READER COMMENTS ON
"New Revelations Raise Serious Questions"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Jeff
said on 8/15/2005 @ 1:08 am PT...
All of this is very, very interesting indeed. It's all coming out years, if not decades, sooner than I would have expected. With all the other things of this nature, we end up hearing about it when it becomes declassified, sometimes long after all involved parties are dead and/or otherwise immune to prosecution. But with this being out so soon, I would guess that there is currently a mad rush on the part of people whose faces we are not unused to seeing on television [with varying frequency] to try and cover tracks and breadcrumb trails leading out of forests and directly up to their front doors.
My prediction is that this will end up bigger than Watergate and much, much uglier, considering the American blood that turns out to have been on American hands all this time (regardless of whatever degree of specific knowledge these American hands may have had prior to, and during the build up to 9/11.
I've been devoting a bit of thought to this type of situation for a few months now. There are several websites out there with a panoply of theories and background stories on 9/11. Of course, some of them are very well thought out, researched, and offer much soundness in the way of explanation, while others are obviously the product of a mind previously clouded by paranoia, and therefor a bit sensationalist for my tastes (although: who am I to say they're wrong?). I've picked through plenty of them and formulated in my mind a list of facts, plausabilities, and bits that don't hold much water at all, by way of explanation. Check some of them out, and one thing will become very clear very quickly:the government's story simply does not add up in any way. It would seem that they have lied and gone out of their way to hide even miniscule pieces of information that wouldn't seem to have any real meaning to anyone...but I'm of the opinion that it ALL is secret for a reason. I'm not some conspiracy theorist, nor am I even inferring anything specific. But (and I believe they even ran a Nightline or 20/20 or one of those shows I don't watch about this very thing...), there are a lot of parties involved directly in our system of government (and a few stand out a little/lot more than the rest) who have profitted very greatly and "legitimately" as a direct result of A)the war on terror (which began only as a "result" of 9/11), and B)other peripheral interests and endeavors associated or tied, with varying strength, to the war on terror (including IRAQ, for one glaring example).
I submit no theories, both because I have none specific, and because I'm only saying this to put it out there...bring it to the attention of those who would care to hear/are be able to use such information and may not have known. I will say this:The constitution states very specifically that the ONLY purpose of government is the protection of the liberty of the people. Who did you vote for? In what ways are they PROTECTING your civil liberties for you (and are they stomping all over someone else's liberty in order to provide you such protection)? In what ways do [easily] 90% [probably more like 99%] of the laws passed in the last century do ANYTHING (anything at all) besides take away a bit more of your freedom and put a little more in the hands of those you elect? How free are you really (once you look past how free you're being TOLD you are)? And finally, Why the hell are you voting for republicans and democrats, when it is so openly known that they both engage in numerous scandals, clandestine operations, etc. aimed at furthering THEIR OWN goals, both personally and, more openly those of their affiliated party as a whole, and have demonstrated more than ample willingness to use, abuse, trample, and periodically dance a merry jig on, thosethat elected them and are supposedly their "bosses"? WHY?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 8/15/2005 @ 1:54 am PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 8/15/2005 @ 3:32 am PT...
In addition to this Full Sibel Edmonds interview
You may want to look up someone named Michael Rubin. He is a chief State Department official for Israel (AIPAC, a policy sect of PNAC) and has been involved in all kinds of things.....
So has his friend Michael Ledeen, but then beyond that in each Embassy there is some character just like Rubin. Just look around the State Department list of official lobbyists and you'll find them everywhere....
These guys are just as crooked as Abramoff, are from outside the country and all serve some common goal. A really bad agenda that everyone has been blind to because the State Department blocks investigations.
Doug E.
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Joan
said on 8/15/2005 @ 6:22 am PT...
Thank you, Mr. Cannon & thank you, Calipendence, for that link to the Sibel Edmonds interview.
This is all so SO disturbing. And it's also disturbing that none of it comes as any surprise.
I only wonder if our government has always been THIS rotten & corrupt---and it's only more visible now due to the internet---or if indeed, as has been said before, this bunch has sunk deeper, lower & darker than ever before.
But how is it that Sibel Edmonds can give interviews if she is under a gag order?
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Phil
said on 8/15/2005 @ 7:21 am PT...
I think that our government has always been much, much more corrupt than we would like to think. But as we are currently (though perhaps not for long) the richest and most powerful country in the world, it might not be surprising that the corruption has possibly taken over completely (reference qiescent Democrats). Power and money attract corruption like poop attracts flies.
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Don
said on 8/15/2005 @ 7:24 am PT...
It's good to see you are continuing on this issue.
Sadly, Daniel Hopsicker has been one of the few people in the last 4 years to connect the dots in the drug running down in Florida.
I am sure there is more to come from him on this...but back in June he covered the Suncruz ties to Atta.
Joe- you can go here for more on this...
http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html
or read his book Welcome to Terrorland
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Dan
said on 8/15/2005 @ 8:04 am PT...
Jeff:
We need proportional representation-a total revamping of how we are represented. So people don't feel like they are throwing their votes away when they vote for the third party.
dan
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Arry
said on 8/15/2005 @ 9:42 am PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 8/15/2005 @ 10:01 am PT...
I've decided to ask a few questions about how vote counting is done in West Virginia. I e-mailed a friend this morning to ask a few factual questions. I'm not sure how this will go forward, but if anything curious comes up I'll keep all 6 or 7 of you updated.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Dr. Alan H. Levinson
said on 8/15/2005 @ 10:16 am PT...
Speaking of corruption in government, I had a few questions regarding oil prices. In terms of the current issues regarding oil, there is something I don't understand.
Oil is nearly $70 barrell.
1. Why?
2. How many gallons are in reserve?
3. If oil was supposed to pay for this war, is it?
4. Is there any investigationm into the price-gouging of Americans?
5. Do oil Co's raise prices based on fear of shortage alone when there actually is none?
6. Didn't OPEC recently raise production?
7. Doesn't Bush realize he will kill his party just for short-term profit?
8. Who's the watchdog?
Thanks,
Alan
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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EighthVeil
said on 8/15/2005 @ 10:43 am PT...
Good questions Alan.
Not easy to give a quick response to a conspiracy that has been intergenerational in execution. Rockefellars Standard Oil company and the financing of his oil empire through the city of London money master Rothschild would be a good history. But for a quick read on why we now endure ridiculous energy prices at the pump today I lead you to google Lindsey Williams book "The Energy Non Crisis". It is a quick read and will give you quick answers.
Good questions--we all want answers. Its a crime that our government isn't serving the people's interests anymore.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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MrBlueSky
said on 8/15/2005 @ 11:30 am PT...
Jeez people. The magnitude and scope of this problem is enormous. Do you all understand the implications of Ms. Edwards' testimony?
The could expose the whole government.... Republicans, Democrats, even a few Independents and Third Party governmental leaders; non partisans, military and civilian alike.
Are we sure we are able to handle this? The magnitude of this scares me.
I would prefer to correct the problems, burn out the bad elements (i.e. the people we see on TV news each day) and move forward with good Democrats and Republicans.
I hope to God there will still be some left, after this...
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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jIMcIRILE
said on 8/15/2005 @ 11:47 am PT...
I've e-mailed or faxed excerpts of this to Randi Roades, Mike Malloy, Greg Palast, liberaloasis, Buzzflash, Rep. John Conyers, and Senators Feingold, Feinstein, Boxer, Reid, Kerry and Kennedy.
I invite you all to do the same. I used this grabber of a subject line:
What Was 9-11 Hijacker Atta Doing on Abramoff's Boat on 9-5???
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/15/2005 @ 12:42 pm PT...
#13 - We already have to be thinking, though, how to reach the point where we can say, "Never again."
It's scary because we are on the knife edge, but exciting because people are talking seriously about and analyzing representative democracy as they haven't in many years --- and developing the heart to defend it.
In my opinion, we will never return to the way it was. We have to participate in probably the greatest readjustment of our nation's political and cultural structure since the Civil War because the pervasive gangsterism we see is in the logic of the replacement of civil government by nihilistic market mentality - which has been almost completed in our country and is represented politically by the leadership (not the rank-and-file) of the Republican and Democratic Parties.
I'm scared, too, but I think all we can do is take some deep breaths and work together as well as we can - the party structure will evolve if we give all political parties a chance. The times they are a-changin' - really.
(BTW, I'm also distributing this story everywhere I can.)
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jIM cIRILE
said on 8/15/2005 @ 12:52 pm PT...
Holy crap!!!! Nice work, Mr. Cannon! This is pure dynamite! A logical jump to conclusions: it seems quite obvious that the Neocons were financing the 9-11 terrorists... and following the money could at last expose them and bring them down in a massive flaming pile of rubble.
BUT... even if we somehow unearth *hard evidence* implicating the Neocons in 9-11, will it even matter? The administration shrugged off the Downing Street Minutes and our so-called press couldn't care less. There are still a few mainstream publications that still print the truth, such as Harper's and Vanity Fair. And worst of all, will the DEMOCRATS even say anything or just pussy out like always in silent complicity?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 8/15/2005 @ 2:07 pm PT...
Over at WashingtonMonthly Political Animal Kevin Drum, formerly Calpundit, has blogged about Abramoff and Atta. He quotes someone else as referring to the Able Danger unit tracking Atta (and perhaps other 'terrorists') before 9/11 AND afterward.
There's a whole heap of questions and not enough answers yet.
Can you handle the Truth?
I think 6 or 7 of us can.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 8/15/2005 @ 3:08 pm PT...
Abramoff is trying to flee to Israel according to government officials. He may be opting an easy way out of testifying.
Abramoff to Israel?
Doug
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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gordonh
said on 8/15/2005 @ 3:19 pm PT...
Come on folks! This is just too staggering, and yet, entirely believable. The most disturbing part about it is that there are just "6 or 7" that seem to be dogging this, and this is some of the most explosive stuff to hit the fan all along.
I'm actually waiting for someone to tie the theoretical revolution that is starting to take life around Cindy Sheehan together with all of this. Already they seem to be tying the Downing Street Memos into her mega-publicity. Somehow it's time to hook all of this together and string it across the road to GW's ranch, and maybe then the MSM will finally start asking the questions themselves.
So, rock on people! Anyone with any ties to Cindy's campaign, start putting up the bulletins and placards, and getting it all into those interviews. Onward - before it's too late!!
Gh
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Doug Eldritch
said on 8/15/2005 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Good idea!!
And also- Go on every radio station and start ushering the word "IMPEACHMENT!" Rile up the entire american border, to get everyone into the streets.
And declare that the war must end, was based on lies in every single radio station people can hop onto!
Doug E.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/15/2005 @ 5:28 pm PT...
MarkH --- Can I handle the truth? I found more than I wanted to know last year when the sinking realization about 9/11 hit hard and all the dots got connected. The dizziness after the lightning bolt effects (which makes you buzz) goes away after a few days and then you're left with a remarkable clarity and determination to demand answers and truth from our governmental leaders. (Should the emphasis be on the "mental" part of the word "governmental?")
Actually --- please research everything you can about the group called "the Crazies" (Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld --- THE PNAC PLAYERS!) from the years of bu$h Sr. onward. This will open your eyes! Ray McGovern has written several articles & spoken during numerous interviews about these loonies. The word was that no one (who was making important decisions) should pay them any mind. They were not thrown out (back in the '80s) by the Republican Party for fear of losing part of their constituent base. (The Fundies, perhaps?)
I'm currently studying up on "the Crazies." I think all Republicans should start HEARING about the "Crazies!" Make sure you keep this subject afloat!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/15/2005 @ 9:39 pm PT...
I've followed the abramoff/scanlon/kiden story since last year --- they are the dirtiest of crooks! I found a current article that details the abramoff/scanlon fleecing of the Iroquois Indians. I hope they end up in prison for several life terms each (along with ALL the other corrupt & criminal politicians) --- scum of the earth.
Tribe flounders after state shutters casino
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/15/2005 @ 9:41 pm PT...
Spelling correction --- Kidan
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Kira
said on 8/16/2005 @ 1:22 am PT...
Acckk! I can't believe I wrote Iroquois --- I meant Coushatta. Don't ask me ... what was I thinking? (re: #21)
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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lukery
said on 8/16/2005 @ 5:24 am PT...
I was looking into the suncruz thing and i noticed something weird. that AP article you mention is dated Sep 27, but ashcroft didnt release the pix of the purported hijackers till that same day (altho the names of the hijackers were released on sep14). so we have to assume that when the article says the men were 'recognized', do we assume that someone just noticed their names?
that seems kind of odd - the ships have a capacity of 1200 people, and the employees there had no reason to ever think these people were ever on the boats - so its not like they were looking for them or anything.
i have the details here
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Jeff
said on 8/16/2005 @ 8:40 am PT...
In re: MrBlueSky Comment #13
I think that sweeping as much as possible under the rug, crossing our fingers, praying to deities which may or may not even exist, hoping for the best, and continuing on with the same two(powerful, unchecked)-party system that brought us here to begin with is a great idea. And then perhaps we can use medical technology to awaken our dear friends Stalin and Hitler and have them run as the heads of the two parties. Or Cheech and Chong, for that matter (minus the techish part, of course). Hell, it doesn't matter as long as we put on a happy face, love, hope for the best, and lie to the mirror every day, right? Isn't that (and BIG MONEY from superfluous lawsuits!) what America is all about? "Who cares how--just make it go away and for God's sake---don't you hurt my poor innocent Republicans and Democrats!" That sort of complacence should build a nice strong, morally unshakable America that's just oozing with integrity and accountability.
This surface has yet to be scratched at all. You only THINK you're scared now...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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dz
said on 8/16/2005 @ 5:31 pm PT...
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 8/17/2005 @ 6:39 am PT...