These chickenhawks make me sick.

If you aren't watching this live your nuts
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What whiny little loser brats!!!!

Hah!!! It backfired on them again. :laugh:

These morons all voted YAY for their own bill, and the democrats voted NAY or present!

So who's the "cut and run" party of the hour....the chicken-hawk republican fascist morons once again.

I guess this was Richard Pombo's warmup before he has to testify before a Jury??

These idiots are completely burying themselves! Democrats should just shut down the Congress and force a vote on Murtha's REAL resolution and then go to town on the voting rights issue.

Doug E.

Remember Jean Schmidt who attacked Paul Hackett?

House GOP Seeks Quick Veto of Iraq Pullout

[snip] Murtha offered a resolution that would force the president to withdraw the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." It would establish a quick-reaction force and a nearby presence of Marines in the region. It also said the U.S. must pursue stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

But House Republicans planned to put to a vote _ and reject _ their own symbolic alternative resolution that simply said: "It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

With stinging rhetoric, Democrats criticized the GOP alternative. They said House Republican leaders killed Murtha's thoughtful approach.

The fiery, emotional debate climaxed when Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, the most junior member of the House, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.

"He asked me to send Congress a message _ stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message _ that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.

Democrats booed and shouted her down _ causing the House to come to a standstill.

Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that it was an uncalled for personal attack. "You guys are pathetic. Pathetic," yelled Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass.

~~~ Yahoo! You tell 'em Rep. Ford! What a day! ~~~

Video of Jean Schmidt --- from Think Progress

Funny.. they take one jar-head (it's been my expierence that most get pretty well brain-washed in bootcamp) and one jar-head colonel and say "these two and the rest of America and the rest of the world".. like those two somehow speak for the other 6 billion of us..

Not to mention, all the polls point to America wanting to get OUT of Iraq, and the polls in Iraq make no question of it, they want us out too.

I hate Repugs.. and I hate stupid bitches (and assholes) that lie and distort to get their way. Swing 'em all..

The democrats have a chance to vote tonight on their heart's desire. Why be upset with the wording. They do desire to cut and run as soon as possible...don't they? Every utterance suggests they can't wait to be like the French socialist/marxists. The bitching about it seems to be just rhetoric don't you think?

I think the chicken hawks running this country are a bunch of asses.

{ed note: Comment deleted. Savanster, you know that personal insults to other commenters, is not appropriate here.}

Ouch. Touched a nerve there did I? Getting out IS "cutting and running", stupid. I was demonstrating for my nephew how elegantly socialists respond to a comment that reveals them as little frenchys, except the French can speak in civil language. It worked. Hugs from the French, the Bathists, etc.. ( You DO know who the Bathists are....?) Well, maybe not. Anyway don't you know the Marines regret having to keep your fat out of the fire given your pacifist positions. By the way, Brilliant, these are VOLUNTEERS, many who lose a limb and go back to Iraq...so you can bitch about it.

Whooh! Forty more minutes of your side's drivil and of my side toying with them, and then...my side WINS this resolution. Tough, I know, but cheer up, you can go sob to Chris Matthews. He will give you an audience, if he can resist talking over you that is.

Dear Sound Bite Rita,

Do you have an original thought of your own? Do I want to "cut and run"? YES!!! Call it anything you want. If you want to fight Iraqis, just get your tail over there and fight. I want to bring our children back from Iraq asap.

Your side wins? Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me
more like your side cheats and claims victory.

Murtha himself calls for a vote against the bastardized
version of the resolution he authored. Looks to me
like this needs to be voted down and reintroduced.

Dear Sounc Bite Truth Not Found,

I think " Whooh, my side is toying with your side before my side wins" is a pretty original thought, actually. It is also true contrary to the popular kool aide drinking going on here, among those of you who have NO ONE in Iraq who ARE your children..umm....I forgot about Sheehan so perfectly perched on the body of her son howling against his re-enlisted appearance in Iraq. HE was a great American...she...well, paint your own picture, I'm sure you would anyway.

The Republican Party proved once again just how juvenile it is by putting on this stupid show in congress today.

Jean full of Schmidt but low on ethics (a prerequisite for being in the Republican Party these days?)

(Thanks to Fire Dog Lake for the lovely photo)

Wikipedia.org

During the campaign, Hackett hammered on Schmidt's ethics. When she denied she knew or ever met Thomas Noe, the coin dealer at the center of a state investment scandal at the Ohio Bureau of Workers Compensation, Hackett produced minutes from a meeting of the Ohio Board of Regents that showed Schmidt had indeed met with Noe, once a member of the Board of Regents.

Hackett was also highly critical of his opponent's record. He called attention to Schmidt and other members of the Ohio General Assembly having accepted dinners and Cincinnati Bengals tickets from a lobbyist for pharmaceutical company Chiron, Richard B. Colby, on October 24, 2004 and failing to report the gifts on their financial disclosure statements.

Ok, for some humor. One of my patients at the VA sent this to me. We always are told that veterans love Bush. I work with veterans and I just don't see it. He is basking in a 35% approval rating until tomorrow when it will drop to 33%. :0)

Battle Hymn of the Republicans
(to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic)

Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush;
He has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push;
He has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush;
The Doofus marches on.

I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool;
There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school;
Should we fault him for the policies --- or is he just their tool?
The lies keep piling on.

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
His wreckage will live on.

I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir;
As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier;
Let the smokestacks keep polluting --- do we really need clean air?
The surplus is now gone.

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Your safety net is gone!

Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state;
Though the whole world knows its crazy --- and the U.N. says to wait;
When he doesn't have the evidence, "We must prevaricate."
Diplomacy is done!

Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; we have no moral bounds;
Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds;
Enraging several billions --- to his brainlessness redounds;
The Doofus marches on!

Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'!
THIS...DOO...FUS...MAR...CHES...ON

No, Rita.. You didn't "touch a nerve", you showed why brain-dead closed-minded self-serving pricks are Republicans, that's all.

Your complete lack of understanding of the English Language (well, complete lack of being willing to not bastardize it to your liking) is exactly what makes you such a shitty human being. See, "cut and run" is using distinct mental images to try and illicit an emotional response, the last bastion of pathetic shit-bags who have no VALID point, so they try to sway thought by appealing to emotion. Gongrats on your lack of ability to discuss things rationally.

As for your "volunteers", did you ever notice how -most- of those volunteers are "poor"? oh, only enlisted though, rich kids go to college and get comissions and much better treatment. See, even in the "volunteer" army, rich people have it better than poor people.. And, let's not forget that your "rich people are better" policy makes military service (in peace time) such an appealing job.. well, the military is better than no job, right? Not that I'd guess you have the capacity to understand that.

Also, what's wrong with being a pacifist? See, it's onlyl those people who are on the lowest of the evolutionary rungs that see "violence" as the "best" option. Ignorance and might and raw animal instict drives that thought process. As a higher level of animal, we're supposed to be above that. Going out and punching someone in the face "because you can" or "you want them to change" is considered reprehensible and is illegal, even on the "world stage".. yet, what you are saying is, "getting aggressive is FUN! fuck you guys that want to talk and reason and do what's best for everyone and keeps the most people alive! BLOW SHIT UP!!".. Sorry, not only is that costly in both human and financial terms, history has shown that it's not very effective as a means to effect change. Also, I served in the military.. I'm not exactly a "pacifist" in the negative connotation you are trying to drudge up, but I -do- believe we should talk first.. fight last.. You and the morons still support Bush are of the mind "I can do what I want when I want and you can't stop me.. anyone that says there's a better way is a pussy!"..

And what is it with you idiots and all this crap about the French? I don't understand why you anti-American frootloops keep bringing them (or any other country, for that matter) into this. And yes.. I know what the "Bathists" are.. They are the party YOUR MORON REPUKES supported back in the 80's.. the ones that we help put Saddam in power.. remember? Oh, I"m sorry.. did that blow up in your face?

And, as far as "civil" language, why should I waste civility on someone as socially, mentally, morally, and otherwise trashy as you? I see no point in it.. and what's funnier is, 80% or MORE of our country speaks with such explitives alllll the time.. Only the fringe right-wing-religious-psychos pretend not to (sorry, when you get upset or hurt, saying DANG is no different than saying DAMN.. SUGAR! is no different than SHIT!, and FUDGE is no different than FUCK!.. I find it amusing that stupid people seem to think there's a difference). So.. take my lack of "civility" and shove it right up your ass .. with your head

Dear Pet Goat, ( too cute, I may add),

Cheating?? That is what the losers ALL say in my 2nd grade classroom. Crocodile tears is right.

Worst news today --- Rita's a 2nd grade teacher.

Look, Precious, your PARTY had congress when the "Bathists" were lent assistance weighted against Iran. How do you think that was done without congress. Do you dig the math...like at all?? We refer to the French when speaking of you because it is apt, (that means "it fits"). You saw New Orleans with their buses under water, and you saw France burning...well that all happened with your ilk in charge and I mean top to bottom. French. It applies.

Oh.. just a few "clarifications"..

cut and run means "dropping everything and routing".. no, don't want to do that. Want to have a orderly withdrawl of troops.. You know, what we'll eventually have to do anyway, but why wait? We've done what we set out to do (well, according to several of the versions of why we're there). They have a Constitution, they are going to vote on a new government, they have a police force in place and military.. Time for us to start leaving, don't you think? Since we have to do it ANYWAY, at some point, why not start now? with an ORDERLY WITHDRAWL OF TROOPS.. not a "turn tail and run", an orderly.. aw screwit.. you're too stupid to get it if I have to keep spelling it out..

Second. Just because "some troops" like being there and blowing shit up doesn't mean "all the troops" do, nor does it even mean "it's the norm", nor does it even mean there's a "significant number" of troops who support being there. Have you missed the bit about all the Iraq Vets who WANT US TO LEAVE? Though, I'm sure you will just call them Frenchies or something, right?

Anyway.. clearly you are a troll. Nothing good ever came from a troll.

Oh wait - I misread #18 - looks like Rita's a second grader! That really makes more sense.

#19 Scary isn't it. Makes a case for home schooling!

I would love to stay and play, but I am on call and just got beeped. In closing I would like to leave this from a letter by John Kerry:

It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience.

Dennis Hastert --- the Speaker of the House who never served --- accused Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts --- he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.

Well....your cooked, I'm done, and we win. My side actually remembers 911.

P.S. Oh, something else, wait until your OTHER ficticious "issue" falls back into Joe Wilson's lap. It IS coming...you know... Valerie Plame's whining hubby who is fruitlessly after Rove.

Let me catch you all on a better day.

Yeah.. terribly sad that such intellectual gnats can be teachers, but hey.. it's a shitty paying job and pathetically easy to become one. What do you expect?

Oh, and Reagan, I believe, was running the show during Iran-Contra.. and wasn't it Rumsfeld that went to shake hands with Saddam? And, I'm not exactly a fan of "Democrats" when they suck on the same poisoned corperate tits as Repugs, so your "dems are not nice either" pap carries now weight with me, sorry.

As for "france burning", you DO know it's because they ignore their poor, right? Just like YOU do.. Just like the "rich corperate puppets" running our government do, right? Make it so the poor can't take care of themselves, and they WILL come to YOUR house and kill you for your loaf of bread. And as to "who was in charge" with New Orleans, that would be some stupid fucker who was a horse judge selector, remeber? your moron president appointed a totally unqualifed jerkoff to run the show that should have been getting ready for that hurricane.. instead, you, your president, his horribly unquallified cronies, and a system that doesn't care about poor people.. they let those folks down in New Orleans, not "democrats".. Perhaps there's a decent amount of "blame" to be handed to the "democratic leaders of New Orleans", but that's not a "party", nor is it a valid assesment to try and demean (that's "reduce in worth")an entire party because of one person's failings. See, when the entire Republican party gives the president a pass, that's different than one person doing something wrong. President Bush being incometent wouldn't be all that bad for the Republican Party if the rest of them weren't useless shitballs and would actually take care of his bumblings. Instead, they capitulate (that means "to give in") to his failings, which reflects on the entire party.. And, anyone "supporting" Bush does the same thing. Amazingly, I've seen a lot of "republicans" walk away from your party over the past few months. They finally got tired of being embarassed by Shrubby and his goon squad. You're the laughing stock of this country, and Fance, if that makes you feel better.

Oh.. I had a 6th grade teacher who was an alcoholic and abused kids in my class (threw a book at me once, got her dismissed from teaching the 6th grade).. they moved her to the 2nd grade the next year, then fired her for smacking kids.. seems the little kids knew she was a useless bitch but that, for some reason, offended her. Glad she got fired though.. let me know that there is at least a -little- justice in the world. Now, if we can only get rid of the rest of the hate-mongers in the world, things will be peaceful again..

Are you kidding? ONE PERSON was in charge in New Orleans? BWAHHHHAAAAHA! I said "top to bottom", goofus, from the governor to the New Orleans mayor, AND the five at state under indictment for fraud with state funds. France burning by the poor? Read your paper. It was ALL under your guys rule. Now go figure. Geez, what a bore this vote is taking... You guys - stay proud and go "put up" or "shut up" tonight is right. Go blow up a "milk factory" with the Clintons.

Jeepers.. I forgot to talk to the "cheating" part.. Rita, I hope when your husband cheats on you (let's face it.. someone like you? I'm sure he's been cheating for a long time..), just smile and say "I know... crocodile tears, right?".

In case you didn't notice, cheating is what pathetic little scumballs do when they can't win by playing "fair". Why play "fair"? Well, it's this little thing called LAW.. see.. and when you "break the law" (that's "cheating"), you go to jail. When you "cheat" over something that "isn't law", you show you don't have a valid position.. valid being what "normal healthy rational sane" people understand. In the land of make believe where burning kittens and stealing is ok so long as you don't get caught, there might be no reason to be "valid", but here in the real world, where people's lives, feelings, livelyhoods are at stake, it's ALL that matters. We live in a world where lies don't cut it and truth (a.k.a. reality) is all that matters. Your sides "cheating" shows that they are lying and being dishonest. You know, like the kids you teach who spit on other kids, steal their lunch money, beat them up.. oh, wait.. I'm guessing you want to have sex with those ones, right? I mean, we see teachers going to prison for having relations with kids, I fathom they must be the same kind of nut-jobs as you.. you know, the ones who say "crocodile tears, right?" when your hubby tells you he's leaving you for that 18 yr. old that's been babysitting for you, so you act out with your students? Well, maybe having sex with them is beyond even you.. perhaps you just cheer them on for being the stronger kids and not "cutting and running", right? Hate to see the poor victims when they run away... you must laugh your ass off..

Thanks for the great 'Battle Hymn', Jo! Nicely done.

Hi, Rita. Sorry we sullied your poor nephew's virgin ears.

I trust you kept him out of earshot when the vice-president told a senator to go fuck himself.

Kudos to your guys, by the way, for voting to cut $700 million from food stamps for those whiny poor folks.

Kyra and Jo might like you to talk dirty, ( why else would they hang?), but your mind is a real piece of work. I am terribly curious where your relatives are. Oh.... I get it....strained relations there, right? 'Bout time for your pill, huh. Maybe K and J are missing their guardian too, actually. Gotta run.
Looks like we got six of yours. Love that majority..

Oh.. and I forgot.. tell me again how Sadui Arabia's 15 hijackers accused in the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks had -anything- to do with Iraq? how after all the intel and statements from those in charge say "there were no terrorists in Iraq" when we invaded (or before that).. no terror links to Iraq..? Explain to me how it is you bring Sept. 11, 2001 into a discussion about Iraq?

Apparently you haven't been following the news (of course you have, you just ignore the bigger points that go against your delusion.. ).. No WMDs (and no reason to believe Iraq had them when we invaded), no terrorists connections, nothing to warrent us going there in the first place.. Bringing up Sept. 11, 2001 is simply your way of saying "I have no point, but fuck you anyway! I WIN!".. ok.. scream that from the treetops.. feel free.. doesn't make you right, it makes you pathetic..

*waves to the trolls*

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See what through Jene? More Americans die from a war based on lies? What was the total corporate oil contribution you received the last few years? This type of remark calls for a promotion in the Bushit Administration. Being a Republican from OHIO, one of the 4 stolen states that decided 2 time election loser George Bush should be our king, you really showed Americans where you stand on perpetrating a war where we have become the main target. The Bushit lies which brought us to war has united people against America who see the Fascist vulgar display of force for what it is and makes this country more vulnerable to a terrorist attack with passing day. What I can't understand is why our modern Congress is so full of cunts like you. What does it take to get real red blooded Americans that want to really look out for American people and the best interest of the world we live in? Fck all you corporate sellout robots!

Rita, I guess I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that I have a strained relationship with my parents.. Perhaps you are reflecting? And I'm not medicated, I'm sane and understand right from wrong, unlike most Republicans (though, to be fair.. they -understand-, they just don't care.. they feel they are above "rules" and "laws".. that only applies to the "peasants" (that's "poor people").. right?)

Anyway Rita, we see your kind of ignorance come and go around these blogs. Interestingly (well, not all that interesting for those of us with some brains), trolls come out more on articles that don't have quite the explicit statement of "truth" that they so hate.. They tend to come in on threads where they can spew some demeaning (that's.. oh, wait.. we did this one) crap, poke at the old "dems suck dems suck" dead horse, then tralala on their merry little way.

What would be damn funny is if all the Dems had stuck together and the Repugs all supported their "ignorant attack" of a resolution and got stuck actually having to "cut and run".. course, they'd just hold another special vote to "undo their ignorance".. Sure am glad my tax dollars are being spent so wisely .. those Repugs, gotta love their fiscal responsibility..

rita,

dont tease the liberals when they've got their dresses over their heads. it's not sporting.

#34 the psych term you meant to use was "projecting". Nice try - next pop psych contestant please. "Reflecting" is funny however unintentional it might have been. Think about it - it'll come to you.

Dear Rita & Castro:

You and the other 34% can only win by lying and cheating. Why does the BCFOL hate press conferences? (because they can't remember all of their past lies). Life is much easier when live the truth.

Yours truly,

Proud Left-wing, Liberal Moonbat

Well Castro.. thanks for pointing out my mistake.. you are correct, I meant projecting.. Perhaps if I'd had more than one semester of Psych I'd have remembered that term better.. or if I didn't have dysnomia, I'd not have had to struggle with bringing up the word for such a perverse concept (and one that I see quite a bit in most people who are screwed up.. like you and Rita).

I think it's cute that you want to try and imply that by saying "reflecting" when I meant "projecting" is somehow freudian.. amazing that you support a hate-filled warmonger, yet you think -I- need to do some reflecting.. priceless

#38: Freud is not a hate filled warmonger

Sorry.. lemme try to fix my grammatical errors..

I think it's cute that you want to try and imply that by saying "reflecting" when I meant "projecting" is somehow freudian.

Amazing that you support a hate-filled warmonger, yet you think -I- need to do some reflecting.. priceless

Better? I know, I should be more precise.. sorry..

damn.. perhaps I should clarify idea 2 for you, I know how you Repugs hate to think..

Amazing that you support a hate-filled warmonger [like Bush], yet you think -I- need to do some reflecting.. priceless

Rita, you stupid fucking moron...

I am a high school teacher and I see exactly what your side does to my students. And yes, they prey on poor students for whom they have purposefully limited educational equity and opportunity. I am embarrassed that you are a part of the educational system at all. No doubt you are one of the assholes who try to bust the backs of teachers unions. Anyone in education who votes Republican should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Please, quit your job and stop damaging the minds of our youth. How is it possible that you spend your day in a classroom with students when you so clearly don't give a shit about them, not if your idea of thier purpose in life is to be cannon fodder for these arch criminal thieves, none of whom have fought for freedom a day in their lives.

I've gonna fucking puke...

OT

I just added my name to Bill O'Reilly's Blacklist. I encourage all of you left-wing, liberal moonbats (and any other name he wants to call you) to go to the Huffingtonpost and join the list.

So good old slave driver Rita shows the true colors of the republican party on national TV, and gloats about the fact she's an ignorant rich self-obssessed bigot?

Is this for real?

You've outed yourselves now, haven't you? Is Michael Scanlon's forray into jail going to drag all you "religious conservative whackos" with him?

Voting for full withdrawl showed that these cowards are all cut and run on national TV, your vote backfired!!!!!

Funny how Represenative Murtha's resolution hasn't even been brought up? Probably because it was rational and used an actual timetable, rather than a rich-man's fraudulent legislative bill which would have done none of the above.

Surprise! They really do do the mugshot :laugh:

Doug E.

...and now they want to discredit Murtha by launching an ethics probe. Diversion, diversion, diversion.

Awww, are they getting hot under the collar because the legal system is on their ass!???

Maybe these jokes of sop should have thought ethics, well, since last year. Jack Abramoff and all the lawbreaking members of Congress have made that absolutely evident.

And then we have slimy crooks like Diebold. I guess that's all that is left in the republican party, time for an enema....

>8-)

Doug E.

I guess the 34% wants us to "stay the course" and keep looking for "the noble cause" of them phantom WMD's Bushco lied about.

And now the bill has failed as intended, and the pullout is rejected. Bastards. But that kind of chacanery is to be expected by Republicans. i am equally as pissed at the Democrats who have no backbone. Hate to say it, but that's why I joined the Greens. Too many Dems are more interested in their own political expediency that in standing up for what's right. They sure got snookered on this one. Bet Rita's pretty fucking smug right now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10097801/

Soul Rebel: It was a sham bill bud

I'm an independent and could see this whole bill and debate was a sham to begin with. It has nothing to do with Murtha's bill, which was to gradually draw down troops and James Murtha's bill has never even come up for a vote.

They are going to bring it up for a vote after the discharge petition. The Pentagon has already given official notice, that the withdrawl plan has begun (so they're hypocrites also...)

Doug E.

all those brilliant guys in the left seem to tell a lot of lies.. so what's new... i really laughed out loud about the one who claimed to be a high schoolteacher.. even the left wouldn't want that filthy mouth teaching their children. O learning to spell wouldn't hurt that high school teacher at all. Nice try joker..

Murtha is no more a "war hawk" than John Kerry. He supported the war when it was popular and has now returned to the liberal/anti-war reservation after it's turned bitter. The cowardice in the halls of Congress is appalling. We need to jack up the war, not pull out, so the Iraqis will have adequate time to build up their own army to deal with the terrorists. To do anything less will abandon the ones we saved to forces of evil at least as despicable as Saddam.

Funny thing is, Soul Rebel, she's likely smug, but over a non-win, over a joke, a farse.. but, for those idiots, that's enough.. To be able to dance around and chant "we win we win we were right", -despite- the truth, that's all they have.

This was a joke, a totally useless excercise by the Repugs to try and prove a point, but all they "proved" was that they are a bunch of childish morons content to piss away MORE tax dollars over MORE bullshit.

Notice how they are all so spineless as to allow Murtha's -actual- proposal to come to the floor? They can't have that because it would be a near full party split vote. Dems for, Repugs against.. Then, let's say Shrubby or Cheney gets indicted over Plame, and that "Phase II" investigation ends up saying Shrubby, Cheney, Rummy, KindaSleezy actually -did- withold vital information from Congress, -did- mislead them to war.. Then they would have to talk about impeaching shit-bag.. and the 2006 elections would put them all in the dog-house. With this, they can point fingers and go "neener neener neener.. you didn't get a vote on pulling out, we win we win we win".. hoping if they chant that loud enough and long enough that people will forget about all the criminal trials going on in the GOP lately..

Smug? yeah.. retarded people get smug when they fart in the pool and everyone looks at the other kid.

Kevin Mark is a classic example, a total dropout moron who didn't go to school, doesn't know what war is, and doesn't give a shit.

In the words of Paul Hackett: "SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Thank you. Nobody was making anyone any safer, Hackett's words not mine: "If you believe in it, go join the damn war!!! Unless you're a chickenhawk like your commander."

And they ring truer to this day with James Murtha speaking out.

There was no terrorism all over Iraq until we got there: What a surprise, and there's hardly any real terrorists there now.....

It doesn't matter if we withdraw, since there was no real threats there to begin with, and the ones that are will be dealt with by international tribunals...

Obviously in the end, the whole war, and the vote on it was a pack of lies. So were the threats, so were the democracy, so was everything else. Balkanization is the only reason they're there and the Israeli militia wants to use it to balkanize the whole middle east. So its about time to end that pack of lies and throw it into the history of criminal societ, along with Diebold and all the other corrupt freaks....

And then its time to deal with all the traitors properly, in full view of the Hague.

Doug E.

For aunty rita's nephew ,she'll be proud when he's in his uniform and shipping out to bring freedom to Iraq.

Fact: Gore won the 2000 elections (college and popular vote)
Fact: 911 had NO connection to Iraq
Fact: 58,000 American soldiers where killed by the enemy in Viet Nam
Fact: GWB has NEVER allowed unscripted question to be asked by any reporter.
Fact: GWB never run a single company that succeeded on its own merits.
Fact: GOP operatives/supporters own ALL e-voting machine companies.
Fact: GOA report warns of security issues with e-voting machines.
Fact: Al Qaeda means “database”
Fact: Al Qaeda is a CIA construct ,originally
Fact: 911 had NO connection to Iraq
Fact: 58,000 American soldiers where killed by the enemy in Viet Nam
Fact: The memory of any dead soldier IS NOT HONOURED by the needless death of more soldiers.
Fact: GWB said “force” was the “LAST” option.
Fact: Weapons inspectors where correct.
Etc.

Sometimes the truth is too hard to except and “the party line” is a convenient shelter to rally behind in order not to see the “truth”.

err...LIE DETECTER...

it's actually Lie Detector if you want to complain about spelling on a blog - unfortunately this blog does not allow people to go back and edit posts. Yes, I am a high school teacher. And yes, you can go fuck yourself. How's that for potty mouth? Trust me, I'm competent and I reach kids. And I encourage them NOT to sign up for the military, and to fill out their Opt-out forms, and to go to war protests, and to generally know their rights and stand up for themselves. Yes, I'm the fly in the ointment of your state-run ed system that wants to teach kids to trust the government and to not question authority. I don't stand for the flag salute, and I don't require my kids to either. My students will be better off for it, even if they won't end up putting on your jack-boots. How ya like me now?

DE - yes I realized after the post what the GOP was pushing and felt stupid about it, but once you've posted, what can you do. My apologies for knee-jerking. It was a sham, I understood that about three minutes after I read the full article. I am pleased that some Dems are FINALLY starting to stand up - but will it be too little too late?

He supported the war when it was popular and has now returned to the liberal/anti-war reservation after it's turned bitter. The cowardice in the halls of Congress is appalling.

sick ,what war is "popular" ever ?
cowardice in the halls of Congress ,what about the White House ?
Failed Intelligence covers SO MANY things these days...

"We need to jack up the war, not pull out, so the Iraqis will have adequate time to build up their own army to deal with the terrorists. To do anything less will abandon the ones we saved to forces of evil at least as despicable as Saddam."

how long does it take to become a "US Marine" ? 3 month ?
how long has this non-war run so far ?
how many Iraqi troop is there now ?
so in 3 months how many will that make ?

Too little too late?

I doubt it.....If they get really involved on putting these criminals away and locking up Diebold and all the e-voting crooks, it won't matter if it SEEMED too late or not....

The democrats, or someone will eat them all for breakfast and the purge will begin of all the corrupt congress as well as a permanent military tribunal on the illegal Iraq war.

Doug E.

Is that Taft of Ohio? Related to the current Taft of Ohio? If so, what went wrong?

It's gotta be the kool aid.

Wow! You're good, Soul Rebel ---

Governor Robert Taft II (of Ohio) is the grandson of conservative, former Senator Robert Taft.

And from Gov. Taft's website:

Governor Taft's father and grandfather both served in the United States Senate, and his great-grandfather, William Howard Taft, served as the 27th President of the United States and Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

~~~~~~~~~

Do ya believe in the Pod People theory?

Here's a way to send your thanks and support to Col. Murtha:

Shame on Them: Tell Col. Murtha Not to Back Down

John Murtha spent 37 years in Marine Corps, earned the Bronze Star, two purple hearts, the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, and the Navy Distinguished Service Medal. And for the last thirty years he’s been one of the most respected voices in Congress on military issues --- universally respected by Democrats, Republicans and military brass alike.

Now he's speaking out on Iraq --- and the Republican smear machine has questioned his wisdom, his courage, and even his patriotism. Shame on them. Every one of us --- right now --- needs to let Jack Murtha know that we respect his service, respect his leadership, and respect his right to speak the truth. This man has spent his life serving us. The very least each one of us can do is let him know that no matter what dishonorable smear campaign Republicans wage we will be there with him.

Send Congressman Murtha a note telling him that you will not be silent while he is attacked --- Governor Dean will deliver it personally with his own thanks:

The neoCon leadership in congress has shown how far out of touch with the public they are.

A hard rain is going to fall.

They know it and have already planned to fix the voting machines next November.

A landslide is in the works. Then neoCons are going down.

Thank you! Thank you God for those wiling to stand up for the right thing, the moral high ground. This is an illegal war based on either lies, manipulations or just downright incompetence and it is laughable that the Republicrats can continue to besmirch a fine patriot like Murtha!

That tacky red, white and blue, stars and stripes polyester shirt Jean full of Schmidt had on was the frosting on the poisonous cake of her classless and morally bankrupt words. There is no more defending this war!

Hey Jean full of Schmidt! Walmart called and they want their shirt back! It's been recalled because the company that hired a starving 9 year old to make it doused it with a flame retardant chemical banned in the US for causing cancer. Who knew? It's all legal!

In answere to #51's "We need to jack up the war, not pull out, so the Iraqis will have adequate time to build up their own army to deal with the terrorists. To do anything less will abandon the ones we saved to forces of evil at least as despicable as Saddam."

So we stay and kill so that the killing will stop? Goooood Moooorning VIETNAM !!!

Every week I watch the Sunday morning shows, and always at the end of THIS WEEK w/ George Stephanopolous he shows the Pentagon-released names & AGES of the American soldiers that died that week in Iraq . The ones who are only 18 & 19 years old, good grief, they were in high school when the war started and they die just a few months to less than a year after they "volunteered" (BTW, I hold those young soldiers' slick recruiters responsible along with unrepentant liars Bushco/Cheney).
How much "TIME" was needed to "TRAIN" those pubescent American soldiers before they were sent off to foreign soil to die for Bush's lies? Did they have "TIME" to kiss their Mamas good bye once they were whisked away from Boot Camp to Iraq?
There's something very fishy about Bush keepin' on saying that Iraquis need sooooo muuuch "TIME" to be "TRAINED" to defend their own soil and homes and families. Something else is going on > There is something VERY rotten in Denmark

#42 Yeah boy! You talk to your momma w/that mouth? You're a teacher? bwhahahahahahahahaha

#51: the killing that filled saddams mass graves didn't bother you why do you grow a conscience now? You liked it better when the sunnis mass murdered the shiites? You "insurgent" buddies fear payback they don't have _any_ political program.

the vote was 403-3? better luck next time to all the supporters of sunni murderers. "The sunni'll come up tomorrow, tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow". I'll bet even Zarkawi likes old show tunes.

#67 Honestly Castro, how do you intrepet the anti-Bush peace movement as supporters of Sunni murderers? Most of the country (including some of us ) were in support of the war when we believed the Bush's WMD lies. You can accuse us of being duped by Bush and his heinous PNAC henchmen (and women), but you cannot accuse the peace movement of supporters of Sunni murderers. We do not trust Bush anymore than Sadaam. So you support the war crimes committed and provoked by your invading lying puppet president?
God Bless America, NOT THE PNAC

402 -3

YOU PEOPLE REPRESENT THE 3. CONGRATS ON GETTING YOUR POLICY'S ASS WHIPPED.

Castro,

Yeah I talk to my momma with this mouth. I told her what you said and she said you can go fuck yourself too.

To Rita and Castro :

Since when is this about "your side / my side?"
We all share this planet together and what happens will affect all of us.

Please read all of Congressman Murfa's statement and then come back to this blog with your comments.

He states, "the Dept of Defense was suppose to delivery statements on stability and security in Iraq beginning in March 2005, nothing yet."

The Director of Congressional Budget is "terrified" of the deficits in coming decades.

Our stated goal was to remove Saddam and his henchmen, well we have done that. Now 80% Iraqis want their country back without our continued presence.

The Generals, Casey are saying our continued presence is causing the insurgents to continue fighting. Well, wouldn't you too, if another country invaded America?

Rita, Castro, whether you belive it or not we all are on the same side, bring the troops home to protect us here. Start paying down the deficit and dependence on China. Bring back America's pride.

The Republican party has lost its way, its time to replace George and Dick and the rest that are shaming their whole agenda here and abroad.

66% disapproval are not just Democrats.

I am speechless that the anti-americans (trolls) that come here are so ignorant. I wonder how many bottles of ritilan that the 'teacher' (gasp) hands out daily to keep the students in control. America is dumbing down our kids...pretty evident if this kind of thinking is being shoved down the throats of 2nd graders.

#16 Jo, loved the lyrics, could hear the music in my head while I read it, thanks for sharing.

#65 Excellent point! Boot camp here verses boot camp there....very interesting. I never thought of that, well, there is so much to think about and my brain is working overtime...much like rove's right now. So many scandels all happening at once.

I watched the first couple of hours of this CONipulation on C-Span yesterday, got to see anti-american schmidt make her statement against Murtha. She had to eat cake, I loved it. I applauded everytime the dems did. I am glad they are finding their voice and hope C-Span runs this thing all weekend.

The House was totally out of order, yelling and screaming, reality tv at it's best, its about time we see the anger, and disorder. To hell with the 'polite rules'..the anti-american cons are not polite...they need to spoken to in language they understand. When will a dem finally say bush lied, instead of mislead. Maybe sooner than later. The dems are pretty fed up and it is about time.

I understand what the anti-americans did, how they distorted the resolution, but MSM will not tell the truth about what happened and the general public is not real bright (dumbed down) so probably would not understand it all.

The Patriots on this site will win, regardless of what the anti- american trolls are saying. They hate America and we love it. The truth will be known and all the liars exposed. M4

My apologies to normal and sane people here about my coarse language. I probably shouldn't do that on a respectable blog like this. Trolls...they so bring out the best in me.

"Why of course the people don't want war... That is understood.

But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.

All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering

Thank you Dredd for comment #74 .
Karl Rove could just as easily say that quote today.
Bush, Cheney, and their PNAC gang are elite globalists entrenched in the military-industrial complex, they are NOT Americans. All they care about is how they can rape and pillage Iraq and America for all they can get for themselves and their Neocon agenda. The rest of us are just peasants, and they can torture us and break our budget whether we are Iraqui or American. Bushco don't GIVE A DAMN what nationality we are, for we are ALL dirt to Bushco.

#72 - Merifour said, "When will a dem finally say bush lied, instead of mislead.

It was good to hear Stansfield Turner say, "I do not believe him." A step forward. May there be many more.

I seem to remember reading somewhere, maybe on the PNAC site, that a goal was population control. This translates to me....genocide.

#75 states it clearly. We the people, of any Nation, on this planet are targeted. The globalists only care about the dollar and power. The US does not invade other countries unless corporate interests are in harms way or they have natural resources the corps. want. The cabal does not give one wit about democracy or freedom or people. We are all cannon fodder and the sooner we realize it the better.

We are just stunned because we were taught lies. We believed the USA was the best thing that ever happened to Mother Earth. I don't doubt the founding father's intentions were good but they had dirty laundry too (Jefferson/Sally Hemmings....Washington/slave owner....etc) This is a rude awakening for many Americans. The exposure of the Big Lie that many cannot bring themselves to believe.

Bushco is one arm of the octopus. Maybe the head, I haven't gotten that far yet...the European nobility is into this stuff up to their eyeballs...is bushco the puppet regime?

Mainly the focus of the discussions on this blog has been what is happening here (USA) I look at the big picture...world view..always has been my focus, and how the US fits in. We haven't even begun to explore the financial ties.. a giant part of the story.
(Note: I do not say this in anyway to downplay those that are trying to change the wrongs in this Country)

My point in brief, this is a global Cabal. How does one begin to clean house when the corruption involves the whole world. Perhaps the USA is the last country that needs to be put under dictatorship and that is why all the focus is on us right now..how hard will we fight.

I am beginning to think our only hope is Mother Nature. She is pissed and my consolation is the fact the Earth has been here for billions of years and the Mother has dealt with the likes of us before.
The Cabal is into weather manipulation but is in way over their heads. The Atlanteans destroyed their civilization tinkering with the weather....who won, the Earth Mother.

#70 oh you naughty savage

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., believes U.S. troops do not necessarily need to be pulled out of Iraq right away, as a senior Democrat suggested this week, but they need more leadership from the Bush administration.(http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=1328704)

in other news he's awarded himself another purple heart ....

Castro, have you ever had more fun with these hot potty mouths as they slog through trying to thaw out their own frozen noodles for brains? The psychological profile on this motley crew is astounding, as they root for everyone in Washington who is AGAINST defending them, the cut/run/crat crowd....like their French pals will come to their aid, as if the enemy will spare this bunch because they are sweeties, cowards and whiners who want us to come home. Please. To give you an example, Castro, have you ever considered that in the NY trade center, that most of the 3000 dead were probably liberal, or democrats, and how this bunch fails to take it personally. They just want to bitch about the republicans and the military actually reacting to 911 for them. I never figured that out...how they just really don't care who dies over here even when it is likely their own and like-minded. Talk about eating your own. A real scandal among the slog brained I have thought. Got any ideas what is behind this extraordinary lack of I-don't-care?

Something else I have pondered....I don't think they, ( this bunch ), will be reproduced. I believe they will contracept themselves out of existance eventually. I have chewed on the possibility that it will come down to the Catholics and the Muslims. What do you think, Castro? ( Not YOU, stupid, I was talking to Castro, so don't respond in his place. )

"Castro, have you ever considered that in the NY trade center, that most of the 3000 dead were probably liberal, or democrats, and how this bunch fails to take it personally."

Actually the victims of 9/11, New York City voted %80 AGAINST Bush. Use your outrage to pick up a fucking gun instead and break a nail for your country Rita What's the Mehlman Talking point? Put up or shut up?

The anti-americans posting here are going to be so surprised to learn they are in this sinking ship with the rest of us...let us not hesitate to throw them out to the sharks..lol.

If only the war in Iraq had something to do with 9-11.....
If only we had gone after Bin Laden...
Oh and I have 5 kids (two adopted). They are doing great. My oldest is going into ROTC next fall. Honor student. He is almost the same age as my brother was when he died in the last half ass war we had. Be glad we reproduce, our kids are the ones protecting your butts!

huh? Is that you out there, stupid? You made my point by repeating it. I am PUTTING UP. I voted a man into office who turned out to be a warrior when we needed one as opposed to the milk factory bomber Clinton, whom you never critiqued when he Black Hawked Down and went to Bosnia where to this day we have our military. That's okay with you because he was your guy. Get a clue and show up yourself.

I am in the mood to agree that my "shapely" is being protected by the brave for the sake of the whiney. Go figure. Whine some more. You keep making my point, now...go pull your burka down. It's on top of your head.

oh my, we have a wolf in sheeps clothing here.....

I hate America, I hate America, got that, I hate America

Look, this is troll to troll. Where IS Castro?

Great job Merifour, posing as "Rita". Funny thing is your bunch here will believe you. BWAHAHAHAH!

Rita sounds like she might defend us pacifists and never break a nail. Maybe she is right and we are the ones who won't defend our country. Think about it.

{ed note: Rita [mkrattan@aol.com] Impersonating other Brad Blog commenters is not allowed.}

had to stoop to your second grade level and it was hard, trust me

Merifour, those second-graders do play your games but then they are....second-graders. And thanks, for suggesting the crew "think about it".
Check in with the highschool teacher on your green site here, you are bound to like him but wear a spit suit. He digs nasty.

During the Second World War, Senator Robert Taft:

'I believe that there can be no doubt that criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government..... Too many people desire to suppress criticism simply because they think it will give some comfort to the enemy.... If that comfort makes the enemy feel better for a few moments, they are welcome to it as far as I am concerned because the maintenance of the right of criticism in the long run will do the country more good than it will do the enemy, and it will prevent mistakes which might otherwise occur."

~~~From Fire Dog Lake's latest post~~~

There are some real IDIOTS at the helm these days.

Once you stick a Cheney into a kuntry and get off, you should wait awhile to pull out so all the oil drips out frist.

Rita said "I voted a man into office who turned out to be a warrior”, you don't mean GWB surely ,warriors don't sit around trying to read stories about pet goats when the enemy is in the middle of an attack.
Warriors act and presidents are the ones that receive the majority of the vote, GWB did neither.

PS For you slow learners Iraq did not attack you on 911 ,now repeat that to yourself until it seeps in to your retarded brain.

I'm sure rita's a feller. I seriously doubt rita's a teacher. One thing's certain ... rita, castro & medium are cut out of the same cloth as jean full-of-schmidt.

They're wriggling a lot lately ... like worms in hot ashes. They have nothing to offer in the way of constructive debate. They are the dividers, not the uniters - just like their fearful leader.

bu$h, the one who is squatting in the White House, has nearly ruined this country. Anyone who cannot see it is wearing blinders. The trolls on this thread are among the ever-shrinking percentage of Americans who can't see or refuse to see the truth. Currently, only 27% of Americans approve of Republicans. And that's why they sputter and fume.

Facts speak louder than juvenile attacks.

Just a few bu$h administration FAILURES:

Federal debt has soared with serious long-term consequences for the nation. Record budget surpluses and debt reduction have been replaced with RECORD DEFICITS and a growing MOUNTAIN of DEBT. Tax cuts are financed by more borrowing.

From 1998 to 2001 the budget was in surplus and more than $450 Billion in publicly held debt was paid down. We HAD a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 Trillion and WERE on a course to pay off that debt.

From 1776 - 2001 the foreign debt accumulated by every single president COMBINED was $1.01 Trillion. In the next 5 years with robber-baron-bush at the helm, our foreign debt has EXPLODED to $1.86 TRILLION.

bu$h has borrowed $150 Billion from Social Security. Where did it go? Where are the missing Billions - the money nobody can seem to account for? Where is all the money going? Hey taxpayers! That's your money! Is there a legal recourse for us taxpayers since we are being bilked?

Gross federal debt, which includes funds owed to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds has SOARED. By 2014 the gross federal debt will climb to $14.9 Trillion. That translates into $46,660 in debt owed by each American citizen. A CRIPPLING BURDEN FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

– As of July 2004 -

Top 10 Countries Holding Our National Debt

Japan - $696 Billion
China - $167 Billion
UK - $130 Billion
“Caribbean Banking Centers” - $91 Billion
S. Korea - $62 Billion
Taiwan – $58 Billion
Hong Kong - $50 Billion
Germany - $49 Billion
Switzerland - $48 Billion
OPEC – 44 Billion
Source: Dept. of Treasury

When bu$h took office, interest payments on the fed. debt were expected to cost $622 BILLION over the 10-yr. period 2002-2011.

If the tax cuts are made permanent & bush’s defense buildup is adopted & the AMT is reformed, & we have ongoing war costs --- federal interest payments are expected to cost $2.4 trillion over that same time period – this is a $1.81 Trillion (300%) increase.

And all of this is reason enough to kick his sorry ass out of office. A regular American citizen would be held personally responsible for this debt and would have to pay it back and probably serve jail time.

This is just 1 area of bu$h's total incompetence. If we add up everything - it sure looks like he's in a heap of doo-doo.

Rita,

Putting on a flight suit and landing on an aircraft carrier that has been maneuvered so that the scenery is just right (at the taxpayer's expense) with a big ol' banner that turned out to be, over two years later, incorrect (I'm being nice, it was a big 'ol lie, actually)...does not a 'warrior' make. Real warriors understand the nature of war, that's why real warriors do everything they can to avoid it. That's why real warriors like Wes Clark, John Shalikashvili, Anthony Zinni (generals, remember) and others came out not only against the war to begin with, but against the criminal operation of it once we were in. Rumsfeld was never qualified to make decisions about the military to begin with.

Turn off your FAUX news for DUMB FUX, your O'Hannity, Mal-content-kin, Coulter horrorshows and invest some time in figuring out what the rest of the world thinks about the US. You work with second-graders (which is a travesty to begin with), so you should understand that when you have a kid who is always pointing the finger of blame at other kids without ever taking responsibility for their own actions, that usually the problem lies with that kid. Don't you get it? The US IS that kid. And the rest of the class knows it.

Rita, you are a dying species. You don't like liberals and progressives because you know we are smarter than you. That's why you're so blustery. Your arguments hold no water, so all you can do is shout. I'm sure you watch O'Reilly, so you'll understand what I'm saying. OK probably not.

Liberal thought is evolved. Conservative thought is regressive. Liberals will understand this, there is no need to elaborate. Conservatives will not understand this...but again, there's no need to elaborate.

"I won't say that all stupid people are conservative, but it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

KIRA said "I'm sure rita's a feller." thats what I was thinking.

It would be cool to see bush and Murtha debate this issue ,only if bush didn't wear a "wire" this time or if bush had the balls to allow unscripted questions...ever!

...Soul Rebel
"Putting on a flight suit and landing on an aircraft carrier", bummer bush didn't have control of that aircraft during the landing ,all our problems would have sunk just like the wreckage of the plane.Imagine a camera on bushs face during the landing phase ,we all could have seen the fear that his washing lady had to clean up.

#96 Kira, thanks for posting the figures on our debt. Wonder how these other countries will divy up the US when they want their money. I always thought China owned us but I see Japan probably owns the left coast. Also worthy of mention I think is all the Saudi money in the global banking system, have read if they pull it out of U.S., our economy will go t.u. Perhaps that is why bush kisses the Saudi royals, and bandar, was called bandar bush. Any wonder we didn't go after S.A. after 911....well duh. M4 (who believes bush was waiting for the 'news' while reading my pet goat and remembers poppy was having breakfast with a member of the bin laden family that morning)

Got this from Dr. Dean a few moments ago.

I want to tell you about John Murtha. He's a Democratic Congressman from Pennsylvania. He's also a combat veteran and retired Marine Corps colonel.

Murtha spent 37 years in Marine Corps, earned the Bronze Star, two purple hearts, the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, and the Navy Distinguished Service Medal. And for the last thirty years he's been one of the most respected voices in Congress on military issues --- universally respected by Democrats, Republicans and military brass alike.

Until now.

Republicans have disgraced themselves by viciously attacking John Murtha with such disrespect that not only veterans, but every decent American should be angry.

/democrats.org/page/petition/shameonthem
To leave a message for John Murtha

kira's probably a wannabe feller too

You're welcome Merifour! Spread it around.

To the Trolls:

Yesterday's CNN Poll:

Do you think the United States should:
Stay the course in Iraq --- 3%
(I guess that's the group rita, castro, kevin & medium fall into --- 3%)

Withdraw U.S. troops within six months --- 85%

Commit to do whatever it takes to win the war --- 13%

oh, ok #103 did you cite the polls (or Poles) as some oracle of veracity when they supported the war? If you think the war's right or wrong polls dont mean much. If you need others to think for you, then they're meaningful.

{ed note: Castro, you are in violation of one of the very few rules we have here: posting under different names. I know it's hard for ethically-challenged Republicans to respect laws and rules, however, if you continue your flagrant disregard of the rules here your future posts will be banned.}

Castro:
aka
Darnelle
Rev Goober T. Bass
Mullah Gomer
geeter
Old Jones
bonczaar
Cletus
Junior Johnson
mary beth
bubba
castro
izzy
MULLAH CASTRO
CASTRO(LOST MY HONORARY MULLASHIP - DARN)

cant we all get along and talk about something cheerful like torture or animal testing of cosmetics.

{ed note: Castro, you are in violation of one of the very few rules we have here: posting under different names. I know it's hard for ethically-challenged Republicans to respect laws and rules, however, if you continue your flagrant disregard of the rules here your future posts will be banned.}

Castro:
aka
Darnelle
Rev Goober T. Bass
Mullah Gomer
geeter
Old Jones
bonczaar
Cletus
Junior Johnson
mary beth
bubba
castro
izzy
MULLAH CASTRO
CASTRO(LOST MY HONORARY MULLASHIP - DARN)

Castro! You're back!
It's been more fun than a little over here. Recall many posts ago when this was about the "bastardization" and revision of the "Murtha Resolution". I see where our real time bloggers have him sited in three of his own spewings calling for IMMEDIATE re-deployment and not in six months. It's no wonder his caddies here can't follow along. He can't either, according to his congressional remarks last night. The press will be picking this up, that's for sure, but only on one side, recalling that the other side side "can't handle the truth", as Pelosi likes to say.

Rita, dear, if you will notice, the majority of Americans no longer support "your side"

In fact, "your side" can't even get together enough to decide what to have for lunch!

I mean, think about it - THEY didn't like the Murtha resolution (because we know THEY would rather let thousands of people die than admit someone else had a better idea).

So, THEY took out the intelligent parts and left the part that basically says "We think we should leave, so we're leaving"

Translated: We don't have a fuckin CLUE how to fix the mess we've created, so we're just gonna bail.

It's just like the way they entered the war, no plan, just yelling "I WANT" and stomping their feet.

THEN - and this is the funny part - THEN, AFTER they write THEIR OWN RESOLUTION, their OWN PARTY voted against it. WTF??

Can you say, cluster f**k?

But, "our side" is nothing if not patient and determined.

Those of us who REALLY support the TROOPS, and NOT the President and the liars in Congress who obviously don't give a DAMN about them, will keep working until we get the idiots out of power and get "our side" home safely.

But eventually you're gonna have to face it, Rita dear, "your side" is losing.

"Your side" is in the minority now.

Rita,

That should be "cited" not "sited". Since 's' and 'c' are not in such proximity on a standard keyboard so as to have made that spelling mistake accidentally, I am left with no other conclusion but that you are fucking stupid.

And you have the nerve to correct the spelling of second graders. You are truly pathetic.

Speaking of polls. Does CNN still have an audience? The way FOX kicks their petuty, 24/7, and also MSNBC, the liberal media have no audience to poll other than the socialist/marxist's here who still watch, so doesn't it figure their poll would be weighted in favor of their marxist audience? Do you suppose Mr. Kira can make those same assumptions? Don't hold your breath.
They hang on the lies of their media and are going to be devastated if, and when, they are ever exposed.

Some people (rita & castro for +++EAAMPLE) would argue with a fence post.

Yada yada yada. Like a fart in the wind.

You got me there. The SITE I had on my mind CITED three examples of Murtha indicating IMMEDIATE re-deployment contrary to his remarks last night.

Rita,

That should be "patootie" not "petuty".

Please, and I think I would speak for most of the posters here, don't refer to CNN and MSNBC as liberal media. By liberal media, I think you mean independent, non-corporate media. CNN and MSNBC are neither, and are not to be trusted, though not to the degree that FAUX should be ignored.

Your statements are so...well, thoughtless and party-line. Let me know when you have an original thought, because as it stands, debating non-thinkers gets old, and I'd actually like to have a real, honest debate with you. I'll provide the definition of honest if you need, just ask - no need to be embarrassed.

Do you even know what a socialist or a marxist is or what they stand for?

AND contrary to all the whining here about revision.

I think I'm being generous in giving a grade point avg. of 0.9 to our 2nd grade teacher here.

You probably have a point. I am pooped. What with last nights great win (with the help of your side who voted completely against you), and my team winning today in football I will call it a day. A girl needs a shower after trolling among the teed off. Cheer up....3 voted with you.

I'd say you need a shower after pissing in the wind all day. Go clean up your act.

Later tater.

To all concerned...read posts #85 and #86...this is not the same writing as the others posted by Rita previously IMO. I noticed the difference right away and posted....this person is a fraud, probably another of Castro's personalities, he/she has created to dialog with.

"To give you an example, Castro, have you ever considered that in the NY trade center, that most of the 3000 dead were probably liberal, or democrats, and how this bunch fails to take it personally."

THEY WERE?!?!?? Are you sure that most of them who died weren't....

AMERICANS?!?!?!?

Wow...Because the only people who were killed in those blasts were americans, muslims and other nationalities from africa. And there was not one Israeli who died in the entire attack.......Fancy that can of worms!

What Really Happened

And yet your joke of a TV station Fox News didn't report that, strange......The 9-11 incident was known and pre-staged making the entire real story fake. Yet you drink on useless propaganda bullshit, and live off Fox News so you would never know anything about that....

Funny, because that's the same reason most of your whacko conservative friends are in jail or going to jail. You have no ethics and have no care about the law, or anything else and it shows.

And everyone knows you don't because you get all your ideas from Fox News......What a blast!

Here's another EAAMPLE: "I lie through my teeth because I can; I am a deranged republican." You're the "whackos that we need to vote for me" according to republican king and now convicted criminal Michael Scanlon. Take from everyone else, and lie through your teeth while doing it.

When's your stock options going belly up?

>8-)

Doug E.

Wow...Rita is a teacher?? Say it ain't so!!

That's so sad.

There's ANOTHER reason I'm absolutely certain I made the right decision by not allowing my child to attend public school until ninth grade.

rita the teacher ,what is the USA world rating for education standards ,its a no brainer with teacher as igorant as you ,keep on towing the party line ,f**k the truth.

MMIXX, the US ranking in the PISA International test was 6th from the bottom. We couldn't even muster up an average score.

Ooo - here y'go:

Scores by country

Finland . . . . . . . . 544
S. Korea . . . . . . . . 542
Netherlands . . . . . . . . 538
Japan . . . . . . . . 534
Canada . . . . . . . . 532
Belgium . . . . . . . . 529
Switzerland . . . . . . . . 527
Australia . . . . . . . . 524
New Zealand . . . . . . . . 523
Czech Republic . . . . . . . . 516
Iceland . . . . . . . . 515
Denmark . . . . . . . . 514
France . . . . . . . . 511
Sweden . . . . . . . . 509
Austria . . . . . . . . 506
Germany . . . . . . . . 503
Ireland . . . . . . . . 503
Slovak Republic . . . . . . . . 498
Norway . . . . . . . . 495
Luxembourg . . . . . . . . 493
Poland . . . . . . . . 490
Hungary . . . . . . . . 490
Spain . . . . . . . . 485
United States . . . . . . . . 483
Portugal . . . . . . . . 466
Italy . . . . . . . . 466
Greece . . . . . . . . 445
Turkey . . . . . . . . 423
Mexico . . . . . . . . 385

Thanks to teachers like lovely rita meter maid.

If we stay in Iraq with no plan (except staying the course), this will be the headline for the next five to ten years.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated his car in a crowd of Shiite mourners north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 36 people and raising the death toll in two days of attacks against Shiites to more than 120. Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.

Earlier Saturday, a car bomb exploded in a crowd of shoppers at an outdoor market in a mostly Shiite neighborhood on the southeast edge of Baghdad, killing 13 people and wounding about 20 others, police reported. Witnesses said they saw a man park the car and walk away shortly before the blast.

In the north, U.S. and Iraqi forces raided a suspected al-Qaida hideout in Mosul and at least seven insurgents died _ three committing suicide to prevent capture, Iraqi authorities said. Four Iraqi policemen also were killed and 11 U.S. troops wounded, Iraqi and U.S. officials said.

#120: you mean "toeing" the line but "towing" the line is funny too. We love it when you tawk dirty

Speaking of idiotic syntax
Political humor is having a stupid bushism contest (go vote)
http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/a/220079.htm
November 17, 2005

Bushism of the Year: Cast Your Vote
What was the dumbest thing President Bush said in 2005? Cast your vote and help us select the year's single most idiotic Bushism from his five most embarrassing gaffes:

1) "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." —to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio)
VOTE

2) "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)
VOTE

3) "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." —on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina
VOTE

4) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio)
VOTE

5) "I think I may need a bathroom break. Is this possible?" —in a note to to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a U.N. Security Council meeting, September 14, 2005
VOTE

Wow! Brazil is big." —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
This is my favorite!

No, #124, & 125 THIS is the winner

Military Aide: Mr. President 3 brasilian soldiers were hurt in a friendly fire incident last night

GWB: Oh, that's TERRIBLE, did we MOAB them?

(stunned silence the rest of the room ponders the disproportionate reaction)

GWB: Hey, wait a minute! How many zeros in a brasillion?

Crank up the outrage machine kiddies:

link

Shut up Castro

Powell was asked what he said at the meeting when the BCFOL decided to go to war. His response was: "What meeting? They just decided to do it."

Does anyone doubt that Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld are fascists. The cabal must go!

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Don't forget, Jean Schmidt was the one who beat Iraq War vet Hacket (D) 51-49% (what else?), when the electronic voting equipment went down in the bottom of the 9th, with it neck-and-neck with very little votes to "count" (I use the term loosely). Then, when the machines came up, Schmidt had a "mysterious" thousands of votes to win 51-49. Schmidt, who denied knowing the Noe's.

My prediction: Even though Casey leads Santorum by 20% in the polls right now, SANTORUM 51%-CASEY 49%. DailyKOS will claim it to be a "moral victory", and send a "real message" to Republicans.

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...like DailyKOS did when Hackett got ripped off: "Moral victory"..."sent a message to the GOP"...

The only message it sent the GOP, is that they could blatantly, un-patriotic-ly, rip off an Iraq War vet, right in front of everyone's eyes, and no one will do a thing about it! That was the message.

The message with the Ohio 2005 questions being off by astronomical double-digits exit polls vs. "final count" (I use the term loosely), is that the GOP can be as obvious as they want in stealing elections or ballot questions, and one damn thing won't be done about it.

The only thing the GOP has to worry about, is which key races they steal, like the president because he gets to "pick" (not elected by us) 20 or 30 cabinet members. If the GOP ends up 100-0 in the Senate, it would be too obvious they were stealing elections. Santorum is a key election, it will be one of the ones they steal.

Here's my pick for the most reprehensible comment ever by a president ... Fantastic?

4) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

I say it's pathetic in the United States where there has been so much financial success that a large segment of our population has found it necessary to work more than one job to survive and sometimes not even managing to stay afloat.

Thank robber-baron-bu$h for stealing money from social programs and giving it to the obscenely rich.

I have a couple comments about assholes saying they're "fighting for my freedom in Iraq".

1. Don't do it.
2. I didn't ask you to do it.
3. You're NOT fighting for my freedom in Iraq; I was free BEFORE, DURING, and AFTER you're through fighting over there.

The biggest comment of all, is that it's not the troops saying they're fighting for our freedom in Iraq, it's the chickenhawk rightwingers saying it, who are too chicken to back their own words. At least I'm not a hypocrite. I'm against the war, and I wouldn't fight in it. These chickenhawk rightwingers are FOR the war and CHICKEN to fight in it.

CHICKEN----CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK........

Santorum's finished, thats a landslide. They can't even steal it.

They can only effectively steal anything when its too close to "call" because of ballot spoilage...

Their skills aren't honed enough to steal anything else. And neither are the democrats who steal as well.

So Santorum is effectively well, finished unless they completely obstruct everything and so on and it goes to court. But he'll still lose anyway.

That's BESIDES the point that they tried to steal everything in Virginia, New Jersey, Texas and failed to do so!

So either way, the machines have to go and be pulled out for good. Even if the reality of someone stealing it only happens in really close or obvious races.

Doug E.

...castro.. said on 11/19/2005 @ 5:14pm PT...
#120: you mean "toeing" the line but "towing" the line is funny too. We love it when you tawk dirty

funny guy ,now tell me about your education system and how meat heads like rita are improving your kids understanding of how people who run away from National Service when called up are able to start illegal wars based on proven lies.

compared to bushdrible my typo is nothing.your country was (once) regarded as the "only" Superpower till your idiot puppet president was forced upon you by those who stole the 2000 and 2004 elections and man are you going to pay for that.recommend you learn chinese fidel.please feel free to correct any spelling or grama errors within my post,everybody needs to feel useful afterall.

Remember those lies I mentioned earlier ... Every word of the below fits in that catergory.. B--- S---

liberals lie their ass off but never produce a factual source of their remarks .. They do a good job of overtalking anyone trying to speak the truth.. But have no idea what the truth is.. If people would dig for the facts rather than quote the press who make up stories and then dismiss it as ( sorry we goofed ) ..What a pitiful sad state of affairs when a bunch of simple jerks try to destroy someone who is trying to keep their sorry cowardly ass from being blown off the map...
go back and read the post listed below again and wonder where all those so called facts came from an then I'll tell you where they came from..

COMMENT #54 [link]
...MMIIXX said on 11/18/2005 @ 10:58pm PT...

Kira --- #134 --- Certainly reprehensible, but I think, "I hit the trifecta!" is the most reprehensible sentence to issue from the mouth of a president.

I'm sure there would be even more choice quotations if most of what he says wasn't "patriotic" baby talk and lies.

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Sorry folks Comment # 138 were posted by" Lie Detector.". I have no Idea how TRUTH SEEKER got in as the poster..

Here is a poem made up of Bushisms

Make the Pie Higher

I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen
And uncertainty
And potential mental losses.

Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the internet
Become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?

They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being and the fish
Can coexist.

Families is where our nation finds hope
Where our wings take dream.
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher!
Make the pie higher!

Source: Richard Thompson

My definition of a chicken Hawk:
A chicken hawk is a person who chooses not to wear the uniform of our country, yet is eager to commit those honorable people who do to battle.

My definition is the same whether you agree with me or not.

Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth.

Then you've got your "Vietnam-era chickenhawks." These are people who, during an era of conscription, avoided military service in a war they nonetheless supported. There is, of course, a class edge to this. Obtaining educational deferments and National Guard slots was much easier to do if you were relatively well off. Thus, the position of your average campus chickenhawk (see, e.g., Cheney, Dick) was that we ought to fight this war, and, indeed, people ought to be coerced into fighting this war, but my well-born friends and I ought not to be coerced and, indeed, ought not to fight at all. I think it's obvious what's morally problematic about this stance. Does it disqualify you from future political service all on its own? No, but it speaks to character in a powerful way.

From outside the beltway (a conservative site)

I don't have time to be a Kindergarten teacher here and delete every comment that disobeys the few rules we have.

I ask all commenters again to:
+ NOT use personal insults towards other commenters.
+ NOT post under different names.

The above would be preferable to turning off Comments all together. I don't expect those who are here solely to disrupt will abide by those rules. I'd hope the others, however, will at least help by setting an example for them. Thank you.

Quite a love fest going on here.

I see Ann Colter (Rita) has made an apearance. There's no one else on earth that can be so vile.

# 138 were posted by" Lie Detector."

Lie Detector which fact do you have a problem with ?

Some more fun with Bushisms. I could go on and on, every time he opens his mouth something like this comes out.

"We discussed the way forward in Iraq, discussed the importance of a democracy in the greater Middle East in order to leave behind a peaceful tomorrow." —George W. Bush, Tbilisi, Georgia, May 10, 2005

"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"It means your own money would grow better than that which the government can make it grow. And that's important." —George W. Bush, on what private accounts could do for Social Security funds, Falls Church, Va., April 29, 2005

"I can only speak to myself." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Ok, last bunch of Bushisms for the night.

"In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my standing will be?'" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005

"In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible — whatever that means." —George W. Bush, on his time frame for shoring up Social Security, Washington D.C., March 16, 2005

"I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive effect when you run for office. Maybe some will run for office and say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know, I don't know if that will be their platform or not. But it's --- I don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote for me, I'm looking forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure you got bread on the table." —George W. Bush, on elections in the Middle East, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005

"I repeat, personal accounts do not permanently fix the solution." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table." —George W. Bush, Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005

"The United States does not have enough troops on the ground to contain and destroy the insurgency." Well we could resume the draft. That would put Bushies approval in the teens quick!

Why John Murtha Is Right!
By Larry Johnson
Booman Tribune

Friday 18 November 2005

John Murtha's courageous call for American troops to leave Iraq is the right policy at the right time. The Bush chickenhawks already are impugning Murtha's patriotism, but when you have a purple heart and a silver star compared to a President with a spotty attendance record with the National Guard and a Vice President with five deferments, that dog don't hunt.

The situation in Iraq is clear. The United States does not have enough troops on the ground to contain and destroy the insurgency. The Iraqi insurgency consists of at least 26 different groups and draws upon as many as 250,000 supporters. These groups represent a spectrum of beliefs ranging from secular nationalists to hard core jihadists. The only thing they agree on is that they hate the invader; which is us.

#138 was not me. I was at a movie.

The source of the Powell quote was Richard Clarke on the Daily Show last week.

Doug, take a look at the poll numbers versus the results on the issues revently voted on in Ohio, and then tell me a 20 point lead is "safe."

Czaragorn,

The point is, I think, that a 20-point lead -should- be safe. I think we all know that it isn't in fact, safe under the DIEBOL systems. If Santorum should win by that slim margin, it is simply more tangible evidence that the system is being used to manipulate votes.

And it IS one of the elections that the Repukes will steal if allowed to. It is a key Senatorial position, especially since PA swung 60% Dem in the '04 election.

Here is what is unfathomable to me: That we don't allow the same safeguards and international observers that we demand (as if we had a right to demand anything) from other countries. It is so very transparent. And of course, the rest of the world knows it.

"Murtha attacked Dick Cheney as someone who received "five deferments" in Vietnam. This is true, but unfair. The implication is, if you didn't serve, you've got no right to send others to die in battle; only war heroes get to make war policy."
Tucker Carlson (weeny with a bow tie) Another chicken hawk who doesn't want to be called one. You notice the only people who don't like the term chicken hawk are all chicken hawks!
Braaawk Braaawk!

Well, if you are a chickenhawk OR a war hero (like McCain, yes he is a Neocon, watch your back with him) you have no right to "stay the course" when it is based on lies, period. Congressman Murtha has both the practical and intuitive sense to say that we have done everything militarily that can be done over there, and a political solution with a steady phasing out of troops that ends in 2006 is the way to go. I am sick and tired of Bush and Cheney feigning that they are so concerned about telling the insurgents our "exit strategy". Cheney and his PNAC website had no hesitation about posting their conspiratorial Iraq plot on the web in September 2000, and then later implementing it in 2003:

http://www.newamericance...dingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Hmm, wonder if Al Quaeda noticed what Cheney's PNAC thugs posted just a year before 9/11?

#157 Amen to that!

Once again Wise man Larry Johnson is right on the money....

He's CIA. I'd listen to the guy, you know, that's just me.

Because we could all join a teaching profession for second graders and talk about how rich and self obssessed we are ala Mrs. Rita, or we could instead do the opposite.....Get rid of the criminals, and settle this war once and for all as well as dump Diebold.

I don't know about most of America, but I'm thinking option 2 looks like the only way to go.....I'll take that ticket, myself.

Doug E.

CZAR: No doubt! I was simply saying that they are more likely to fail in stealing anything in PA because of that swing being too large. And above all else the security in PA is much higher and they finally are using a VVPB so that would probably not be a state that would go. Regardless all the election fraud there should still be prosecuted and we have a long ways to go to get rid of this.

Doug E.

Hey Castro at #127.. how about we keep killing our troops so the Iraqi Police can keep doing this

outrage begin? how about "withdrawl begin", and let them figure out what they need to do over there on their own, how about not letting our troops get killed for their religious conflict that is still raging.. hmm?

I guess he knows he looks like a total ass now, after his buddies have been raking Murtha over the coals all weekend. He knows that Jean Schmidts performance is going to bring his poll numbers down so he is backpedaling' quick. Trying to catapult the bs.

BEIJING - After fiercely defending his Iraq policy across Asia, President Bush abruptly toned down his attack on war critics Sunday and said there was nothing unpatriotic about opposing his strategy.

We have to keep the spotlight on the Casey-Santorum race...Brad: start publishing the polls regularly on how Casey is ahead by about 20%...if we keep this in the spotlight, then when Santorum wins 51-49% (like Schmidt beat Hackett; Bush beat Kerry; etc...), it will have more impact, that we paraded the polls for weeks/months before Santorum steals the election 51%-49%.

I think the GOP operatives tried to throw a curveball in the Schmidt/Hackett election...it was actually 51-48%, to throw everyone off from the 51%-49% steals...I think Bush was 51%-48 over Kerry, too. The 51% is meaningful, so they can say a "majority" voted for them. That was very meaningful in the Bush-Kerry supposed election, so they could say that more than half the voters voted for them.

Probably, when you see a 51-49% GOP victory, that means the Democrat had over 50% of the votes, just an educated guess. Then the 51-49% GOP victory formula kicks in. If the GOP candidate won anyway, that's when you see the none-51-49% GOP wins. Ex: If a GOP candidate wins 62-35%, they probably really won. So, they may change their DIEBOLD formula away from the 51%-49% script, or else the MSM might do a report on the plethora of GOP 51%-49% victories since the advent of DIEBOLD. I wish someone would do a report on the advent of DIEBOLD and the advent of the GOP controlling all branches of government.

Is there a report out there of the correlation of the increase in electronic voting machines and the increase of GOP controlling all branches of government? Anyone know??? Anyone come across a report like that??? That would be a great report to get our hands on!

I forgot! The MSM will say that in all the independent polls run by hundreds of pollsters saying Casey was ahead by 20%, the MSM will say that in every independent poll, each and every polling company asked more "liberals" their opinion, and conservatives were too shy to say they voted for Santorum.

OOPS! Me bad...I forgot! Been there...done that...

#160: "withdrawl" shore i-i-i recon I can speak drawl - ah lived in GA for 23 years. Yeah boy - gimme a bag o' boiled peanuts and I'll meet ya at the waffle house.

Right! You want to watch that typing there #160. We need to speak at least as eloquently as the President. :0)

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

To all the wonderful free speachers here. Thanks for the vigorous debate. For the Dems you are pathetic. As a Marine (Captain) I am appalled at Jack Murtha. Just goes to show that politics trumps all. No matter how you Democrat pacifist, tofurkey eating, socialist, groupthinkers want to spin it, Murtha's remarks were published as a call for immediate withderawl. The Al Jazeera funions splashed it all over their website.

Sorrt for the whole stream of conciousness thing going on here but I am typing as fast as my pea-sized brain can handle. Want to know what is wrong with being a pacifist? I have to put my Marines' Asses on the line for you assholes that is what is wrong with it. Weakness invites attack. It is a human fact as inescapable as gravity. Recorded history proves this every time. You pacifists are nothing but magnets for violence. So now I have to go risk my ass and my Marines for you ungrateful pricks? Man talk about a bargain!

By the way, where were all you "Bush Lied" "There are no WMD" people when Clinton did the exact same thing in Bosnia? Remember when 'Ol Billy went out and trumpeted the evidence that there were 100,000 dead people due to ethnic cleansing in Bosnia? Where was the media when it came out that the actual numbers were less than 3,000? Clinton lied! No he didn't he made the case based on bad intlelligence. So now Bush is in the same pickle but now we hear calls for impeachment!

You two faced, gutless, rat bastards. At least do us all the favor of being intellectually honest and consistent. You hippocritical, cowardly, pot smokin, vegetarian, socialist, bastards.

I'm out!

Don't hold back Captain Cosgrove, tell us what you think.

I can see why the Iraqi people in the range of 80% do not want you there. Gives new meaning to bringin' freedom to Iraq.

Be sure to get some mental and emotional phase out treatment when you get back ... to mold you back into a respectful, clear, fair minded, and stable citizen like the rest of us.

And congratulations if you are not one of the people who tortured in our name without our permission.