I think it has to be number twelve.

I say that because as has been pointed out elsewhere, there is a thicker slime in this admin.

And the slime is toxic.

Scandal will never touch this administration until the public knows about it and their congressman knows his own neck is on the line. But, the public won't know unless the press reports the stories. And, the press won't report unless it's somehow in their own interest to do so. What's driving their interest is anybody's guess.

1-99 or something else will be offered as THE scandal, but in effect it will be that someone thinks they've milked this administration for all they war pirating they are gonna get and it's time to move on. Character, lies, treason, those aren't really important to some folks. Those are just used to get the public riled up.

although rove-gate is getting the most attention right now, anyone who reads this and other intelligent blogs know there are many more serious issues. Such as voter fraud. Me personally, i think many of the issues of lying from this administration and the justification for them doing otherwise irrational acts and bungling so many aspects of the war in iraq, money missing, missed pre0 9-11 warnings, points to a far more serious issue that needs to be taken seriously. extraterrestrial reality. These people are weaponizing space and have been for a long time. Do they really think they can fight off the "evil aliens?" and are they going to perpetrate another hoax soon of an extraterrestrial invastion? sounds silly, but if they probably think there's too many people on the earth, and want it for themselves.

i appreciate your work brad. but i wish people would be more open minded about extraterrestials, because it's the only way Bush's actions start to make sense.

Subj: Exclusive list of unfolding scandals

You asked for the list of scandals. Beware, it is ugly, it is dark, and it is true. [More . . .]

Revealed for the first time.

A good place to start would be the Project for the New American Century site. I believe that the information there outlines at lot of what is going on and is part of the bigger picture. You can see "the plan" unfolding as it has.

Project for the New American Century

An interesting fact to note, and I also have this on my site is the relation of what is currently going on in our own country with Goebbels at Nuremberg and the Rise of Hitler and the Third Reich

But how soon people in the United States forget. I found the above in my wanderings and research of 9/11 and also found, interestingly enough an article which speaks of how THE PATRIOT ACT closely mirrors THE ENLIGHTENMENT ACT passed by Hitler after their catastrophie, the Reichstagg Fire (their 9/11).

While many people are completely unaware of all of this, do not forget that Farenheight 9/11 won the People's Choice Award. I reflect on Michael Moore, whose theory in that movie now seems quite conservative as to all we know now. Also know that the polls posted earlier DO reflect a public change in attitude.

I do not think, given the poll numbers that public opinion and the people are well aware that "something" is up. I think they have instinct and even while they may not know, they can feel that something is very wrong. All that inspite of the media or lack thereof. I don't think they are buying the propaganda.

All of this together is part of a big picture and ideas formed by the PNAC in the 90's. It all fits . . . the election stolen twice, 9/11, misdirecting and going to war with Iraq (which is one of the first objectives for expansion and World Empire in the middle east as it is a strategic vantage point to move into other surrounding countries), lies and propaganda.

I still am in shock and do not want to believe that such evil exists where our government is hiijacked and taken over by those who would attack our own people so that they could attack others.

This thing is a lot bigger than just election reform. I hope our Velvet Revolution works, because in fascist regimes elections ARE fixed. What concerns me is that these people will continue to Rig elections in order to maintain control, but we all know this. Jeb Bush is next up to the plate and a bit more dangerous as he appears to have more brains than "too stupid to chew a pretzel." (quote borrowed from Mike Malloy of AAR).

My two cents or probably 25 cents.

Oh My God,This is so cool,how its just dripping everything out. I'm sitting and watching msnbc and listening to Rep Barney Franks and he's talking Impeachment on the msm media,(I am blown away)Brad I absolutely Love you for being so Tenacious on this administration.Of course now we have the republican shill trying to divert away from all Barney's points, but good ole Barney absolutely slapped him down! I love it,I love it,I love it. Thanks Brad you are doing a great job,and I am so proud of all the people here to keep all this going.Just think our very own REALITY T.V. I also have to vote for #12. I think the prosecutor really has his teeth into this and I pray for that man every night, and all of us that have been totally lied into this SHIT we find ourselves in! Keep it up brad I got your back!

I'm thinking a nice, broad RICO investigation that ties all of the individual scandals together would be very sweet. I don't just want to see BushCo in crisis - I want to see them all in chains after what they've done to this country.

re #5 JP : the "ENLIGHTENMENT ACT"??

Did you mean to say "the ENABLING ACT" ??

Probably

There are some very scary comparisons here.

I'm with Richard #7! Yeah, I'm sure Alberto Gonzalez will get right on that... Maybe there are some top FBI brass who haven't been replaced yet by Bush loyalists ballsy enough to take this risk.

Seriously, who would've thought that THIS issue would get traction where a stolen election and the DSM did not? I think maybe SOME of the media has just had enough. So let's seize that opportunity. This week I'm writing a bunch of major papers and including the Conyers report and info on Clint Curtis. Strike while the iron is hot. Join me, "6 or 7 squad"!

Will the house of cards come down because of this? If Bush was smart, he'd fire Rove's ass immediately, regain credibility and then simply have Rove continue to pull the strings anyway. That would save the whole thing. But he won't do that. And that is what will be his undoing.

Oh yeah, that, and 5 years of crimes against humanity.

I was browsing and took a rare look at the wayne Madsen Report. He has an item from July 10 that is terrific. He says that former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook reports that "al Qaeda" was literally a US created database of the mujahideen (thousands of them) who were recruited to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. At some point they've clearly gone off on their own and became our adversary or are still partly controlled/run by the US for nefarious purposes. The plot thickens.

wayne madesen report

newspaper report with Cook statement

Yes you are right Winter, if only i could have edited my post thanks hon.

2 in 1:

1) Bush's unprecedented misuse of science and his war on the environment don't get a lot of press, but I would add those to his list of scandals. No, those scandals won't bring down this administration, but the damage he's doing might be longer term that we dare realize.

2) Here's a site that does its bit for environmental awareness, along with providing a means for sending on-line greeting cards (like Birthday Cards, for example!!!!). I've used it in the past, with no problems. More, I don't know, except what I've read in the company's mission statement.

http://www.e-cards.com/

Send web-based postcards to friends and family. Every card sent helps generate a donation for Nature.

Happy Birthday, Brad!!!!!!

Until we get paper ballots with verifiable voting and a media that is not controlled by corporations and advertising it will have to be...

15) None of the above and none in the future

Oh how I wish I wasn't a pessimist when it comes to the GOP!

London Bombings: enough people are paying attention this time to catch them at it and pull the threads. Greenspan's fingerprints on bombing http://cunningrealist.bl...07/following-money.htmll and Raw story had a link to how there was a 500% increase in trojan horse emails in the week before and after the bombing, plus all the inconsistencies being tracked real time on many sites such as http://wotisitgood4.blog...7/lootin-terrorists.html
Just verify, verify, verify.

As a structural engineer, buildings will not come down as the twin towers and their sister bldg did, no matter what or how you damage them without expertly designed and timed explosives planted on all the support columns. Sorry - didn't believe it when I saw it -still don't.

Pebble, what do you regard as the most glaring hole in the official WTC story?

I watched in amazement tonight as Keith Olbermann said something unprecedented on the MSM: that the word "ethical" has now been fully scripted out of the administration (or words to that effect). He's champing at the bit, poor guy.

I too would love to see RICO take the neo-cons down. But something *unavoidably* awful is going to have to come out first.

Happy birthday, Brad!!! Thanks for everything!

Rove is at the center of a good part of these scandals

Plame leak - DSM (those are connected already - if the niger documents were discredited the likelyhood of being able to invade Iraq was slim to none) / Tom Noe / Ohio election tampering / Sproul & Associates / Jeff Gannon /

you forgot the other "spy case" that's heating up - Franklin passing classified info to AIPAC.

The other scandals primarily involve the other nuts in the fruitcake administration -

Keep pulling on the Rove card, and poking the others... Gravity will bring them down.

Oh, apparently as of June 29 Bush has taken over the FBI. Forget any RICO investigation.

Also started a new intelligence service called the NSS which will forever protect 1-party rule. Good Lord, this is ghastly. No one in the media is reporting this. Thanks to our pals at Smirking Chimp... the scariest article I've read this week...

http://www.smirkingchimp...;mode=nested&order=0

Hey folks,

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Check out this link for the details.

He's made it to the top 10 of PoliticsOnline's most influential websites for 2004. (Why they are having this vote so late in 2005, I do not know.)

If you support him, take 10 seconds to cast your vote. Thanks!

By the way, why isn't BradBlog there? It's a crime that he isn't.

Rove, rove, Rove your boat's
sinking with your lies!
Verily, verily, verily, verily
treason's your demise!

I vote for #1 (Plamegate) & #11 (9/11).

#1 will be more immediate and #11 will take several more years before it comes to fruition, possibly longer than Bush would be around if #1 doesn't take him down first.

Mark Prime #20,

That is absolutely a brilliant song! I want to go to a protest march and sing it with a crowd. That would be fun and powerful!

Mind if I share it around?

I think Bolton's NSA intercepts should be on the list.

The fact that the administration is more concerned about keeping this under wraps than getting a vote on Bolton suggests that there is something pretty damning in them.

Not that I think this will bring them down - we won't see them unless they are leaked, and this seems unlikely.

(FWIW - Does Fitzgerald have a history of RICO prosecutions? I seem to recall reading that)

Comment #13 said what I was thinking,
so I vote number 15 also.

Happy Birthday Brad!

#13 Maybe it's time to take another look at who ordered the downing of Flt. 93

Number 9 easily!!! The Ohio election fraud!!!! When it goes through all the appropriate channels, something's gotta give! Still interested in the election fiasco!!! What's wrong with this picture!?

Here is one more: Iraqi Election Fraud allegations. Check:http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0718-03.htm

And always remember this: one can only see the tip of the iceberg...

The teflon administration isn't so teflon anymore.....And it's getting pounded away day by day, indictments being handed down and people put away.

It took ultimately, the Downing Street Minutes coming out to permanently shred its credibility.....And tear a hole over 100 feet wide in its cushy exterior.

Now everything is leading back to downing street, the pay to play scams, election fraud, ENRON, ARAMCO, aiding terrorists in London, everything....

They needed EVERYTHING in PNAC's plan to happen in order to get their illegal wars. That is what Dick Cheney and his co-conspirators like Richard Perle demanded and wanted!

They used religious puppets who were completely insane, to march as their army. And the insane don't question loyalty, they are undoubtedly loyal no matter what....

But I don't think the absent minded George is so loyal anymore.....I think he's been torn down so many times, that its just about worn in on him. The lies are too great and he was deceived by some very reckless traitors.

It's all coming to a head now......Begin to pour out the umbrella drinks, GITMO is not just a sunny vacation spot anymore!!!!

Doug E.

Happy Birthday, Brad! We all love you a ton, and are greatly beholden to you for your tenacity, integrity, and devotion to the Truth. My compliments to your parents, as well as to you!

ConManGate:

The ABC Affair (or Conspiracy)...Bush, Blair, Berlusconi and Ahmed Chalabi

There's another interesting tidbit of information in the July 14, 2003 Novak article in which he exposed Valerie Plame's CIA connections.

Novak also talked to a CIA official who called the preparer of the forged Niger documents a "con man."

I don't know about you, but my first thought was of Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi National Congress "con man" who was helping the neo-cons in the Bush administration "fix" the intelligence in pursuit of their Iraqi invasion plans.

Supposedly, from what I've read, an Italian businessman gave the forged Niger documents to an Italian reporter who then turned them over to the Italian authorities (U.S. embassy?) which then passed them on to Washington, and presumably intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom, too.

Why did the person, or group, who prepared the forged Niger documents, choose Italy as the "drop" location? Who was this Italian businessman who was used as a go-between? Any connection to Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi? Any connection to Ahmed Chalabi?

In other words, we have three countries, the United States, England and Italy, whose leaders decided that Saddam Hussein must go. The administrations of each then cooked the books, "sexed up" the intelligence, and may have even conspired in preparing and disseminating some forged documents.

Or, maybe someone representing a group that was obsessive about removing Saddam Hussein, for example, Ahmed Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress, decided to help supply evidence of Saddam Hussein's supposed nuclear ambitions. Of course, they botched the preparation of the documents and the documents were subsequently proven to be fake.

But, in the meantime, these documents, that first showed up in Italy, made the rounds in England and the United States, with Bush including in a speech a reference to British intelligence and the presumed Niger yellow-cake transaction that never occurred.

So, why hasn't the Italian government put pressure on the Italian journalist to discover who gave her the forged documents, like Patrick Fitzgerald is doing in relation to Judith Miller in an attempt to make her reveal what top-level Bush official leaked the name of Valerie Plame to her? Is the Berlusconi government in Italy involved in a cover-up, too? Was Berlusconi asked to help Bush and Blair "fix" the intelligence to start war in Iraq, and the forged Niger documents were his government's contribution? Or was the "con man" referred to by the CIA official speaking to Novak a reference to Ahmed Chalabi who decided Italy would be preferable to the U.S. or England as the location where the forged documents would be released?

This is an important part of the entire conspiracy cooked up by three government leaders to start a preemptive, elective war of aggression.

I wonder if anyone in Italy is looking into this end involving faked documents? Has a coverup occurred in Italy, orchestrated by Berlusconi to help out his friends Bush and Blair?

Because if these fake documents were prepared by Ahmed Chalabi, then this level of culpability would go far beyond the "Curveball" informant...which, if I remember, took place in Germany with German intelligence highly skeptical about the value of "Curveball"'s information. Of course, Germany didn't join in the invasion of Iraq, and apparently Germany's intelligence apparatus wasn't eager to be "gamed" by Chalabi and the INC, while Bush, Blair and Berlusconi were.

Call it ConManGate. This is what the entire Iraq war is, including the lead-up to the war. Just a big Con. But, I believe the big Con involves a major conspiracy between three supposedly democratic countries whose leaders wanted control of Iraq's oil and all the profits this control would generate for companies in their respective countries.

Bush, Blair and Berlusconi...and ConManGate. With Ahmed Chalabi representing one of the major links in this ABC Affair, or should I say, his initials providing the bookends around the three B's in the middle.

It's #12 and #13. Nothing really tops stolen elections as an issue, but the point with these people is that they have a criminal mentality, so prioritizing their crimes doesn't help us much.

How does a criminal think? This is a layman's view of the Bush administration, not coming from one with any training in pyschology or criminal justice.

1) Moral considerations are disregarded. The immediate goal (stealing an election, grabbing oil, invading someone, destroying a political opponent) supersedes right and wrong. The end justifies any means.

2) "Liberal" equates with weakness, "conservative" with strength. Being strong is manly (alpha male), being weak is sissified. "Strong" means warlike, heterosexual, dominant. "Weak" is unacceptable.

3) "Intellectual" also equates with weakness. George Wallace used to talk about "pointy-headed intellectuals." He meant Northern and Eastern editorial writers, but really, anyone with an I.Q. over 90 qualified with George. Today, the red-state anti-intellectualism we see is a repeat of Wallace's politics, a broader version of a Southern strategy.

4) Seduce religious leaders into thinking we're their spiritual soulmates. Talk about "faith," and say that people "of faith" are being discriminated against. Make a fuss over the Ten Commandments, and if someone says, "The Ten Commandments proscribe killing and lying, and you're doing that..." call them unpatriotic.

5) Like right and wrong (see #1), truth and falsity are irrelevant. It's "our reality" vs. "your reality."

6) The criminal always sees himself as a victim. If Rove has outed a C.I.A. agent, spread vicious lies about political opponents, and held the news media hostage to a denial of access if anything negative about Bush is written, that's all O.K. because he's the "victim" of a liberal media (which he somehow controls) and "unfair attacks" by enemies (whom he has made into enemies through his tactics). It's the white-collar version of the extreme liberal position that a criminal isn't responsible for his acts because of the way others have treated him.

Modus Operandi:

Criminal fascists think the end justifies the means.

But remember, in a **stolen election** and the possibility of stealing future elections, corrupt politicians and criminals lavish at the sight of big money.

"SHARONVILLE - The chairman of the Ohio Republican Party insisted Monday that GOP state officials will find and punish those responsible for the political scandals engulfing Columbus - no matter where the investigations lead.

"Some people made bad decisions," Bob Bennett told more than 100 Hamilton County Republicans at a fund-raiser at the Sharonville Convention Center.

"We will ferret out the wrongdoers," he said. "Republicans will clean out any bad apples in their own house."

Bennett blamed the scandal involving the loss of $200 million in investments at the Ohio Bureau of Workers' Compensation **on both Democrats and Republicans** ..."

http://news.cincinnati.c...EWS01/507190350/-1/CINCI

So we have some very bad people in the GOP that need to get "flushed out" in Ohio, Georgia and elsewhere....The question is will they do it to save their own ass? Or will they fall on the sword, before Dick Cheney and the big crooks get hauled in?

http://www.countthevote....a_dec_02_punch_list.html

Remember, stolen elections is the most serious crime. Howard Dean has indicated this..

If that little debacle of corruption isn't ferretted out, we will have neocons electing themselves all the time and a senate/house full of DLC democrats. Yippee! That's just what Diebold wants, so the money can keep on flowing in.

Several states have already won this war and stolen elections are strongly prevented....But in many other states, Georgia and Mississippi Ohio and Florida this war has just begun. And believe me when I say it: We need to clean the whole house, including the DLC.

What would real americans do? WE can not stand by any longer, this is our job.

Doug E.

Not sure which will be the card that finally causes the house to fall, but I DO feel that once the foundation crumbles, everything (or almost) will come spilling out. I think there are more than a few "unknowns that we don't know" yet that may also take it down, and the GOOD thing is, more people are paying attention now. Mainstream media still has to do their job, but once we can get a few to start covering it, the rest will circle like sharks. At least the White House Press Corps seems to no longer be in zombie mode.

However, my gut feeling is that when it all falls, when the truth comes out, the majority of this country will be so shell-shocked that they will react with cognitive dissonance - some will NEVER believe all that really happened, and will go to their grave thinking it was all a partisan plot to bring down the GOP President.

To paraphrase Fleckenstein on the economy:

NOTHING will bring this administration down until ANYTHING will bring this administration down.

It will follow a path, like an electrically charged circuit:

rove-plame affair functionally destroys rove & bush's "inner core"
---> already weakened, the downing street docs lead to impeachment
--> paired with the abu graid/gitmo revelations & the downing street docs., war crimes are charged - resulting in incarceration
---> resulting fallout leads to further investigations
---> gannon-gate, ohio-coin-scandal, abramoff/delay-scandal ect., all break simultaneously in an atmosphere of extreme public outrage - evicerating & impaling the republican core
---> the resulting outrage leads to further, heated investigations
---> the '00, '02, '04 elections are found to be fradulent (with suprising investigation into Kerry primary wins vs. dean)
---> raging investigations continues
--> uncovers Bush admin (and some other politicians) complicity/orchestration of 9/11 attacks

For Doug E.: If Bob Bennett is sincere about cleaning up all the corruption in Ohio, that will inevitably lead to Blackwell's desk. In turn, that will expose the stolen 2004 election, because all the corrupt fundraising, voting-machine fraud, discriminatory allocation of machines, and assorted dirty tricks were aimed at the same goal...winning Ohio for Bush.

Bennett has to know this. Effectively, his public statement means, "I'm going to fall on my sword in the public interest, but I'm going to try to do it in such a way that Democrats share the blame for a stolen election." I'll see it when I believe it.

http://www.democrats.ref...use.gov/story.asp?ID=893

Rove, all the way.

It will take an Orange Revolution to bring them down.

#34 RLM, you are exactly right, and ditto to the subsequent posts.
Re #38, I pray that it plays out exactly that way, Sojo. If we still had a media (and yes I know some seem to be wiping the sleep from their eyes) all that would already be happening (ok I'm stating the obvious).

And although it's certainly true that there is, & has been for decades, corruption & complicity within the Democratic party, I am sick to death of people carefully saying "it's both sides"..."dems & repubs are equally corrupt"...etc., as did Carl Bernstein last night on the Daily Show.

NO. Let's be clear: the damage done to the country under the "leadership" of this republican administration, with the immoral, unethical & misguided loyalty of the great majority of their republican fellows in Congress, is unprecedented & dwarfs any misdeeds by the Democrats.

If the Democratic basket has more than a few rotten apples, the republicans are a warehouse full of rottenness with PERHAPS a few relatively untainted souls who MAY still possess a conscience.

But didn't they ALL vote NO on the $2 billion proposed for veterans' benefits?
Didn't they ALL vote NO on the proposal to strip leakers-of-classified-information of their security clearance?
Conscience? Ethics? Tell me who.

Of the ordinary people who call themselves republican, I believe there are many good, decent people; maybe even most of them. They've been lied to & their party's been defiled.
I hope to God they wake up & smell the coffee.

Re: Oracle #33

Fascinating your highlighting of the Italian connection. I wonder if this had anything to do with the shooting death in Iraq of one of Italy's top intelligence officers? (when the journalist was seriously wounded) Perhaps he knew too much?

Pure speculation--I've nothing to back this up. I do remember reading some speculation that the intelligence officer was the target, not the journalist.

Happy B-day Brad! (It's my B-day too!!)

I will have to choose "Anything the MSM Decides to Investigate." There is plenty to choose from. They have decided to cover TreasonGate and look at how the opinion polls have changed as a result.

TreasonGate will all come down to a battle of semantics.

And unfortunately, I think Rove will pull an OJ. Events will "morph" like OJ's glove. And in the end it won't appear to have ever fit.

The political situation can be summed up like this:

Republicans: not afraid to lie
Democrats: afraid to tell the truth

I'm refering to the party leadership and elected folks, not the regular people. I just spent 20 minutes on teh phone with the DNC, trying to make the point that it VERY CLEAR BUSH LIED US INTO IRAQ, and when are you going to get outraged about it? After 200,000 iraqis are dead? after 5,000 US soldiers are dead? you have the proof. you have the documents. you have the whistle blowers. you could ruin the republican name for a generation, and you don't even have to spend a penny! all you have to do it TALK ABOUT IT. make it a priority. front page it. make sure every dem on TV talks about it. that's all it takes, because America is starving for leadership.

Oh yeah! Please sing to the tune of Happy Birthday:

Happy Birthday to yoooooo
Thanks for all that you dooooo
You're a Hero, we love you
And this blog is awesome & the Brad Show is toooo!!!!

(insert musical note here, if I knew how)

Have a bang-up birthday, Brad!
Love, Joan

I'd encourage the public to look at the accreditation issues related to those institutions that create these types of public officials.

In short, the solution to this pervasive problem simply isn't jail time. It means an overhaul of the ethics and educational systems.

How are people gradulating from these institutions if they are failing to conduct their affairs in a civilized manner?

The solution isn't simply to audit, but to strip the accrediation of those institutions that permit this type of conduct to go unsanctioned.

There should be a post-graducation period whereby personnel who fail to live up to the institutions standards should be stripped of the requisitite accreditation needed to perform that role.

The standards are there. It is ridiculous to have standards that are explained away by a nation of apologists called the RNC and media.

Maybe the most important news of the week so far is that June housing starts were flat, and May housing starts revised downward. If the real estate bubble has peaked, it will now implode. There's been way too much speculation, and speculators will rush the exits. And, although the Fed has been able to manipulate the financial markets to hide the extent of our nation's bankruptcy, it can't hide a collapsing real estate bubble--or the carnage that it will bring in bond and equity markets.

Another trigger may be the upcoming SCOTUS appointment, which has the potential of starting civil riots. We're at the turning point in a culture clash not unlike that of the slave vs. free states prior to 1860. Civil war is not out of the question.

If either or both of these scenarios unfold, all the many Republican scandals are likely to explode in the MSM. I think this Rove/Plame scandal has been particularly damaging to the administration because it has exposed Rove's vulnerability, and weakened his ability to punish anyone who doesn't hew to the Party line.

The Big Enchilada, of course, would be proof that the election of 2004 was stolen. Now that Rove is crippled, it could happen...

I'd add that the Ohio scandals are closing in from the other side.

If the mainstream media don't let up on Rove (whether or not he's indicted by Fitzgerald), then the Toledo Blade/Cleveland Plain-Dealer exposes of Blackwell, Noe and friends will intersect with Rove's downfall. The point where the lines cross on the graph is called the 2004 election.

I've always believed it would happen, just as I always believed the Red Sox would win the World Series eventually.

Yeah, Happy Birthday Brad! One year younger

its all about 9/11 folks! we need sibel edmonds' gag order lifted, and we need some real truth.

please checkout the upcoming rally this weekend in D.C. called 'D.C. Emergency Truth Convergence!':

also, did you know there is a 9/11 congressional hearing this friday sponsored by 2 congresspeople to bring up the failures of the 9/11 commission?

there are gunna be some big names there, please check it out!:
http://www.911blogger.co...-briefing-july-22nd.html

When the truth comes out...
about Rove orchestrating the hiring of Jeff Gannon (not to mention all the naughty Whitehouse sleepovers), Rove will resign, and then we'll *really* see the house of cards fall.

"...breadth of scandals finally coming home to roost right now on this administration (has there ever been a dirtier one?) is simply remarkable."
_____________

Has there ever been a dirtier one? Yes, the Nixon administration and the Clinton administration.

Jose #53, there's a great bit in Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" about how he uncovered some bad-ass shit against Clinton and decided not to expose it. I think we have to accept there's "good" corruption and there's "bad" corruption. A certain amount of it is to be expected. It's the way the world works. But the primary difference with the Bushies is their "hidden" PNAC imperialist agenda, which the media to this day refuses to touch. THAT is what makes them evil, whereas Nixon was just a crook and Clinton, hell, was a damn good president with just the right amount of sleaze

I've just created and uploaded a 35 minute video about the Bush Administration's tendency to leak classified information just when it hurts the war on terror the most. Accuses "Team Bush" of being
indirectly responsible for death of 50 Londoners.

Tone is sarcastic and obscene, as you can probably tell from the title. If you think its worth sharing (I'm hoping people will try sit thru a couple minutes of it), please do.

I plan on continually updating the video (with fresh video footage as it becomes available) until Karl Rove is fired.

Is free for download, including an MPEG-2 copy which can be used to author DVDs. Please check it out.

Splash page:
LeakingLikeAGreasyAsshole.com

9/11 and building7. The House of Bush will fall like a controled demolition. The Bush legacy? High treason and mass murder. Trust me truth seekers, it will happen! :blush:

As I've said... pretending to fire Rove and other involved will save Bush and resolve #1.

The DSMs should be able to do a lot more towards impeaching Bush himself.

whitewater, Monicagate, Vince Foster, Kathleen Wiley, Paula Jones, Jane Doe #1-6, troupergate, cattlegate, blah blah blah - it all meant nothing and you guys know it and all of this means nothing - get over it!

Well, Paul, the Republicans didn't think all of that meant nothing...they impeached Clinton on account of it.

What matters now is not whether WE get over it (we won't, trust me), but whether THEY get past it.
Don't bet the farm they will. The media have ignored the Bush follies until now...but they were lied to once too often, and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Moral...don't ever lie to people who are covering up for you. They'll resent it.

I don't care which investigation/scandal ushers in the Fall of the House of Bush, as long as it falls. I'm getting impatient waiting for karma to kick in.

Also - MSNBC poll asking if you agree with Bush's handling of leak investigation, click here to vote

Read this excellent article and website:

http://www.tvnewslies.or...gnoring_9_11___pnac.html

9/11-PNAC, should be the #1 topic of discussion in the MSM, and nary a word about it. The MSM still stinks.

I think the biggest topics go hand-in-hand: Computerized vote fraud and the MSM not covering it. There is so much statistics proving vote fraud, that any intelligent person knows it happened. Just one tiny example, is the exit polls showed Kerry won by 5 million popular votes, but the final count was 3 million for Bush. That's an 8 million vote swing! That's no accident. There's overwhelming evidence out there, and nothing's happening, because there's a lockdown in the MSM about it. Look at what happens when the MSM covers a story---the Rove story. Contrast the MSM's coverage to computerized vote fraud, and this is why the MSM is ruining our country. Someone like BRAD should investigate why the MSM won't cover vote fraud, that's a story in itself.

I see in comments above, someone already mentioned the 9/11-PNAC topic (or non-topic).

Another topic mentioned above is a RICO lawsuit. I've written before about this, but apparently still know one knows this. Philadelphia attorney Phil Berg has a RICO lawsuit against Bush & Cronies already, go here:

http://www.911forthetruth.com/

One last thing, if you want the best non-corporate-owned, non-filtered, non-censored newspaper, I found out about American Free Press. Here's the latest excellent article from AFP:

http://www.americanfreep....net/html/flight_93.html

I always mention AFP, because I think I've found the best newspaper in America. I mentioned this paper to Clint Curtis, because AFP ran SEVERAL articles on the Clint Curtis story, yet I never hear anything from Brad about AFP, and when I mentioned AFP to Clint, he said he never heard of it. Amazing.....no one heard of the best newspaper in the United States. Actually, that makes sense, the more you think about it.

I see comments above about Flight 93 being shot down...

GO HERE, GO HERE, FAB READERS!!!!!!!

http://www.americanfreep....net/html/flight_93.html

These guys do investigative journalism like BRAD does!!!

The repug right default setting is Monicagate and Lies under 'oath' by Bill.

They forget, conveniently' that the POTUS (all of them), take an "Oath" of office---"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of POTUS---etc. " Right there, in the open before the whole world the President takes his office a four year 24/7 job and swears an "Oath" to defend the constitution.

The pertinence of that is to recognize that the POTUS is always 'under oath' and that what he says all the time and including the SOTU speech given every year, are under 'oath'. Lies in the SOTU and the 16 words which were used to send us to war cannot be excused, they can be grounds for Impeachment.

Little wonder why Rove had to attack and destroy Wilson, not just to keep their illegal war plans on track but to keep the 'selected' POTUS in office.

These investigations have produced 0 (zero) so far.
Zero as in nuthing, nada, nil. Everyday is one more day that these lying murderers are in power instead of a jail cell where they belong. This is a Bunch of BUSHIT. Paint the White House "red" (color of murder) and the Capital building "yellow" (to distiguish a majority of weak yellow follower robots in Congress). The bioch of the Bushit administration is the corporately owned lying mass media and they can go to hell.

#5 & #8

Thanks for the links. Very scary reading the links between the patriot act and the Enabling Act in Germany.

Take that point a little bit further. Lets not forget the SKULL AND BONES- Hitler was shaped by this organization and so were 3 generations of Bush's.
The link cannot be ignored, especially after reading those similarities. Check it out yourself. A 1933 Bones document in Germany refers to the birth of a Yale Chapter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_bones

Perhaps our country is in more danger than we know. How about concentration camps in our country already built and fully funded but empty. Check it out yourself. Then google US concentration camps and see what comes up.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

But how could they get the power for that. Read up on FEMA a little more. Lets say they do something similar to the Fire in Germany in 1933 that got Hitler his power, but instead it was, OHHHH, lets say a nuke in one of our cities. What happens? FEMA comes in and well check it out yourself.

http://www.911review.org...heSecretGovernment.shtml

I guess we would all meet in concentration camps. Anyone think the Republicans would stand up for our rights. Nope I think it would be more like, let the liberals die.

Charlie- New Orleans

In the catagory of should be investigated, you can also include the over 400 ENVIRONMENTAL standards and or laws that have been rolled back or completey reversed under the watch of the Bushit Administration.

Here is the nominee for Supreme Court

http://www.independentju.../nominee.cfm?NomineeID=5

John Roberts
Nominated to: Court of Appeals, District of Columbia Circuit

Status of nomination: Confirmed 5/8/2003
May 8, 2003: The Committee voted out Roberts 16-3.

Alliance for Justice Resources:

Alliance for Justice to Senators Hatch and Leahy Re: Deborah Cook and John Roberts
Alliance For Justice Full Report on John Roberts

Born 1955, Buffalo, NY
B.A., 1976, summa cum laude & J.D., 1979, magna cum laude, Harvard University
1979-80, Clerk for Judge Friendly, Second Circuit
1980-81, Clerk, Associate Justice Rehnquist, Supreme Court
U.S. Department of Justice
1981-81, Special Assistant to U.S. Attorney General William French Smith
1989-93, Principal Deputy Solicitor General
1982-86, White House Counsel's Office, Associate Counsel to the President
Hogan & Hartson, LLP, Washington, DC
1986-89, Associate
1993-present, Partner
General Background. Mr. Roberts, a partner at the D.C. law firm Hogan & Hartson, has long-standing and deep connections to the Republican Party. He is a member of the Republican National Lawyers Association and worked as a political appointee in both the Reagan and Bush I administrations. President George H.W. Bush nominated Mr. Roberts to the D.C. Circuit, but he was considered by some on the Senate Judiciary Committee to be too extreme in his views, and his nomination lapsed. He was nominated by President George W. Bush to the same seat in May 2001.

Reproductive Rights. s a Deputy Solicitor General, Mr. Roberts co-wrote a Supreme Court brief in Rust v. Sullivan,1 for the first Bush administration, which argued that the government could prohibit doctors in federally-funded family planning programs from discussing abortions with their patients. The brief not only argued that the regulations were constitutional, notwithstanding the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, but it also made the broader argument that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided - an argument unnecessary to defend the regulation. The Supreme Court sided with the government on the narrower grounds that the regulation was constitutional.

Environmental Issues. As a student, Mr. Roberts wrote two law review articles arguing for an expansive reading of the Contracts and Takings clauses of the Constitution, taking positions that would restrict Congress' ability to protect the environment. As a member of the Solicitor General's office, Mr. Roberts was the lead counsel for the United States in the Supreme Court case Lujan v. National Wildlife Federation, in which the government argued that private citizens could not sue the federal government for violations of environmental regulations.

As a lawyer in private practice, Mr. Roberts has also represented large corporate interests opposing environmental controls. He submitted an amicus brief on behalf of the National Mining Association in the recent case Bragg v. West Virginia Coal Association. 3 In this case, a three-judge panel of the Fourth Circuit reversed a district court ruling that had stopped the practice of "mountaintop removal" in the state of West Virginia. Citizens of West Virginia who were adversely affected by the practice had sued the state, claiming damage to both their homes and the surrounding area generally. Three Republican appointees - Judges Niemeyer, Luttig, and Williams - held that West Virginia's issuance of permits to mining companies to extract coal by blasting the tops off of mountains and depositing the debris in nearby valleys and streams did not violate the 1977 Federal Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act.4 This decision was greeted with great dismay by environmental groups. In another case, Roberts represented one of several intervenors in a case challenging the EPAÂ’s promulgation of rules to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions.5

Civil Rights. After a Supreme Court decision effectively nullified certain sections of the Voting Rights Act, Roberts was involved in the Reagan administration's effort to prevent Congress from overturning the Supreme Court's action.6 The Supreme Court had recently decided that certain sections of the Voting Rights Act could only be violated by intentional discrimination and not by laws that had a discriminatory effect, despite a lack of textual basis for this interpretation in the statute. Roberts was part of the effort to legitimize that decision and to stop Congress from overturning it.

Religion in Schools. While working with the Solicitor General's office, Mr. Roberts co-wrote an amicus brief on behalf of the Bush administration, in which he argued that public high schools can include religious ceremonies in their graduation programs, a view the Supreme Court rejected.7

Pro Bono. Mr. Roberts has engaged in significant pro bono work while at Hogan and Hartson, including representation of indigent clients and criminal defendants.

Other Information. Mr. Roberts is a member of two prominent, right-wing legal groups that promote a pro-corporate, anti-regulatory agenda: the Federalist Society and the National Legal Center For The Public Interest, serving on the latter group's Legal Advisory Council.

Mr. Roberts lists his net worth as over $3.7 million.

1 500 U.S. 173 (1991).
2 497 U.S. 871 (1990).
3 248 F.3d 275 (4th Cir. 2001).
4 30 U.S.C. §1201.
5 State of Michigan v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 254 F.3d 1087 (Fed. Cir. 2001).
6 See City of Mobile v. Bolden 446 U.S. 55 (1980).
7 Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. 577 (1992).

The following organizations have taken an official position on this nominee:

Organization Position
Alliance for Justice Opposes

Pebble #14
There is a 'scientific study'
at: http://www.physics911.net

They feel strongly that the towers were brought down by demolition ---if you get this, perhaps your structural engineering info would help.

#14
Bush won't be impeached until he does something that even his own party can't forgive.
And they've been very forgiving so far. :hehe:

Satire

Subj: Bush's personal nighmare turns into a scandal

In an effort to distract attention from the Rove Scandal and protect his life long friend, the President has announced his intention to resign. [More . . . ]

It's important not to forget the administration's altering of scientific reports that impact public health and the environment.
Or,
The use of government (read: taxpayer) sponsored propoganda, costumed as legitimate news, to promote administration policy.
Or,
The ethical lapses at the N.I.H. involving studies determining the safety of drugs. Drugs that were later pulled from the market, after Americans died from taking them.

#67 Cole, thanks for that very interesting link, http://www.physics911.net . I found some new (to me) info there, especially various articles about the problem of using cell phones from aircraft--- which call into question the veracity of all of the cell phone conversations from Flight 77 or 73 or 93 (?) that crashed in PA. Anyway, it's the same flight that Big Dan has a link to in #60, story being that eye witnesses saw a military aircraft close to the plane that crashed (was shot down?).

Your post asks about the collapse of the towers, but the other info on the link about cell phone conversations (several articles) is something any ordinary person who has ever used a cell phone can understand-- cell phones are really very unreliable, and the idea that so many "passenger conversations" were conducted via cell phone from the doomed flight seems nary impossible. You don't need to be a structural engineer to analyze that data!!!

Robert #70 I agree completely with points 1 and 2 of your post, and these are issues that I wish more people would pay attention to (see #12). However, as a scientist having some familiarity with N.I.H. etc., I don't think (for better or worse) we can blame the Bush Admin. for point 3, ethical lapses re: drug testing. The problems at NIH (and I'm glad they're being exposed) have a timeline of their own, not related to the Bush Admin., except that they also involve folks driven by greed and ego. Most scientists are dedicated and ethical, but, as in any profession, there are some who lie, cheat and steal, and make life difficult for the rest.

Non of the above
The sheeple of the US do not have the get-up and go to do anything about it its only entertainment.

Of course we could hope that a blinding light will strike everyone in 2006 and vote enough reps to take control of the Congress you could then hold them to account and bring Impeachment proceedings against them as the first order of sitting. Until that happens, its only entertainment?

#72
Re the appointment of William Timkin as ambassabor to Germany.....
Thank you for pointing out the following, Jim:

"...Note to Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: This will be the first time you will be able to get someone so involved with Diebold and the 2004 election under oath during his confirmation hearings. This is something John Conyers would've dearly loved to do over on the House Judiciary Committee --- but official hearings were blocked by the GOP. Senators Biden, Dodd, Feingold, etc.: don't blow this golden opportunity..."

I just thought that was worth repeating, and let's let Senate Dems know we are watching & listening during his confirmation hearings (which are when??)

The sad thing they may just get away with this. When Ken Mehlman can go on Meet the Press and just flat out assert that Matt Cooper's statements EXONERATE Rove, you have to question whether reality means anything anymore.

related rude commentary: http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com

Press Freedom Hearing now on C-Span3.

It's important that Democrats on the Foreign Relations Comittee know about Timken and his connection to Diebold. But it's also important that Germans know who is being nominated as our ambassador to them.

A higher percentage of Germans than Americans knows that the 2004 election was rigged (because the European press aren't part of the coverup). My hunch is that an Ohio businessman with links to Diebold and Wally O'Dell will go over in Germany like a lead balloon. Spread the word overseas!

Truth4Change,

They will not get away with anything. It doesn't matter worth a **damn** what little Tim Russert or Mehlman says, remember....

It matters what the legal courts decide. And they're really tired of Rove's bullshit..... (as they are tired of alot of other things...)

Downing Street is coming home to roost, boys and girls.

Doug E.

I did hear something interesting on the Al Franken show yesterday on Air America. He was talking with Lawrence O'Donnell (and I can't remember who he is) about the judges on the Judith Miller/Matthew Cooper case & how it is significant that all three judges (if I remember correctly), in their writings about the case, used the phrase "the smear campaign against Wilson". They made the point that (and apparently the judges see it this way, too) the case is not about protecting a source who is a whistleblower, but a source who tried to smear a whistleblower.

I think all of these awesome scandals will be the end of this horrid party (the few greedy). They’re all on built on LIES, corruption, and Treason…I smell IMPEACHMENT! “We shall over come”.

Who would Jesus bomb?

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" Mahatma Gandhi"

We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools. MLK, Jr.

Hatred paralyzes life; Love releases it.
Hatred confuses life; Love harmonizes it.
Hatred darkens life; Love illuminates it.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."Mahatma Gandhi

God Bless America, and those who reside in her Heart! bkh

Faith is not something to grasp, it is a state to grow into.
Mahatma Gandhi

Be good to yourself, and your world around you will be good to you! bkh

Create Love, Know Peace, Understand Happiness! bkh

"....all things share the same breath....the beast, the tree, the man .... the air shares it's spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Dwamish
"The deepest parts of Hell is reserved for those who remain silence" MLK

God is Watching bkh

btw, I've tried twice now to post a comment on the Republicans Against National Security thread & neither has come up, though the first attempt was hours ago.
dunno......

that's too many quotes for me, Brian. the quote-folder in my brainbox is wimpering. and who's bkh?

Alison wrote
> I'm getting impatient waiting for karma to kick in.

There is no such thing as karma. Hebrews 9:27 - born once, die once, then meet God for judgement. No karma, no reincarnation. Sorry Alison!

Brian, what are you smoking?

Bush has not lied - there is no treason - that is no failing House of Bush - it is all just wishful thinking and conspiracy theories by the left kook fringe.

When are you guys (LKF) going to get over it? You lost in 2000 and in 2002 and in 2004, not to mention you have lost since 1994.

Paul,

I'm afraid that bullshit defense isn't working anymore....

http://afterdowningstreet.org

They completely lied to congress, and manufactured evidence to go to war.

Everyone is fed up with their bullshit conspiracy.

The press now smells blood and will jump at any chance it chooses.

There is clear direct evidence that the Niger documents were forged, and the coverup reached the White House.

They said the same things you did when the Nixon Administration made the republicans implode. Your party is on the path to self explosion, and no bitter sweet "talking points" will change the truth.

The DSM is home to roost for good.

Doug E.

Blair has never backed down about Niger. Bush said that the "Brits have learned..." in his speech. No lies there.

Our party is fine. We will have more Republicans in the house and senate come 2006.

By the way, http://afterdowningstreet.org
is just another leftist online rag.

Wait, let me record your words for posterity reasons!!!

" **By the way, http://afterdowningstreet.org
is just another leftist online rag** "

LOL! This is too much. If its just another "leftist, useless online rag" why did Tony Blair admit to the downing street minutes that they fixed the facts for war?

Why did the liars in charge use the forged documents, and false intel of CURVEBALL long after it was discredited, and why did they **lie** in order to go war?

You are too smug and crazy with your assertions, its not fooling anyone. Downing Street has revealed the truth and your entire party and its arrogant watchers are in trouble.

Doug E.

Thanks for the bible verse Paul. Here are a few that you and your war-mongering chicken-hawk leaders may not be familiar with.

Matt. 5.9. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.

Jas. 3.18. The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace for them that make peace.

Rom. 10.15. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace.

Thanks Alison. Now hopefully you won't bring up "Karma" again.

It would be nice to live in a world of peace but that will never happen until Jesus Christ returns. And, eventually the earth will be destroyed by fire and it won't be because of Global Warming. God is in control! That gives me total peace.

Write your senators, Boyz & giRlz, and urge them to rake this slimeball over the coals. Courtesy of Wayne Madsen:

July 19, 2005 --- President Bush has nominated William Robert Timken, Jr. to be the next U.S. ambassador to Germany. Timken, the head of Canton, Ohio-based Timken Co. and one of the Bush campaign's deep pocketed "Pioneer" half million dollar contributors, also served on the board of directors of Ohio-based Diebold, Inc., the company accused of helping to fix the 2004 presidential elections through the use of faulty and paperless computerized voting machines. Timken conveniently resigned from the board of Diebold on July 5, 2005, just a few weeks prior to Bush nominating him as ambassador to Germany. Note to Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: This will be the first time you will be able to get someone so involved with Diebold and the 2004 election under oath during his confirmation hearings. This is something John Conyers would've dearly loved to do over on the House Judiciary Committee --- but official hearings were blocked by the GOP. Senators Biden, Dodd, Feingold, etc.: don't blow this golden opportunity to grill Timken on what he knows about Diebold chairman Walden O'Dell, his comment that he would "do whatever he could" to put Ohio in Bush's column, and pre-programmed Diebold "election engineering." The GOP will argue it has nothing to do with Timken's qualifications to be an ambassador --- but being involved in a crooked election says everything about Timken's integrity.

Allison,

Got any passages about the willfully ignorant?

One of the things that caught my eye after reading John the other week was his words about finding the truth and finding your way to the light..

some people today would just rather live in darkness and be completely ignorant.. that just doesn't sound right to me.

Paul is obviously contempt in writing off everything out there as leftist crazy talk just so he can be willfully ignorant to anything and everything.. its just plain sad.

what about Pat Tillman!

After their devastating defeat in WWII, the German people made Nazism illegal: the National Socialist party, its symbols, its rhetoric, its bizarre ideas.

After America's coming catastrophic collapse, the American people may similarly make Christianity illegal: the Church, its symbols, its rhetoric, its bizarre ideas.

Paul, you think it can't happen. But when people realize what Christian Fundamentalists have let happen to America, they will be horrified. Paul, you have no idea what the "Christian" leaders you idolize and defend have done behind the scenes while publicly mouthing slogans about "faith" and "morals." If you had any idea, you'd fall on your knees and beg God to forgive you for your wilful blindness.

You are gloating now. Such pride is the chief sin, according to your Bible. If that's true, you are a worse sinner than anyone on this post.

For Doug: You're right that the defenses of Bush today from trolls and Republican sycophants on Capitol Hill sound identical to those for Nixon a few months before the fit hit the shan.

They have a majority in both houses. That means it's going to take longer to get Bush out (no Sam Ervin around). But now that the press has caught on, that 45% approval rate should fall faster. Look for under 40% within a couple of months.

It would help if people don't get distracted by the Supreme Court nominee, and waste time and energy arguing abortion rights for the umpteenth time. It's a pittance compared to the need to expose every outrage by the White House and get rid of these creeps who are stealing democracy.

Paul-

I am astonished that you seem to acknowledge that global warming is real....if thats the case how did you feel when you heard that a report on global warming was edited by an oil lobyist in the white house.

Yet another example of "facts being fixed around policy".

And what would happen if Jesus christ returned. Would republicans accept that he would disagree with almost everything they stand for? Jesus was a liberal, persecuted by conservatives.

I am an athiest, and think religion is a joke. It only serves to justify the perverted mentality of republicans and terrorist alike. When will people learn.

Charlie- New Orleans

Here's another crime: keeping US citizens out of tax funded public meetings around the country, where the white house resident preaches to his sheep. That is a violation of our guarantee of free speech. Uphold the constitution is a sworn duty of the job.

Re #33 and $43, "The Italian Connection:
Probably this has been suggested many times, but I've missed it: U.S.Ambassador to Italy, Mel Sembler, big Bush supporter, founder of the "Straight. Inc." Drug Treatment empire (see:The Sembler Report
This report deals with the connections of Melvin and Betty Sembler to
Straight Inc, Straight Foundation, and Drug Free America Foundation
Report Prepared By:
International Survivors) . Sembler, appointed by Bush, in place in Rome when the Italian intellegence agency was "broken into" and then when the fake Niger nuke docs surfaced, was accused by losing congressional candidate Jeff Fisher of Florida as having been involved in schemes to fix the 2004 Florida Presidential election.

What about this "Italian Connection"? The sloppy job of providing fake supporting docs would have been "facile!" for Mel.

DZ, I agree with you that willful ignorance is sad, but that is their choice. As for your request on passages about willful ignorance, I found a great quote from MLK:

"The soft-minded man always fears change. He feels security in the status quo, and he has an almost morbid fear of the new. For him, the greatest pain is the pain of a new idea." Martin Luther King Jr.

I'm going to my first political gathering/rally ever. Going to a Downing Street Memo party this saturday the 23rd. I hope others are doing the same.

> you have no idea what the "Christian" leaders you idolize and defend

Which leaders are you talking about? Give me some names. I didn't mention any. Are you assuming something?

> I am astonished that you seem to acknowledge that global warming is real

I never said it is real. You cannot read! Are you assuming?

> Would republicans accept that he [Jesus] would disagree with almost everything they stand for? Jesus was a liberal, persecuted by conservatives.

Jesus came to seek and save, not to judge. God will judge all in the end based on their relationship with Jesus Christ. But, I would think that Jesus is Pro-Life since he created life.

> Jesus was a liberal, persecuted by conservatives.

Jesus was God and he healed people, fed people, and then taught them about the soul and the way of salvation. That has nothing to do with government sponsored healthcare. There is no constituional right for healthcare, food, shelter, a job, etc. Much of the Bible was about working - taking care of your family, and taking care of others. That again, has nothing to go with a government. Jesus was persecuted by all of us.

> Paul is obviously contempt in writing off everything out there as leftist crazy talk

Almost all of it is conspiracy theories and yes, not leftist crazy talk, but more like left kook fringe.

"I'm a source, not a target"
Rove photo of the day courtesy of Crooks & Liars

http://www.crooksandliar...20/rovenovakPicture.html

Don't ya love it?

Paul you are a total hoot!

The only fringe here is you, and the radical religous right.

Everyone else woke up long ago paul, read the polls above and get your senses knocked into you.

Over 80% of america disagrees with them on everything, not even including abortion. They ESPECIALLY hate the fact they have compromised CIA intelligence experts who track WMD. George H. W. Bush called those who do this the most "insidious of traitors"

And even without any majorities in the houses, the democrats and some republicans are EXPOSING this corruption right here in plain view.

http://rawstory.com/news...ings_on_outed__0720.html

Hearings on the hill in the Senate, covering all abuses of the DSM and destruction of CIA organizations will be hitting full steam this next weeks.

Difference is, this time the media and press will be all over it. The "battles over scotus" will not even be a blip until the confirmation hearings come up.

That means a full on court press for the truth is coming, **accountability** is coming and everyone is really mad.....

This is also because the radical religious zealot Richard Nixon has been put back into office as George Bush and reselected now to complete the PNAC plan.

God schmod, they are out to make money worldwide and throw all the religious zealots off a cliff. Corporate fascism worldwide: Read the PNAC plan before you're used up and spit out as cannon fodder.

Doug E.

Paul???

See your #85: "Our party is fine. We will have more Republicans in the house and senate come 2006."

THOSE LEADERS!

Liberals are always in dreamland when it comes to poll numbers. Thats why get so Shocked everytime there is an election, its the only time the realize they are in the minority.

Thanks Billobee.

> read the polls above

Polls mean nothing!

Polls do mean nothing. When you own the voting machines and will do and say anything to keep them from becoming accountable, recountable, verifiable and transparent.

If you have nothing to hide, there is no reason to be afraid of any of the above. Or to keep any and all bills which call for the above from coming to the floor of Congress.

> Over 80% of america disagrees with them on everything, not even including abortion

74% believe abortion is murder

But to keep it legal. it is closer to 50-50.

> Polls do mean nothing. When you own the voting machines and will do and say anything to keep them from becoming accountable, recountable, verifiable and transparent.

There is nothing to hide.

Ahhh wrong again Paul!

There's everything to hide:

http://www.countthevote....rg/cynthia_2005/list.htm

No need to distract from the truth Paul, states who are running this know what the scam is all the way around.

63% or higher agree with Roe V Wade, and do not want to see it overturned.

Yes, you see Paul its easy to make your own reality....When **you don't even have to live in it**

Isn't it though? What's your exscuse now, let me guess the Bible said so? Three strikes, no homeruns.

Doug E.

Paul you rule! Why don't you send a copy of your supportive posts to George Dubbya? He would probably give you his personal vote of confidence (Diebold not required) and award you with a special position in Iraq. I think only the Iraqis people can properly show an appreciation for a man of your principles and ideals.

> 63% or higher agree with Roe V Wade, and do not want to see it overturned.

and where is that from?

That's from Pew Research buddy!!!!

Doug E.

By the way Paul,

For you and the Righties this hasn't changed and the number opposed has increased.

http://66.102.7.104/sear...urn+roe+v+wade&hl=en
"Recent US Gallup poll shows 68% do NOT want a justice that will try to overturn
Roe v. Wade"

Just indicating the obvious: With your "rigged" voting machines in several states, overturning Roe V Wade would be the last straw.

Doug E.

That is one poll out of tons of polls and tons of questions worded differently. Polls are worthless anyway buddy!

> "As you may know, President Bush and the U.S. Congress recently approved a new law that prohibits a procedure commonly known as a 'partial-birth abortion.' Do you favor or oppose this new law?"

Favor Oppose Unsure
47 40 13

> “Do you believe that human life begins at conception, or once the baby may be able to survive outside the mother's womb with medical assistance, or when the baby is actually born?”

At conception 55
Survive outside womb 23
At birth 13
Not sure 9

> Do you think the late-term abortion procedure known as dilation and extraction, or partial-birth abortion, should be legal or illegal?"

Legal Illegal Depends No Opinion
20 62 12 5

And by the way, polls or no polls, you are terminating a baby woman's right or a baby African-American's right to life. You are murdering a potential homosexual. The puprose of abortion is to rid the world of undesirables. Glad you made it out alive.

the Bu$h/Cheney/Rove USA...
Sick Government Stolen Gangsters...
Killers... And Buds Lie In the Shit...
Jolly
Meanwhile on the far side of Turd Blossom Street...
Creative people are Given hidden tools...
Out of the Earth to pry lose truths from the Gods...
To slay the lie-fire smoking muck...
Foaming from the death dragons forked tongue...

Singing their Happy Motto...

They are already Dead a long time ago

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I emailed votescam.com twiec and they never answered my questions. They claim Bush stolre the election in 2000. Now look at my questions:

If the Votescam book came out in 1992, does that mean that Clinton stole the elections of 1992 and 1996? - Paul

I think you should read the book (the investation began in 1970) and consider the vast amount of evidence of computer vote fraud the book details, and then you should reach your own conclusion.

votescam editor
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So, are you trying to sell books or did Clinton steal both elections? - Paul

Dear Paul,

yes, we are selling books in order to educate the public about the vulnerability of computer elections. The downside of this is that it involves some thinking on the part of the reader. Please don't let this dismay you from reading the book and coming to a very educated conclusion.

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I guess they don't think Clinton stole the election. Perhaps because he was a Democrat. Perhaps he is not one of the powerful. Perhaps he was not a member of the Bilderberger's which gave us the EU. Perhaps Clinton didn't push and sign NAFTA. Perhpas Clinton does not want to be head of the UN.

Ack! Why do you bother talking to this guy? He's a loon.

Apologies, this is kind of off-topic---though it certainly fits into the 'scandal' category---but once again the Daily Show gives us news not found elsewhere:

Jon had Robert Kennedy Jr. on tonight, discussing the link between a certain preservative additive containing mercury & used in certain vaccines, to increased instances of autism in children, and the pharmaceutical industry's cover-up of their long-standing knowledge of it.
A report about it was supposed to air on NBC, was cancelled at the last minute, then, after NBC was swamped with emails, was rescheduled. But it was also recut to make it, in Kennedy's words "virtually an advertisement for the pharmaceutical companies".
Nice.
Hmmmm. what would Jesus do??

Well, this has been an entertaining thread.

But I have to agree, the PNAC fascists have been using the religious right all along.

As for Jesus returning and all that... sigh. Look, people can and should believe whatever they want, but deliberately accelerating the world's destruction is something else entirely. People have been waiting for Jesus to come back for 2,000 years. Heck, the first millennium--everyone thought that signaled Christ's return. The black plague, same thing. Then the SECOND millennium. And on and on. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Because he CAN'T return. Because it's all just a silly fairy tale.

As an ex-Catholic, this never made any sense to me: we were taught Christ died for our sins to reopen the gates of heaven. Huh? Wait, so God, being a petulant child having a tantrum, punshed all of humanity for thousands of years by shutting the gates of heaven because Adam and Eve exercised *the very freewill he gave them*??? God would have to be an idiot. Couldn't he have predicted this exact thing would happen and then have programmed that proclivity out of Adam and Eve's thought processes? And why would he have to kill his own son to reopen the gates, when he could just wish it to be so? Where's the logic in this? All God would have to do is wish every human's brain to think exactly the way he wants it to, and that would be that. Oh, and not to mention the existence of dinosaurs disproves the Adam and Eve story, upon which the entire Christ-dies-for-our-sins thing is based. The whole thing is just ludicrous.

So you Jesus freaks, you keep right on waiting for Him to return. Me, I'll try to save what's left of our friggin' world, thank you very much.

End rant.

" **which they seem incapable of doing** "

Ken, that must be why the democratic party is holding hearings on DSM-Traitorgate all this week!!!

You're real rich, I wonder about that type pessimistic talk! Hah

Paul & Jimmo,

You are like watching two children going around in circles about things that are irrelevant.

Lets talk about the counting of the votes.

You claim, **Oh but there was no conspiracy no stolen votes** without any evidence or facts whatsoever. There was a conspiracy, that went into action days before the election too.

http://www.democrats.org...05/07/scandal-ridden.php

Surprise surprise!! It happened in Ohio, Florida and some other states. Bush donors who raised money illegally also worked on the BOE and encountered the most **errors and run fraud** of the election.

So wait, could it be an impossible thing and the exit polls are off?
http://www.expertclick.c...eleaseDetail&ID=9474

Nope because the exit poll interviews for Kerry decrease and go **down** , instead of up if the over-sampling theory was correct which it isn't.

But where were your votes on election day, why was it so easy to steal?

Well its this simple: **all of the strange irregular vote counts have happened on straight tickets**

http://www.cybersapian.com

Senators, unheard of judges and other residents counted as votes but president did not or defaulted somehow over to Bush.

Now, let's go by the exit polls. 60% turned out claiming on their exit poll slips, they had voted for Kerry.

Their actual vote though did not reflect the affidavits. Instead, their actual vote showed up as an undervote or overvote in basically more than 100 counties across the country.
http://www.votersunite.o...content/newmessup-17.asp

http://www.votersunite.o...content/newmessup-01.asp

Straight-democratic tickets were "accidentally" not programmed to count, what an error! On top of that nearly all of them defaulted to Bush or nothing, because some Clint Curtis type patches were used and the count was inaccurate.

So where did thousands of these straight-ticket votes go to and how'd they get there?

Easy: They were manipulated by BOE members to be transferred into the Bush column and the rest showed up as errors which never counted at all.
https://voteprotect.org/...ched&go=Apply+filter

Stolen election finished. All they had to do was filter out straight-ticket votes, and switch a few over to the king!

There goes all your exscuses, sorry to say.

Doug E.

Some of y'all are wrestling with pigs again - you're getting dirty, and the pigs are enjoying it!

Like two year olds who get attention by having a tantrum, we only give them more power when we react to their rants. We have no need to prove them wrong, just give them more rope. If we weren't a threat to their beliefs, they'd not be here.

Remember, their goal is distraction, not enlightenment - please don't feed the trolls.

BTW, I'd like to remind everyone to continue to do your part in Winter Patriot's "Whispering Campaign" - the information is there, we just have to get it "out there".

Brad, is there any way to put the link for the Whispering Campaign as a permanent sidebar?

> Because he CAN'T return. Because it's all just a silly fairy tale.

2 Pet.3:3-4:

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

''Where is the God of justice?'' the mockers will ask. ''Where is the coming one? Where is the Sovereign Lord who is committed to righteousness? It is all a sham." But, Peter says,

Do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
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But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
- 2 Peter 3:10

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert ! You do not know when that time will come.
- Mark 13:32,33

"Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near. Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!" (James 5:7-9)

"When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains." (Mark 13:7-8 cf. Matt. 24:15-22; Luke 21:20-24)

"Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now - and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them." (Mark 13:18-20)

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." (John 3:18)

Acts 1:11-THIS SAME JESUS...SHALL SO COME
Acts 3:20-HE SHALL SEND JESUS CHRIST
Acts 15:16-I WILL RETURN
1 Chr 16:33-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
1 Cor 1:7-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
1 Cor 4:5-THE LORD COME
1 Cor 11:26-TILL HE COME
1 Cor 13:10,12-THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME...THEN FACE TO FACE
Col 3:4-CHRIST...SHALL APPEAR
Dan 7:9-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS DID SIT
Dan 7:22-THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME
Dan 9:24-TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
Deut 33:2-THE LORD CAME...HE CAME (Perhaps dual meaning)
Ezek 21:27-UNTIL HE COME
Ezek 43:2-THE GOD OF ISRAEL CAME
Ezek 44:2-THE LORD...HATH ENTERED IN
Ezek 44:3-THE PRINCE, HE SHALL SIT IN IT
Gen 49:10-UNTIL SHILOH COME
Hab 3:3-GOD CAME...HIS GLORY COVERED THE HEAVENS
Hag 2:7-THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS SHALL COME
Hos 6:3-HE SHALL COME
Hos 10:12-HE COME
Isa 31:4-THE LORD OF HOSTS COME
Isa 34:5-SHALL COME
Isa 35:4-YOUR GOD WILL COME
Isa 40:10-THE LORD GOD WILL COME
Isa 59:20-THE REDEEMER SHALL COME
Isa 62:11-THY SALVATION COMETH
Isa 66:5-HE SHALL APPEAR
Isa 66:15-THE LORD WILL COME
Ja 5:8-THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH
Job 19:25-MY REDEEMER...SHALL STAND AT THE LATTER DAY UPON THE EARTH
Jn 21:22-I COME
1 Jn 2:28-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR
1 Jn 3:2-WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR…WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS
Jude 14-THE LORD COMETH
Lk 9:26-HE SHALL COME
Lk 21:27-THE SON OF MAN COMING
Mal 3:2-THE DAY OF HIS COMING...HE APPEARETH
Mal 3:18-THEN SHALL YE RETURN
Mk 13:26-THEY SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
Mt 10:23-THE SON OF MAN BE COME
Mt 16:27-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
Mt 16:28-THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
Mt 24:27-SO SHALL...THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE
Mt 24:30-THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING
Mt 25:19-THE LORD...COMETH
Mt 25:31-THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME
Mt 26:64-HEREAFTER…YE SEE THE SON OF MAN...COMING
Mic 5:2-SHALL HE COME FORTH...THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL
Num 24:17-THERE SHALL COME A STAR
Num 24:19-SHALL COME HE
1 Pe 1:7-THE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST
2 Pe 1:16-THE...COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
Ps 24:7-THE KING OF GLORY SHALL COME
Ps 50:3-OUR GOD SHALL COME
Ps 72:6-HE SHALL COME
Ps 96:13-HE COMETH TO JUDGE
Ps 97:4-HIS LIGHTNINGS ENLIGHTENED THE WORLD
Ps 97:5-THE HILLS MELTED LIKE WAX AT THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD
Ps 97:6-ALL THE PEOPLE SEE HIS GLORY
Ps 102:16-THE LORD...HE SHALL APPEAR
Rev 1:7-HE COMETH
Rev 1:8-THE LORD...WHICH IS TO COME
Rev 2:25-I COME
Rev 16:15-I COME
Rev 19:11,15-HE...SAT UPON (a white horse)...HE SHALL RULE...HE TREADETH THE WINE PRESS
Rev 22:7-I COME QUICKLY
Rev 22:20-I COME QUICKLY
Ro 11:26-THERE SHALL COME...THE DELIVERER
1 Thes 3:13-THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
2 Thes 1:7-THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN
2 Thes 1:10-HE SHALL COME
2 Thes 2:8-THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
1 Tim 6:14-THE APPEARING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
2 Tim 4:1-THE LORD JESUS CHRIST...AT HIS APPEARING
Zech 2:10-SING AND REJOICE...I COME
Zech 3:8-I WILL BRING FORTH MY SERVANT THE BRANCH
Zech 6:12-THE BRANCH...HE SHALL BUILD
Zech 8:3-I AM RETURNED
Zech 9:10-HIS DOMINION SHALL BE
Zech 12:10-THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED
Zech 14:3-THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH
Zech 14:4-HIS FEET SHALL STAND...UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
Zech 14:5-THE LORD...SHALL COME

Whoa. Jethro done got hisself riled up.

Right, Kestrel. The more trolls we see, and the more strident their postings, the better we're doing.

I got a message from Joe somebody or other this morning. It was sent at 4 a.m., so I guess his tranquilizers failed. He said he'd seen my postings on bradblog, but didn't say how he got my e-mail address which has never appeared here. There must be a network of spies somewhere that collate blog postings with e-mail messages sent elsewhere.

Joe's ranting and raving sounded like Jimmo's. Five topics covered in one run-on sentence, hysterical exaggerations and half-truths, everything couched in Democrat/Republican terms instead of morality.
Like all trolls, Joe is feeling the heat from the spreading scandals and Bush's declining numbers. We're winning, and the trolls are desperate.

Yes Kestrel,

How sad to see that fear is their only weapon they have. It's failing worse and worse every day, claiming that god speaks for them and the creator is coming.

Oh boy! After the rapture, can I have your car?

Besides all of this, they continue to be amusing. And we know how to counter their propaganda and show them that no, the real god doesn't speak for them. Nor for any of the world doing irresponsible and evil things for money.

Doug E.

Yes, I agree, Robert, desperate indeed. They're spending so much time with us! Or hey, maybe they just enjoy our company. We ARE, after all, rather fascinating, and I imagine after a while it must wear on the psyche to constantly associate with the black-hearted & morally-bankrupt.

Joan, we should call these trolls the "coalition of the willing," to borrow a Bush administration term.

What a group they are! Semi-literates like their role model, Bush...religious fanatics who can't reconcile their support for his brutal invasion of Iraq with Christ's message of peace and love, but persist anyway...people who show their respect for Bush's "culture of life" by supporting the death penalty and pretending that unilateral invasions of sovereign countries are liberating...ignorami who are shown mathematical proof of election fraud and call it partisanship...fools who pretend that outing a C.I.A. operative isn't an issue because "liberals" first raised it.

At the risk of sounding condescending, I can't imagine how anyone with a real brain would want to embarrass himself in this way. Maybe that's the whole point.

> How sad to see that fear is their only weapon they have. It's failing worse and worse every day, claiming that god speaks for them and the creator is coming.

one more time for you mockers -

2 Pet.3:3-4:

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

''Where is the God of justice?'' the mockers will ask. ''Where is the coming one? Where is the Sovereign Lord who is committed to righteousness? It is all a sham." But, Peter says,

Do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

Brad and friends--

I don't think that any scandal is going to bring down this regime. Sure, there scandals show how corrupt they are, but that doesn't really matter. they are on a mission and they are very powerful, and not only that they are whipping up a base of millions of rabid fundamentalist-types to whom facts nor results really matter, only God and patriotism.

The movement to stop them has to come from us. The Democrats are not going to save us, and the media aren't looking like they're going to grow a spine anytime soon.

Check out this Call at the website http://worldcantwait.org. This is what we need--a grasroots movement that is determined to do what is needed.

To Paul,
I hope you don't think that you are St. Paul. He was a real mystic and understood what "heaven and earth coming together" really means as well as the rising of the fire. This describes not only the amazing process of the earth's evolution through fire, air, earth and water (remember that thousand years as one day bit?) but also the slow evolution of the human soul through incarnation after incarnation. And the refinement through the fire of remorse toward Illumination. Notice how many times Light is mentioned in the New Testament, Paul. This is not the "light of understanding" or some such intellectualizing but literal Light. Christ Light. Unless you have it inside of you you cannot understand the meaning of these scriptures.

Or as someone said recently in the Oregonian:
"What the last election has taught me, is that if you thump a Bible hard enough, you knock all the good stuff right out of it."

Mary 59 #129

"What the last election has taught me, is that if you thump a Bible hard enough, you knock all the good stuff right out of it."

Beautiful! So right on!

Oh boy, and we are the **conspiracy theorists** !!! Hahahaha, I really need a laugh out of that one. These lunatics are so out of it its hilarious.

Maybe they'll wake up realize they were led off a cliff and register democrat.

Doug E.

Perhaps pPaul would enjoy himself more here:
http://www.kingidentity.com/

> He was a real mystic

And you sound like a real New Ager.

> but also the slow evolution of the human soul through incarnation after incarnation

Incarnation, as in reincarnation?

Hebrews 9:27 - man lives once, dies once, and then meets God for judgement.

Don't forget the attempted gutting of Social Security and the ushering in of the NeoTheos.

no point in having religious arguments...there is no logic to it. Just like you can't train a dog by talking to it, you must rub their nose in the crap, or tie dead chickens to their collar...

I liek the concept of Jesus, and what he stands for, but it seems like most of the people that utilize his name are the most hateful ones, the ones that want to cast stones.

Would talking with Jesus be different than talking with Paul? I mean, would we have the same reaction to the stuff coming out of his mouth?

What I meant, to clarify, is that dogs don't understand logic, and religion doesn't understand logic because it is above logic (which is scary)...I didn't intend to compare paul to a dog. Sorry.

Not that I am not hopeful that one or all of them takes them all out to the nearest tree for a public neck stretching but I do not think it is going to happen. That would require the tradition press, not just the digital press, doing their job which they are not, Congress actually doing their job and representing the people which maybe they never have, and last but not least the Democratic Party developing a backbone and demanding the right thing be done which they seem incapable of doing.

Hahahaha! Thanks, Lag! Finally, a good suggestion in dealing with our troll: let's tie chickens to his collar.
Volunteers?

Thank you for that! He's definitely not St. Paul...how about "_ain't Paul?"

This _ain't Paul keeps bringing up religion and in a way he doesn't intend it does speak to the heart of what this thread is about...
in my view the scandal that really has already turned people away from Bush & Co is the Schiavo case. It's a scandal because of the way she was used, and the issues in it hit people right where they live so it made more of an impact on more people than all the previous ones. The Pharisees got up and pronounced all matter condemnations and judgments upon others who are agonizing over life & death decisions.

This also shows they are not really in Jesus' corner. They want to separate the sheep & the goats instead of letting the Almighty take care of it. They want to keep a soul from leaving the body and going into God's kingdom. They want to take control over life & death itself.

Usurping God's role is a violation of the First Commandment. They don't understand the scriptures they quote all the time, nor do they follow Jesus' commandments to love God with heart, mind & soul & love thy neighbor as thyself. They try to claim they are Christians but they are hurting Christianity and hurting the world.

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Thomas Jefferson wrote an interpretation of the Holy Bible that focused on Jesus' teachings. It considered Jesus in human form, separate from any Trinitarian role, as God's messenger of peace and love.

Today right-wing Christians interpret the Bible so as to conform it to the decidedly un-Christian actions of their role model, Bush, who demonizes people and uses death for political leverage.

Think I'll stick with Jefferson.

Robert, I know I'm late getting on this thread, & you may not ever see this comment --- however --- I'm a real fan of the "Jefferson Bible." Since people call themselves "Christians" it reall makes a whole lot of sense for them to follow Christ's words!! Eh?

Here's a link to The Jefferson Bible

Thanks for bringing this up.