IF there IS more to the story, these guys MIGHT be able to tell us a lot more about it ...

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones : Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?

WP
The official explaination is just not credible. The DOD does not shitcan 4stars period! At least not in public. I've searched the web for any additional info on this story and it appears to have gone cold. The links at the Huff Post address how unfair... etc. I read the Alex Jones piece earlier today. Interesting but no back up for their assertions. This one really reeks. He gets the old "morals charge" publically shoved up his rectum. Sound familiar? My guess is that the General was planning or had, willfully pissed in someones Cheerios. Without more info I'm not ready to buy into the Coup theory however that makes more sense than the bull shit the msm regurgitated. I'll continue my own search but if anyone finds new info please post it.

Hi again MEP ... that Watson/Jones article is very interesting but as you say, the speculation is wild. On the other hand, what happens when you take out all the speculation about Kevin Byrnes?

Sound like a lot of editing? No problem! I'll save you the trouble.

From The Whispering Campaign:
Are You Ready For Some Synthetic Terror? by Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

maybe he refused to pass the "football" so they could "go live"

Something more than meets the eye almost has to be going on here.

While I too find the rampant apparent speculation in some alternative stories on topics such as this irritating, I wonder how different mainstream press stories are. Are Cloak and Dagger, or Tom Flocco or Wayne Madsen any less respectable than Judith Miller?

Thanks for the link. I had read some of the other info and to tell the truth, to composite all of it is terrifying. If Jones and others are on the right track, we can hope that the good General has lots of friends. Thanks for your responses, I have enjoyed my visits here for sometime. Your guys and gals do a hell of a job.

I read somewhere that Byrnes is going to sue. Good. Maybe he'll get one of the four judges left that hasn't been replaced by a neocon operative.

I agree it's foolish to speculate about a "coup," but it sure is nice to think about. We're like the ancient pathetic unwashed masses here waiting for a messiah. So far they've all been a wash...

But Byrnes no doubt has many friends. It should be interesting to see if when the "president" orders the bombing of Iran, if any of the military simply refuse.

Again, probably more wishful thinking. And the neocon death machine rolls forward, unstoppable. Beware a new "terrorist attack" in the US in the next 4 weeks to "justify" our annexation of Iran. Seig heil, baby!

Phil #5

I agree, and thats what scares the hell out of me. I read Crossing the Rubicon last year. Finished it and let it age for a couple of weeks. Started thinking that if 20% of Ruperts assertions are correct, the world was in for some darkage class deep shit. So I started making use of Ruperts documentation, reading and researching his sources. I'll give him at least a 20% hit rate and thats enough to think seriously about stocking the basement with essentials. I don't wear a tin hat yet but I have a pattern to make one.

Ok, here's my speculation re. Byrnes:

I don't think Byrnes was relieved of command for a peccadillo. I don't think he was relieved because of what he did (ie. a coup). I don't think he was relieved because of what he knew (ie. might spill the beans). I think he was relieved because of what he would not do, because the chain of command knew that there were orders he would not follow, perhaps re. martial law or re. the exercises - not sure what.

This really, really creeps me out. Bushco is backed into a corner. They have absolutely nothing to lose.
Haven't many of us, joking and not, said "Time for another terrorist attack to push up the polls"?
Now the polls are in the toilet. Color alerts and duct tape
just won't cut it.

Only slightly OT. Perhaps we should send the Iraqi people our " Bill Of Rights". We're not using it.

WELL, that fired general was from the same military base that they are going to be having those nuke "drills" on August 17th. Hmmm.

Anyone have friends or relatives in the military stationed particularly on the east coast? In the Alex Jones article it makes reference that leaves have been canceled beginning Sept 7th. It might be interesting to check if there is any truth to that one detail.

According to Wayne Madsen, who as a former military man and gov't intelligence person himself claims a lot of inside intelligence contacts:

The sudden firing of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine (TRADOC) Commander, four star General and New York City native Kevin P. Byrnes, one of only 11 four star generals in the Army, has much more to do with a policy dispute than an anonymous Pentagon-reported story about an alleged "extra-marital affair." Although Byrnes has recently been involved in divorce proceedings, Pentagon insiders report that Byrnes was fired for insubordination. Byrnes' firing fits a pattern of neocon demonizing of policy opponents by tossing out unsubstantiated charges from "anonymous source." For example, when Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski was demoted to Colonel over trumped up charges over her role as commander of Iraqi prisons during the time of the prisoner abuse (and after she revealed the presence of Israeli interrogators in Iraqi prisons), the Pentagon spin machine, joined at the hips with neo-con think thanks and media outlets in Washington, cited a dated and totally unsubstantiated shoplifting accusation against her. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker, who Donald Rumsfeld hauled out of retirement to head up the Army after Gen. Eric Shinseki was fired and after no other active duty general wanted the job, relieved Byrnes of his command at Fort Monroe, Virginia. Byrnes had previous run-ins with the neo-cons in the Pentagon. In 2002, Byrnes was faced with being retired at Lt. Gen. after he clashed with then-Rumsfeld aide Stephen Cambone over proposed troop strength cuts. Then Army Secretary Thomas White, intervened on behalf of Byrnes and he received his fourth star. White was later fired by the Pentagon neo-cons.

What has not been reported is that recently, one of Byrnes' subordinate commands, Fort Rucker in Alabama, had been told to stand by for an influx of 50,000 military trainees --- a level the base has not seen since the Vietnam War. Byrnes' relief of command came on the heels of the Pentagon announcing that it might permit Spanish-language entrance examinations. Byrnes, who was in charge of Army training, would not only face recruits with lower education levels and past criminal records, but a lack of proficiency in English. Pentagon insiders report that it was Byrnes' policy disagreements with the Pentagon neo-cons over the new recruitment policies and the potential for calling up Army retirees and reinstating military conscription without adequate TRADOC funding that resulted in his firing. The personal misconduct charges were concocted by the Pentagon to cover up the fact that there are serious disagreements with Bush and Rumsfeld among the flag officer ranks in the military.

Byrnes was also associated with a group of officers who spent time at the U.S. Army War College at Carlisle Barracks in Pennsylvania. The Army War College has been a center of opposition to the war in Iraq and it is believed that Byrnes was recognized by the neo-cons as one of the unofficial leaders of a group of Army flag rank opponents of Bush's war in Iraq and potential military action against Iran

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ (Aug. 10, 2005)

As "far out" as it may seem, unfortunately, it probably has a lot of "real merit" since this Administration will do literally "Anything, no matter what!" to stay in power! THIS IS REALLY FRIGHTENING TO THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS SET ON USING A NUCLEAR WEAPON ON IRAN IF THE USA HAS ANOTHER 9/11 ATTACK! It all makes "sense" unfortunately!

Nuclear Training Drill May Have Provided Another Reason For Firing Of Four Star General
Suspicions mount as to real reason why Army General Kevin Byrnes was fired for sexual misconduct only months prior to retirement. Sources close to the Pentagon say Rumsfeld has wanted to get rid of Byrnes for more than three years.
August 15, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

http://www.arcticbeacon....rticle/1518131/31079.htm

Please forward to any U.S. Congressional Members or Senators that you feel are truly are "genuine" and believe in a true democracy!

Thanks,

Charlie Cregor
Dallas TX

BTW, the Rigorous Intuition website has a lot of interesting discussion on topics that mainstream media and many websites will not touch. Check out this particluar posting by Canadian blogger Jeff Wells regarding Byrnes's firing:

http://rigorousintuition...8/things-go-sliding.html

Gen. Byrnes needs to start talking, and talking, and talking: to Gen. Wesley Clark, to Prosecutor Fitzgerald, to the American people. If he wants the neo-cons out, he needs us, and we desperately need people like him to take a public stand, like heroine Cindy Sheehan.

The more I think about it, the more I think that this Byrnes relief of command is both more and less disturbing than it at first appears to be. I suspect it has little to do with any coup. But what it does have to do with, I suspect, is that folks are being cleared out of the officer ranks who might have scruples about what they are and are not willing to participate in.

Folks who might tend to put the breaks on increasingly dangerous, reckless and immoral activities by our military and civilian leaders.

Peggy I totally agree with your comment.

My ex-military husband keeps telling me the military mental condition all through the ranks conditions you to not rock the boat.. After all the "leader" knows best. Aha we see how that thinking has made us strong.

How can General Byrnes know that we could support him if he is opposing this horrendous Cheney idea? Maybe e-mail some courageous journalists, Maureen Dowd, Bob Herbert?

Found this at Booman Tribune and couldn't resist posting it: Click the image to enlarge it.

Ha, Ha - Winter - you are funny! Bush really is nothing but a jerk. How can military people even bear thinking his name, much less standing next him, in his "uniform".

Guess they were just props for the photo shoot --- like the rubber turkey --- and every other one of his orchestrated, phony public propoganda appearances.

"Here, George. Hold these up in front of your eyes and pretend you are surveying something to do with the military --- that's it --- keep still --- good --- one more shot --- that's it --- good job, George."

Has anyone else read the article by Alex Jones and Paul Joseph on 08/10/05 Prisonplanet.com?
Re: General Brynes

Would like to see if this is conjecture or any truth..very chilling if there is an iota of truth in it.

Hi, Texaslady - I looked at several of the articles briefly --- if Byrnes was part of a group opposed to Bushco., well he (they) lost --- this battle, at least --- if there are any "good" guys in the military, CIA, FBI --- they better take some "fast, permanent, successful and finalizing" action against the neo-cons --- and they should realize they are fighting people who have no respect for moral or written laws, or the lives of others.

I tend to agree with Phil on this one. It will be interesting to keep tabs on military firings, retirements, and reassignments, if possible.

It is unlikely the Gen. Byrnes would have been sacked for a disagreement with policy other than something very major unless he was insubordinate. Even then it is more likely that he would have been reassigned or reprimanded.

Very strange.

Hi Peggy - what worries me is we all are focusing on Bush...but he just is the front guy while Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeldt are pulling the strings and their agendas are not in our best interest.

It amazes me that anyone could conceive of a Nuclear drill (?) If this story is true we have let the lunatics loose.

Texaslady: Hitler and the Nazis were insane --- there are others in the past whose goals can similarly be described as criminal and insane --- Bush and the neocons are insane --- the situation is very dangerous --- I am extremely worried --- it is going to take a great deal of force to stop them.

Peggy - the only force we have available is to force as much media - internet attention on this issue. Secrecy and fear and power are on the side of the adminstration.

If this blog and others will keep this story alive, more and more will read it and some will care enough to force some answers.

Cindy's story shows that the smallest voice can gain strength...she has brought me hope after seeing the debacle of the 2004 vote. When die hard Bush people turn away just in this small area, I couldn't believe others would not as well. I was very disappointed that recounts were schelched.

Thank you Brad for working so hard to give us back a vote. Enough cannot be said for Brad and others working tirelessly for us.

Doug Stout 77 year old Korean War veteran of Albany Oh two weeks ago had 8 law inforcement agents and a helicopter search his 5 acre farm for marijuanna plants. Found nothing- Seems Mr. Stout had spoken out against Pres Bush on local AM WAIF radio calling Bush a liar and asking for answers. Also, radio station reported two unusual electrical strikes in less than six weeks taking out their transmitters since allowing residents to call in with their views. Again taken from Alex Jones reporting prisonplanet.com

WP -

That photo is a perfect metaphor for the solecism that is our present "administration." Why remove the lens caps when the "realities" you see exist in your head already?

Okay, I hate Bush as much as anyone--check my blog if you want verification--but I have to defend him on the binoculars picture. When demonstrating night vision equipment in daylight, you keep on the lens caps.

Having said that, we must impeach Bush and ship his ass to the Hague for war crimes tribunals.

Also very, very creepy is that they couldn't wait THREE MONTHS for the general to retire.

A recent article from the American Conservative lends support to the substance of this article on Byrnes.

“Meanwhile, my pessimism deepens as I read an online excerpt from an article by Philip Giraldi, in the American Conservative. It indicates that:
(1) the U.S. Strategic Command (STRATCOM) has been asked to draw up concrete, short term contingency plans for an attack on Iran, to involve "a large-scale air assault employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons" and
(2) that Vice President Cheney's office has specifically told the Pentagon that the military should be prepared for an attack on Iran in the immediate aftermath of "another 9-11." That's "not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States," notes Geraldi.

'ere ya go mate, if it don't make sense until this then i hope it makes more sense now...

cheers,
BK

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?

Reporter suggests Brynes discovered plan to turn nuke exercise into staged terror attack

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones August 10 2005

The head of Fort Monroe's Training and Doctrine Command, four star general Kevin P. Byrnes, was fired Tuesday apparently for sexual misconduct according to official sources.

Other sources however have offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so.

According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict.

Indications are that, much like popular opinion amongst the general public, half the military oppose the neo-con's agenda and half support it.

Further revelations were imparted by journalist Leland Lehrman who appeared today on The Alex Jones Show.

Lehrman's army sources, including a former Captain in intelligence, became outraged when they learned that the official story behind 9/11 was impossible.

They told Lehrman that the imminent Northcom nuclear terror exercise based in Charleston, S.C, where a nuclear warhead is smuggled off a ship and detonated, was originally intended to 'go live' - as in the drill would be used as the cover for a real false flag staged attack.

This website has relentlessly discussed similar style drills which took place on the morning of 9/11 and on the morning of 7/7 in London.

"Speculation exists that he had potentially discovered the fact that it was gonna go live and that he was trying to put a stop to it or also speculation indicates that he may be part of a military coup designed to prevent the ridiculous idea of doing a nuclear war with Iran, " said Lehrman.

Lehrman said that other sources had told him all army leave had been cancelled from September 7th onwards, opening the possibility for war to be declared within that time frame.

Northcom officials also admitted to Lehrman that CNN had been using its situation room as a studio.

Earlier this week, Washington Post reported that the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

American Conservative Magazine recently reported that Dick Cheney had given orders to immediately invade Iran after the next terror attack in the US, even if there was no evidence Iran was involved.

Government and media mouthpieces have been fearmongering for weeks about how a nuclear attack within the US is imminent.

Now would be the most opportune time for the Globalists to stage a major attack, as it would head off any potential indictments against the Bush administration for their involvement in illegally outing CIA agent Valerie Plame.

While rumors circulating about indictments having already taken place against Bush and Cheney should rightly be treated very carefully, the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into the matter is something that's admitted and shouldn't be viewed as speculation.

SOURCE - http://www.prisonplanet....00805fourstargeneral.htm

;) It's time for the good general to join the ranks of covert Constitution defenders conducting operations against this neocon Cabinet Junta. He has been relieved of the conflict of interest between following orders and following his oath. With his War College sharpened brain, he would be a valuable asset in tactical and strategic thinking. 'Nuff said.

I knew Byrnes when he commanded the 1CD DIVARTY at Fort Hood, TX in 1991-92. He was then, and still is now, an asshole. And not just your everyday run-of-the-mill asshole, mind you - he is a special kind of asshole. This kind of person makes enemies, and payback in this town (DC) is a bitch, let me tell you.

Ironically, Byrnes used to tell us "Don't do anything you wouldn't want to see on the front page of the Washington Post." Of course, last week he was on the front page of the Post for his screw up. Now that's karma!

This is not about adultery. It is about hypocrisy. Byrnes is a hypocrite. When I knew him at Fort Hood, he was "burn happy." He would burn officers and NCOs for the slightest infraction. It's great to see him get a taste of his own medicine. Like I said, payback in this town (DC) is a bitch.

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