Wonder if it's a pro-Chavez Venezuelan company... probably not.... Well... wait... I could actually READ the article!

Wow... nice and muddy. Conservatives with a little backing from the Liberal government.... The possibilities are endless. Right now, I'd rather have Chavez tampering with our elections than the Republicans. That is: if someone simply MUST ruin our democracy, I'd rather it was someone who gave a damn about the little guy.

I'd be really curious to know Bradblog's response to this statement from "The Coming Ballot Meltdown" article in the Nation Magazine (June 28, 2006):
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060717/gumbel

"Granted, there are those who have insisted since election day that John Kerry was robbed of Ohio's twenty Electoral College votes, and with them the presidency. That argument, though, is almost certainly a stretch, since Bush's official margin of victory of 120,000-odd votes is just too big to be explained away with any confidence. Certainly, most seasoned election observers in Ohio, as well as veterans of the earnest but disorganized Kerry field campaign, tend to dismiss it. (A 30,000 vote margin, given the multiplicity of the reported problems, might have been a very different story.)"

Adam

I think you're going to meet with a lot of resistance to your #3 here. The GAO even gave the win to Kerry, if my feeble memory serves me, and this site is absolutely chock-a-block with information that puts the lie to the quote you cite here, eh?

I am disappointed with The Nation magazine. How can they make such a baseless pronouncement?

I think Adam was quoting from the Nation Agent 99

So yes, we do all disagree with that :8 :C

How do I make the smiley, oh well

There it is!!!! :crazy:

What ... is there a new wave starting?

Check out this story about how the MSM is changing like the DNC is as announced by Brad:

Dressed in black and their mouths taped shut, reporters and staff of the Santa Barbara News-Press staged a protest Friday over a recent wave of resignations at the newspaper.

More than 300 supporters roared with applause and shouts when about 25 News-Press employees emerged from the newspaper's Spanish-style landmark building and walked to a microphone in an adjacent park.

Reporter Melinda Burns said newspaper staffers have been ordered not to speak about internal operations and were threatened with dismissal if they did.

"We are very sorry we can't speak, but thank you for coming," she said, stepping away from the microphone as members of the group put duct tape over their mouths. Many in the crowd hoisted signs, including ones that read: "Free the News" and "No More News Suppress."

http://www.editorandpubl...nu_content_id=1002840039

Dred, That protest was about not being able to write about the publisher getting a DWI. It's a start. As to The Nation publishing that article...they are dirty..as well as Kos, Americablog, Crooks and Liars, and Firedoglake. Crooksandliars as well as firedoglake had to put up articles about election fraud within the last couple of months with the qualifier"I don't know much about this subject." Kos banned me for writing "Did you take Diebold money?" and discouraging election fraud discussion. Americablog came out against McKinny calling her a nutjob for supporting Palestine. Today, he is saying we should bomb Syria and Iran. Lots of republicans posing as liberals. You can tell by their stance on Israel. Israel is a military outpost to protect big oil. It has nothing to do with Christianity or repubs being christian. I'm thinking the dems. are very divided now but trying to cover it up. They were more against Dean than Bush. So, I'm hoping he is o.k. He was against the war in Iraq. To me, this shows where their loyalties lie. Big oil or US. Ed Shultz FOR Israel bombing their neighbors.RRhodes said he was fired from air america for taking dem. money.Lieberman taking choicepoint money...who was a big player in the 2000 election. Was that campaign money or pay off?

Molly #10

Yeah, maybe they can get some practice, then later use it on other things.

I mean if editors cover up DWI's, what else do they cover up.

Hey, it is a great day when reporters out the newspaper cover ups.

It will drive more people to the blogs where they will become activists like us.

I wonder if the best way for election fraud to become a bipartisan issue would be when a more fringe extreme left wing group announces that they have plants working as poll workers to hack the machines in certain elections that Republicans are afraid of losing. Now perhaps some of these ROV and Republican groups figure they can spot such attempts at doing left wing vote manipulation and they can shut those down while they let "their own guys" do their business in altering vote totals, which is why they "aren't afraid" of folks altering totals for Dems.

However, the hole in that strategy is that most Republicans don't know that they might have these "bases covered". Once there's a threat (whether it's real or not in its intent, whether it's possible enough or not due to "safeguards"), there will be a lot of pressure from the other side from honest Republicans that are out of the loop to prevent this possibility of fraud too. That might be the time we can all universally put pressure on the voting officials to put in better policies, yank the machines, or whatever when we both have a bipartisan set of screams for voting process integrity.

I think with this Sequoia thing, Roger Hedgecock comments, Lou Dobbs' stories, and the Pottawatamie, Iowa vote problems that affected Republicans, perhaps this is already happening now.

I think that is the answer, to get those more sane Republicans to realize that they are as threatened as we are, and that the only answer is to clean up these machines before November. With universal public outcry, it will be hard for ROV offices and Board of Supervisors to continue to "play dumb" without threatening their own jobs soon.

Mark Maron joked about this in his skit at Democracy Fest on Saturday night, but perhaps someone might take his words seriously.

#5
Well, the rest of The Nation article agrees with what we say here.
At first, I thought well the writer could really have a difference of opinion on that one point.
Then I realized from the date of it & because it mentioned Bobby K., that it IS a pointed answer to Bobby's assertions.
When I saw what Molly said I was a bummed.
I guess the fascists have gotten to even the writers at The Nation, for pity sakes.
Now you can't trust THEM either.

I saw Amy Goodman from DemocracyNow! one day wearing make-up & with her hair styled & a semi fetching outfit on.
The first thing I thought was--Did they get to HER, too?