READER COMMENTS ON
"D.C. Internet Vote Scheme Hacker: 'Within 36 Hours We Had Total Control of Server, Ability to Change Votes, Reveal Secret Ballots'"
(22 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Hankydub
said on 10/5/2010 @ 10:42 pm PT...
The corporate media has known for months exactly how this elecion will turn out. I'm voting absentee, which means my vote may count, but only if the results from the machines are close enough.
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Brad Friedman
said on 10/5/2010 @ 11:08 pm PT...
Um, how do you think those absentee votes get "counted", HankyDub? (Hint: Same hackable computer systems using concealed vote counting as used on all the other ballots.)
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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leftisbest
said on 10/6/2010 @ 1:51 am PT...
Brad,
Does this not so-clearly sound the death knell for e-voting and any credibility that "open source" may have held for somehow being a security blanket? Yes, yes I know what I say may yet be a dream, but if I'm an Election official and you show me this, I'll think twice on what my next election system will look like.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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nader paul kucinich gravel mckinney
said on 10/6/2010 @ 2:07 am PT...
Paper ballots with paper trail matched exit polls.
Electronic voting with no paper trail does not match exit polls.
It's annoying that we have to fight elections for our cause
The inconvenience of having to get a majority
If normal methods of persuasion fail to win us applause
There are other ways of establishing authority
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Marzi
said on 10/6/2010 @ 4:50 am PT...
Voting is now like the electronic crap shoot that is seen on electronic gambling machines. And we know who the winners are - the crooks.
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KatieB
said on 10/6/2010 @ 6:52 am PT...
So it was a SQL injection vulnerability?!! How amateur!
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Queen Victrola
said on 10/6/2010 @ 6:59 am PT...
Mr. Halderman may not yet be aware of this, but he is going to go into the pages of American history as a great hero of his time. Finally. Point made. Can we stop this absurdity and have complete transparency in our elections so our votes don't become cybertrash? Mr. Halderman and his bright students all get gold stars!!!!!!! and blue ones too!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Phyllis
said on 10/6/2010 @ 7:20 am PT...
The fools who keep complaining about people voting twice, dead people voting and all other improprieties in voting are so totally ignorant of the real problems with having our votes actually count.
Would be nice if the media actually did their job and reported on the hacking that can and most probably DOES take place when it comes to our votes the people would be up in arms.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention again. I've posted the latest info on our local newspapers forums area so more folks can get the info that I've been aware of for the last 4 years.
Thanks also for your work in investigating this flawed system!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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WJM52
said on 10/6/2010 @ 8:20 am PT...
Anyone who has worked with computers for any length of time knows that they can be manipulated to say anything you want, regardless of what is put into them. It's a very easy thing to have the paper trail say the real thing, but the numbers say another one entirely.It's a piece of cake, actually. To trust a computer to give the honest answer demands that the software be honest. If you can't look at it, you will NEVER know the reality.
ANY computer program can be cracked. It's part of the nature of programming, just like trying to keep people out of your house. If they REALLY want in, nothing you do will keep them out. Same thing with voting. The righties WANT to take over, and screw things up so badly that we will NEVER get back to a real country. They will do whatever they can to do so, and have been for 30 years. Too bad they can't just be honest and let people decide for themselves.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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karenfromillinois
said on 10/6/2010 @ 9:07 am PT...
racheal did an entire show last night from delaware trying to interview any1 from the odonnell campaign or any odonnell supporter from delaware...she couldn't find one
according to the machine results she had over 30 thousand votes cast in her favor....but whr or who are the people that supposedly cast those votes?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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karenfromillinois
said on 10/6/2010 @ 9:20 am PT...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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d
said on 10/6/2010 @ 9:32 am PT...
I hope Bernie Sanders will notice this report!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Atilla
said on 10/6/2010 @ 10:57 am PT...
In politics. if it can be crooked it is crooked. I have been sure for a year that the fix was in on this election by the way the MSM was reporting. This confirms my suspicions. Get ready for a Teabagger, Bible trash landslide.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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karenfromillinois
said on 10/6/2010 @ 11:04 am PT...
the following is a copy from blackboxvoting.org
bev says,
Shelby County has withheld crucial information, a pattern of discovery abuse.
ES&S services Shelby County, and had direct access to the voter list and GEMS database, but cannot be subpoenad because they are out of state (the Bonnie & Clyde method of evading the law). For example, it was ES&S that programmed the ghost race, and ES&S had their fingers in the voter database on Election Day. They pulled their expert from the lineup and are refusing to answer any questions.
Cameras were banned from the courtroom, at least on Monday, we'll see about today. That was not the case when I attended the courtroom session in August; at that time, anyone could video.
There is much information that will not be in the trial, but is crucial. For example: They knew of the electronic pollbook database problems a year ago. This is not a new problem. Shelby County's voter database was corrupted when ES&S, following the Diebold acquisition, strong-armed counties into switching to its voter database system. The merge of the databases did not work correctly, scrambling some of the voter records, including who had voted, party selection, etc.
As far back as Oct. 2009 there is a paper trail showing concerns so serious that a mediation was scheduled between Shelby County and ES&S over its voter database problem. I expect none of this to get into the trial, because there has been a coverup of the extent of the problem, the duration of the problem, and the extent to which ES&S directly accesses the data in Shelby County.
It will be interesting to see what does make it into the trial, and what direction it takes. I'm not able to watch the trial, and will need to stay off the Web site and will not follow public discussions or news of the trial until any potential testimony is completed. The puffery about me being denied expert witness status is overblown. I had never planned to be an expert witness at all, and was only told I'd be appearing in the trial 10 days ago. I was surprised they'd decided to submit Susan and I as experts, but certainly knew some sort of affidavits or testimony would be needed regarding what we had witnessed.
The truth is, most of the experts have been ruled out, in one way or another. They had ES&S on the list, but now ES&S is hiding in a cave somewhere. There is a lineup of employees and eye witnesses. It is possible that the computer stuff won't be as much of a focus as expected, due to the false certification that was done (their own report can't reconcile 40% of the precincts!) and due to the extent of their discovery abuse (delay and withholding of computer records).
In an affidavit, they actually went so far as to claim that their own results don't exist, which is a new one for me. These guys are literally running away from their own documents.
Okay, over an out until the trial is over.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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nswfm
said on 10/6/2010 @ 11:52 am PT...
Brad, you are my hero, too.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Jeannie Dean
said on 10/6/2010 @ 1:08 pm PT...
KarenfromIllinois!!~ (@ #10 & 11) I thought of you *immediately* when I saw that last night / was wondering the exact same thing.
That was a fascinating Maddow report. Not only couldn't she find ONE in state, registered O'Donnell voter, but she completely un-did the "conventional beltway wisdom" (false narrative) that is usually repeated ad nauseum to explain away impossible numbers.
That makes me optimistic Rachel will re-air / or re-investigate that if the election turns out wonky.
That said, I was very excited then subsequently disappointed when one of the citizens of Delaware pointed out to her that she was giving Christine O'Donnell way to much air, and Rachel was completely dismissive and laughed it off; muttered the ol' "how can you blame me when...?" response which is exactly the response I get when I write letters to the progressive outlets (and friends( to point out the very real effects of their non-stop, round the clock TEABAGGER coverage.
Maddow laughed off a very serious threat, a really important point, and her own culpability on the matter. Worse, she did so under the guise of it "being too much fun" *not* to report. Giving her credit for her honesty, but I'm very upset that she can't (or won't) exert enough journalistic control to stop doing it.
I forgive Rachel this (major) transgression because her excellent reporting on a host of other under-reported issues makes up the better balance - but that really, really really pissed me off.
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Justen Robertson
said on 10/6/2010 @ 2:10 pm PT...
The "suggestion box for slaves" model of societal organization is inherently flawed and insecure. There is no system on earth that can protect the suggestion box from the predations of fellow slaves who are tasked with counting the votes. Offloading this responsibility to a machine does not fundamentally change the problem; it merely extends the power of a handful of slaves to corrupt or uphold the system over what was erstwhile a large and complex task requiring many more slaves and giving each less power. The proportion of corruption is bound to be the same, though with the statistical anomalies of smaller sample sets being more apparent in the short-term.
The root of this issue is not the machine, nor is it the conscience of the slaves; it is the obsession with the keeping of one group of people for the personal benefit and exploitation of another. As long as this model is pursued corruption and evil are inherent, as there is no scenario, however benevolent, where the power to commit violence with impunity is inherently moral or sane.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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karenfromillinois
said on 10/6/2010 @ 3:16 pm PT...
yes jeanie,just like there are not enough signatures in shelby county to account for the republican votes...there dont seem to be enough supporters in delaware to account for odonnells win..i was also amazed by racheals reporting and showing all those seniors(that supposedly support repubs) very vocally backing the democrat nominee
on ur second point,while some neo cons get too much air time and exposure,i do feel it is the medias job to tell about the nutty crap odonnell has come up with....that she lied about having a high security clearance,that she thought she was a witch,ect
now keith o did like a 7 min thing with a fake clown and a fake witch..that i thought was a waste of evry1s time but just listing the craziness that comes out of these tea party peops mouths is news
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 10/7/2010 @ 8:49 am PT...
Brad: While I realize this hack was directed at an internet voting system, is there any reason why the central tabulators of any and all e-voting systems, whether DRE or optical scans, could not be subjected to a similar hack by anyone with access to the system?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Alan8
said on 10/7/2010 @ 9:34 am PT...
There's one thing to keep in mind about the election-fraud epidemic:
THE DEMOCRATS LET IT ALL HAPPEN!!
These problems have been known since 2000, and there has been abundant evidence of fraud every election since then, but nothing significant has been done about it.
Protest the election fraud: Vote Green Party!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Andy the geek
said on 10/8/2010 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Brad -
Thanks for a great story. So much so that I reposted in summary on my own blog www.geekablog.com with a link back to you for the full story. People always assume we geeks are always in a blind rush towards newer technologies, but it's not true, and it's great to see not only the invitation to try and hack the system, but the fact that the results bear out what we all already know. Electronic voting technology is not ready for primetime!
Bravo to Prof. Halderman and his team! And they especially make the rest of us geeks proud with the (let's face it, it's funny) insertion of the fight song to play on the machines. Yes, it's a serious subject, and a serious situation, but damn! it's funny to imagine those machines babbling like one-armed-bandits after every vote
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Mark Greene
said on 10/10/2010 @ 12:29 am PT...