There's definitely a pattern here.

I hope the killer says he did it because of O'Reilly, and the family sues him for a bundle.

Here we go--the loony left trying to blame O'Reilly for this killer's murder, simply because O'Reilly reported his activities. I suppose under that logic, Walter Cronkite was responsible for the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, since he reported on that killer. Get a life!

I guess Tiller is now the ultimate "late-term" abortion.

If we allow Dr. George Tiller and his acolytes to continue, we can no longer pass judgment on any behavior by anybody.

What Tiller is doing is that bad. And that's the Memo.

Bill O'Reilly
Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/s...ry/0,2933,228628,00.html

Anyone who ever refered to Dr. George Tiller as "Tiller the Baby Killer" has blood on their hands today. End of story.

The killer sure had enough encouragement from these right-wing nitwits.

Perhaps the folks who make these posts are already, but I sure wish they would voice similar opinions against those who torture and murder in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and Bagram. ... and the administration officials who order and promote such activity.

Right-Wingers, 'Pro-Life' only until birth it seems.

How very 'unchristian' of them.

Thats wingnuts for you. The unborn are precious and the born are cannon fodder. Ya see you are not a sinner until the umbilical is cut.

Proof that the "pro-lifers" are anything but.

They are merely pro-birth - once you're born, YOYO (you're on your own). Yes, I really do hope this comes back to bite those mother-killers in the ass.

How is it that, that at questionable point of life, under 3 months, is being vociferously defended by the right-wing, yet the unquestionably alive, those that walk and talk, are acceptably slaughtered through our bombing? The fact is, that the only time late abortion occurs legally, and very seldom, period, is when there is a problem with the life of the pregnant woman, jeapordized or lost, by continuing the pregnancy. How can the value of a fetus, under three months, supercede the actual, unquestionable life of that woman/ And why don't the victims of the war WE ILLEGALLY STARTED, killing the 90% innocent civillians be so distant from their outrages, these Right-wing Repugnants? How is it that it's okay to bring a child into a life that is assured to be a misery, is better than prohibitting the continuation of preganancy? While in the fetus stage, being discontinued is actually much more compassionate. Oh, that's right, we were just not supposed to have sex, in the first place.

Well,it looks like you knuckle draggers have finally pushed yourself up from the manure patch like mushroom's as published in the 'eighties book by James Coates-Armed and Dangerous.It will be fun to watch as the tanks roll over your church's,pick-ups and house's as they haul you off to some place where water boarding is just a church frat prank to find out where you hid your brain that your lovable god gave you.

O'Reilly may not have been there...but he brainwashed his minions to kill. Give him the same punishment I got!

Wow. Can I call for the death of O-reilly and claim it is free speech?

NOTE! All the perp's Radio & tv Presets !
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The response by Bible-thumping wing-nuts to this tragedy typifies what Dr. Phillip Zimbardo describes in The Lucifer Effect (2007) as “the process of dehumanization by which certain other people or collectives of them are depicted as less than human….” He regards this as “one of the central processes in the transformation of ordinary, normal people into indifferent or even wanton perpetrators of evil…a ‘cortical cataract’ that clouds one’s thinking and fosters the perception that other people are less than human…to see…others as enemies deserving of torment, torture, and even annihilation.”

It is here that the danger of irresponsible media is exposed. History’s most abhorrent example, the “final solution,” was not the product of some inherent psychological deficiency in the German people. To the contrary, as Zimbardo forcefully points out, it was the product of a deliberate campaign carried out in newspapers, on radio, in required texts of school children, and even in comic books, which “sought to create the perception of Jews as a sub-human race that was a threat to the national state.”

O'Reilly's verbal character assaults go well beyond harmless words, especially when they are received by a less-than-stable, malleable mind of a wing-nut who perceives Dr. Tiller as the embodiment of evil.

Ernest A. Canning

As a follow-up to my last comment, consider the response coming from those from the other side of the women's right to choose debate.

In a just received email, NARAL writes:

On behalf of NARAL Pro-Choice America and our affiliates, our prayers and thoughts are with Dr. Tiller’s family and friends.

If you don’t know very much about his background, for almost two decades Dr. Tiller and those individuals who helped provide care to his patients have lived under intense harassment tinged with persistent threats of violence. Even under these adverse circumstances, Dr. Tiller never wavered in his commitment to providing abortion services and other reproductive health care to women and their families, often in the most difficult and heart-breaking circumstances.

Dr. Tiller’s murder will send a chill down the spines of the brave and courageous providers and other professionals who are part of reproductive-health centers that serve women across this country. We want them to know that they have our support as they move forward in providing these essential services in the aftermath of the shocking news from Wichita.

Ernest A. Canning

{Ed Note: Comment deleted. Violent threats against others are not tolerated here. Knock it off, whoever you are, or you will be banned from posting here. Thank you. Note to other readers: this commenter has never posted here before, so I suspect what he posted was a pathetic attempt to reflect poorly on this site's commenters. We cannot, and do not moderate all comments, as we try to keep our commenting policy as open as possible and don't have the resources to babysit 24/7. So please feel free to bring such comments to our attention when/if you notice them. Particularly on this article, which I suspect will bring out these kind of idiots. Thanks. - BF}

looks like this guy has been 'gunning' for the doctor for several years....

read the last entry
http://www.democraticund...address=389×5755484

Jeff (comment 19) is obviously a right-wing sock-puppet trying to distract everyone from the outrageous Freeper comments.

"Well, Jesus may have been "the prince of peace" and an advocate of nonviolence, but he sure would have murdered doctors who perform abortions--just like Jesus approves of torturing people who may or may not be terrorists and even the wholesale slaughter of non-Christians. Baby Jesus wants us all to live in peace, and sometimes that means killin' a bunch of people."
Wingnuts make me tired.

The ONLY thing that will make these CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS stop their hate on Fox News is for the family of Dr.Tiller to sue Rupert Murdoch and Bill O'Loofah for all they're worth.

As an aside, I believe that the Administration can now use Bush's Terrorist Act to stop the hate mongering and terror-inciting being done on Fox News everyday.

It began at Palin's Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist rallies and is now being continued via Fox News.

This country IS NO LONGER SAFE BECAUSE OF FOX NEWS AND IT'S VERY PSYCHOLOGICALLY DERANGED COMMENTATORS.

The people need to express their outrage and boycott EVERY LAST ONE OF FOX'S SPONSORS IMMEDIATELY.

Bill now has warm fresh blood on his hands. The never ending assault on decency and democracy drew it´s first blood. But I regrettably doubth it will be the last. The Rush & Fox war on everything and anything not extreme right wing has been coming at maximum force since the eletion.

They left any trace of sanity behind and are in a mass psychosis state of mind. They are behaving like banana republic dictators in their final demise. I hope Dep. of HS, FBI and police already are kicking doors and taking names. They are a clear and obvious danger to the seurity of ther US.

Bill, Rush, Hannity et al. should roast for this

Bring on The Patriot Act immediately. It's time to use this act to stop the terror-inciting done by these rightwing nuts every day on Fox News.

There needs to be an immediate appeal and petititon to the Attorney General to investigate the role(s) these anti-american (remember: abortion is legal - "murder" is not) these christian fundamentalist terrorist hate crimes and how much influence these Fox commentators have on an unbalanced individual's mind.

The propaganda and lies are enough; the outright incitement to voilence is again another thing and they need to be stopped.

The seriously deranged logic of protesting an abortion as murder and then going out and murduring a doctor, in church no less, baffles the normal mind.

Evidently, this individual does not have a normal mind - as so many uneducated, anti-democratic reighwingers.

We, the People, can wage our own war - directly upon Fox News - and it's hate-spewing, fear-mongering, murder-inciting anchors.

The People can get a list of every sponsor of the Fox Cable Network and begin a boycott immediately.

If anyone has access to this information, please post it here so we can circulate it to everyone we know.

This will become the People's War against Violence.....we can and will hit Fox in the pocketbook - perhaps the ONLY place they can relate.

Let's also begin a push for Bill O'Reilly's immediate resignation or firing from Fox Network.

He can be sued for "aiding and abetting" the direct violence against Dr. Tiller.

I think Bill O has finally 'tilled his own grave' and he will now carry the besmerchment concomittant with the criminal who pulled the trigger.

It's O'Ver for Bill O, the Sicko Clown.

The sponsors who perpetuate Bill O's violent spin can now be considered to be "accessories" to the aiding and abetting of violence resulting in murder.

Any legal eagles out there?

Needless to say, if and when Sarah Palin even thinks that she's got a shot at running for office, those dreams are now O'ver, too.

This murder just cinched not only the demise of Palin's career but the demise of the GOP entirely in 2010.

Typical liberalism--shut down free speech. I wonder how many of you have called for William Ayers or Keith Olberman to be shut down. Sorry--free speech in this country. Thank God (can I still say "God"?)

Now the mental midgets at Free Rethuglic are convincing themselves that Dr Tiller's murder was really Obama's "Reichstag". Trying to insinutate that it wasn't a pro-"life" nutjob, but a government plot to grab guns and protect abortion. If it weren't so tragic, it would be funny

If the media is so LIBERAL Why are 90% of them on the tube conservatives ?
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The ACLU has been saying that, FREE SPEECH, even for the unpopular statements. You guys hate the ACLU, for NOT shutting down the free speech of unpopular groups.

"Obama's Reichstag"

Thems the marching orders from the right wing think tanks.
(a.k.a. Cesspools)
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While I respect Bill O'Reilly's right to free speech, I say to us all that we must not only answer but pre-empt the next set of attacks with plenty of free speech of our own.

Brainwashing must be countered in force wherever it pops up. It's time to put a serious deprogramming plan in place. This is the sort of thing that happens when we let O'Reilly and his ilk say their piece and we do not challenge it.

The material evidence against O'Reilly is right here:

If we allow Dr. George Tiller and his acolytes to continue, we can no longer pass judgment on any behavior by anybody.

What Tiller is doing is that bad. And that's the Memo.

Bill O'Reilly
Fox News

O'Reilly's Fox News Rant

I hope Homeland Security, NARAL and others get the legal ball rolling. Looks pretty clear to me.

Dr Tiller did not break the law of man or God. God does not recognize life until he breathes it into you.

But you anti choice, anti Constitution TERRORISTS have blood on your hands.

You protest the death of the unborn but cheer as you send living kids to war. Not your kids but someone elses.

You cheered when Bush vetoed health care for children, but what the hell let that 8 year old die from tooth decay but save bunch of cells.

You cheer when a Muslim or Arab child is bombed. Your fucked up minds think everyone must bow to your Christ of God will not save than.

I thought Bush was going to stop abortion? How did that work out for you assholes?

Don't want an abortion DON'T HAVE ONE.

PRO LIFE PRO WAR MAKE UP YOUR SICK MINDS!

You people are nothing but TERRORISTS! >.

Any guess who's up for Olbermann's worst person on this . . .
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The material evidence against O'Reilly is right here:

If we allow Dr. George Tiller and his acolytes to continue, we can no longer pass judgment on any behavior by anybody.

What Tiller is doing is that bad. And that's the Memo.

Bill O'Reilly
Fox News

O'Reilly's Fox News Rant

I hope Homeland Security, NARAL and others get the legal ball rolling. Looks pretty clear to me.

Who will Bill O'Reilly target next for assassination over the public airwaves?

The murdered (martyred?) physician provided a grim- but necessary medical service; even if the `Forced-Existence' zealots can't admit it, some pregnancies are too horribly deformed to be carried to term.

By using deadly violence to intimidate providers of legal- and necessary procedures, the Whack-O Religious Right who target legitimate family planning medical staff prove that they are no different from (or any better than than) the Q'uoran-spouting Terrorists who kill in the name of their perverted notion of `The One True Faith'.

Worse, because they claim to kill in the name of Christian love...

Tiller the Baby Killer was a strong advocate (obviously) of late term abortion. He physically and literally killed hundreds of infants in the ninth month of pregnancy. He would jab medical devices into the child's head and suck out the brain. If that didn't work, and the child somehow made his or her way out, he would straggle the baby to death. Saying that this guy is a monster is an understatement. I do not agree with the murder of Tiller but, as the old saying goes, "what comes around goes around." Karma can really bit hard.

Chris wrote:

"Typical liberalism--shut down free speech. I wonder how many of you have called for William Ayers or Keith Olberman to be shut down."

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Apparently Chris does not understand the difference between "free speech" and "hate speech" designed to dehumanize the "other."

Consider, for example, the a Dec. 21, 2005 column of that darling of the right, Ann Coulter. “I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.” Appearing on CNBC’s Kudlow & Cramer on February 7, 2005, when discussing whether the U.S. military was targeting journalists, Coulter said, “Would that it were so!” In a January 10, 2005 article appearing in the New York Observer, Coulter was quoted as saying: “I’m getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties. I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning.” In Cruel and Unusual, Mark Crispin Miller quotes Coulter’s earlier remark at a right-wing conference: “We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too.”

Writing about Muslims on September 12, 2001 for the National Review, Coulter said, “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”

Glenn Beck is not one to be outdone by America’s Eva Braun. During a May 11, 2006 Clear Channel radio broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program, Beck said: “I say we nuke the bastards. In fact, it doesn’t have to be Iran. It can be everywhere, any place that disagrees with me.”

(That amounts not only to a call for violence but for nuclear genocide!)

O'Reilly's deceitful commentary borders on hate speech calculated to incite violence. While Olbermann is quite outspoken in his critique of the hard right's authoritarian mindset, I have never heard anything in his remarks that makes them comparable to O'Reilly. I doubt seriously, Chris, that you have either.

To all the other right-wing Christians out there --- I have only one question. Tell me, who would Jesus have bombed?

Ernest A. Canning

Do you want the government to outlaw your right to your body and quality care?

I hope your loved ones are not turned away from quality doctor care. One of mine was after being stalked and raped by a policeman. She was luckier than others and survived a nonprofessional abortion.

Remember Jesus stated, "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her." Some religious fanatics still stone raped women and try to own women. Who should own them as a slave?

We know women with tubal pregnancies who would have died if ecclesiastical zealots had their way. We knew women with high blood pressure that did die in pregnancy and chose their path. Notice exodus describes no penalty for women who choose to terminate pregnancy, nor does any Bible passage.

I don't see many women leaving the number of children they have up to someone else. My grandmother let the church decide and had 18 pregnancies. Women should be allowed to regulate their own bodies, starting with ovulation and contraception.

140 million orphan children and their mothers would love to be valued as much as embryos and feti are advertised. Notice most Pro-Lifers act as if life ends at birth. Are you willing to help mothers keep their children or to adopt ORPHANED children?

My aunt almost orphaned 7 children while delivering a fetus that hadn't a skull. She was allowed choices.

In medicine, a fetus becomes a baby when it take its first breath. Then, its siblings recognize it and it's named, christened, given citizenship, and celebrates its birthday. The value of a embryo or fetus is up to the person doing the work to create a new being. Unless you're willing to become a surrogate, it appears the only way to give rights to embryos and feti is to take away the rights of men, women, and children.

Please value women and her children.

If you want to reply, please use correct terminology rather than fallacies, such as begging the question and ad hominems.

THese "Christians" that you quote and the ones that I read on another site, are the exact reason why no thinking person could be follower of that faith, at least in the way they believe.

Sorry this is lengthy--It is the Wiki on the nut from Oregon who shot Tiller in the'90's--notice the nuts do not fall to for from the tree--HER DAUGHTER! Make note that the Grant Pass area of Oregon is filled with crazies..AND don't forget that Dallas,Oregon at one time had the biggest population of KKK's this side of the Mississippi---

Rachelle Ranae "Shelley" Shannon (born 1956) is a pro-life activist from Grants Pass, Oregon. She assaulted Dr. George Tiller outside his abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas on August 19, 1993, shooting him in both arms. She is serving time in FCI Dublin. Her projected release date is November 7, 2018.

At the time she attacked Tiller, Shannon had been a pro-life activist for five years and had written letters of support to Michael Griffin, who murdered David Gunn. She called Griffin "the awesomest, greatest hero of our time." She traveled to the Wichita clinic, a site of frequent demonstrations by abortion-rights and pro-life activists, and shot Tiller with a semiautomatic pistol.

More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_Shannon

[ed note: Comment edited. Please read our rules for commenting. Please just use the link instead of lengthy copy and pastes. Thank you. --99]

What Tiller did took courage under the circumstances!
I wonder how many of his critics have that kinda courage...
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All this coming from the same people that don't want to help young women get health care. Most young people off their parents Health care policies don't get their own health care for decades. What a useless system. What a horrible hardship on young adults. Those that have no idea what its like making all the rules. I don't get it.

If these Pro-Lifers really cared about this they would be rallying around the Health Care for all Banner. These things go hand and hand. Take care of young women equals taking care of unborn children. Help women make the choice you want if nothing else.

The left wing zealots decry the murder of this man, but applaud him for aborting fetuses 7 or 8 months old who could easily live outside the wound. What HYPOCRITES!!!! They are so naive to to think he did it because he "cared" for the women. The fact was that it made him a millionaire doing a procedure that no ethical doctor would perform.I decry his murder AND the murder of the innocents.So no more crocodile tears from you two faced libs.

Where was your outrage when your left wing blog was celebrating the death of Tony Snow????
HYPOCRITE doesn't begin to describe it!!!!

Breath to Breath

The plural of "fetus" is "fetuses".

Politico

We did not celebrate Tony Snow's death, and in any case he was not murdered. So, yes, "hypocrite" does NOT begin to describe it. It isn't in the same universe.

Where was your outrage when your left wing blog was celebrating the death of Tony Snow????

We did no such thing, Politico. You're welcome to post your disagreeable nonsense here, but you're not welcome to make shit up. Particularly not about this site. So please don't. Thanks.

The kind of "media" that's encouraging killings
must be ended. it's not "entertainment" when violence becomes linked to Tv? (the warning was there for years, all those violent television shows)now people are being killed 'cause someone
thinks they'v done some evil work. it's time to
do what we'v know for years, ban programing that
promotes shootings , if it's not done the killing
will continue.

Not one of you has expressed regret that these babies were killed. A woman can give birth to a child at 5 months and that person goes on to live a normal life. You don't hesitate to defend the killing of that child. You're so caught up in the left-right dialectic its pathetic. By the way Bush's cabinet was loaded with Trotskyites who true to their communist icon advocated constant revolution as in the murder of innocents, ie; Iraqis. This process is being continued by Obama as to the ruling class the left-right conflict does not exist. Intellectual fools.

Barry, maybe if you'd read up more on it you'd realize that many of the pregnancy are wanted, but cannot be had without endangering the life of the mother because of some horrible birth defect.

http://www.boston.com/ne...5/my_late_term_abortion/

*shakes head* Arrrgh!

To "Ernest":

You are yet another left-winger who wants to punish people's thoughts rather than their actions. Did Bill O'Reilly kill the abortionist? NO. Did Bill O'Reilly call for anyone to kill the abortionist? NO. Hence, you have free speech. Here is where the liberals' relativism comes back to bite them--what is "hate" speech to you is free speech to others.

Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it "hate" speech. This is the danger of "hate" (aka thought) crime laws and why they must be defeated. The killer of the abortionist should be punished for his actions--not his beliefs. And people like you shouldn't take the death of anyone in order to try to shut down someone else's free speech that you disagree with.

We had just better hope the killer doesn't end up in front of one of those "empathetic" judges you liberals are such fans of.

O'Reilly may well have problems. If cought the killer simply can inplicate him. It is after all how, (he was one of 'spinmeisters'), US does operate.

Wait, these liberals don't fit the typical sanctimonius, "we know better than you" stereotype at all....no wait...yes they do.
Yet again, you libs are championing the lack of personal responsibility so rampant in this country today. Did O'Reilly advocate the killing of this man? I must have missed that...

Let's not forget that this is another in a string of recent church shootings. Could it be that all of the anit-christian rhetoric has led to another church shooting? This rhetoric obviously leads to violence and we need to do whatever it takes to shut the mouths of these Theophobes.

Joeleen, Put ya teeth in and come quick ... looky down here at Brad Blog he dun gut some reeeeeal live
ingna rayuses runnin roud the place ... Yeeeee... Haaaaaa...
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I wonder....was there a long line of gunman waiting in the church..i mean...O'Reilly has a fairly large audience right?

Tiller: a very late, forth trimester, abortion. What happened to him is no different then what he did to viable babies.

Anybody ever wonder about the hypocrisy of the left? Unborn babies have less legal protection then unborn eagles. You can't crack an eagle egg without being throwin jail but destroying an unborn human is perfectly acceptable.

They are so naive to to think he did it because he "cared" for the women.

There are many who vouch for Dr. Tiller, for his courage and continued commitment to women's health in the face of threats to himself and his family.
It is about time that Fox news personalities are held legally responsible for their incitements to violence

Chris @ 56 said:

Did Bill O'Reilly kill the abortionist? NO.

Why are you arguing to let Charles Manson go free?! Or, for that matter, Osama bin Laden?

Then you said:

We had just better hope the killer doesn't end up in front of one of those "empathetic" judges you liberals are such fans of.

Who? Like Justice Samuel Alito?:

When testifying at his own confirmation hearings, he was all about empathy. "When a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant ... I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position." Conservatives found no objection when Alito described his own brand of empathy.

Chris, shall we find common ground in starting the Impeach Alito movement immediately?! Let me know. I'm with ya! (Though not on that Free Charles Manson thing you're advocating.)

Clowns like O'Reilly demonize people simply for the ratings--he has no deep beliefs. If the lunatic who did this indicates that statements right wing haters like O'Reilly persuaded or encouraged this outrage, I hope Tiller's family sues him for all he's worth.

...and where was the armed NRA "HERO" that was supposed to save the Day . . .
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Ahhh--liberals trying to put words in people's mouths. Let's try this yet again. Charles Manson told his followers to go and kill people. Bill O'Reilly did not.

Osama bin Laden commanded his followers to go out and actually kill people. Bill O'Reilly has not told his viewers any such thing. Can we understand that??

**Incidentally, Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate when she was two weeks from giving birth--sounds like Mr. Tiller's kind of guy more than Mr. O'Reilly's, doesn't it?

Justice Alito had shown before his confirmation that he had the ability to separate his empathy from the rule of law. From what we know of Sotomayor, she does not have that ability. You have no argument there. Reminiscing about your ancestors versus saying that your judicial skills are better because of your race are two different things. Can we understand that?? I hope we don't have to review this again.

Tony Snow---"thoughts and prayers"-- the ol' phony FAUX NEWS salute anthem ...

gather all BO's statements of hate against Tiller and hang BO high! with them.........

Silly Chris said @ 66:

Ahhh--liberals trying to put words in people's mouths.

First, you haven't a clue about whether I'm "liberal" or not. So, ahhhh--wingnuts trying to put labels on folks they haven't a clue about.

Let's try this yet again. Charles Manson told his followers to go and kill people.

Did he? You sure? That's not what he says.

Bill O'Reilly did not.

Are you sure? You might wanna go back and inspect what he actually said. I'd do it for ya, but the last thing I need to do is any more work for phony "conservatives" like yourself.

Justice Alito had shown before his confirmation that he had the ability to separate his empathy from the rule of law. From what we know of Sotomayor, she does not have that ability.

Really? And your evidence for a) Alito showing before his confirmation that he had the ability to separate...etc. (even though it was in his confirmation that he actually said otherwise, ya knucklehead) and b) Sotomayor does not not? Feel free to share your evidence and/or court cite to back up your phony case, chief.

You have no argument there.

Right. Speaking of which, I'll be waiting for yours. I look forward to reading your court case.

First off, you brought up Alito. You're the genius, so you go look it up. I frankly don't have the time or interest. Your argument, by the way, was pretty pathetic.

I know a lefty when I read one. And you're a lefty. I'll pray for you.

Lastly, I don't think you want to rely on Charles Manson for your argument. lol

Bottom line--the left wing kooks who want to "hang" Bill O'Reilly or start trouble will only show themselves to be what they are--desperate to stop the sinking ship of abortion support by using a man's death to attempt to silence someone aiding the pro-life cause. Pitiful. Just pitiful.

* BH's Conservative Talking Points Service Monday 6-1-09 *

It was The Hand Of God Almighty!

That Reached Down And Snatched the "Evil" Doctor Tiller !!!

The perpetrator was just God's tool !
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Let me get this straight. If O'Reilly says he thinks Tiller is doing wrong, but DOESN'T call for his death, then O'Reilly is responsible for "inciting" this nut to murder Tiller. Yeah, right. So if I disagree with Obama, or some senators policies and say they are wrong, and then some other nut shoots Obama or a senator then I guess I can be sued for "inciting" the nut to violence. Hmmm... Not sure what that does for free speech or if that's constitutional. It is delusional, but not constitutional.

Wake up people. This nut that murdered Tiller is a violent horrible man that does not represent the average pro-life viewpoints. HE himself is a hypocrite, but you can't stereotype ALL pro-lifers by one nut's actions. Unless of course you are going to 'profile' anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint. (Hmm... Does THAT constitute hate speech?)

I am pro-life, that means I don't like ANY killing. AND I'm NOT ALONE. If it's a fetus, baby or adult, killing is WRONG period. I live in Wichita. I peacefully protested at his clinic. I disagreed with Tiller, but he should NOT have been murdered. Not only was it wrong and unjustifiable but it's about the most idiotic strategy a person could use to change the politics of abortion. 99.9% of us "right wing prolifers" are like that. It just gets me how many of the comments on this site BROADBRUSH anyone who is a Christian or is prolife as suddenly being in the same league as this nut who is in the 0.01% of prolifers. As if we ALL want to go out and murder someone today.
How narrow minded.

Nothing like good ol' hypocritical christians.

"Republicans want live babies so they can grow up to be dead soldiers." -George Carlin

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg

My, my. The left is so tolerant of Muslims who fly planes into towers and kill our soldiers, yet so INtolerant against Christianity. There is no evidence that this man was a Christian.

Technically, he wasn't a Christian if he supports killing anyone in a vigilante act. Funny how the left is so willing to give an Arab with bombs in his shoes the benefit of the doubt of being a Muslim but jump to the conclusion that someone who murders an abortion doctor is Christian.

I'm sorry--who's hypocritical??

well for all of you who hate abortion there goes your chance of getting it overturned!WE must not let the terrirists (right-wingers) succeed in there violent attempts to circumvent the law of the land.Your struggle is over, done, finished.Go pray to god(he thinks your pshychotic too).

As an "independant/libertarian", I think both the left AND the right are nothing but highly propagandized automatons, at least as far as the so-called political arena is concerned. The fact that MANY of you are calling for an end to free speech and use of Bush's tyrannical Patriot Act that Obama "forgot" to repeal, is evidence that even when you're correct on an issue, you still serve as nothing more than Lenin's "useful idiots", calling for your own destruction by way of a militarized police state.

Any liberal democrat with half a brain (and with the exception of the author of the article and a tiny handful of commentators, they appear to be in the minority here) would be busy showcasing the INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS HYPOCRACY of condemning a woman's right to choose an abortion and openly advocating the death and torture of human beings outside the womb. The world of logic and reason gave him the rope, and Bill O has already tied the noose and hung himself on this one. So why the HELL would you be on here calling for the government to use and abuse an unconstitutional presidential directive which WILL probably wind up killing and imprisoning many of YOU in the not too distant future, over an arguement that you've already won? STOP BEING SELF-DESTRUCTIVE MORONS...please.

Other than that, I actually agree with most of you. The cognative dissonance of the religious right's "sanctity of unborn life" arguement, met with their "Kill/torture anything that moves that isn't a pregnant American, christian, zionist, or neocon/sadist" arguement is so in-your-face ABSURD, and forever highlighted by unfortunate stories like this one, that anyone who's pro-choice and has a voice in the media shouldn't have a problem convincing rational people of this... key word, RATIONAL people...

Chris @ 71 was unable to support his arguments, so bailed with:

First off, you brought up Alito. You're the genius, so you go look it up.

I did. I quoted exactly what he said when he expressed the empathy he has when making court decisions. You argued that he was able to somehow separate those feelings from his court decisions (in contradiction of what he said), but failed to show any evidence for your claim.

I did my part. Don't blame me if you're just making things up as you go, and can't support the nonsense you write.

I frankly don't have the time or interest. Your argument, by the way, was pretty pathetic.

Except for the part where you're unable to counter it, Chris. Very impressive.

I know a lefty when I read one. And you're a lefty. I'll pray for you.

Cool! Thanks!

Lastly, I don't think you want to rely on Charles Manson for your argument. lol

You were the one who said nobody could have any guilt in murder if they didn't specifically do it.

You may wanna hit the books before ya show up here next time. These aren't Fox "News" Democrats around here, bubs. The folks who post here tend to know stuff and can smell the phony "conservative" horseshit a mile away.

If you're able to find a clue what real conservatism is actually about (hint: Rule of Law, Constitutional rights, etc., and no, inciting violence is not one of them), feel free to come back and join us.

O'Reilly... if it turns out that he inspired this hate crime, then he must be held accountable. And by means I mean held accountable by use of the Patriot Act be jailed without judge or jury in a "dark" prison established under Cheney/Bush and then water-boarded for fun as a cherry on top of the hypocrite sundae that he embodies. Cheers!

Hey, the ACLU is about allowing free speech, and are the best advocates for it. They are also the best advocates for women's rights, humanity's rights. So, excuse me, Chris, how is it that the sadness of a life that has lived in a tragic setting, full of poverty, or drug use in a home, or inadequate income for supporting another, the sadness from that circumstance to a child, and the child's resulting life, with DESPAIR etched into their psyche forever, is it better to prevent the fetus from becoming the unsuspecting child, and the victim of circumstances, unacceptable for a child. Whether human or not, and you can't say it isn't human, but what consciousness level could exist in the fetus? I honestly do not believe it could be more than that of goldfish. Would I prefer to eliminate a goldfish from turning into a miserable child, with a life of misery? I will eliminate the goldfish/fetus.

Do I want to have a child, by giving birth and live forever, never seeing that baby/child/adult again in my life? A whole nother tragedy. That experience has haunted, and deeply emotionally scarred women.

A child living in an orphanage? Sad.

The goldfish is gone.

The late-term is not done except to keep the mother's health intact if in jeapordy, from the pregnancy. So, don't use that argument Righties!

... on the other hand I wear a glove . . .
Oops!
... on the other hoof ... I wear a shoe . . .
~

I hearby declare that all those who have supported
those in the Federal government with operating death mills in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere to be executing civilians and carrying out slaughter.

Call a spade a spade. Your tax dollars pay for wholsale murder, regardless of the victim.

But despite what you or O'Reilly says, Tiller was a baby killer. He didn't kill fetus', he killed babies. And when they came out and they weren't dead, he would drown them. So, O'Reilly was right to speak against him, the assailant was wrong to murder him, but excuse me if I'm not all broken up about it.

What the hell is wrong with being a "lefty"? I never understood that insult from wingers. So there, you ae a "righty"! Losers.

It's amazing how the left wanders off in the wilderness when attempting to make an argument. The ACLUnatics aren't about constitutional rights--they're about left wing fanatacism (incidentally, where have they been while the couple in California have been told by the government they can't hold Bible study in their home with their neighbors?). Funny that you claim I don't know you're a liberal, yet you somehow know I'm a conservative (I am, proudly, by the way). The fact that you don't admit suggests perhaps---shame??

You then whine about conservatism being about "constitutional law." It is--the original intent of the Constitution (maybe you should study some). Let me remind you of another important document--the Declaration of Independence (upon which the Constitution was built): LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The founders had good common sense. It's just a shame so many leftists don't.

It's clear the radicals will use a man's death to attempt to push their dead-upon-arrival agenda that the American people constantly reject yet have pushed in their face. No surprise there. What is surprising is the rapidity of the left's dehumanization of a living baby, what with comparing him/her to a "goldfish."

As with civil rights and slavery, in the end true human rights will win out--not the radical view that "my property is my business." A separate human being is not property, and they are entitled to full constitutional rights. You have yours, so why are you so obsessed with keeping it from others? Sick.

Lastly, a child who may be born in unfortunate circumstances doesn't justify killing that child. That's a ridiculous, almost comical, argument.

A new poll released in May show Americans favor the pro-life view by an average of 14%. God-willing, this nightmare and shameful period of history will be over soon, and we can come to terms with what we've done.

Chris @ 85, having failed in his previous arguments, asked for another helping with:

The ACLUnatics aren't about constitutional rights--they're about left wing fanatacism

Psst...don't tell Rush Limbaugh that, since they supported him in court, k?

Funny that you claim I don't know you're a liberal, yet you somehow know I'm a conservative

You may need to go back and re-read that, Chris. I said you were a "phony 'conservative'", and that was clear from the phony "conservative" arguments you were trying to use here from the git. So far, you've failed to impress a single point upon me that would suggest you have a clue what conservatism actually means.

You then whine about conservatism being about "constitutional law." It is--the original intent of the Constitution (maybe you should study some).

Which "original intent" would that be? The part that originally intended for African-Americans to be 3/5's of a person, and the property of their owners?

Or the part which requires equal protection for all (14th amendment), which phony "conservatives" tend to ignore when, for example, arguing that two men or two women have no "right" to be married?

A new poll released in May show Americans favor the pro-life view by an average of 14%.

I'm surprised that more aren't pro-life, since they're living and all. Now if the poll had asked them if they were anti-choice, that's another matter. That said, 80% also believed that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 at one point, and that he had WMD. Didn't make 'em anymore correct about that, now did it?

Good thing our Constitution isn't based on polls, eh?

Thanks for playing, genius. I'm sure you'll be back for another helping. Best of luck!

Liberals are the most intolerant people on earth. They are vile, godless, scum who deserve to die. If it were up to me I'd hang 'em all, and the scumbag who runs this website would be the first one to go.

I suggest you study history concerning the 3/5 clause. The purpose was to prevent more pro-slavery congressmen from getting into power, for while (hypocritically) blacks weren't considered people, they were counted in the population census. Thus, the founders decided that rather than count them as a full person, counting them as 3/5 would cut down the population of the slave-holding states, thus limiting pro-slavery congressmen. Just a little history lesson for ya, bud. Oh, by the way--the same Constitution ended importation of slaves.

Talking to the pro-abortion nuts is like talking to a brick wall. They knit-pick and can't refute people's arguments. I'll simply leave you with Fr. Pavone, who has put it best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDLN0PowN1Y

God help those who support baby-killing, and may we all continue to pray for the day when abortion is outlawed forever.

Good bye.

If it weren't for LIBERALS half 50% the right(wrong)& 75% of their folks would be dinning on Kennel Ration, Fancy Feast, Little Friskies and Alpo NOW!

Brad this is where I disagree with you. Of course, it's no more O'Reilly's fault when a lunatic takes action to murder someone the Fox host has targeted for years. I feel if this is true just change this to a theater that has an offensive performance and someone says that it is a good thing to burn the place down as fire has such a cleansing effect for years and then someone burns down the theater (yelling fire in a crowded theater) and then saying I did nothing wrong! Where and who is/are responsible?

[ed note: Comment deleted. No inciting violence. Period. --99]

I'm troubled by the entire article and thread. I'm essentially a pragmatic socialist, pro-choice, pro-free-speech citizen, and I know as a scholar that the bible is an anthology of stories that often contradict each other, and that it especially contradicts the pro-life movement's assertion that life begins at conception.

Bill O' Reilly, much as I loath his smug, pasty persona, is merely a media everywhiteman, Rush's pervy Jack Spratt. But if some crazy guy reading Bradblog frequently and obsessively decided to off Tom Feeney or the former CEO of Diebold based on the heated (even if slightly less so than target Bill's) rhetoric occasionally encountered here, would you be liable, Brad? No. I'm sorry, but finding O'Reilly's opinions credible is simply more evidence of the perp's insanity. The one who did it did it. I do hope O'Reilly feels guitly, though, if reptiles can emote outside the garden.

...no free speech either, obviously...

enjoy your soapbox, admin

[ed note: If you want to incite violence, you should do it on your own blog. We don't have many rules, and obviously let people say a lot of completely outrageous things, much of which makes me have to reach for my jug of ibuprofen too often. I'm sure you were only venting, being colorful, but you can't do it that way here. --99]

Here's the Test of M$M;

Will we see M$M Urinalist's with cameras and microphones flock around Bully Oreilly "our man ailes" merdox to get statements like fox goons ?

Could it just be that his name rhymes with killer and he lived in a vulnerable plart of the country ?
Yous Gotta Lotta Splainin Ta Do ...
~

"Liberals are the most intolerant people on earth."

Hmmm... We seem to be tolerating you alright ... Com'on in the water's fine just leave the Hate behind !

It's a pity Mrs. O'Reilly didn't have the foresight to have an abortion of her own many, many moons ago. A downright pity actually...

Ah Ha!!! Now I know where my room mate gets his brainwashing!!! It's sick websites like this. You people will say anything, distort any truth, spread any vile lie, to support your sick, vile views. It's trash like the daily Kos, the huffington post and blogs like this that really pervert the nation. Bill O'Reilly went after that murder because he was just that, a murderer. He just reported the facts, like when he goes after a liberal judge who lets some baby reaper off the hook. Tiller was A very sick man committing murder like a good little Nazi that he was. Don't despair fools, most of you will see him again, the sooner the better as far as I am concerned, you can all burn together.

For you God-believin' folks: if God wanted the babies alive, he'd inspire the mothers not to have abortions. Or he'd inspire more anti-choice zealots to volunteer to adopt the babies and take care of the expectant mothers in case of unwanted pregnancy.

As a side note, it's amazing to me how many people are suckered in by the hate-and-fear industry (otherwise known as the GOP, Faux News, and the "liberal" media) can't get past the sensationalism of these stories and get down to the point of it all - if we decided to take responsibility for one another and care of one another (like your precious imaginary Christ taught) - instead of looking for "evil" all the time, we might have a better chance of living happy and healthy lives.

Because who are we to judge evil? Read your bibles, bitches - it's not your job.

Of course, since I'm an non-believer, it's not at all hypocritical for me to tell you how to live your lives, because I don't submit to imaginary God's imaginary authority, and you do. I do believe we're all in this together, and the more we isolate ourselves, the more ignorance takes over and the more we have incidents like this. Dr. Tiller should not have been murdered - period.

I will be truly shocked if the person who committed this crime isn't a "pro-life" whack-job who is a huge fan of Fox News and Randall Terry.

But hey, unlike most zealot Christians, I'm okay with being wrong about things.

Tuesday, July 29, 2008
Rightwing Pundits Incite Rightwing Terrorist!

http://bigdanblogger.blo...ts-incite-rightwing.html

(the guy who shot the "liberals" at the "liberal church" last year)

Of Abortion, and Women as the Ultimate Source of Evil

The fetus only exists because of the woman's body --- not yours, not that of some possibly corrupt and stupid politician in Washington, and not the body of some possibly ignorant and venal politician in a state legislature. The right of the woman to control her own body when she is pregnant must be absolute up to the point of birth. In terms of the political theory involved, the basic question is a stark and simple one: if you cannot control your own body, what other rights can you possibly have? If your body is not yours, what does it matter if you can freely express your political and religious convictions? The principle involved is similarly simple: as long as you are not violating anyone else's rights, your right to control your own body is absolute. Period. For the reason indicated above, the fetus is not a person in the same sense the mother is: the fetus would not exist but for the woman who carries it. The woman's right to her own body must, in fact and in logic, take precedence over whatever rights you believe the fetus possesses, up to the time of birth.

http://powerofnarrative....d-women-as-ultimate.html

Just throwin' this in here...

Isn't it a "choice" to have sex? In that case, isn't pregnancy itself a "consequence" of that choice?

I'm just wonderin' since the people who call themselves "pro-choice" never seem to address the choice to have unprotected intercourse around the time of ovulation.

From Honoring Dr. George Tiller by Rebecca Young:

Dr. Tiller has always been a hero of mine. Here is a man who has dedicated his life to women's health, to providing legal services to women who need them and to treating his patients with dignity and respect. Here also is a dedicated father of four, grandfather of ten, husband and friend to many...

And now here is a man who has given his life for his work, murdered at his place of worship. No one should be killed simply for doing their job. No one should be singled out for a campaign of harassment and violence as Dr. Tiller was for years...

As one of only a handful of doctors in the United States who provide late term abortions, he has been a constant target of the fanatic anti-abortion movement. He has been shot in both arms. His clinic has been bombed. He and his family have suffered death threats. Yet he has persisted through all of this to serve those women who need him, who have nowhere else to turn. And that, my friends, is true courage.

This fitting tribute cuts through the dehumanizing propaganda that spills from the lips of right-wing demagogues like Bill O'Reilly. Their vicious propaganda is responsible in this case in the same manner that Nazi propaganda was responsible for the atrocities committed against Jews and racist propaganda during the Jim Crow period was responsible for the atrocities committed against African Americans.

Sad, that our friend Chris can't see that.

Ernest A. Canning

To those on both sides, who are alive and commenting on this article:
Allow me to point out the fact that if your mothers had taken the 'choice' that is now open to them, no one would be reading your letters, as you would not be alive to read them.Tiller was murdered.
So were the children, apparently by the thousands, that he 'terminated'.
There is no justification for either set of actions.

Tiller WAS a murderer! It wasn't just early terms, but LATE-TERM abortions. Those infants were living, when he murdered ghem. And to top it, the utter hypocrisy of having funereals for the dead baby.

So he played the game BOTH ways. He made money both ways.

I don't like O'Reilly, nor am I a christian, but O'R was right. Those WERE babies.

How many American children have been killed over the last 30 yrs.?

Tiller's time ran out.
Judged he was.
Tiller gone to Hell.
Now burning, burning, burning, an' teeth a knashin', noway out.

Karma.

When a woman spreads her legs open without
contraception,and later realizes what happens
when sperm impacts from one or more males
with her egg, and decides to terminate the
life of the thing growing inside her, she
is equally guity of murder as the one she goes
to, to operate the device that sucks that thinb
from her orifice.

Tiller was a soldier in the war for the right
of women to create and terminate at-will,
but don't forget that those women are
co-conspirators.

Bill O'Reilly's jihad against Dr. George Tiller
by Jed Lewison
Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 08:38:03 AM PDT
Since 2005, Bill O'Reilly has waged jihad against Dr. George Tiller, dedicating 29 segments of his show to demonizing and dehumanizing Tiller, who he invariably called "Tiller the baby killer."

As you can see from these video clip samplings of O'Reilly's holy war, you don't have to actually pull the trigger to help sponsor terrorism:

For more on Bill O'Reilly's holy war against Dr. Tiller, see Turkana's recommended diary and Gabriel Winant's article in Salon.

Comments
http://www.dailykos.com/...gainst-Dr.-George-Tiller

And would the christo-fascists plan similar terrorist plots if prop H8 gets overturned?

Noted Journalist Seymour Hersh says Cheney ran a hit list out of the vice pres office. Could he be connected to this murder covertly?

Its really sad, stupid and barbaric to glorify Tiller, making him into some sort of martyr.

He is a murderer. He profited from killing children.

I know women are allowed to get whatever they want, which includes killing other people whenever they feel sad or regretful. I know the slight majority of them vote for whoever gives them those "rights".

Almost all of us would be Nazi's in Nazi Germany. Don't kid yourself. The "wacko's" would be the ones trying to save the Jews.

Look @ it this way, a lot of babies are now safe for that baby killer! I don’t condone his murder, which is in itself is a sin, but what he was doing was killing the innocent!

To all you MORANS who posted after comment #100, I'll repeat:

Of Abortion, and Women as the Ultimate Source of Evil

The fetus only exists because of the woman's body --- not yours, not that of some possibly corrupt and stupid politician in Washington, and not the body of some possibly ignorant and venal politician in a state legislature. The right of the woman to control her own body when she is pregnant must be absolute up to the point of birth. In terms of the political theory involved, the basic question is a stark and simple one: if you cannot control your own body, what other rights can you possibly have? If your body is not yours, what does it matter if you can freely express your political and religious convictions? The principle involved is similarly simple: as long as you are not violating anyone else's rights, your right to control your own body is absolute. Period. For the reason indicated above, the fetus is not a person in the same sense the mother is: the fetus would not exist but for the woman who carries it. The woman's right to her own body must, in fact and in logic, take precedence over whatever rights you believe the fetus possesses, up to the time of birth.

http://powerofnarrative....d-women-as-ultimate.html

While the baby killing supporters are going nuts over thsi murder. 7 I repeat 7 people were murdered in the home town of our community organizer. Yea.. looks like all the money put into that project is really paying off. Don't forget to dedicate some time to all those people killed by gang violence.

Does that mean if you oppose gang violence and someone takes it into their own hands to kill a gang member then you are responsible for that death?

Get real. Besides if you were really concerned about the protection of life you would want the murder of children in the womb to stop - now wouldn't you? If you support abortion then you not only support but encourage the killing of innocent babies in the womb. Tiller was a killer. But that is not an excuse to murder him. I hope his killer gets the death penalty.

Here's a "MORANIC" rightwing statement that can be used against "MORANIC" rightwingers, their own statement:

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!

Abortion is LEGAL, killing is ILLEGAL!

I guess their simple statement against illegal aliens is only selective for their purposes.

Illegal is illegal...EXCEPT if it doesn't suit our purposes!

Dr. George Tiller (1941-2009): Murdered Abortion Provider Remembered for Lifelong Dedication to Women’s Reproductive Health

http://www.democracynow....iller_1941_2009_murdered

Imagine that, Pro life, pro family crowd willing to kill if you do not do as they say. One thing is for sure you sick fxxk people will be crushed. Time to stand up against the relegious terrorist in our country and smoke them out and get them on the run. I think tiller should have aborted most of the people here on this web site.

"Incitement to commit murder" is just that, incitement...BOR is guilty of that, many times over. I await the federal indictment of him on these charges.

I think that the only time abortion should be allowed is pregnancy by rape or if there is a horrible birth defect present. Otherwise, if you're going to have sex and don't want a baby then use protection or be ready to be a RESPONSIBLE human being, Not a murderer. Liberals ARE the cancer of America. You truly do not deserve to live in my country & push your perversions on us. Go to Israhell with the rest of the evil spawn of satan. You have the nerve to stick up for terrorists that wanna kill you and your families....OH, sorry! Most of you here probably don't have families because you murdered them before they could enter this world and have a voice!

i am always amazed when right wingers act like a woman would carry a child for 8 monthes and then on a whim decide to get an abortion,late term abortions are almost always done for medical necessity...and if it isn't a medical nec,do you really want a woman that cold and callus to raise a child?

the idea that most the county is pro life now is wrong....when those polls are done if you don't answer like the neo cons want you to,they hang up,then they present their phoney results as legit

as to the "peaceful protestors",the abortion clinics are also where the doctors cut out uterous cancer,that has been found early at planned parenthood for women that cannot afford "regular" medical care....my daughter was in college in kansas when her reg pap came back "bad" and she had to walk thru protestors that were hurling blood and insults as she went to get a procedure that would hopefully save her life......hope you are proud of yourself

boycotting anyone that advertises on fox is the best idea,in fact when a local company advertises on fox ,call them and let them know why you are boycotting them

no disrespect to the men on the board but until you grow a vagina,you shouldn't get a say in this either way

One last thing, Most of you are the same type of people that don't mind if illegal aliens invade America and stomp down your streets, making demands as you cower. The same type of people that look the other way as black crime is destroying our cities. The same type of people that would hand over everything that the white man has accomplished to violent thugs. THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING!

Comment by: Karen from Illinois
"the abortion clinics are also where the doctors cut out uterous cancer,"

Removing uterion cancer is far different than murdering your helpless child. A human life is priceless. What if your mother had selfishly decided to abort/murder you? I guess we wouldn't be having this conversation then, would we?

Big Dan. Go look at wikipedia. Evidently SEX REQUIRES BOTH A MAN AND A WOMEN!!!1!

Women make an implicit contract with their child that they will take it to term once they create it just as men are held responsible for their children whether or not they decide later they did not want to create the child.

You are completely ignoring the rights of the child the woman already agreed to create and also the rights of the man who has just as much at stake as the woman because he may have taken care of the woman based on her taking it to term and he will be required to pay child support if she does have the baby.

The child is not part of the woman's body. It has it's own organs, DNA, brain, thoughts and so forth.

It is identical to the version of itself that ends up being born. Children born early are not worth less as people nor are children born late worth more being more.

Privacy has nothing to do with it. If a woman wants to kill a child in the privacy of her home she is not allowed.

If she did not want to be in a situation where she wants to commit murder she should have planned ahead, something that abortion allows people to forego.

Wow! Nice clear headed people over here. Calling for O'Reilly's death in many e-mails. Equating Guantanamo with late term abortion (having bugs put on you vs getting your brain sucked out).

In a theater...."FIRE, FIRE, FIRE, RUN, RUN, FIRE"

"Tee Hee Hee...This is merica, I got da free speech"

Liberal.Liberal,Liberal,Liberal,Liberal,Liberal thats always the only argument you bastards have...Give it a rest, God, I'm so sick of it..

Sorry Brad Friedman. You either have a very poor memory or a very selective one. I agree that his murder is a heinous act. But Brad, will you agree with me that aborting fetuses almost 9 months old is also a heinous act. There is a reason that only 3 clinics in the entire country do it. So please don't make this guy out to be some kind of gift to womanhood.Spare me your lame platitudes. P.S Brad - see if you can post a comment without foul language. Pretty immature of you.

Agent 99. Sorry my misguided and uninformed friend. The left wings blogs had a field day when Tony Snow died. The fact that he was not murdered is a ridiculous premise you put forth. Reveling in the death of anyone is pathetic no matter what caused his demise.

I know it will come as a shock to the anti-abortion crowd, but under Anglo-American common law, the killing of an unborn fetus was not considered murder or even a homicide. Those legal words (homicide/murder) were reserved for the taking of a life after a live birth and prior to a natural death.

It says O'Reilly isn't responsible for what happened, and most would tend to agree; but there is a dangerous new law that could land him in jail - the Hate Bill. I'm sure they wouldn't use it against him. He's well-supported by a large branch of the mainstream media. But technically he could be charged under this bill as also responsible. Morally he is, but the Hate Bill sets a seriously questionable precedence for freedom of speech in general.

Why should a severely deformed fetus's be forced to live a life of HELL on earth or a Fetus that will die shortly after birth ... only to further break the hearts of LOVED ones This procedure is only done out of the most purest form LOVE nothing less.
This has been going since the dawn of man it is natural nature ... done in dark silence of night.
~

yes larry of the kkk,cutting out cancer is dif than abortion,that was my point,"peaceful protestors" harrass the docs and patients of both

again i will say, when you men grow vaginas,it will be your business until then,it is not

Bamboo Harvester:

You've got some interesting moral principles. Why don't you kill people who are deformed?

You seem to think that would be a good thing.

Ok, whenever deformed people are murdered you are responsible.

You are a sick sick individual who would fit right into to Nazi society seeing as how the first thing they did was go after handicapped people.

To imply that handicapped people should hate themselves or end their lives really means you are an evil sick freak like all pro-abortionists. You just take it into more obvious and easy to ridicule directions.

You think love means killing people? Well I hope you love yourself enough to do the right thing.

As an addendum to my previous post in which I noted that under Anglo/American common law the death of an unborn fetus was neither murder nor homicide, I would add that the concept that life begins at conception is a religious one, not a legal one.

The entire anti-abortion crusade is predicated on the unfortunate belief by religious fanatics that they have a right to force others to accept their religious doctrine.

This is not to say that a state has no right to regulate the issue. Under Roe v. Wade, the state has a legitimate interest during the third trimester, but it is troubling to see the likes of Bill O'Reilly trying to become judge and jury by declaring Dr. Tiller to be a "murderer" --- opening the door to a vigilante executioner.

What is so troubling about the many fanatic anti-abortion crowd posting here and elsewhere is that they have lost sight of the fact that we are a nation of laws. It is for our courts to determine whether a doctor has so much as violated our laws, let alone whether he or she is guilty of murder. O'Reilly's tirades are irresponsible journalism at its worse and a despicable incitement to the cold-blooded murder of Dr. Tiller.

Tries as you might, you cannot evade that basic truth.

Ernest A. Canning

Chris:

The problem with yelling Fire in a crowded theatre is that it is a lie which causes panic.

Calling abortion murder and abortionists murderers is obviously an opinion.

It happens to also be obviously true... however that is irrelevant.

Cann4ing:

Scientifically it is a fact that there is no difference between the baby in the womb and the baby outside of it. The woman's uterus is just a container.

Scientifically we've found far more evidence than ever before that the baby acts just like a baby inside the womb.

The religious dogma is that of feminism allowing woman to murder because it is just what happens to be convenient sometimes. Ya, murder is sometimes convenient, that is why it is generally against the law. If it wasn't convenient no one would ever do it.

You cannot call an opinion an incitement of an act. You cannot call into question free speech if it isn't a direct lie making someone think an action is necessary.

The fact is he killed babies and was killed by someone for it. That someone will go to jail and yet none of this is relevant to whether or not murder (abortion) should be called murder.

It is murder and will be called murder.

Evan

Well I hope you love yourself enough to do the right thing.

...and what is the right thing since ya seen to know me so well ?

evan, and i say this with all the respect it entails though my message will probably be deleted, f**k you for calling my uterus a container for a baby - when that fetus is attached to my body by an umbilical cord and thus must seek nourishment and all other life sustenance from me then it is NOT the same as a baby already outside the womb - there is no squalling baby without woman first carrying it and then giving birth to it --- let it be known that ALL these antichoice comments on all the blogs i have been on today make very little mention of the father of these aborted fetuses and the mistakes they made that caused the unwanted pregnancy in the first place, its always the woman, the woman, the woman --- well, its no surprise why women (even those that work) are still the primary care giver of children in this country --- it is STILL our responsiblity and thus we will do what we see fit with our own bodies

Evan
Did I make you a little uncomfortable in that you projected all your baggage on to me ?
~

earnest said,

"As an addendum to my previous post in which I noted that under Anglo/American common law the death of an unborn fetus was neither murder nor homicide, I would add that the concept that life begins at conception is a religious one, not a legal one.

The entire anti-abortion crusade is predicated on the unfortunate belief by religious fanatics that they have a right to force others to accept their religious doctrine."

well said but their religious arguement is wrong too because adam was only a lump of clay until God blew the breath of life into him

[ed note: Comment deleted. Evan, please read the rules and try again to have a civil disagreement, thank you. --99]

Bamboo Harvester:

Are you saying that I am projecting my hatred of deformed people onto you?

Umm, I don't dislike deformed people. I think it is up to they themselves whether they live or not.

That is just my opinion, I happen to not be a Nazi. The opinions you expressed just happen to align closely with the National Socialist party of WWII Germany.

What can I say?

Part of my point is that just because it is popular to be pro-choice doesn't mean its not absolutely terrible.

Bamboo Harvester:

All I was saying about doing the right thing was that if you think it is the right thing to kill people you love, I think you should kill yourself.

That's just my opinion. Don't hold me accountable for your choice if you happen to follow your own ideology to its logical conclusion.

[ed note: Comment deleted. Larry, please read the rules and make your points in a civil manner. Thank you. --99]

Another thing looney-toon liberal Karen, is that just because the fetus is inside the womans body doesn't give said woman the right to murder another human being just because the baby has to exit her vagina. That's like saying that just because someone didn't take their crazy medication that they have the right to kill themselves or others. Someone with a conscience has to step in assure a moral decision when the other person is clearly mentally unfit.

evan - i will not even respond to most of your post cause its pretty unremarkable - i am glad you agree only the woman has a real say in bringing a fetus to term, congrats on that bit of truth

"The man will also have to spend a large portion of his life paying for the child in some cases even if the child is not biologically his."

---as he should! regarding men paying for children that are not biologically theirs, it does not happen a lot and is usually in the case of a man who was already caring for that child long before he found out it wasnt his, as such, it does not matter that the child is not biologically his as he was the father

biased family courts fathers should financially care for their children, if they wanted to step up and be primary care giver, then they should fight for it and then if the mother works she'd be paying child support - when a couple with children separate, the man becomes single and the woman becomes a single mother - it isnt the courts that decree this so dont kid yourself there buddy

a father should contribute money to the rearing of his child

i dont have to worry about being arrested for making a private decision to have a medical procedure because abortion is legal

(and just to bring some levity to this discourse, i do not have to attach a hose from my body to my whom to sustain life while i am inside of it either...genius lol)

"Ow My Balls" now out in blog form (go away, 'baitin')

Evan, then using the logic that it's ok for a responsible adult has the right to end their life in the case of deformity pain etc. then that same guardian has the right to do the same within any part of the vessel that is their own body.
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"sing on brother, play on drummer ... heal on physician"
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ML @ 92 asked:

if some crazy guy reading Bradblog frequently and obsessively decided to off Tom Feeney or the former CEO of Diebold based on the heated (even if slightly less so than target Bill's) rhetoric occasionally encountered here, would you be liable, Brad?

First, I haven't argued O'Reilly's "liability" in the matter, but rather reported on how he'd demonized Tiller over and over as a "killer" who "executes babies", etc.

Second, we have never demonized either Feeney or Diebold as "killers" in any way. We have reported on independently verifiable information concerning the way they have conducted business. Where O'Reilly repeatedly used ad hominem accusations that Tiller was committing violent acts of murder, and "exterminations" (which would be illegal), without supplying evidence for same, he was doing little more than enflaming his base with incitement to take violent action in response, as I see it.

To equate substantive reportage on folks accused of breaking the law, or behaving irresponsibly, versus declaring someone akin to a Nazi exterminator carrying out an active "death mill" seems a tremendous stretch as far as I see it. Not even close, in fact.

And, btw, I am always extremely careful with whatever I write here for the few thousand folks who read it (versus the millions who tune in to O'Reilly on a daily basis) to be careful about inciting anyone to acts of violence. Though I have the tiniest fraction of the audience that O'Reilly does, I'm constantly extremely careful in that regard, often obsessive about it, in fact. O'Reilly has shown absolutely no similar inclination.

As they say in Spider-Man, with power comes responsibility. I have not seen evidence that Bill O'Reilly has any understanding of that very correct point.

Brad ~ It's not ok to attack others but it's ok ME?
If that ain't bias I don't know what is moderator! Have some Intellectual Integrity!
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[ed note: Did I miss someone calling you an awful name? Point it out, and I'll address the problem. --99]

[ed note: Please, please make your comment again, WITHOUT insulting the other commenters. Thank you. --99]

Evan

The point about aborting horribly deformed fetuses is that they would most probably be unable to live outside the womb, and that the life of the mother is at stake if brought to term. That is purely life saving, and your suggestion that this is "sick" is extremely ill-considered.

We're not talking about hare lips, or missing toes or fingers, or even missing or malformed limbs.

Moderator Explain Post #131 ?
[ed note: Did I miss someone calling you an awful name? Point it out, and I'll address the problem. --99]
COMMENT #131 [Permalink]
... Evan said on 6/1/2009 @ 12:25 pm PT...

Bamboo Harvester:

You've got some interesting moral principles. Why don't you kill people who are deformed?

You seem to think that would be a good thing.

Ok, whenever deformed people are murdered you are responsible.

You are a sick sick individual who would fit right into to Nazi society seeing as how the first thing they did was go after handicapped people.

To imply that handicapped people should hate themselves or end their lives really means you are an evil sick freak like all pro-abortionists. You just take it into more obvious and easy to ridicule directions.

You think love means killing people? Well I hope you love yourself enough to do the right thing.

[ed note: Right. I went back and looked harder at this polemicizing and I think that one is borderline because it seems more a reflection of Evan's misguided notions of what is meant by horribly "deformed" fetuses. As a pro at dishing out borderline and not so borderline blanket insults, I would have to say you're being pretty thin-skinned, here. --99]

Corporate media, needs to be forced by the FCC to make it's public file available to the public online.

Then this
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
Can be applied to remove the DANGEROUS CULT'S POWER SOURCE--our airwaves.

And I have to take an unpopular side. It isn't Bill O'Reilly who commit the murder. (It's called Murder, not Terrorism.) If I had to be on a jury in Bill O'Reilly's case, I would simply wait to see if he had gun shot residue on his hands, dna from a bloody knife, no? Nullification time.

People have choice. You don't have to become a psychopathic murderer.

As far as inciting people to acts of violence, it's questionable.

What if doctors and cops starting rounding people up forcing them to take vaccines? Vaccines which are known to kill people and destroy their brain? Would that be domestic terrorism?

It'sad only a few years ago, all these types of comments would be considered mis-communications, or elevating it to something to be sued over or worst investigated. Perhaps an apology being only needed at the first level. (maybe the person was drunk) Now with the Constitution gone anyone who speaks their mind (even if it's misguided) is labeled a terrorist in some secret database.

It's obvious the FCC needs an overhaul. A way for feedback to have teeth into America's most dangerous cult --- Corporate Media.

And the whole web/internet crackdown on misguided posts, needs to simply be moderated with common sense, by the owners of the blogs, instead of dictated to by government. Word of mouth will quickly isolate those who we all deem as "too much", "over the top." They shoot their own foot.

It's a skill set very few have anymore. Brad seems to get it right here in this thread, he knows his limits.

It's getting to the point where if you "wish
someone dead" your basically saying you want them dead. Utter nonsense.

While I defend O'Reilly here, as he has a right to be an idiot, I also believe it's ultimately the woman's right to choose --- not men, and I also believe we have a right to ban the asshole from our "public spectrum", as well as a right to label corporate media what it is.

"A dangerous cult."

Ignoring the criminal part of what has happened, should we not be working our ass's off to hold corporate media responsible by controlling the grant or denial of a frequency, and station?

Public File's MUST be made available online to American citizens by all broadcast media.

(I can't wait to see all my typos)

Agent99:

He wasn't saying that the mother's life was at stake. You are putting words in his mouth. If the mother's life is at stake that is something different, however that was not what he said, and RARELY is the mother's life at stake

BambooHarvester:

"Evan, then using the logic that it's ok for a responsible adult has the right to end their life in the case of deformity pain etc. then that same guardian has the right to do the same within any part of the vessel that is their own body."

I never said that I accepted your premise that a baby is part of the mother. That is actually an unscientific view only put forth before anyone knew about genetics or could look inside the womb.

"evan - i will not even respond to most of your post cause its pretty unremarkable - i am glad you agree only the woman has a real say in bringing a fetus to term, congrats on that bit of truth"

I don't I meant it in the way that in our society only women have the choice. Men have no say, but men should if women can. I think neither should have the ability to do it though.

"The man will also have to spend a large portion of his life paying for the child in some cases even if the child is not biologically his."

"---as he should! regarding men paying for children that are not biologically theirs, it does not happen a lot and is usually in the case of a man who was already caring for that child long before he found out it wasnt his, as such, it does not matter that the child is not biologically his as he was the father"

How can you say that? If the crime went undetected for a long time then what the mother did was even worse. To say that fraud is ok as long as the fraudster gets away with it is preposterous.

"biased family courts fathers should financially care for their children, if they wanted to step up and be primary care giver, then they should fight for it and then if the mother works she'd be paying child support - when a couple with children separate, the man becomes single and the woman becomes a single mother - it isnt the courts that decree this so dont kid yourself there buddy"

The point about biased family courts is that they actually do almost always rule in favor of the mother. I know you don't care, but don't be ignorant.

"a father should contribute money to the rearing of his child"

Well, he has like absolutely no say in whether or not it is born after it is conceived so why can't he just say until it actually is born that he doesn't want it anymore and that if the woman wants to go through with it she can but he won't have any financial responsibility? Oh I know why we can't do that, we can't do it because it doesn't unfairly discriminate in favor of women.

"i dont have to worry about being arrested for making a private decision to have a medical procedure because abortion is legal"

It is not a medical procedure anymore than shooting someone is. It is legal, but it should be illegal.

"(and just to bring some levity to this discourse, i do not have to attach a hose from my body to my whom to sustain life while i am inside of it either...genius lol) "

You eat food out of it.

You breath the air inside of it. It is really a similar thing. An even better analogy though would be an astronaut since they actually do have tubes attached and such.

Of course, I wouldn't want to use that analogy. Why would you care about something that doesn't affect you? After all, you can't picture yourself inside a womb getting your brains sucked out.

Rarely is anyone who experienced anything like that going to come out and give their say on it.

(Ahem)

PUBLIC FILES FORCIBLY MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE TO ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, BY THE FCC, FOR ALL BROADCAST MEDIA.

(Ahem)
Dear Broadcasters on the public spectrum, you got money for the atsc/dtv equipment transition, YOU HAVE MONEY TO MAKE A DATABASE TO HOLD PUBLIC COMMENTS ON YOUR EXISTING WEBSITES

subtitles - check
Digital transition PSA - check
Emergency Broadcast System (EBS) - check
electronic programming guide (EPG) - check
streaming media - check
data caps for public - check
data uncapped for programming - check
public website - check
protection (requiring registration) on website (a place to seed propaganda without undesirable public feedback) - check
static blogs (one directional communication) - check
public file online - Fail Bzzzzzzttt..

I forgot email contacts going to /dev/null - check

Thin skinned are you kidding !... the writing is on the wall...enough is enough ... I don't need this shit any more!

Evan wrote:

Scientifically it is a fact that there is no difference between the baby in the womb and the baby outside of it.

______________________________

Really? So if a fetus that has been in utero for two months is removed from the womb, it can breathe and survive off its mother's breast milk?

If you are going to make illogical claims about science, Evan, you might try backing them up with a link to a scientific journal.

Next, when Bill O'Reilly or any other commentator said that Dr. Tiller was a murderer, they are no longer "merely expressing an opinion." It is a factual claim that the targeted individual --- here Dr. Tiller --- has committed a crime. If untrue, the statement is not "protected" free speech, but, instead, amounts to libel.

Let's consider just the second graphic in which O'Reilly describes Dr. Tiller as a baby killer. If, legally, there was no difference between a baby after birth and a late term abortion, then Dr. Tiller would have been indicted by the relevant authorities for murder I and brought before the bar of justice. The fact that Dr. Tiller had performed the procedure for over a span of years reflects that, in the eyes of the law, there is a very real difference between a late-term abortion and the premeditated killing of a baby after its live birth.

Yet O'Reilly took it on himself to be judge and jury, and, predictably, a nut case out there who listened to his tripe, took matters into his own hands.

You can't set a match to a fuse then claim you are blameless when the bomb goes off.

Ernest A. Canning

Here's Democracy Now!'s tribute to Dr Tiller:

http://www.democracynow....iller_1941_2009_murdered

Golly Brad, this'll no doubt help the Government, with Jewish media complicity, to pass "hate crimes" legislation, which will include "hate speech" provisions, that'll shut down all criticism of Jewry and Zionism won't it. Brad, you've exposed yourself to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

Golly, Curt, you're basing that on what? Brad's last name? And whatever makes you reach so far off topic to make this lame accusation? Hmm?

The story itself, i.e. abortionist AKA murderer of tens of thousands of babies, is shot down while attending his church. LOL, that's almost too much, and a big clue that the "Big Lie" is at work. Only the ADL/SPLC/Mossad is capable of setting this up, knowing that their co-ethnics in the media will "run with it." What Christian church would have among its members an abortionist? What kind of abortionist would attend a Christian church?

Abortionists terminate the lives of babies for the purpose of making money. They're not on some "holy crusade" murdering unborn children for Jesus. Jews can be abortionists, Christians can't period.

I'm glad to see all the free speech here. Wow, 165 comments, is that some kind of a record?

How can people who claim to revere life not revere a woman's life when threatened by a pregnancy?

How can people who claim to revere life decide that in certain circumstances it's ok to terminate a pregnancy but only when some authority other than the pregnant woman herself makes the call?

How can people who claim to revere life be willing to force a woman to continue a pregnancy that is a result of violence or incest?

How can people who claim to revere life be eager to subject an unwilling pregnant woman to what amounts to forced servitude and risks to her physical and mental health in order to preserve a group of cells?

How can people who claim to revere life be so eager to preserve a pregnancy at all costs without regard to the violence done to the woman and the child when born into a life of grinding poverty?

Hypocrites.

How come pro-choice proponents never mention what generally happens to women AFTER they get an abortion? HHow come they never mention the regret, the emotional pain, the guilt, the lifetime spent on anti-depressants. II can't tell you how many childless "successful" women I have encountered in myy life, that obtained abortions in their youth, that would give it ALL [All of their material bullshit acquired since that fateful decision] away, just to hold that baby in their arms and love it for a minute.

I laugh at you fools, go out and get some, murder your babies for a taste of materialism, reject Christ, worship the Jew.

One-third of all women in the US will have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old (a statistic reported by Planned Parenthood).

I expect that some of them will have regrets.

I expect that some mothers who carry their babies to term will also have regrets.

Depression is found in both groups.

I have known women who had abortions and, while they expressed regret, mainly they felt relieved.

I fervently hope that any materialistic baby-murderer is brought to justice. I am certain that those who seek and provide abortions do not fall into this category. I am equally certain that rejecting Christ and worshipping the Jew (mutually exclusive activities when you consider Jesus' background) have nothing whatever to do with the topic.

Abortion is mercy killing.

Legalize mercy killing by medical provider,
to cover any point in a human lifetime - from minus 9 months,all the way to plus 109 years.

The world is over-populated with Moranies,
so it would be a good thing.

PS - Yes, Cheney has a hit list. Colonel
Ted Westheusing was on it, among many
other whistleblowers. Perhaps Cheney
considers it 'mercy killing'.

Notice, no anti-choicers will address/dispute the points in this article I posted above:

Of Abortion, and Women as the Ultimate Source of Evil

The fetus only exists because of the woman's body --- not yours, not that of some possibly corrupt and stupid politician in Washington, and not the body of some possibly ignorant and venal politician in a state legislature. The right of the woman to control her own body when she is pregnant must be absolute up to the point of birth. In terms of the political theory involved, the basic question is a stark and simple one: if you cannot control your own body, what other rights can you possibly have? If your body is not yours, what does it matter if you can freely express your political and religious convictions? The principle involved is similarly simple: as long as you are not violating anyone else's rights, your right to control your own body is absolute. Period. For the reason indicated above, the fetus is not a person in the same sense the mother is: the fetus would not exist but for the woman who carries it. The woman's right to her own body must, in fact and in logic, take precedence over whatever rights you believe the fetus possesses, up to the time of birth.

http://powerofnarrative....d-women-as-ultimate.html

Besides, I have a solution:

The anti-choicers can do all of the following, and there will be no more abortions:

Adopt the baby and care for it, buy food, educate it, etc...everything. The anti-choicers, that is, have to do that. They'll do that, right? And health care.

I GUARANTEE you, when $$$ is involved, they'll RUN!!! Go ahead! Have the abortion! If we have to pay any $$$, screw it!!!

Guess what? You can do that NOW! Nothing's stopping you! How many of the anti-choicers have done this? How many have CONVINCED someone not to have an abortion, because they will take the baby, raise it, give it health care, education, etc...everything?

NONE of you hypocrites!

Why do you need abortion outlawed? If you have such a good point, can't you just CONVINCE women not to have abortions? Why not? Because you need a law to FORCE your views on them! Because you HAVE NO ARGRUMENT! Otherwise, you could simply CONVINCE them, right? Why can't you convince them? Why HAVEN'T you ever convinced women not to have abortions? You must have a lousy argument on your side, that's why you want a law to FORCE your views on everyone else!

I always thought that: if you have such a compelling argument, why can't you, case by case, one on one, convince a woman NOT to have an abortion? You make perfect sense, right? Then you shouled be able to convince women not to have abortions WITHOUT a law!

Also, don't forget about my proposal: tell the woman, as part of your convincing, as a last straw let's say, that you will adopt the baby (black, maybe...hispanic...), raise it, feed it, provide health care, and pay for a college education for the kid.

Whoops! I forgot! You get off the train when the baby's born! That's where it ends for you! You'll be first in line to veto health care for children or head start cuts!

Brad: you should contact an anti-choicer on this thread, on the up and up, and tell them you will aid them adopting a baby. Help them convince a woman who's having an abortion, NOT to have the abortion, because you will adopt it, provide for it, etc...put your money where your mouth is! Reality is a little different than religious "theory". No one in this thread will do this. I guarantee it.

One last thing: it doesn't stop at abortion with these people, it leads to the BAN OF BIRTH CONTROL! That's their end game? How many of the people above, the anti-choicers, are also against birth control?

[ed note: Comment deleted. curt, please read our rules for commenting, and follow them. You can simply introduce your subject and give a link to the material. Do not copy and paste large sections of text. Thank you. --99]

Since we've chosen to ignore common sense, I might as well make sure my thoughts about Abortion are thrown into the next 2000 years of war and insanity by the brainwashed and non free thinking. ( I mean you just ignored my thoughts about the FCC and public spectrum COMPLETELY! --not Brad..)

The fact of the situation is, no matter what the fuck the LAW is and what the fuck you BELIEVE, a woman can decide to do what ever the fucking hell she WANTS to do.

JUST LIKE you have god given rights to defend yourself against threats to your LIFE and FAMILY. So too, it's a woman's choice. It's a GOD given right and LAW/STATE and RELIGION matters not.

Now if any of you RATIONAL people want to get back to the REAL problems in America. . FASCISM. FELONY THEFT, MURDER.

Or we can just create a fucking cesspool of chaos and shit. Perhaps Extermination should be on your mind next. How should we die? Vaccines? Military? Nuke? Gas? Fire? Assignation? Explosion? Civil War?

to Baby Killers, ie., women and their accomplises:

Sow the Wind, Reap the Whirwind. You'll be judged by a higher authority than any human, and you are the ones that will live with it forever.

After reading the thread I just reaalized that none of you are people: You are leftist, lefties, righties, anti-choicers, choicers, hypocrites, truthers, liars, fundies, libs, neocons, zealots, righteous, murderers, misguided, santctimonius, insaned, brainwashed, non-free thinking ...

O'Reilly targeted an INDIVIDUAL who was acting within the law, instead of targeting the law and the politicians who make and can change it.
That is why O'Reilly is justifiably criticized. O'Reilly's behavior takes him partly into a gray area toward violent vigilantism. So many public statements by "religious" people have implicitly and explicitly urged such violence; all on the laughable idea that there are God-given souls that enter the egg at the same moment the winning sperm enters.
Those who do not respect the rule of law are not worthy of my respect.

Listen, no pro-lifer condemns the actions of one crazy lunatic. We are pro-life, so by definition we aren't going to execute a man no matter how many babies he killed. His judgment day has already come. I wonder if he woould like a glass of ice water about right now.

In response to the numerous comments which repeat the slanderous lie that Dr. Tiller was "a baby killer," I will repeat part of my comment submitted in response to Brad's excellent follow-up piece:

A comment by Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, underscores why anti-abortion fanatics don't have a clue:

Pro-life leaders and the pro-life movement are not responsible for George Tiller’s death. George Tiller was a mass murderer and, horrifically, he reaped what he sewed.

Dr. Tiller was not "a murderer" or a "baby killer"--not in the eyes of the law which does not regard an unborn fetus as a "baby." As Keith Olbermann observed last night on "Countdown":

Two months ago, Dr. Tiller acquitted on charges he performed illegal late term abortions. In 2003 Kansas law permitted late term abortions when two independent doctors agree a pregnant woman would be irreparably harmed by giving birth --- abortion in this country legal for the past 36 years.

While O'Reilly cannot be prosecuted for his remarks, his repeated efforts to dehumanize Dr. Tiller by falsely accusing him of the crime of "baby killing" (which, if performed after a live birth and premeditated would have subjected the perpetrator to a first degree murder charge) is a vicious libel.

It is disingenuous for Terry & O'Reilly to now try and distance themselves from an act of domestic terrorism their despicable slanders encouraged --- the same type of hate speech that brought out wing-nuts shouting "kill him" (with reference to our President) at Sara Palin rallies.

You can't play self-appointed judge and jury in falsely convicting someone of a crime, then deny responsibility when a wing-nut vigilante carries out the sentence. You can't light a fuse and then claim you are blameless when the bomb goes off.

Ernest A. Canning
Attorney at Law

THE HARM DONE TO MANY, BY THE ACTIONS ON ONE . THE DOCTOR PROVIDED A NEEDED SERVICE, THAT SOME LADIES PAID FOR . THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF BABIES ON THE PLANET AT THIS WRITING . BOTH ITALY AND JAPAN HAVE DECREASED THEIR OVERALL BIRTH RATES TO SOME DEGREE, EACH NATION BY THE CHOICE OF THEIR CITIZENS . STILL THERE ISN`T A SHORTAGE OF BABIES IN EITHER NATION . EACH LIFE IS IMPORTANT, AFTER THE BIRTHING STAGE . PRIOR TO, WELL, THERE IS STEM CELL RESEARCH, AND THAT NEW CLONING THING, AND THIS LIST DOES GET MUCH LONGER WITH THE ADVENT OF ALL ADDED TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATIONS . YOU CAN NOW GET A SMALL VISION OF WHERE THIS COULD GO . AN THIS KILLER COMES ALONG AND TAKE DR.TILLER`S LIFE . THE DO GOODERS THAT POINT /ED FINGERS GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AFTER YOU HAVE VIEWED AND UNDERSTOOD ALL THE TOPICS THAT ARE FACTUAL .

Only someone who is feeling guilty about their own participation leading up to the assasination of Dr. Tiller would defend Bill O'Reilly. I hope the Tiller family sues O'Reilly for his entire forture, acquire through hate, lies and slander.

I don't understand how anyone can compare the killing of an unborn child with a convicted death row inmates death sentence. It seems about as intelligent as comparing a sexually perverted life style to a minority race. How insulting! Let's get back on our feet and off of or heads so maybe we can start thinking clearly for a while.

[ed note: Racist comment deleted. Okay, curt, you had your chance. Good-bye. --99]

Giving the power to the govt to prevent abortions, is the same power to force people to have only 1 kid. It's a slippery slope.

What's to say, if you give the govt the power to stop abortions, they won't turn around and say: "We're switching: now you can have only one kid. We're too overpopulated."

Bill O'Reilly murders truth everyday. What are progressives going to do about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGgj0VeoQ

Thank god the baby killer can never kill again! Thanks Bill O'Reilly.

I wonder what's going on, behind the curtain, while all of you are bickering about your own personal ideas of abortion. More land for Israel to give up to the Palestinians? Maybe...

Anyway...
For those that want to say that 'you are not alive until God breathes life into you at birth', let me take you to Jeremiah 1:5(now, to understand this, you have to understand that God is the same today, yesterday, and forever. God changes not. If you don't know this, then you should read the Bible, and not try and preach what you don't know.): "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." Since God is omniscient, knows everything, knows the beginning and the end, it only stands to reason that he has known EVERYONE (caps for emphasis) BEFORE they were born. Before they were even thought of by earthly parents, even...
Satan has done his work well, planting the seeds of self-love and self-godliness. Wouldn't hurt a few of you to crack open a Bible. Just make sure it's a King James version.

Oh yes, let me add this. I used to think like most of you 'far-left nutcases'. I used to be pro-choice. I used to have the 'To each his own' mentality. Unlike most of you, I have woken up, accepted Christ as my Lord and personal savior, and realized that what it all boils down to, is we weren't ever meant to live in a society as horrid and objectionable as the one we live in today. We were created for a specific purpose, and that purpose is to glorify God. Since the serpent in the Garden of Eden, we never had a chance, until Jesus Christ came and died for us, to wash us clean of all sin (lawlessness for clarification).

I don't expect many of you to understand that... you'll all be glued to your TV's(idolatry?) come the end of this month anyhow, when we go digital nationwide. Enjoy your new level of brainwashing, courtesy of HAARP and the Sound of Silence technology. At least then, you'll have no worries about some stupid doctor getting his just deserts somewhere in the country.

Oh and um, did you all hear about that guy who owns the most abortion clinics in California? Yeah, his family was in a plane that crashed in a cemetary that had a tomb dedicated to all the unborn children. Irony much? God's ways are not our ways.

Another comment... I notice that 'Dr' Tiller was shot in his church? Well, 1 Peter 4:17 in the Bible
tells us: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

What is the gospel of God? His Word, the Bible. I also recall that someone up top mentioned there's no law in the bible against abortion... but there is. No, it doesn't specifically mention 'abortion', but prohibiting child sacrifice of any sort, would sort of encompass abortion, don't you think? Here's the first of 9 (NINE) references of the abomination of child sacrifice: Deut.18:10 - "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch." There are 8 other references to this act in the Bible.

O'Reilly didn't cause this idiot to kill Tiller, the idiot did himself. By the reasoning of most of you on the left, if O'Reilly got murdered, it would be Keith Olbermann's fault because of the almost daily rants he gives on MSNBC.

I realize that most of you are obsessively bitter and angry towards any opinions that don't line up with liberal ideals and look for any excuse to demonize those who disagree with you, but try — for once — to actually blame the person COMMITTING THE CRIME, rather than use the murder as an excuse to further attack your ideological enemies.

Yeah... I know. It's impossible.

O'Reilly didn't cause this idiot to kill Tiller

Red Herring. Reasonable Liberals ... and anyone who thinks murder is wrong .... do not believe O'Reilly "caused" the murder anymore than the person shouting FIRE in a theater causes fires. But both O'Reilly and the fire shouter "incite imminent lawless action."

Last time I looked that's against the law ...

O'Reilly at the very least flirts with unlawful speech. And his supporters or ideological comrades either support those flirting with the law or commit murder in churches.

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

So who is 'authorized' to render judgment? God or Man?

[And when will Man stop thinking we are God?]

"I used to think like most of you 'far-left nutcases'. I used to be pro-choice. I used to have the 'To each his own' mentality. Unlike most of you, I have woken up, accepted Christ as my Lord and personal savior,....."

I'm one of those 'far-left nutcases' who has accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior. And it's too bad many of us Christians hold onto the old destructive ways .... incite violence, use hateful speech.

I just know that when visited by the Holy Spirit you usually change the way you talk to others ... hateful speech, looking down on others etc ... seems not the way of Christ but the way of Man we leave behind.

Something else seems clear .... the Old Testament and the message of Christ in the New Testament sometimes send different messages. When there appears to be a conflict between the two, Christians must sometimes decide whether they want to follow the Word of Christ and walk with Christ, or follow the Word as it was Given BEFORE Christ.

The path Hebrews followed before Christ was different in many ways from the path Christ later offered Hebrews and the world. The Old Testament cites are relevant in a before-Christ(B.C.) kind of way. But as a Christian my thinking is more in line with the Word of Christ, and the New Testament.

ABORTION DOCTOR SLAIN
A personal story may give a little perspective

Regarding the murder of Dr. George Tiller, the antiabortion zealots would like everyone to think late-term abortions are never performed for a good reason. (The woman's life, health and wellbeing and severe fetal defects are not considered good reasons.)

Perhaps a real-life example will help everyone (at least the decent people) understand this issue.

When I was five-and-a-half months pregnant, I started filling up with huge amounts of fluid. The doctor said it indicated a severe fetal abnormality. Since I was a devout Catholic, abortion was not even considered.

I spent the next two and a half months in considerable physical and mental pain. At eight months, the doctor said there was no point in continuing the pregnancy and the suffering I was enduring, so he decided to induce labor. If the fetus was actually OK, the slightly premature birth would do no harm.

A cute red-haired baby girl, looking quite healthy, was born, although weighing only 4 pounds. An examination showed her esophagus was solid instead of hollow and her intestines were just a fibrous mass. She could not eat. It took her a few days to starve to death.

Late-term abortions are performed to prevent such needless tragedies.

MARIE ALENA CASTLE, MINNEAPOLIS

This is a WinterBand song called:
"Where Babies Come From"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgz3r3okubo

I guess we would be more of the "Pro Innocent Life" group. I guess the question must be "Is a murderer of babies really a murderer".

Bro. Winter

Amazing- you "people" hate O'Reilly so much you spend all you time despising him and glorify a murdering lowlife like Tiller.

No wonder the country is in such a mess - you folks are sick