READER COMMENTS ON
"'High-Tech Lynching' of Van Jones Signals McCarthyism Alive and Well"
(29 Responses so far...)
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LAStevens
said on 9/8/2009 @ 10:35 am PT...
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blubonnet
said on 9/8/2009 @ 10:58 am PT...
Arianna Huffington has shown herself to be empty of logic, and honor, as well. Despite the plethora of questions that need answering, and eyebrow raising things that happened on 9-11-01, she has denounced the truth movement, that has the guts to tackle these questions. I'm done with H.P. She's shown her true colors and there are none, she's void of integrity, and empty vessel. Van Jones had the objectivity and personal honesty to see, and say, the government version of 9-11-01, is more like a cartoon, especially when an abundant amount of science backs up the Truth movement's concerns. Sadly, he denied it afterwards, which makes him somewhat of a coward. Maybe now, he'll have the cajones to speak out more.
Arianna Huffington said:
[i]"More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 "truther" conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid "9/11 Truth Statement." I've spoken to Van. He doesn't believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 "Truthers" are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them."[/i]
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xham
said on 9/8/2009 @ 11:06 am PT...
Despite all that Sibel Edmonds has revealed on this site about the CIA/FBI working with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, why is there always such a need to cling to the "government would never do anything like that?" WTC7 fell into its own footprint with 2.3 seconds being at PERFECT FREEFALL....from office fires alone! Is there anyone here who can explain how this could possibly happen (please submit answers to NIST as well because apparently they cannot explain it either!)
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nunya
said on 9/8/2009 @ 11:40 am PT...
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Annie in California
said on 9/8/2009 @ 1:12 pm PT...
Joseph Mc Carthy is alive and well, now inhabiting the body of Glen Beck. Here we go again!
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camusrebel
said on 9/8/2009 @ 1:45 pm PT...
Reminds me of when Cynthia McKinney was hounded out obstensibly for cutting in line or some such minor non-event while most thinking folks knew it was because she asked tough 9/11 related questions. Yeah, I'm going to "resign" cause I call someone an asshole. Or think a guy on death row deserves a 2nd look? Please.
Even the Color of Change connection would never rise near lynching status alone. Clearly the perps behind 9/11 are playing for keeps and brook NO hint of even a tiny crack in the massive wall of ignorance they have erected in the mass mind via their total media control.
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muldrake
said on 9/8/2009 @ 2:23 pm PT...
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Tunga
said on 9/8/2009 @ 3:29 pm PT...
Richard Clarke won't admit Bin Ladin graduated from Harvard's mechanical engineering school in 1976.
Tunga was there when Osama said he intended to bring down the west.
He probably didn't expect so much help from the CIA.
The transcripts documenting the last flight of UA77 obtained through FOIA requests show the insertion of script files into the radar data seen by Radar operators coast to coast courtesy of the 84th RADES in Utah.
The files were created by a Massachusetts company called P-Tech. All of the flights involved in the 911 caper were involved in the Vigilant Guardian exercises being run by NORAD on that day.
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greenferret
said on 9/8/2009 @ 7:05 pm PT...
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/8/2009 @ 7:49 pm PT...
Glen Beck is a real piece of work.
I try not to watch or listen to the factually incorrect rubbish, lies, and misleading propaganda spewed by the privateley owned U.S. corporate mass media run by your Illuminati rulers in government so I never heard this acehole speak.
It doesn't matter what these treasonous self-serving individuals on corporate TV say no more than Federal government public servants who take an oath to serve the interests of working class Americans and in REALITY are purely serving the militaristic rule of NEW WORLD ORDER MULTI-NATIONAL BANKERS, INDUSTRIALISTS, AND WAR MACHINE CONTRACTORS.
Beck's quoted material I have read speaks volumes. This man needs to be heard and then called out as the big white racist loser muther fcker with a microphone that he is. Spreading hate, twisted facts, and creating controversy as a manipulative antagonist for the super rich greedy careless losers in control of the corporation known as the U.S.A.
Anyone like Arianna Huffington who openly refuses to look at the factual evidence that the official story about 9-11 is a cover-up is part of THE COVER-UP.
High tech military thermate cutter charges or Nanothermate left it's particle trace signature in dust samples from all 3 controlled demolition sites as evidenced by Dr. Steven Jones in a peer reviewed paper.
Over 800 architects and engineers have signed a petition asking for a new investigation. The 9-11 COMMISSION REPORT overseen by Phillip Zelicow by the Bush-Cheney regime didn't even mention the textbook conforming controlled demolition of 47 story World Trade Tower Building #7. A structure not hit by a plane that collapsed in 6.5 seconds.
www.ae911truth.org
The secretive New World Order make up maybe 5% of the U.S. population. Then you have the 10% that benefit from their "working" relationship with this group.
When enough of the 85% of Americans population of 300 million WAKE UP and learn the truth, they can work together as a team with a purpose. To punish and remove these corrupt indivuals from their stranglehold control of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE MONEY SYSTEM FOREVER.
Then concentration can be placed on protecting RRR fragile home called earth that is CURRENTLY IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
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Anthony J. Topper
said on 9/8/2009 @ 8:28 pm PT...
One, you are way off base on your McCarthyism comparison. Two, good riddance to Van Jones. Three, you are a "whack job" yourself.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/8/2009 @ 9:47 pm PT...
Respectfully, Anthony J. Topper, placing numbers before your ideological rant does not add weight to your unsupported arguments.
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Greg
said on 9/9/2009 @ 12:53 am PT...
Lynching? It's amazing to read the diatribe by so many of you "progressives" out there who cannot see the forest for the trees. I'd love to understand how it is called a "Lynching" when all Beck did was replay clips of Van Jones, speaking out his radical beliefs in his own words? Showing Jones discussing how he believes white america is singling out and poisoning people of color. Showing his signature on the petition demanding an investigation of 9/11.
Yeah, he said he denied signing. Unfortunately for him the petitioners were all confirmed. So then he said he didn't read it well enough. Right.
So let's put a self professed communist with a grade school understanding of how a free market works and who believes the former administration allowed 9/11 as a pretext to war, $30 Billion dollars to manage.
His, and most progressives' lack of understanding to the mechanisms of a free market will be disasterous to our ecomony. In this case, emphasising "green" jobs at the expense of goal, oil and gas, the number of jobs lost in those sectors would dwarf any possible gains made in solar, wind or others. Cap and Trade will lead to higher costs for producers and what most of you seem to miss is that producers will simply pass those higher costs to consumers.
Instead of a "green revolution" you'll have massive unemployment.
But more to the point, what you can't get beyond is that most of america vehemently disagrees with your radical politics. So rather than debate your position which, res ipsa loquitur, cannot hold water as in the case of Jones, you resort to personal, vitriol attacks.
There's no debate in that. But who wants to debate, right? To debate you run the risk of having your truth exposed as the folly it is and what would you do then? No, can't risk that. Better to attack everyone who disagrees as a racist.
That may have worked in the past, but this is a new day.
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Phil
said on 9/9/2009 @ 2:07 am PT...
#13 above said.
I'd love to understand how it is called a "Lynching" when all Beck did was replay clips of Van Jones, speaking out his radical beliefs in his own words?
The article say's, "High-Tech Lynching."
your intentionally out of context -imo
Who said I thought Van Jones's beliefs were radical? Did I say it? No. Don't put words in my mouth. (like you already have above) Okay. Alright. You can pipe that shit down. Oh wait you call us radical one more time...
But more to the point, what you can't get beyond is that most of america vehemently disagrees with your radical politics
That's a fucking lie, since most of America doesn't even know what my politics are. And again you disrespect me by calling me radical. Who say's radical YOU? you don't even know what my politics are.
white america is singling out and poisoning people of color
Duh, White people have been. I've seen it happen many times and I was only born in 1963. Thank god, I was taught, not to behave like that, it's disgusting and unacceptable no matter WHO does it, and yeah I have seen reverse discrimination too.
Showing his signature on the petition demanding an investigation of 9/11.
Yeah, he said he denied signing. Unfortunately for him the petitioners were all confirmed. So then he said he didn't read it well enough. Right.
This is so stupid, since wanting to know what happened on 911 is a legit question. There will be no statute of limitations on that, we all have a god given right to ask! From Veteran's like myself to the lowest paid job in the country, we all have a right, if not a DUTY to ask what REALLY happened on 911 not that Blue and White 911 Commission "book of missing data."
So let's put a self professed communist with a grade school understanding of how a free market works and who believes the former administration allowed 9/11 as a pretext to war, $30 Billion dollars to manage.
Na let's keep the vote cracked with electronics so we can't hold our Senators responsible for allowing (even encouraging) banksters to steal $65 Trillion (estimated) by over leveraging and rigging their books from audit. Still to this day 9th of September 2009, not coming clean from their fraud. 30 Billion is nothing compared to 1 Trillion. Oh I understand enough about the monetary system to know that 20-30 billion if not lets' round it up to 50 billion is NOTHING in the big picture.
Good luck on Bradblog dude, seriously. Even the village idiot (ME) can cut your nonsense down to size.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/9/2009 @ 3:04 am PT...
A lot of people know who Glen Beck is but who is quiet "The Catastophic Terror Kid" Philip Zelikow who produced the 700 page 9-11 Commission Report?
This is the man who decided what information SHOULD and SHOULD NOT be included into the official government investigation of complex military events staged on 9-11-2001.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuoQZkBFj9A
THE treasounous corrupt BUSH-CHENEY-RUMSFELD-ROVE-RICE-GONZALES ADMINISTRATION false flag attack on the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon was used as an effective emotional boost to sell "their" New World Order war on terror campaign. So far they got away with murder and business is good.
Condolezza Rice wrote a book with Philip Zelacow and like many other lying criminals in the George W. Bush Administration, she was handsomely rewarded for promoting 9-11 cover-up and lying to the American people about reasons to go to war. She was promoted to Secretary of State.
Please remember, Obama is President because he represents the same people.. the same people entirely responsible for killing thousands of people to line their pockets and attempt to take over the 3rd largest oil reserve.
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Jessica-Lender
said on 9/9/2009 @ 4:16 am PT...
I was under the impression that the reason for Mr.Jones' resignation was the fact that he believed that the former President Bush had complete knowledge of the 9/11 attacks before they occurred, but let them happen because he needed an excuse to invade Afghanistan.
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Floridiot
said on 9/9/2009 @ 7:41 am PT...
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:11 am PT...
It is truly unfortunate that truth can so easily be mangled in the minds of the uninformed.
Take Jessica-Lender, comment #16:
I was under the impression that the reason for Mr.Jones' resignation was the fact that he believed that the former President Bush had complete knowledge of the 9/11 attacks before they occurred, but let them happen because he needed an excuse to invade Afghanistan.
In actuality, Jones never said that he "believed" Bush had advance knowledge, complete or otherwise. The Washington Post article, cited in this piece, states that Jones allegedly signed:
[Emphasis added] a petition in 2004 from the group 911Truth.org that questioned whether officials in President George W. Bush's administration "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war"...
The word "may" appears to have been used not to assert official complicity as established fact but to suggest a reason why the event warrants a full and complete investigation.
Additionally, the decision to invade Afghanistan is relatively uncontroversial. The core problem was the Bush regime's deliberate deception in which it falsely portrayed a WMD-armed Iraq as being linked to al Qaeda and 9/11; claiming Iraq constituted such an immediate threat that our only recourse was to launch a preemptive invasion. It was a deception aided in large measure not only by Fox News but the rest of the unthinking stenographers in the corporate-owned media.
As I stated in this article, I, for one, am not convinced by the evidence offered to date by 9/11 Truthers is sufficient to warrant the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job.
Lest I again incur the wrath of the 9/11 Truther movement, I will reiterate that I am also not satisfied that the evidence produced to date warrants acceptance of the "official conspiracy theory" of what took place on 9/11.
As I noted in "On conspiracy theories,"
The word “theory” as a method of scientific study merely refers to “systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances, especially a system of assumptions, accepted principles, and rules of procedure devised to analyze, predict, or otherwise explain the natural behavior of a specified set of phenomena.” (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary).
In most criminal investigations, detectives develop a theory and then follow up with leads to ascertain whether the evidence supports or negates their theory of the crime.
9/11 is no different.
Whether we look at that event through the official lens, entailing 19 hijackers linked to al Qaeda, or the unofficial lens, which questions whether that event was an "inside job," we are examining the issue of a conspiracy (a meeting of the minds of more than one individual to commit a crime) theory.
But the corporate media never uses the words "conspiracy theory" to describe the official theory of an event. Those words are reserved for any and all who question "official reality" --- an unscientific form of dismissive denigration that evades the core question --- does the evidence support or negate the official reality?
That said, I must say I am disappointed, but not surprised, that the 9/11 question would dominate the comments.
My primary purpose in writing this piece was to demonstrate the gaping hole in corporate media logic that equated questioning the adequacy of evidence used to convict Mumia Abu-Jamal with an affinity for Mumia's politics.
If my reading of the comments is accurate, it would appear that I have failed in my central mission as an author, for my core point was lost in the maze of 9/11 rhetoric.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:15 am PT...
Floridiot: I usually agree with your posts. But the site you link to presents the "murder/rape" allegation as nothing more than a "rumor."
I don't think it serves the progressive cause to repeat unsubstantiated rumors.
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Floridiot
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:31 am PT...
It's a parody site of the way the right wingnuts present/frame things, like the birther movement.
Think about that, then go look at it. I'll guarantee you you'll laugh your ass off then.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:46 am PT...
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:52 am PT...
You're quite right, Floridiot, but you didn't present it as such here. I would have preferred that, prior to your link, you added --- a parody on Glenn Beck's methodology --- or something of that nature so that it would be clear to all that your comment was tongue-in-cheek.
And yes, when I took my time to read it, I did "laugh my ass off."
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Floridiot
said on 9/9/2009 @ 9:13 am PT...
But, but...Iffin I would've warned you first it wouldn't had been as funny (to me anyway)
Plus I figgered with the first link you would have known I was in humor mode...oh well, sorry.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/9/2009 @ 9:15 am PT...
Sorry Ernest for perpetuating the 9-11 truth movement into this blog, however, the fact remains that these killers and their corporate controlled media are still running the country.
The ways I see it is 1st a majority of competent people have to be aware of what really happened and the current situation. Then American people with any available help can push to investigate and remove the lying treasonous murderers from power as well as put safe guards in place to correct the corrupted system.
Simultaneously multi-tasking, America can legitimately get on with doing "the right things" such as leading world nations in an effort to protect and take care of the air, remaining forests, and the world water systems. We can install the Green Peace plan of 80% wind, solar, and geothermal renewable energy by 2050 to best head off Global Warming.
The root of the problem is until the careless dangerous liars of the New World Order rulers are removed from control of U.S. Federal government, they will continue to mislead, confuse, and destroy RRR chance to be good planetary stewards until that time is gone.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/9/2009 @ 9:27 am PT...
Flo, GBD --- no apologies are required.
I have no problem with either the levity or the extended discussion of 9/11. I'm just a bit disappointed my piece did not generate some thoughtful commentary on the plight of Mumia Abu-Jamal and the illogical effort to equate the non-ideological questioning of the sufficiency of the evidence in his case into Van Jones' purported affinity with Mumia's politics.
My original title for this piece, which Brad thoughtfully revised, suggested that if support for those who question the adequacy of evidence for a murder conviction is "radical" then we're all in trouble.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/9/2009 @ 8:17 pm PT...
In 2009 We are ALL in trouble. That is my point because the corporate media and a big mouth bull horn like Glen Beck ARE the most powerful distraction of control from the truth about the killers in the White House who did 9-11 and still run the Federal government under their puppet Obama.
The Bush Administraton and their "project for a new century" people who planned and carried out the events on 9-11 have still gotten away with murder and it of course is openly debated if these isolated Illuminati individuals will get prosecuted and convicted for those torture crimes committed alone.
I agree that the smoke and mirrors slant of "their" private information machine will not question evidence for "their" murder conviction.
Connecting the dots, the 9-11 attack forced changes to U.S. government,and it's all it's policies in it's aftermath. It takes away from important enviro matters that dramatically worsened under 8 years of the criminal Bushit Administraton as well as budgetary dollars.
Fossil fuel industrialists at the helm will suck the last bit of earth to make a dollar regardless of the reprecusions. It does not have to play out that way.
Because the treasonous lying super-rich dangerous criminal 5% indivuals control the information to the mass American public it exerts and represents this strong powerful check on the revolutionary changes that must occur to remove them.
After decades of control, They know the big picture, and have enjoyed their big corporate INCREASE of wealth and shored up control that experienced exponential growth under the incompentent corrupt Bush-Cheney Administration.
Reversing these changed and increased extradinary powers has been very minimal under "their" new puppet President. A combination of left over Illuminati Bush and Illuminati Clinton office holders have filled the positions.
Can We find a better way to gain converts than exposing the whole corrupted system on a blog thread?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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strayarts
said on 9/10/2009 @ 9:34 am PT...
INCARCERATING PEOPLE "FOR PROFIT" IS IN A WORD....WRONG!
Even if one does not ask or pretends not to see the rope and the flashing red flag draped around the philosophical question standing solemnly at attention in the middle of the room, it remains apparent that the mere presence of a private “for profit” driven prison business in our country undermines the U.S Constitution and subsequently the credibility of the American criminal justice system. In fact, until all private prisons in America have been abolished and outlawed, “the promise” of fairness and justice at every level of this country’s judicial system will remain unattainable. We must restore the principles and the vacant promise of our judicial system. Our government cannot continue to "job-out" its obligation and neglect its duty to the individuals confined in the correctional and rehabilitation facilities throughout this nation, nor can it ignore the will of the people that it was designed to serve and protect. There is urgent need for the good people of this country to emerge from the shadows of indifference, apathy, cynicism, fear, and those other dark places that we migrate to when we are overwhelmed by frustration and the loss of hope.
My hope is that you will support the National Public Service Council to Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) with a show of solidarity by signing "The Single Voice Petition"
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–Ahma Daeus
"Practicing Humanity Without A License"…
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Brian R.
said on 9/10/2009 @ 11:45 am PT...
Ernest Canning,
You are not convinced that the Government allowed it to happen? C,mon...
Norman Mineta....Col. Anthony Shaeffer / Able Danger...War games...Rumsfield not commanding the Pentagon in the morning....Insider trading on "put" options...
Whats your hang up?
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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molly
said on 9/10/2009 @ 2:03 pm PT...
Van Jones and Mumia Abu Jamal have to be silenced.
If they were allowed to speak, we might learn that we are not free.
Arianna Huffington is still republican.