

So is Brad a jew? Am I a jew?

Or is a jew, now, someone who owns a media outlet?

What is the difference between a jew that owns a media outlet and a non-jew who owns a media outlet?

And how do blogs fit in ... ?

Don't kill the messenger ...

Sunshine Greenery #139

Your post is a pain ray.

One good thing about the Israeli invasion of Lebanon is that is shows how bad Iraq is.

The Israeli invasion has been going on for 7 or 8 days with perhaps 400 dead.

In a month at that rate it would be perhaps 1500 dead.

Iraq has had 3000 civilian deaths per month for the past two months (link here).

So the Iraq war is not all that bad says George The Liar, when an active and hostile war we are watching 34/7 on TV only results in half as many deaths.

Will the people buy this bu$hit? I think they will figure out that Baghdad has been burning with lies and with truth (link here).

Sunshine Greeny I feel your pain...

What does it feel like?

Just what we need: More propaganda outlets!

Frustrating

#144 Dredd

I don't know what you're talking about.
Do you?
If you do, spit it out.

Read this and weep, It looks like we do have world war III. Shit
http://news.yahoo.com/s/...ap_on_re_as/turkey_kurds

Dredd #144

So is Brad a jew? Am I a jew?

Or is a jew, now, someone who owns a media outlet?

What is the difference between a jew that owns a media outlet and a non-jew who owns a media outlet?

And how do blogs fit in ... ?

Don't kill the messenger ...

More confusion here. What should have been stated earlier is that the majority of US MSM (propoganda) outlets are under the control of Zionist extremists, be they Ashkenazim, or neocons, or AIPAC supporters - whatever!! I'd be extremely suprised to find an indigenous semite running a global news corporation - I may be wrong - please let me know!

So enough already with the "blame the jews' - defend the jews" mindset - this is a very powerful weapon of mass distraction! Judaism has nothing to do with it!
Again...Zionism is not Judaism!!!

Peacelover

I think you have misunderstood what Dredd was addressing with that post. It was directed to another poster, and he was questioning that.

I think we're all pretty much in agreement that Judaism is NOT the culprit, while Zionism almost certainly is.

#154 Agent 99

I looked up "Zionism" in the dictionary & it said, "A worldwide Jewish movement for the establishment & development of the state of Israel".

What is "Zionism" the culprit in exactly & what source/s have you used to arrive at that conclusion?

WinterPatriot says we don't just give opinions here--we back them up with sources.
If you don't erase my entry, can you tell us?

George Carlin:

"And people say, Oh, your conspiracy thing. Listen, don't be making fun of the word "conspiracy". It has meaning. Powerful people have convergent interests. They don't always need a meeting to decide on something. They inhabit the same clubs. They sit on the same boards. They have all this common ownership and they are very few in number. They control everything, and they do whatever they want. [Their] two-party system keeps the people at bay. They give them microwaves, fanny packs, sneakers with lights in the heels, dustbusters, to keep them distracted, keep them just calm enough that they're not going to try something...Scratch a cynic, you'll find a disappointed idealist. That really rang a bell with me. Within me there is this flame of wishing it were better, wishing people had better lives, that there was more of an authentic sharing and harmony with nature. So this thing that sometimes reads as anger to people is largely a discontent, a disappointment in what we have allowed to happen to us as a species and as a culture."

Hey Charlene: Agent 99 is sleeping but I can probably answer your question. It's a longish answer and it gets a bit twisty so I apologize for the length here and I ask you --- I ask everybody --- to pay close attention:

There are a many words in our language, words whose "dictionary definitions" differ from their "actual meanings". In some cases the differences are extreme.

For example: What does your dictionary say about "conservative"? ... you see what I mean? In the dictionary it appears to mean one thing, but in actual everyday use it often means something very different.

Often but not always, the reason why the dictionary definition and the actual meaning are very different is because some political group has deliberately decided to use the term to mean something other than what it appears to mean.

One can find many examples. For example: people who favor a woman's right to have an abortion call themselves "pro-choice". but people who oppose that right call themselves "pro-life". Are they really pro-life? Or do they just say so, because they don't want to call themselves "anti-choice"?

How about "family values"? What does that mean to you? To me it means making sure there is peace and harmony in the home, that the kids are fed and washed and loved, that the grandparents are respected and cared for, stuff like that. To some people in this country it means paying attention to what goes on in the neighbors' houses when the lights are off and the doors are closed. Huh?

I'll give you more more example: Look up "collateral" in the dictionary. Now look up "damage". Do you see anything in either of the definitions to suggest innocent civilians being burned or crushed to death?

I'm laboring my point a bit here for a reason. It's very important to understand that in politics words don't always mean what they appear to mean. That's part of the mystery of modern politics. It's conducted in a constantly-evolving semi-secret code. But I digress.

Let's talk about Zionism.

First let it be said that I am talking about Zionism as opposed to Judaism. This is not about race or religion or culture. It's about politics. It's about real estate and the acquisition thereof. There are Zionists of all stripes. Some are Jewish and others are not. Yes? Good. Onward.

Your dictionary tells you what "Zionist" means in the formal, or abstract, or technical sense. What it does not tell you is that there are people who don't fit that definition very well at all but who still call themselves "Zionists".

So it's a lot more complicated than it appears. Many "dictionary" Zionists are horrified to see what is being done in the name of Zionism, just as many "dictionary" conservatives are horrified to see what is being done in the name of Conservatism. And in both cases of course there are others who are so attached to their "ism" that they cannot see what is being done in its name for what it is.

In a nutshell, Zionism is no longer just one thing. There are all sorts of practitioners of all sorts of "Zionism".

Your dictionary won't help you here but you can read more about it in all kinds of places. I don't know of any source that I would trust completely, and absolutely. You have to read and think and make up your own mind.

Having said all that, if you want a good look at radical Zionism, the following link is a good place to start reading, IMVHO.

The author fails to mention the existence of traditional Zionists and speaks as though radical Zionism is all there is these days. From my limited and admittedly anecdotal knowledge, I would disagree with him on that point.

But his "take" on modern radical Zionism is ... well ... it's here:

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm

Maybe by mentioning this, it will prevent it. But, watch out for psyops sinking an American evacuation tourist ship, for a "mini" PNAC Pearl Harbor, to rally the idiots.

more good articles

http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=9323

BIG DAN something like this guy is talking about ?
Pentagon Papers Author Daniel Ellsberg Says Government May Have Carried Out 9/11
Predicts Bush Regime Will Stage Terrorist Attack to Provide Pretext for Iran, Syria Invasion, And Justify Internment Camps for American People.

http://www.infowars.com/...or_gov_maybe_did_911.htm

#153 Peacelover
This subject is not " a very powerful weapon of mass distraction".
Without any doubt, it's a major issue on this blog & in our country today.
We're all trying to find out why the US supports Israel so hugely & why Israel has escalated the violence recently against the Palestinians more than they ever have in 24 years--Why isn't there peace? What is the problem?
All these questions are central to understanding this issue before WWIII breaks out.
There is nothing wrong with Jewish people & nothing wrong with discussing this subject.
You don't have to worry. It's ok.
It's not right to try to twist it so it sounds like something bad is going on.
YOU & others try to turn an honest search for the truth into a guilt trip.
Why do you frame questions that don't exist?
"Enough already with the Blame the Jews--Defend the Jews mindset--this is a powerful weapon of mass distraction!"
OR
you said, "Again, Zionism is not Judaism!!!"
(Nobody said it was.)

In reality, no one mentioned the religion of Judaism at all until YOU did & nobody is using this subject as a weapon!
There is nothing to be afraid of or ashamed of, any more than WE should be afraid of or ashamed to find out the truth about why we invaded Iraq, for instance.
It's our right.
This IS America.
Were we bashing Americans while we found out?
Well, some of them, yes.
Should we be ashamed of ourselves for it?
NO.
It's no secret that not all Americans are admirable.
Some are--some aren't.

Same as people anywhere.
Chill out.

Ironically, the more you try to stop open & honest discussion of this subject, the more you appear to be a Zionist yourself--if you see what I mean.

160: Yes, exactly. I like to try to think of things ahead of time, like sinking an American cruise liner to inflame the idiots against Iran. And I really believe, mentioning it ahead of time, may actually stop it. I think it may be the only way to stop it, and maybe it HAS stopped something, and we'll never know it. Weren't they predicting something a while back, and Alex Jones et all warned everyone that psyops or FEMA was congregating somewhere, and then nothing happened? That was a few months ago. We may never know it, but that may have prevented it...spreading the word that it may happen. It's well worth being called a "conspiracy theorist", if you saved some lives. Go ahead, and call me one...

Banned Fox News report - Israel spying on U.S. [Flash video]

A report of massive importance to U.S. citizens, yet this was banned before it got aired - Do you have to ask why?

Get it before it disappears.

#157 Winter Patriot

I noticed Agent99 blogged with others for at least an hour & 45 minutes after I asked my question, but chose not to answer me.

But I can understand that, it's ok.

You never did answer the question I had re Agent99's statement about what, exactly, Zionism is the culprit IN, but, boy oh boy, did I find out--just from reading your link!

There's all kinds of proof in the link you gave, that Zionism has taken over American Jewry & is at the heart of the problem with the Middle East.
I never dreamed it was that extensive!

Here's the newest entry from 7-19-06, in which 2 leading American academics claim US-Middle East policy has become unbalanced because of the activities of a right-wing pro Israeli lobby (AIPAC, American Israeli Public Affairs Committee),which tries to shut down critics by labelling them anti-Semitic.
One's name is John Mearsheimer, a WestPoint grad & senior Professor of Politics at the University of Chicago. The other is Professor Stephan Walt, academic dean of the Kennedy School of Politics at Harvard.
They tried to publish a critique of the Israel lobby in the US but had to go to England (like Greg Palast had to do I guess) instead.
The article is called "The Israel Lobby" & came out in March 2006 in the London Review of Books.
Alan Dershowitz immediately began attacking them in the press as " anti-Semitic."
In the article they imply there is a Jewish conspiracy to subvert American Foreign Policy.
Martin Indyk, former US Ambassador to Israel is part OF the lobby & he still acknowledges the power of the lobby in Congress.
Senate minority leader Harry Reid (D-Nev) stridently defended Israel too.

76% of American Jewry is concentrated in 6 cities of 6 states--Calif., Nev.,Penn.,Illinois, Ohio & Florida, with 181 electoral votes. It only takes 270 to elect the next President! That's 89 votes left to get!
It's about 80% of Congress (both Republicans AND Democrats)
This makes it virtually impossible to formulate foreign policy in the American national interest.
A man running for President will not dare offend their potent lobby.
Legislators in both branches bow to this pressure group.

In the 1973 war, a 36 hour phone blitz by I. L. Kenen, head of AIPAC, resulted in the immediate introduction of legislation to transfer 2.2 billion dollars of "Phantom jets" & other equipment in the quantities needed. An attempt to strip $500 million from the legislation was defeated when Kenen fired off 95 telegrams to House Appropriations & Foreign Affairs committee members.
Any decrease in $ was blocked in a similar fashion.
They were also blocked in Hawk sales to Jordan. And there were others examples.
I can't type all the names in our government--it's too long.
They say lawmakers resent it but have to live with it.
Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman J. William Fulbright incurred Zionist wrath in 1973 when he told "Face The Nation", "The Israelis control the policy of the Congress & the Senate. Somewhere around 80% of the Senate is in complete agreement with anything it wants."

The abnormal, unique relationship between Jews, the US & Israel has forged an "Israel-First Policy" which is an underlying factor in the continuing tensions besetting the Middle East & the Islamic world. (I told ya)
US security interests have become endangered & an emerging crisis has been thrust on everyone at home.

The enmity towards US, incurred in the Arab Muslim world, has eroded the measureless resevoir of goodwill stemming from the many educatiional & eleemosynary ( means supported by charity)institutions founded by America.

There was a lot more stuff, but I'm too tired to list it all right now.
This must mean that most of our problems stem from these Zionists because they control our government pretty much.
It also said MOST Jews are Democrats.
It explains why Dems don't "oppose" anything much.
And it explains why nothing will change if Dems get majority.

That also means ANY reform must get past these Zionists.

That won't happen.

It turns out to be like I thought--the system needs to be fixed by the People.
Nothing will ever change much--or for very long--legislators may throw us a bone now & then to keep us interested---but no real change will ever come from them.
They control media & government.
It must come from us.
We need to get everyone talking about this--so it's out in the open.
No more fears of being labeled anti-Semitic!!
NO.
We're all Americans.

Wow!

National Initiative for Democracy.

www.ni4d.us

Big Dan #162:

In all likelihood, yes. I'm sure you remember the vague yet disturbing incident revolving around a staged nuke-terror drill in S.Carolina (if I recall correctly) that had the web buzzing with ugly rumors, made all the more plausible sounding by the invovlement of a lifer, four-star general who had been suddenly, mysteriously "fired" due to a supposed extramarital affair - which occurred after his divorce, it was later revealed - and the 'word' was that he led a coup against forces within the govt/military that were set to have the nuke-terror drill "go live."

I still remember that morning, and the first phone in on C-SPAN's WJ was a frantic woman, way off topic of course, warning everyone that it was planned for that day....freaky. So yeah, the more people that can at least attempt to be wary of grim possibilities could translate into lives saved. Who knows...?

sunshine: There was PLENTY of forewarning about 9/11, and no one publicized any of it. That was when we learned our lesson. It's going to be very hard for them to do something like that again, now that we are all "on to them"...

My friend who is very skeptical of 9/11 being an inside job, just said, "but what makes me think it WAS an inside job, is the fact that it hasn't happened since. How could there not be not even ONE terrorist event in the U.S. since 9/11, with thousands and thousands of terrorists and open borders???" Now, THAT is from the #1 skeptic I know...I never even thought of that myself...

You know what would be a good idea, but hard to do? Ram a jet you can afford to lose, into a skyscraper you can afford to lose...and see if it falls down "free fall" speed like in a vacuum, in it's own footprint, in less than an hour.

...THEN...see if an adjacent skyscraper next to it, falls down for no reason at all!!!!!!!!

Yeah, no need to work at convincing me of 9/11 man, you're preaching to the choir on that one. That it was an inside job is painfully, embarrassingly obvious. Most people I've spoken with over the yrs, family, friends, average folks, really don't have too much difficulty understanding that it was carried out as a needed pretext for all of our govt's Big Plans that were all set to go beforehand but required sufficient "justification."

For me, that alone was the major tipping point right there: there would be no way our govt would have had all those major plans drawn up for no reason at all, unless the "green-lighting" measures had been secured accordingly. Do you make extensive vacationing plans with no intention of going on the vacation? ... that's why everyone worked so diligently to ensure that the "right" admin was placed into power in 2000, and retained that position up to present. They're all in on it. Evil fuckers.

Sunshine Greeny

From Alternet.org
In his Farewll Adress, George Washington expressed the view that the greatest danger to American foreign relations would be the "passionate attachment" of influential Americans to a foreign power, which would orient US foreign policy for the benefit of that power to the detriment of the US.
This is just such a situation that currently exists.

Initiation of a MiddleEast war to solve Israeli security problems has been a long standing idea among Israeli rightest Likudniks (that's a political party in Israel).
At it's heart, the Likudnik oriented neocons argued for American involvement in such a war prior to the atrocities of 9/11/01. (We know about Wolfowitz & the rest wanting "a new Pearl Harbor" etc.)
Since 9/11, neocons have taken the lead in advocating such a war & they hold influential foreign policy & nat'l security positions in the Bush Adm.
If Israel & Jews were not involved there would be nothing extraordinary about this situation.

But that is not the case.

Noam Chomsky on DemocracyNow.org states, "Since 1982 & beyond the US regards Israel as virtally a militarized offshoot & protects it from criticm of it's actions & supports them, in fact, overtly supports expansion."
"The US has virtually alone been blocking the possiblility of diplomatic settlement, censure of Israeli crimes & atrocities."
The US just vetoed a UN Security Council resolution demanding Israel end it's military offensive in the Gaza strip.
8 of the last 9 vetoes have been cast by the US--7 of those were to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

From Chris Hedges who has been on Democracy Now from 7-19-06 an article called, "Mutually Assured Destruction in the Middle East"
The Middle East "will slip into a death spiral....unless those feuling the conflicts learn to speak another language.. other than violence".
"Palestinians have been reduced by Israel to a subsistence existence matched only by Africans'.
And the tools of repressoin against Palestinians now match those once imposed on South African blacks by the apartheid regime, with the exception that the South Africans never sent warplanes to bomb the townships."
"The escalating repression in Israel, like the escalating by the American occupiers in Iraq, has become the most potent recruiting tool for Islamic extremists."
"We cannot ascribe moral blame to all sides. Israel is the oppressor in Gaza, the West Bank & now Lebanon. America in Iraq."

"It was the decades long occupation & humiliatiion of Palestinians in Gaza & the West Bank by Israel that spawned & empowered Hamas & the brutal American occupation that has bred the legions of extremists in Iraq."

"When Hezbollah leader Nasrallah promises "open war" against Israel & Israeli leader Olmert says he won't cease his attack til 'Israel is secure', it's time to run because our best hope for peace is George Bush."

Yet, despite everything--the possible beginning of WWIII for god's sake--"thousands of 'American Jews' clogged New York streets leading to the UN in a massive show of support for Israel this past Monday morning!
The report says, "Senator Lautenburg & Senator Clinton, nobel laureate Elie Wiesel & numerous Jewish community leaders addressed the crowd:

Israeli Ambassador to the UN Dan Gillerman spoke first & said, "From this stage, I would like to send out a clear message to the UN & to those countries who claim 'we' (?) are using disproportionate force, I have only this to say--You're damn right we are!"

His comments drew wild applause from the thousands that came out, even in the sweltering heat, to lend support.
The overwhelming imporession was of a surge of support for Israel from different sectors of New York's Jews."
(Then they interview some stockbroker who agrees etc)

Needless to say, we need to speak out against this sick & misguided Zionist push for war & the Zionist takeover of the Jewish community lock stock & barrel!

You can tell your Representatives to sign the resolution introduced by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) called H-Con.Res 450.
It demands Bush call for cease fire & commit to multi-party negotiations. (Read it at truthdig.com)

This issue is not anti-Semitic.

This issue is THE biggest story of our day & needs to be out in the open if we are to prevent WWIII.

I like Jewish people just fine & don't want to make them uncomfortable any more than I would want to single out ANY group in America just to make them uncomfortable.
But damn people, there's a reason why we need to speak of this bad situation re AIPAC being allowed to pressure our govt into igniting WWIII.
This is way more important than ruffled feathers are!
Let em get over their sensitivity because I'm not going to ignore the Zionist takeover of American Jewry & also our government---hello?----our government---just so I don't rock the boat.
No one in America should feel intimidated from honestly seeking the truth & especially not when it involves preventing WWIII!
The Jewish people have nothing to feel ashamed about--any more than we need to feel ashamed of misguided or sick criminals from our own nationality.
Everybody's got em.
THE JEWS ARE NOT SPECIAL compared to any other nationality & there's no reason to treat them as such, walking on egg shells around them, ignoring the 'elephant in the living room' etc.
And especially not when its costing us dead sons & husbands with Armageddon looming around the corner.

Get a grip, people.

MSM won't address it--so we NEED to--it's our duty as citizens.

Hey Charlene,
Yes, well aware of the PNAC and their want of a "new Pearl Harbor," - and now perhaps yet another bigger justification still - and likewise aware of the subversion of Zionism, and am a long time reader of Chomsky and his astute, scientific approach to institutional analysis [conspiracy theory] haha

His breakdown of the media propaganda model should be taught in elementary classrooms. Speaking of which.....

CNN's up to its usual shenanigans and is fulfilling its Govt P.R. role by playing off the ignorance and indifference of the public:

Awhile ago they were pushing some "new poll numbers" [see: Power of Suggestion] claiming that the majority of Americans are supporting Israel's wholesale slaughter of Lebanese civilians i.e. doesn't think Israel's "retaliatory" response is disproportionate.

OBEY ... OBEY ... OBEY ... OBEY

http:// www.theofficialjohncarpen...tlstills03.html

Sunshine Greeny
(I like your name--it's fun)

Yea, Fox gives "poll numbers" a bad name.

More info about what Bush said at the G-8 on the open mike.
It's funny but sad too:

From the Nation 7-19-06 by Robert Scheer
"Open Mike, Closed Mind"
Bombs were exploding & innocents dying, from Beirut to Haifa to Baghdad & yet George Bush managed to pose smiling with thumbs up at the close of the G-8 summit.

Thanks to an unsuspected open mike, however, we could also glimpse the mindset of a leader unaccountably pleased with his ignorance of the world.

What seemed to interest him (besides the cheese & crackers)at that farewell get together of leaders bitterly divided over a disintegrating Mideast was not some last minute proposal for peace but rather the fact that it would take China Pres Ho Jintao 8 hours to fly home from St. Petersburg to Beijing.

Bush had started the exchange by noting, absurdly, that, "This is your neighborhood, doesn't take you long to get here."
Uh, yeah, incurious George, sure thing.

Never mind that St. Petersburg is in Europe on Russia's northwestern corner, due north of Turkey, & Beijing is on the eastern edge of mainland Asia.
"You, eight hours? Me too. Russia's a big country & you're a big country," he said.
When corrected, sounding for all the world like an earnest kindergartner processing new information, he said, "Russia's big & so is China."

His later remarks also showed his cluelessness about Israel's bloody assault on Lebanon, it's causes & possible solutions.
It was overheard, "See the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit & its over," refering to guerilla forces firing rockets into Israel.
"I felt like telling Kofi (UN leader)to get on the phone with (Syrian leader Bashir) Assad & make something happen."

Besides noting our President uses language the FCC would fine Howard Stern for when he represents us at big internat'l meetings--his profound ignorance is appalling.
Israel, Hamas, & Hezbollah all have their own hardcore agendas--Syria is just one player in the tortured region.
Furthermore, Bush's complete disinterest in the Mideast peace process--esp. as an "honest broker" between Israel & Palestinians--since the Supreme Court handed him the job in 2000, has paved the way for this moment.
But what is truly "ironic" is that the Bush Adm., having overstretched our military & generated no foreign policy ideas, has become a helpless bystander as the entire region threatens to burn.

He's a pip, isn't he?

They need to send someone that knows something along with him wherever he goes.

BVAC

1) You told someone above on this thread that AIPAC doesn't control our elections. But...

It's reported AIPAC does control 181 electoral votes out of the 270 needed to elect a president because 76% of American Jewry is concentrated in 6 cities; Calif, NewYork, Penn, Illinois, Ohio, & Florida.
80% of Congress, both Rep & Dem, are beholdin to them.
This makes it virtually impossible to formulate foreign policy in the American national interest.
And a man running for President would not dare offend their potent lobby, nor legislators in either branch.

2) You continue to try to belittle my cool suggestion to have everyone fly their flags upside-down to show our distress with the govt. by making snarky remarks like:

#69 "I think flying our flags upside down will end all terrorism."

I told you once already I heard other blogs mention doing it too since I did.

Here's a summary of an article in The Progressive from 7-18-06 by Matthew Rothschild called, "Mother of Suicide Vet Flies Old Glory Upside Down"

4 months after returning home from Iraq Army reservist Jason Cooper hanged himself, & not even "patriotic" entreaties nor vandalism will stop his mother from flying the flag upside down.
His mother said, "We had a flag out the whole time Jason was in Iraq. Once he died, my boyfriend turned it upside down to protest everything that's happening with our govt."
Evidently, Jason had mental problems resulting from what he did/saw over there & went to get help at the VA but was turned away.

Just imagine BVAC--pretty soon all of America will be flying their flags upside down in solidarity to protest the war & our government!

Charlene, Another article on the upside down flag: link.

http://www.whatreallyhap...motherofallscandals.html

More evil shit from our govt:

http://www.firstamendmen...r.org/news.aspx?id=17178

FEMA muzzling La. trailer-park residents

By The Associated Press
07.20.06

MORGAN CITY, La. - Residents of trailer parks set up by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house hurricane victims in Louisiana aren't allowed to talk to the press without an official escort, The (Baton Rouge) Advocate reported.

In one instance, a security guard ordered an Advocate reporter out of a trailer during an interview in Morgan City. Similar FEMA rules were enforced in Davant, in Plaquemines Parish.

FEMA spokeswoman Rachel Rodi wouldn't say whether the security guards' actions complied with FEMA policy, saying the matter was being reviewed. But she confirmed that FEMA does not allow the news media to speak alone to residents in their trailers.

"If a resident invites the media to the trailer, they have to be escorted by a FEMA representative who sits in on the interview," Rodi told the newspaper for its July 15 report. "That's just a policy."

Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said FEMA's refusal to allow trailer-park residents to invite news media into their homes unescorted was unconstitutional.

Morgan City Mayor Timothy Matte told The Advocate that he was surprised residents were being barred from talking to reporters.

"I would think anyone who lives there would be allowed to have any visitor they wanted," he said.

FEMA leases the land for the trailer park from the city, Matte said. "It's public property. There's no question about that. You would think the people would have the same freedom there as everyone else has," he told the newspaper.

Hundreds of trailers at FEMA parks sit empty and unused in Louisiana, according to The Advocate.

Officials in Morgan City estimate that FEMA has spent about $7.5 million to build the trailer park but that only about 15 of the 198 trailers are being used.

"We all wonder why no one lives there," Matte said.

FEMA officials refuse to say how much was spent to build the park or why 183 of the trailers are vacant.

"We're not going to talk about cost," Rodi told the newspaper.

As in Morgan City, the 334-trailer FEMA park in Davant in Plaquemines Parish is greatly underused.

The north side of the park is empty, and 92 families live in the south side, Rodi said, adding that the empty trailers would be removed.

"We put them there at the parish's request," she said. "Now we've found that the need is not as great there or that people don't want to live there."

The trailers are going to be put on private property or in private parks in the parish as needed, Rodi said. She refused to disclose how much the park cost to build.

Meanwhile, Plaquemines Parish President Benny Rousselle blamed FEMA, in part, for the slow return of residents to the parish.

Rousselle said FEMA knows where many evacuees relocated after the storm but won't give that information to parish officials.

"FEMA told us because of privacy issues, they can't give us the addresses of our residents who are spread out in all 50 states. And no one but FEMA has that information," Rousselle said. "If we could contact them, I think a lot of them would come back if they knew we had places for them to live."

"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the (U.S.) media. The rascal multitude are the proper targets of the mass media and a public education system geared to obedience and training in needed skills, including the skill of repeating patriotic slogans on timely occasions.

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate...As long as people are marginalized and distracted [they] have no way to organize or articulate their sentiments, or even know that others have these sentiments. People assume that they are the only people with a crazy idea in their heads. They never hear it from anywhere else. Nobody's supposed to think that. ... Since there's no way to get together with other people who share or reinforce that view and help you articulate it, you feel like an oddity, an oddball. So you just stay on the side and you don't pay any attention to what's going on. You look at something else, like the Superbowl." ~ Noam Chomsky

Manufacturing Consent:
http:// www.thirdworldtraveler.co...ng_Consent.html

Propaganda and the public mind:
http:// www.thirdworldtraveler.co...PublicMind.html
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"So what's the real story? The fact is that conservatives have powerful friends in the media: the corporations that own them, and the corporations that pay for their advertising. These giant firms have been increasingly successful in bending the media's message to suit their self-interests, which include a conservative and pro-corporate agenda. Studies show that the media are eerily silent on the issues most important to workers, consumers and other citizens adversely affected by corporate behavior. Conservatives respond to these charges with (old) polls showing that most journalists are personally liberal, but these polls are outdated. New polls show the majority of journalists are centrists. And of those who are not centrists, there are more conservatives than liberals on economic issues. We'll explore more of this question below..."

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L- ...iberalmedia.htm
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"In a careful 1999 study published in the academic journal Communications Research, four scholars examined the use of the "liberal media" argument and discovered a fourfold increase in the number of Americans telling pollsters that they discerned a liberal bias in their news. But a review of the media's actual ideological content, collected and coded over a twelve-year period, offered no corroboration whatever for this view. The obvious conclusion: News consumers were responding to "increasing news coverage of liberal bias media claims, which have been increasingly emanating from Republican Party candidates and officials."

The right is working the refs. And it's working. Much of the public believes a useful but unsupportable myth about the so-called liberal media, and the media themselves have been cowed by conservatives into repeating their nonsensical nostrums virtually nonstop..."

http:// www.makethemaccountable.c...iberalMedia.htm
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...30224/ alterman2
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A MUST!: http://www.projectcensored.org/

Orwell Rolls In His Grave DVD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp...;&v=glance&n=130

Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media/DVD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp...;&v=glance&n=130

Start blogging on the new open thread.

hamas or hezbollah = cancer

#175 Laura

Thanks for the link.
It seems the idea of every American flying their flag upside-down in solidarity to protest the war & our near-fascist corrupt govt., is such a good idea, that there is now the beginnings of organized, undercover prevention techniques going on.

Wow.
It IS a great idea!

EVERYONE can show their disgust with George&Co. easily. You don't even have to make a phone call or write a letter or demonstrate, or send money.
Just go outside & flip it.

What a potent, undeniable, & profound statement we Americans could make against what George has done in our name.

Actions speak louder than words.

Power to the People!

MMIIXX #176

Thanks, again, for your links.

I'd heard about Israeli spies & our govt letting them off before--but I never knew it was this extensive.

I read in the May issue of The Nation an article by Eric Alterman called "AIPAC's Complaint".
It said AIPAC & big oil form our foreign policy, period.
....with AIPAC winning if it came to a duel.

I've begun writing to any Jewish organizations I find & also news media, to beg them to please help us stop WWIII by having the courage to speak out against this extreme Zionist takeover & what it's costing our nation.
Which is America, not Israel, I remind them.
I tell them I totally understand protecting Israel--which is their homeland. I want to protect my homeland too. But that this aggression/war against the oppressed Palestinians & Lebanon is wrong--it's gone too far--putting our entire world in danger. That's not right.
I tell them that maybe the leftover psychological effects of the Holocaust makes them overly vigilant & overly determined that they'll never be dumped on again. On the order of Scarlett O'Hara in Gone with the Wind when she thrust her fist up in the air & vowed, "I'll never be hungry again!" I understand that too.
However, I say, flirting with Armageddon & killing people in war is way too much--I'm revoking the pass they've been enjoying by playing their Holocaust card.
The Holocaust WAS horrible & I feel terrible for them that it happened---however, so is what THEY'RE doing now--to another group of people.
That's irony.

It really needs to come from the Jews first--otherwise the news media will holler anti-Semite to whatever we say.
Why don't they speak up?
This is way more important than being afraid to ruffle feathers

U.S. Arming of Israel: How U.S. Weapons Manufacturers Profit From Middle East Conflict

http://www.democracynow.....pl?sid=06/07/21/1432202

Israeli Peace Movement: Never reported on in the MSM...

http://www.democracynow.....pl?sid=06/07/21/1432212

Ralph Nader: U.S. Carries "Inescapable Responsibility" for "Israeli Government's Escalating War Crimes"

http://www.democracynow.....pl?sid=06/07/20/1434256

I can't recall seeing more bunk about why the MSM is the way it is than attributing it to ownership by Jews.

What a classical false frame!

John Doe owns an MSM outlet.

John Doe committed a crime.

Therefore MSM outlet owners are criminals.

This is the gutter of "logic", and in fact is nothin more than the spewing of fallacy.

For those who care to be free of fallacy, here are some discussions of the types of fallacies (link here, or here).

#184 Dredd

Why didn't you ever answer me re the seemingly existential question you put to me about Who is a Jew? Am I? Are you? etc.
If you feel so strongly, why didn't you answer?

You're beatin a dead horse.
There's way too many facts--if you've been reading it-- to back up what's been going on & NO NEED to go all extreme on me.

You falsely framed the question, my man.
It's not a crime to slant the news to favor a subject you care about if you are in a position to do so.

It's only unethical & morally wrong.
Journalists & news station owners know this, as do we---and you know it too.
Isn't that what we've been talking about for ages here?

Whoever fixed my link at #175, Thank You!

I can't believe how clueless some folks are . . . . . The Heebs must clean house in lebanon. . .

Some won't support their opinions---instead they choose to just disrespect you & run.

I guess we just have to wait for them to grow up one day & have the courage to explain themselves.

Charlene do you think for a minute the laundry heads would hesitate to nuke Israel ? ? ?

I have maybe ONE small reservation in that the timing my be to the advantage of the gop.

"Laundry heads" is demeaning to a people.

If what you say is true--it's even more reason for Israel to ceasefire, sit down & negotiate this once & for all.
More violence will NOT settle anything--not for long. Even if one side "wins" for now.

The only way to get Peace

Is to work for Justice. Period.

Charlene

"The only way to get Peace is to work for Justice"

Sorry, but justice doesn't exist - and Western justice is little more than a contrived value system perpetually abused by the wealthy to keep the uneducated serfs from rising up against them. The word Privilege literally means private law. So, one rule for the rich...etc.

IMHO, the only way to get peace is to be peaceful. Maybe a few organised "do nothing" days could get the ball rolling. No taxes = no revenue for illegal wars. And speaking of taxes - check out Aaron Russo talking about his latest film America: From Freedom to Fascism. A must see!!

Other than that, I very much agree with your posts.

Peace

Charlene isn't "Heebs" "demeaning to a people" also or are U a Hypocrite. . .

Fallacy:

The race of the owner of an MSM outlet determines the news it exudes

Hakiim, owner of an MSM outlet is not a caucasian

Therefore Hakiim will not exude caucasian news

There is no such thing as caucasian "news" ... because the difference between "news" and "propaganda" is bias.

One should clearly delineate between news and propaganda when speaking of the MSM.

My observation of the MSM is that they differ in political characteristics, not racial characteristics, as a factor that skews news into propaganda in varying degrees.

I do not go to a black owned MSM outlet to find black news, nor to a christian owned MSM outlet to find christian news (Christian Science Monitor does not do christian only news), etc. etc.

I posted some time back a revelation about the Iraqi government and that Iran had been instrumental in forming it while the US focused on Iraqi oil:

It was around 9 pm on the 11th of April when we finally saw the footage of Saddam’s statue being pulled down by American troops- the American flag plastered on his face. We watched, stunned, as Baghdad was looted and burned by hordes of men, being watched and saluted by American soldiers in tanks. Looking back at it now, it is properly ironic that our first glimpses of the ‘fall of Baghdad’ and the occupation of Iraq came to us via Iran- through that Iranian channel.

We immediately began hearing about the Iranian revolutionary guard, and how they had formed a militia of Iraqis who had defected to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. We heard how they were already inside of the country and were helping to loot and burn everything from governmental facilities to museums. The Hakims and Badr made their debut, followed by several other clerics with their personal guard and militias, all seeping in from Iran.

Today they rule the country.

(Baghdad Burning Article, bold added). Our CIA (citizens intelligence agency) lady in Baghdad was correct:

According to a report in today's Washington Times, a squadron is being formed among Iraqi Shi'ite militia members to go to Lebanon. The forces plan to support the Hezbollah insurgents in their ongoing incursions with Israel. As many as 1,500 are expected to join the squadron.

(link here, bold added). Politics and war make strange bedfellows ...

Peacelover

Work for Justice to me means sitting down to negotiate what is as fair as is possible to all concerned. Everyone has a right to exist--not just some.
Nobody is ever going to make up for all the death & suffering, God help us.
But to me, until ALL realize that violence will not ever solve problems long term--we're all in for a hellish time.

#192
Ok J of J, if you insist.
You get TWO thrashings with a wet noodle.
One for "laundry heads" & another for "Heebs".

No wait--you can have THREE thrashings--another for calling me "clueless", especially when your insult has no information to back it up.

Are you happy now?

#193 Dredd

No not "race".
It's more accurate to say the owners of most outlets have a shared, personal interest in the same subject--be it Israel, Bush, or corporate goals. Those personal interests that they protect are not in the best interests of the country. Their job as journalists is to tell us the truth, the facts, the big picture. (It IS difficult not to show bias in some stories. That's why they go to journalism school--to learn the difference.)It's our job to decide what's in our best interests--not them.

"Hakiim" is going to "exude", as you say, news that makes him & his interests look good, if he is in a position to do so & no one MAKES him tell ALL the news--or tell all the facts.

The government got rid of the Fairness Doctrine & the laws limiting media ownership just so no one can MAKE "Hakiim" tell it like it is ever again.

It used to be you could complain to the FCC when some story or station slanted the news/left stuff out etc. And the FCC would fine that station--because they had laws. You have to present the news fairly--as much as possible. Now, your complaint goes straight to file 13 at the FCC--the trashcan. They have no power to make anyone be fair at all.

That was the point in changing the laws--they knew what would happen, because that's why they put those laws in place to begin with years ago--to prevent "Hakiim" from slanting/editing/twisting/omitting whatever he wanted to in order to form public opinion the way "Hakiim" wants it, or to hide what "Hakiim" wants hidden.
Which, of course, is in what "Hakiim" decides are his own best interests.

Honestly Dredd, I don't understand why you're arguing this point because it's so obvious.

#194

Yes, I've read where even the Shi-ites & the Sunnis in Iraq (who don't like each other at all) are banding together against Israel's aggression--because they said "We're all Muslims"--& because Israel & the US work together as one & the same in their eyes--well, in deed they really do.

Charlene "sit down & negotiate" you say, as long as I can remember atleast 30 yrs I have yet to see the muslums make any concesion or even honor an agreement with Isreal. . . . . seems to me you can't negotiate wit muslums.

JOJ: I have also been paying attention to this situation for decades and it seems to me that the only thing both sides agree on is:

It's all their fault. We have never done anything wrong. They keep attacking us and we are only trying to defend ourselves. Every time we try to make peace they attack again. They are no better than dogs.

How can anyone negotiate anything in such an atmosphere?

Fallacy:

Democrats do not speak at the Republican National Convention for Republicans, who are the opponents of Democrats

Zell Miller is a Democrat

Therefore Zell Miller will never speak at the Republican National Convention for Republicans against Democrats

In symbolic and similar logic if the premise is flawed any deductive reasoning will likewise be flawed.

Charlene #197

You said:

It's more accurate to say the owners of most outlets have a shared, personal interest in the same subject–be it Israel, Bush, or corporate goals.

(post 197, bold added).

This is a classic fallacy:

The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that most people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice.

(Appeal To Common Belief Fallacy, bold added).

Your argument from the beginning, as I have said from the beginning, has no nexus. This means it also has the characteristics of the Confusing Cause and Effect fallacy.

When I say fallacy, I do not mean lie. I simply mean that the premise and deductions from it are flawed and have no basis in logic.

You do not have to be a follower of logic, and I am not demanding that you be one. I think it is like what Jackson, president of the Southern States (Rebels) said, when someone told him he had mispelled a word. He said:

It is a damn poor mind that can figure but one way to spell a word.

Each to his or her own can only go so far ... before one runs into the other.

Seems to me somebody was wanting some support for sweeping statements about Zionism... hmmmm... not that we needed any, really....

Creating Israel to begin with, recognizing Israel to begin with, supplying them with military aid to begin with, will ever make this kind of strategizing seem, or be, depending on one's point of view, warranted.

What's wrong with us that we don't see the merits? Are we crazy? Or have we never looked deeply enough into this issue of our own creation? The neo-cons didn't start this, but they sure do have some monstrous ways in mind to end this.

#202 Dredd

WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

If you have one--please, say it in one sentence.
This round about, logic, existential thing is all to make the point that WHAT?

If you can't say it in one sentence--you don't know what you're trying to say.

I can't figure it out.

The only reason I said MOST outlets & not ALL outlets--is because I believe one mega corporation was left out of the ones I listed the owners/producers/editors of. Maybe I listed all of them, I can't remember it was a while ago. That's it.

#203 Agent99

When I asked what you meant by "Zionism" being "the culprit in " something ( the same way you & WinterPatriot asked ME to defend my opinion )--you refused to explain by blogging for an hour and 45 minutes with others after I asked you, but ignoring your duties as temporary editor & as any other blogger should, to answer.
You thereby ducked your responsibility to explain yourself & to be fair---especially since you & WinterPatriot, working as a team, had just recently asked me to explain my opinion.
It appears you enjoy the 'slashing comments' part of temporary editorship way more than you enjoy the 'splainin' yourself part.

Then WinterPatriot put up a link to Zionism in your name because he said there was no place that explains it well--but he didn't explain it either, and you both avoided the point--which was to explain the statement you made that I asked about:
Exactly what is "Zionism the culprit in", Agent99?

It's not right that temporary editors demand certain bloggers meet a higher standard than they intend to meet themselves.

Re your entry---I wonder what you're talking about
with your mysterious "somebody".. "wanted support",.."hmmmm".., "creating Israel..recognizing Israel....supplying Israel...will ever make this strategizing seem...warranted."
Who is somebody? What strategizing?

"Are we crazy" for not "seeing the merits"..."into this issue"..."of our own creation"
What issue? What merits?
"..the neocons didn't start this"
Who did?

Why are you & Dredd suddenly all mealy-mouthed?
You never had problems being clear before.

We're trying not to offend you, Charlene. You go postal when you don't understand, and think it's our fault. Everytime you don't understand, you get angry and rude. I ignored you so as not to be angry and rude back. Dredd has been perfectly clear, and I really don't think my statements about Zionism being behind it need explaining to most people. You've gotten a really good education in the term, and I just gave you a link that talks about how it bears on the problem. When we ask you to clarify something, it isn't always because we are dense, and sometimes when you ask for clarification, it's pure combativeness. Dredd has been very kind in his most recent comments. Please, quit blaming us for your own failure to take a point.

Careful, Charlene: you're on the verge of slandering people. Well, at least one person, anyway. And he doesn't like it at all.

Pardon my French, but WTF is this BS?

WinterPatriot put up a link to Zionism in your name because he said there was no place that explains it well

FIRST: I have never posted anything in Agent99's name. I simply answered a question that was directed to her. I actually thought I was doing you both a favor. Silly me.

SECOND: I never said there was no place that explains it well. There are plenty of places that explain it very well, and I directed you to one of them.

What I actually said was:

I don't know of any source that I would trust completely, and absolutely. You have to read and think and make up your own mind.

And that is true of anything --- everything. There is no page on the web --- not even on this blog --- that you should trust completely and absolutely. You always have to read and think and make up your own mind.

I hope this is all quite clear. And I also hope that you will be much more careful in the future about how you characterize the comments of others.

99 #206

Nothing in # 205 is rude.
This is just your response to hearing the truth.
I go "postal" & "angry" & "rude" when I (?) "don't understand"?
Remember 99, when WP SAID YOU, repeat YOU, were mistaken because a spelling error was misconstrued.
You said I called some guy names & treated him badly & I demanded you name what names or how I mistreated him. I explained myself, & successfully so, according to WP.
Yet your response was to edit MY entire comment & you characterized it to everyone as "vitriol" (after you had already run me down to one & all over something I didn't do,) but you still thought it was ok to slip in your own justification--which WP said was MISTAKEN--hello, MISTAKEN, after deleting MINE. THEN you had the nerve to charactrerize me as always being mad.

WP SAID it was a mistake--yours, BTW. You mistakenly thought I did something I didn't do.--but you never owned up to all the rude things you said to me & about me over it.
That's slander--accusing me of name-calling & treating someone badly--always being mad--all because you had it wrong.
That's YOU gettin it wrong--again--& being rude.
I don't respect that.
Despite all the smiley faces you plaster everywhere--you have a darker side.

My comments are in defending myself--not ganging up on others for no reason at all.
Truth be told, it really irritated you when I said I don't believe all the in-jokes slung around are attractive to new bloggers.
That seemed to set you off on me--again.
You got that comment all twisted up too, & came back at me that there's no "in-crowd" here & we need humor. Once again, you had it all wrong. I didn't say anything like that. Yet you told me off. Said I went "on & on" about that guest blogger guy--when, in fact, I spoke of it again because WP ASKED me about it.
You were wrong about all of that too, & you said snarky things about me & never admitted you were wrong.
Who, exactly, is being dumped on here?

My question was very legit because your statement was very confusing.

Let me point out--I can't stress this enough--We're going through all this crap because you refuse to answer the question.
Plain & simple.

#207 WP

The tag team gangs up on & strikes (Charlene) with a one, two punch once again.

You wait til you bury the thread & then take your opportunity to snipe at Charlene--once again.
Well, you can always just erase whatever I say, characterize it as "vitriol", & make your own (erroneous) point while erasing mine.
Again.

Threatening me with slander now too, eh WP?
(All this rather than just answer an honest question when it was first asked.)
Slander has to be false.
Not the case here.

Pardon MY french (because if I, myself, were to say "WTF"--I'd get another raft of "Charlene's gone postal" & is way "rude" from the tag team)

I'll tell you just "WTF" this is about, my man:
First, you claimed 99 was sleeping, so YOU said you would answer a question for her.
Isn't that the definition of "in her name"--you answered a question put to her?
What is in that phrase that got you all up on your high horse about?
I don't get it.
99 now says she ignored the question on purpose.
So, you lied, WinterPatriot. You said she was asleep. She says she was too angry & rude to answer.
Right.
Well, some might suspect the reason she didn't answer the question wasen't all that noble.

Second, you directed me to a link that you said explained "radical Zionism". I took that to mean you make a distinction between (good) Zionism & "radical" Zionism, & that you didn't have a link for what "good" Zionism is about--so you gave me one for the radical type.
I figured that means the politically correct way to talk about what AIPAC has done to our foreign policy is to label them "extreme Zionists" as opposed to the regular Zionists.
You know, this entire subject is very important for Americans & others to understand so they know what's going on in our world right now & to understand what our country's response should be.

Seems like you & 99 know all about it from your statements, but you're both tight lipped & still refuse to explain.

Does Brad keep his knowledge all to himself about election fraud?

No, I'm not the only one reading this blog that's confused about this entire subject.
However, I AM the only one TAKING THE HEAT FOR TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT!

What is wrong with this picture, temporary editors?

Is this situation kosher?

Gang banging me sure takes the focus off what you're doing wrong doesn't it?

Charlene: I have said it before but I will say it again: Nobody is ganging up on you. You made a very broad --- and controversial --- statement a few days ago and I asked you to explain it, the same as I would do with anyone else; and that was all. I know that you and 99 have been scrapping and I have tried to moderate that dispute. If this is a crime then call the cops.

Everything in your recent post pertaining to my supposedly lying to you, and persecuting you, is entirely in your imagination. I am sorry to have to say this, but it's true. And nobody ever solved any problems by lying about them. As we are seeing elsewhere.

As for your most recent post, I won't take the time to refute all of it but I will quote a representative sample which illustrates your failure to grasp the simple realities here.

You wrote

You wait til you bury the thread & then take your opportunity to snipe at Charlene–once again.

In fact I objected to something you said in comment #205 and I said so in comment #207. If that's waiting till the thread is buried then I suppose that's what it is ... to you. But not to any rational observer, surely.

Your heart seems to be in the right place, most of the time, but you clearly need to decompress. So ... the best advice I can give you is to take a break from blogging for a while, and try to regain your composure.

And now, if you will kindly excuse me, I have some very important things to do.