The real media is here.

Keep the truth alive.

The press will choke to death on its spew.

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TNT and PAULA are the only ones who have NOT posted a rational comment on this blog.

This fiasco is a textbook example of how the low-IQ “PRESIDENT" of the USA “prepares" for an emergency.

HE simply do nothing.
Bin Laden must be laughing at us.

Then, when it goes to hell, HE BLAMES the VICTIMS for not taking care of themselves. Where was the president? Answer: hundreds of miles north (or east, or west).

Reason-low IQ and not heart. You simply cannot get the president to act right.

This is what happens with a retarded, heartless president...cabinet members become dependent and cannot even evacuate a city when they live below sea-level, a Cat 5 hurricane is roaring down upon them, and everyone with a room temperature IQ knows is going to destroy the city EXCEPT OUR PRESIDENT W.

HE should be sterilized, for the sake of the gene pool of America.

CHIMPEACH

#2 and #3

I see you agree with your president 100%. You feel the same way he does. You think the same way he does. You follow his leadership blindly, don't you? You hate the same way he does.

Thanks, your vomit has answered a lot of questions I had.

Wow, TwoNonexistentTits and Paula agree with the Ho Commander! 'Nuff said

I have been all over the net today and also watching the msm and I am horrified that this is happening at all.I gave early to the red cross and find out they were not even allowed in. I am so sick of hearing how its all the victims fault, Oh your black you don't count, Your life doesn't count,your not even an American anymore but just refugee status. Where is our compassion, our humanity, I am ashamed ,so ashamed that it took me so long to wake up to what has been happening in this country. I came here today to maybe commisserate with people that felt the same way and the commments are amazing, WAKE UP, WTF is up with these people? Quit blaming these victims and US citizens of this country.They deserve your compassion not crap blaming them some more.What about the great leader Bush,Corrupt and so very incompetent, with his whole administration.I just want to hurl,i also read on Wayne Madsen that they (our esteemed GOV.) are jamming communications in and out of New Orleans! How do you like that?Just make sure you kill them all. This is just a joke ,I'm going to wake up real soon.How much you want to bet they get away with this shit too.I already wrote my senators.Not that it will make a difference.I am so pissed that they are going to try and get a vote on the estate tax, and this moron who appoints all these people that know how to do nothing but fail gets to nominate another justice.This madness has got to come to a halt.This government has more investigations into it I don't think I can handle another.I'm thinking pitchforks.

#3 W, is it you?

WOW, what a way to petition for racial cleansing!!!
How neo-nazi of you!
What are you a merge of Rove and Bush?

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It is noteworthy that insane, inane, and dork trolls are out polluting the air waves.

Proof that the human conscience can be destroyed. They are quite pathetic, blaming the victims of tsunamis because no warning was given them, blaming the victims of floods because the only people with authority to touch the levees that broke (federal Corps of Engineers), failed to convince the White House and congress they needed $20 million to repair them.

How low can the mind of a human go? Even tho I can't see how it could go lower, I have seen the emptiness in the hearts and minds of the neoCons and I think they can perform as "well" as Hitler and his wonderful gang (the ones Prescot Bush, W's grandfather, financed).

If we have to sterilize anybody, I say we start with the racist hate-mongers. Once we get them out of the way, it'll be easy to see the problem clearly and then we can make a rational decision about what to do next.

So I'm listening to cnn and now their killing them.They just shot six people,I guess it happened on a bridge they said they had guns. Can anyone smell that smell? POLICE STATE.They are not letting anybody they don't want to get out.ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Our MSCM at it again: The Show Didn't Benefit by Censors: NBC's "A Concert for Hurricane Relief" stands as a blueprint for its own kind of institutional failure.

You might have to register for the LA Times to read this. Someone posted a site a while back that you could use to get around this problem, but I can't find it. Anyway, I've been registered at the LA Times site for quite a while (years) and I've seen no evidence that I'm being spammed or anything else bad as a result.

Is Kanye West Right About "Racist" George Bush?

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George Bush refused to meet with the NAACP, the most important and oldest civil rights organization in America --the first President not to do so in a generation. The poor masses have grown larger under his watch, while the rich got richer, even though it was obvious by the makeup of his “tax cut” that this would happen. The largely white, wealthy parents of schoolchildren used Bush's voucher-program to get away from African-American dominated schools, while blacks were left to rot in inadequate schools in the ghetto, (with no escape), just like in Katrina.

Bush has decided it is a priority to cut Social Security benefits while maintaining the exploding cost of the war in Iraq. This will only harm the poor, while exploiting a disproportionate number of blacks fighting and dying in a war in a foreign land. The reckless spending of George Bush and the Republican-led Congress (and the associated balooning budget deficit) will result in wholesale inflation in the future. Clearly a larger burden will be placed on the poor in this environment --where food, clothing, and shelter make up a much bigger proportion of their total available cash.

----more---

Wow. I keep thinking nothing can shock me, but the tremendous chorus of blaming the victims that has broken out in this country has shocked me. Yet another step has been taken by our once great Nation, it seems, towards out and out fascism, complete with eugenic bigotry.

The irony, I think, is that many of the poor survive through situations that would probably completely undo most of us.

When you die brad, Ill make sure and post a picture of your dead body in hopes of political gain. Or I guess that would be pretty messed up huh?

re #13 VG is this what you were looking for? bugmenot.com

Spin Bomb alert, Spin bomb alert, all Liberals beware
it will be dropped tomorrow, the dead will not be televised, On Labor Day to boot (don't know, just rambling, had to get drunk today,one for the dead citizens of NO) can't take it no more, BASTARDS

WP #17

Yep. Thanks. Since I'm already registered at LATimes and most other newspaper sites I want to read (also with no spam problems), I haven't been able to test it yet.

How To Use BugMeNot.com

VG

Even though some young black kids are shooting,
Isn't it our hooray for me and fu*k you society that created them in the first place?

Who's controlling the order of news stories? The 5 corporations who own all the media in America, that's who!

How about this story? Vote Fraud! We wouldn't have Bush in there, and hence any of these disasters, if the media reported on vote fraud.

Corinne. #9

Let me blow in your ear.....you need a re-fill.

Scientific American Drowning New Orleans.

Katrina Timeline (CNN)

August 25

• 4 p.m.: Katrina officially becomes a Category 1 hurricane, according to the National Hurricane Center.

• 7 p.m.: Lumbering ashore in south Florida, Katrina causes nine deaths and kills power to more than 1.2 million people.

• 11 p.m.: Despite being over land for more than four hours, Katrina's maximum sustained winds are still being clocked at 75 mph. It came ashore with 80 mph winds between Hallandale Beach and North Miami Beach.

August 26

• 5 a.m.: After weakening briefly to a tropical storm, Katrina regains hurricane status and moves on to the Gulf of Mexico.

• 11:30 a.m.: The hurricane is upgraded to Category 2, with the storm's feeder bands continuing to pound the lower Florida Keys.

• 4 p.m.: The National Hurricane Center warns that Katrina is expected to reach dangerous Category 4 intensity before making landfall in Mississippi or Louisiana. Hours later, in anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declare states of emergency.

August 27

• 5 a.m.: Katrina is upgraded to a Category 3, or major hurricane, with the Gulf Coast in its path.

• During the day, residents of Louisiana's low-lying areas are told they must evacuate; residents in other low-lying areas are urgently advised to do so. President Bush declares a state of emergency in Louisiana.

• Highways leading out of New Orleans are filled with bumper-to-bumper traffic. Several major interstates are converted to one-way routes away from the city.

• 11 p.m.: The National Hurricane Center issues a hurricane warning from Morgan City, Louisiana, to the Alabama-Florida border, an area that includes New Orleans. A warning means that hurricane conditions are expected within the warning area within the next 24 hours.

August 28

• 2 a.m.: Katrina escalates to Category 4 strength, heading for the Gulf Coast. The last time Mississippi or Louisiana saw landfall from a Category 4 or stronger storm was 1969 with Hurricane Camille.

• 7 a.m.: Hurricane Katrina intensifies to Category 5, the worst and highest category on the Saffir-Simpson scale.

• 10 a.m.: As Katrina hits 175 mph winds, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders mandatory evacuations as the storm seems to beat a direct path to the city.

• During the day, Bush declares a state of emergency in Mississippi and orders federal assistance. The National Hurricane Center says low-lying areas along the Gulf Coast could expect storm surges of up to 25 feet as the storm, with top sustained winds of 160 mph, hits early the next day.

August 29

• 4 a.m.: Hurricane Katrina is downgraded to a strong Category 4 storm.

• 7 a.m.: Katrina makes landfall on the Louisiana coast between Grand Isle and the mouth of the Mississippi River.

• 11a.m. Katrina makes another landfall near the Louisiana-Mississippi state line with 125 mph winds.

• The storm's daylong rampage claims lives and ravages property in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, where coastal areas remained under several feet of water.

• Two major flood-control levees are breached, and the National Weather Service reports "total structural failure" in parts of New Orleans. A section of the roof of the Louisiana Superdome, where 10,000 people are taking refuge, opens. Many are feared dead in flooded neighborhoods still under as much as 20 feet of water.

• In Mississippi, dozens are dead and Gov. Haley Barbour describes "catastrophic damage" along the coast. More than 1.3 million homes and businesses in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama were without electricity, according to utility companies.

• 10 p.m.: More than 12 hours after making landfall, one of the most powerful hurricanes to hit the northern Gulf Coast in half a century is downgraded to a tropical storm. Remnants head north toward Tennessee and the Ohio River Valley, spurring harsh storms and tornadoes.

August 30

• New Orleans is left with no power, no drinking water, dwindling food supplies, widespread looting, fires --- and steadily rising waters from major levee breaches. Efforts to limit the flooding are unsuccessful and force authorities to try evacuating the thousands of people at city shelters.

• Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour says Katrina inflicted more damage to the state's beach towns than did Hurricane Camille, and its death toll is likely to be higher. In Mobile, Alabama, the storm pushed water from Mobile Bay into downtown, submerging large sections of the city.

• The U.S. military starts to move ships and helicopters to the region at the request of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

• Katrina is downgraded to a tropical depression.

August 31

• President Bush flies over the Gulf Coast in Air Force One to survey the damage. He later announces a major federal mobilization to help the victims.

• The entire region is declared a public health emergency amid fears of diseases that could spread because of the contaminated, stagnant water.

• Evacuations from the Louisiana Superdome to the Houston Astrodome begin. About 20,000 people are expected to be transferred from New Orleans to Houston.

• When asked about the number of dead, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin replies, "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."

September 1

• In flooded New Orleans, stranded people remain in buildings, on roofs, in the backs of trucks or gathered in large groups on higher ground.

• Violence disrupts relief efforts as authorities rescue trapped residents and try to evacuate thousands of others living among corpses and human waste. Those stranded express growing frustration with the disorder evident on the streets, raising questions about the coordination and timeliness of relief efforts.

• Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announces that 4,200 National Guard troops trained as military police will be deployed to New Orleans over the next three days. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco requests the mobilization of 40,000 National Guard troops.

• Gasoline prices spike as high as $5 a gallon in some areas as consumers fearing a gas shortage race to the pumps.

September 2

• Tired and angry people stranded at the convention center in New Orleans welcome a supply convoy carrying food, water and medicine.

• President Bush visits Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, and later signs a $10.5 billion disaster relief bill.

• The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers estimate it will take 36 to 80 days to drain the city.

• Texas officials say nearly 154,000 evacuees have arrived there.

• Members of the Congressional Black Caucus criticize the pace of relief efforts, saying response was slow because those most affected are poor.

September 3

• While thousands of people waiting to be evacuated from the squalor of flood-stricken New Orleans, two major fires rage along the waterfront.

• FEMA announces that 90,000 square miles were affected by Katrina, an area greater than the size of the United Kingdom.

• Utility companies work to restore power to more than 1 million Gulf Coast customers.

• The Army Corps of Engineers brings in pumps and generators from around the nation to help get New Orleans pumps back on line and bail out the city.

You Racism assholes should be used to block the breach in the levee ,Rehnquist probaly died from shame at putting bush in power in 2000

New Orleans: Police kill army contractors

Bushw@cker #23

Thank you for that great link to a Scientific American article.

It's not obvious from a first look at the link, but this is from an *October 2001* issue of Scientific American.

---snippet

A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city.

-----anyone who keeps bashing scientists should read this--------

From The Times-Picayune of New Orleans: Editorial blasts federal response.

Our media--

2nd Version: Police Kill 5 As Contractors Attacked

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Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people, killing five or six, the Associated Press reports.

Intellpuke: "Interestingly, this second Associated Press article on this shooting incident fails to mention the error in its first bulletin on this, nor does it offer any explanation for getting it completely wrong in the initial article that moved on the wire. Free Internet Press apologizes for any confusion this may have caused our readers.

-----------------more at link

Bush under fire for hurricane response. from ABC (Australia) Online.

Bushw@cker #27

Oh! you are so spare with words!!!! Okay, I'll be a blabbermouth....

Let me add that this is a MUST READ: Editorial blasts federal response

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Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.

Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a "Today" show story Friday morning.

Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach.

-----read link for more----

Sorry VG you're right! I'm getting ready to head off to work, so I'm quickly laying some links down as I find them!

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LEFTY keep wearing your Bush/Cheney 2004 t-shirt ,by the way where's Cheney?

#31 Bushw@cker,

Using the immortal words of Bluebear2-- "To link is to serve".

Best,

VG

MMIIXX Cowaring in a watertight bunker somewhere I'd guess!

Good question MMIIXX, where is Little Dick, laughing all the way to the bank, is my guess.

Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Katrina Deal

VG, That's why Dick has been MIA, he's been to too busy trying to make a profit out of a "man made" disaster down south!

Head of FEMA has an unlikely background

Snippet---

From failed Republican congressional candidate to ousted "czar" of an Arabian horse association, there was little in Michael D. Brown's background to prepare him for the fury of Hurricane Katrina.

But as the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Brown now faces furious criticism of the federal response to the disaster that wiped out New Orleans and much of the Gulf Coast. He provoked some of it himself when he conceded that FEMA didn't know that thousands of refugees were trapped at New Orleans' convention center without food or water until officials heard it on the news.

"He's done a hell of a job, because I'm not aware of any Arabian horses being killed in this storm," said Kate Hale, former Miami-Dade emergency management chief. "The world that this man operated in and the focus of this work does not in any way translate to this. He does not have the experience."

-----more at link----

Knight Ridder Exposes Horsey Background of FEMA Chief

---snippet---

During the 1990s, Brown served as judges and stewards commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. His job was to ensure that horse-show judges followed the rules and to investigate allegations against those suspected of cheating. "I wouldn't have regarded his position in the horse industry as a platform to where he is now," said Tom Connelly, a former association president. The reporters refer to Brown's stormy years with the horses as a "rocky tenure."

But Brown knew Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's 2000
campaign manager. Allbaugh took over FEMA in 2001, and hired Brown as general counsel.

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VG,

I read the article, thanks. Unbelievable. The problems the gov. has had with them are not glowing references by a long shot, and they still get the job. How obvious. How sick. How much more.

I need some Pepto- Bismol. Nite all

Cheney might be with Rehnquist .

Cheney might be with Rehnquist .
Doing the "walk of shame" before their maker.

What a bunch of lying scoundrels!!!!

'Wash Post' Runs A Key Katrina Correction

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NEW YORK In its Sunday edition, the Washington Post quoted a "senior Bush official" that "as of Saturday [Louisiana Governor]Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency." This, of course, was meant to make the governor look foolish and spread the blame around for the disastrous response to the disaster, though it was hard to imagine on what grounds the newspaper would quote an unnamed source in this case.

Several hours of blogosphere howling ensued. Later in the day, the Post ran this correction, or rather, 180-degree turn:

"A Sept. 4 article on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina incorrectly said that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) had not declared a state of emergency. She declared an emergency on Aug. 26."

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Cheney is cowering in his watertight bunker-sure,
counting his Helliburton loot-of course, awaiting for just the right moment to spring his Marshall Law and Secret Goverment into being-Damn straight.

Who's to stop him? The army is in Iraq, and everywhere else but here. The anger of citizens is mounting, the polls are dropping, bush is unraveling, incompetence must be rewarded!

Renquist has shown that even the Supreme Righty is mortal, Cheney's automated heart has only so many beats left. It's now or never in Bastardland.

Editorials, Including Those at Conservative Papers, Rip Bush's Hurricane Response

White House Briefing: McClellan Responds to Criticism Related to Hurricane

Sorry, this is a really long post. (WP, will you forgive me?) But, it IS highly edited from the actual briefing, and many of the comments have been cut down considerably. So, these are only

------snippets

NEW YORK White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan met with reporters today… (Sept. 1)

Q People on the ground, though are questioning why it's taken three days or more for federal help to arrive, notwithstanding all of the preparations. There's considerable bitterness in some places.

MR. McCLELLAN: I can understand how frustrated people are in the region who have been affected by this. There are some immediate priorities that we must remain focused on. First and foremost, that is saving lives...We continue --- remember, we pre-positioned assets in the region prior to the storm hitting.

MR. McCLELLAN: …Our concern, first and foremost, is with the people who have been displaced or affected otherwise by this major catastrophe.

Q Are you going to bring back any National Guardsmen from Iraq to help?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think that the military talked about that a little bit yesterday. I think you're talking about two separate priorities and we're addressing both.

Q Do you have enough troops on hand?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think that they've indicated that, yes.

MR. McCLELLAN: We --- the President issued disaster declarations for the states in the region prior to the hurricane hitting shore. That enabled FEMA to fully mobilize all the resources needed to pre-position assets...so that they would be able to quickly deploy and help.

Q Scott, there's already a line of discussion going on about the funding of projects prior to this, whether projects in New Orleans, in particular, were under funded because of the Iraq war or for other reasons.

MR. McCLELLAN: As I indicated, this is not a time for politics.

Q I'm talking about policy. I'm talking about the SELA project, for instance, is one some people cite where they felt they needed $60 million in the current '06 fiscal year, they were given $10 million, those types of projects. And a lot of –

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry, which project --

Q SELA --- Southeast Louisiana flood control --

MR. McCLELLAN: Flood control has been a priority of this administration from day one.

Q Local people were asking for more money over the last couple of years. They were quoted in local papers in 2003 and 2004, are saying that they were told by federal officials there wasn't enough money because it was going to Iraq expenditures.

MR. McCLELLAN: …I think some people maybe have tried to make a suggestion or imply that certain funding would have prevented the flooding from happening, and he (some General) has essentially said there's been nothing to suggest that whatsoever, and it's been more of a design issue with the levees.

Q would you concede that … more could have, or should have been done... to move quickly or to be there?

MR. McCLELLAN: Very legitimate question. I think that that's something that, over time, will be able to be addressed and looked at.

Q Scott, since the briefing started, I've gotten a number of emails from people saying that correspondents who've been in Baghdad and New Orleans say Baghdad feels safer to operate in; …They're frustrated that you're deflecting this to FEMA. Is the White House properly, adequately concerned? And can you tell us –

MR. McCLELLAN: Deflecting what to FEMA?

Q You're deflecting all specifics to the FEMA briefing.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I'm not. I've given you some updates, but they are the ones who are in charge of operational aspects on the ground. And the Department of Homeland Security is in charge of the operational aspects from Washington, D.C. …

Q Why have helicopters stopped flying over New Orleans?

MR. McCLELLAN: …the people who are in the best position to give you those updates are the ones who are overseeing the operational activities. That is being done by the Department of Homeland Security in Washington, and it's being done by FEMA on the ground in the region. So that information is being provided to you all.

---and you need to go to the actual link to get the words fully and in context.....

Anyway to get rid of these eugenic bigots? They don't add anything to the conversation, and they just make everyone infuriated.

Fancy Fants Elitist wants to know if there's any way to get rid of these eugenic bigots ... Funny you should ask. We've been talking about this very topic elsewhere lately. But that's a long post.

The short version goes like this: The policy of this blog is to allow --- to champion! --- Freedom of Speech. We don't censor anyone based on content or tone, except for obvious spammers. Your choices are to ignore them or to smack them down. I prefer the smackdown sometimes and the ignore at other times and I can't explain why. Everyone seems to do one or the other on their own internal clock, so to speak.

In your own fancy pants case, I think you should do what you feel is best. All we ask: if some asshole writes something that makes you feel like you're gonna puke, please try to puke on him, not on the carpet. The management thanks you for your courtesy on this issue among many others.

ok, thanks, WP, I'd be interested in what he has to say. It just really bothers me when I see people advocating such nazi like policies (eugenics), and considering that Bush's grandaddy was into just that it's worrisome. I guess in some ways I'm getting a bit freaked out about what I suspect may be going on in New Orleans, and it might be related to some of the hateful rhetoric from earlier. I heard, but have not yet been able to verify, that everyone in the convention center and the dome was given a bracelet to wear and that blacks had one color and other people had other colors. That's a bit spooky. Donele Wilkins, the National Co Chair of the National Black Environmental Justice Network reported this on Laura Flanders tonight. I have not seen any other reports on this, but if that's true, it gives me a very uneasy feeling about this administration's ultimate agenda, and how they are going to take advantage of this tragedy (which they are already trying to). We already know they are trying to create a class war, and considering the absolutely malicious behavior of FEMA to the survivors there, it's getting a bit eerie and frightening. Next thing you know Bush will start blaming poor blacks for the rise in gas prices.

Remarkably similar to a previous world leader blaming other folks for his country's economy...

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond to me, and I'll try and figure out how to deal with these vile individuals.

for informational purposes because brad might want to interview Donele:
National Black Environmental Justice Network - NBEJN is a nonprofit organization that was formed in December 1999 during an emergency gathering of black community activists, labor groups, farmers, educators, youth, lawyers, and health professionals. People from more than 30 states came together in New Orleans, Louisiana, to map out strategies to defeat a pro-environmental racism campaign led by industrial associations and business lobbying groups and to strengthen the environmental justice movement. NBEJN has undertaken a four-point strategy to combat environmental racism that focuses on the following: 1. Safe and Healthy Communities; 2. Sustainable Development and Clean Production; 3. Civil Rights and Equal Protection Laws/Policies; and 4. International Human Rights Protections. For more information, contact Executive Director Damu Smith; National Black Environmental Justice Network; 1400 16th Street N.W., Suite 225; Washington, DC 20036; Phone: 202-265-4919; Fax: 202-265-4912; E-mail: NBEJN029@aol.com.

trolls... be as racist as you want, you're only showing your true colors. Pro-bush and racist. Excellent combination, says it all... double ignorant!!!

Bush slashed disaster funding, FEMA are blocking aid and relief, and those in charge of public transport evacuated immediately, leaving the infrastructure needed to evacuate people out of action.

Those who did WALK to leave the city, got turned back on the interstate and were NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE. So even when they have tried to help themselves... they've been denied that right by the National Guard / FEMA and others in charge of who can go in and out of the city.

Bush is incompetent, his bushit-war funding, his denial of Global Warming, and his slashing of disaster management funds all have contributed to the body count from Katrina.

If you're still sticking up for Bush, discussing IQs isn't going to work in your favour. You've gotta be fucking retarded to still support America's biggest failure. Especially after so many fuck ups.

I guess the chimp will always have his chimpettes though, incapable of winning a single argument but highly skilled when it comes to slinging shit around to avoid a real debate...

Peace!!

On the subject of eugenics:

There was a remarkable experiment/lesson done many years ago after MLK's death by a third grade teacher. On the first day of the exercise she explained that blue eyed children were stupid (she made up a scientific explanation), on the second day she "discovered" she was wrong, and it was brown and green eyed children that were stupid. The days "smart" kids were brutal to the "stupid" kids, and the "stupid" kids started acting stupid. Bottom line: people live up to or down to what is expected of them.

Lesson of a Lifetime

For a critique of the dangers of eugenics In the Name of Eugenics is a good book.

Bottom line on this: Huge harm was caused by eugenicists looking for genetic causes of social ills. This is a bad line of thinking, and one that led to Hitler's pograms. PLEASE do not ever fall for the trap of thinking that because one ethnic group is uneducated it is because of genes. It is clearly because of their role in society, and how society treats them.

A comment on the book: I am a population geneticist, and I found the book to be a bit unfair to several fine geneticists who were forced to incorporate "eugenics" into textbooks to satisfy publishers. I am thinking here of people like Castle. Davenport deserves all the derision he gets.

Haven't even read all the way through the comments. Can't.

All these posters complaigning about the IQ of the people who stayed have obviously never lived paycheck to paycheck. I don't mean to make your mortgage, but to eat.

Oh, some of you have? Well, remember when it was at it's worst? When you bought 24 packs of ramen noodles to eat for the next 2 weeks because they were a quarter a package, and ten bucks was all you had left after paying the 2 month late rent?

Imagine at the height of your financial misery, the news reporting that everyone should leave and travel about 500 miles, and then obtain someplace to stay.

Lets see, a bus is between $50-100. You have 4 bucks left. Planes, well, out of the question. No friends with cars (you live in the city afterall, so they are not necessary and you couldn't afford one anyways) You could begin walking. You estimate you would make it 40-80 miles by the time the hurricane hit. What was the diameter of that hurricane again?
You still wouldn't have somewhere to stay, which might be important considering it is, after all, a hurricane. Fortunately you don't have children to look after.

Some idiots look around their own lives, see the large number of resources that they have, and just can't imagine that poor people don't have at least some of those same types of resources.

I was this poor once, thank God no hurricanes hit.

It's not a question of loosing everything you own in a catastrophe, it's that many don't have enough to turn into an escape plan PRIOR to the catastrophe, much less maintain an existence afterward.

MUST READ!

Viewpoint: Has Katrina saved US media?

The questions a shocked America is asking its President.

#55
Good points, Citizen, and one other. This President was aware that it was very possible that this could happen, he was warned specifically about the possibility of a storm devastating New Orleans. So it was a lack of planning on this administration's part, or rather, I think, a willful negligence to do anything about it. I think that's pretty apparent in how the are bungling the relief efforts, it's really sounding like they are trying to bungle it as much as possible. :angry: They want developers to make money off this tragedy and since the bankruptcy bill will totally screw the poor up down there, they're probably gonna get their way, unless we impeach these bastards for being the murderers they are.

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Re: #56 --- As someone who hasn't watched television to any extent from at least the '70's, I certainly cannot comment specifically on current coverage other than from what I read. I watch videos now and then, so I do have a tv.

But, a few days ago, I decided to check it out. We get one channel out here - ABC. It was the morning show, and I had to turn it off after a few minutes. A couple's baby was found after much searching and so on. Same old corporate keep-'em-ignorant and in-a-sentimental-mush crap. Couldn't stand it - when thousands are dying.

I know Diane Sawyer and the morning show is not a sampling and probably isn't representative of the many hours of coverage that is happening.

From what I read, there is definitely a "spike" in the flat landscape of corporate news coverage, which is good and reason for a certain amount of hope, but I believe the MSM won't be "saved" - cannot be saved - until conditions delineated in the article itself are seriously dealt with, namely:

--"National politics reporters and anchors here come largely from the same race and class as the people they are supposed to be holding to account.

Giant corporations own the networks, and Washington politicians rely on them and their executives to fund their re-election campaigns across the 50 states."

Welcome back, BS.

I am in Baton Rouge and just got power back Saturday afternoon, and am still catching up with everything from the past week. Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but the local newspaper and tv station (that is still privately owned) is a LITTLE better than most MSM news. Their website is www.2theadvocate.com.

Also, the New Orleans paper has excellent articles http://www.nola.com/news...ives/2005_09.html#076771

In the past few days our city's population has doubled- some news reports say tripled. Everyone knows someone from the New Orleans area. I have lots of relatives who live there or in the area. They are ok but we still don't know about their property. A long-time family friend has not heard from her daughter and grandkids who live on the edge of the French Quarter.

People are quick to blame the victims or to act as if they deserve it because they are poor, but the poor manage to survive things that most people couldn't handle at all. Most people could not survive the kind of life that many of these poor people have. They may not have much, but they have the most important thing: the right priorities about what is truly important in life... those "moral values" that the other side talks so much about as they let the people of New Orleans die.

Here in BR we are hearing that the death toll will be in the thousands or even tens of thousands. We can help third-world countries. We can build military bases to bring "democracy" to people that do not want it and were better off before we interfered, but our government would not help its own.

The LA Congressional delegation has been trying for years to get proper funding to improve the levees, but instead the funding has been cut. With the current funding they can barely maintain the levees that they have. It has been known for a very long time that a hurricane could devastate the City. It is almost 300 years old, and there is no other place like it in the world. It is a treasure that should be protected.

Had the Louisiana National Guard and their equipment not been in Iraq, they could've saved a lot of these people with their trucks that can go through deeper water than the Humvees. But I guess the U.S. govt needs those trucks in Iraq in case the desert floods and they need to rescue the Iraq people.

I'm not sure calling for the sterilization of blacks because they might be on welfare and some might have lower than average IQ (of which there is absolutely no proof whatsoever) is something that should be tolerated anywhere, and in many states it's not. I read the other thread, and I think what might be adviseable is acknowledging when people get upset about such posts. Bigots such as these are NOT going to change their opinion, they only have one reason to be here, and that's to disrupt the channel, and it seems on this thread we got a whole freeping clutch of them.

Having moderated a number of lists, as well as having been members of lists, I have seen a number of styles in how to deal with obvious s**t stirrers. Because that's all these people are. Since lists are owned (and in this case forums/blogs) and controlled by individuals, those that control it can say "Hey, that's enough".

Those miscreants also have a responsibility to play well with others, and it's really not my job or anyone else's except the owners of the list to explain that to them. I would hope this would mean that you would get rid of people who were stalking a poster or harassing them, because that's criminal behavior. Free speech ends when your fist is too close to my nose, and on the internet that I think should include advocating killing a whole class/race of people (which is essentially what was being advocated above). No one who is a regular to your blog can see something like that without getting physically ill, and personally it makes me worry about what could happen on this blog and the impression tolerating such hate could leave to new posters who would read that and misunderstand the bradblog. Disagreement and political discourse is one thing, and can lead to lively debate, but what they were saying up above was positively evil, and you can't "debate" such vile attitudes.

Now when it comes to "elevating" the level of discourse, that's all fine and good, but I make it a policy of not engaging with trolls. I have learned that people with that amount of hatred will NOT change their attitude, so I don't engage with them. They are truly a lost cause.

If you won't get rid of the rif raff is there anyway that people can set them on ignore so they don't SEE those posters posts?

Thanks,
(I'm a fancy pants elitist because I READ)

Welcome back, BS; or, Didn't Brad tell you to beat it?

Valley Girl,
Everytime I see how Scotty anwers questions it just amazes me that some member of the press whores doesn't go up to the podium and give him a wedgie.

He's so patently ridiculous.

Thanks (I think) for sharing :hehe:

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10:12: A.M. - Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard: I'm not surprised at what the feds say, they're covering their butts. They're keeping the body counts down because they don't want to horrify the nation. It's worse than Iraq, worse than 9-11. They just don't want to know how many were murdered by bureaucracy.

10:10 A.M. - Broussard: I know what the body count is so far, but I won't horrify the nation.

And this, Labor Day shocker
http://buzzflash.com/

Spinning away,to cover their butts

I can answer your questions and comments better in a seemingly random and almost reverse order, if that's ok with your fancy pants ...

is there any way that people can set them on ignore so they don't SEE those posters posts?

no, unfortunately. All you can do is scroll past them

when it comes to "elevating" the level of discourse, that's all fine and good, but I make it a policy of not engaging with trolls

I'm not saying you should engage with them, I'm saying you should make a more intelligent comment than they made. I don't mean talk to them; I mean talk to us. Talk around them. Drop innuendos about them if you like, But give us something better to read than what the trolls gave us. That shouldn't be too hard.

those that control it can say "Hey, that's enough"

quite true. Brad's in control here. I'm his assistant. In the past there have been times when I wanted to delete posts because they were so nasty and he has said "leave them alone" ... and there has also been a time when I deleted some posts without asking and Brad emailed me and said "for the record, I would have left those posts alone" ... so that's what I do ... and that's the policy I was explaining ... it's Brad's policy and it was here before I got here and it's still here now

Those miscreants also have a responsibility to play well with others, and it's really not my job or anyone else's except the owners of the list to explain that to them

I don't think Brad sees it this way. But we can ask him when he gets back. It's my impression that Brad thinks we're better off knowing what the lunatics are thinking than otherwise, know your enemy and all that. Even to a regular, some of the nasty comments are very sickening, if you read them. So in a sense I guess we're asking people not to read them.

And you are quite right to say "what might be adviseable is acknowledging when people get upset about such posts" ... I have taken the attitude of not admitting that the hateful posts bother me, because I think that's what those posters want to do, bother people, and if we let on that we're bothered it will only encourage them. If we sneer at them and point out how evil they are, but without ever engaging them, then there's nothing here for them to feed on. But if we spend too much time talking about them, no matter what they say, they get their grins, because we're derailed. And that's why I try not to even acknowledge them, most of the time, and I try not to read them, most of the time ... but I do get your point and well spoken on that one!

This is about all I can say right now but we can bring this up again with Brad when he gets back [and/or I can send him e-mail pointing to this discussion!] and we'll see what he says....

Thanks
WP
(a plain-pants idealist)

Ken - Wrong. Just mouthing the conventional myths. Poor-bashing is so easy, isn't it? Doesn't take any research or thought at all.

Same with BS/Paula. There is no thought behind "This is the way low-IQ people prepare for an emergency." It's just a statement. Even if the people were low-IQ, there is no indication that they wouldn't try to save themselves or follow simple instructions. It would be more reasonable to look for the failure to evacuate elsewhere, possibly in lack of transportation, in living conditions, even in distrust. IQ - within reasonable bounds - wouldn't be a much of a factor in fleeing from a hurricane.

#'s 53-55 and 62 are excellent, sensible posts.

{this comment has been deleted. the same imposter is using multiple names to make it look like there are other people who agree with him. One name per poster, Ken or Ben or whatever your name is! WP}

Wow. Looks like Katrina has unleashed floodgates of racism in the raw.

Or is it classism? Or is it both?

Looks like this man is toast

http://www.thecarpetbagg....com/wp-print.php?p=5167

Do we now live in an era where even cities are considered disposable?

# 64
wrong- reread what I wrote.

I did not say "total military" as you said, or even "military". I said LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD. There is a difference. The National Guard is supposed to handle disasters in the U.S., not fight wars overseas. That is for the regular military.

The LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD is one of the biggest National Guard units in Iraq- camp Tigerland, named after the LSU Tigers National Championship football team. Our elected officials claim that Louisiana has the largest National Guard unit in Iraq.

IQ has nothing to do with evacuating or not. Some of the most intelligent, most affluent chose not to evacuate. Three of those who stayed are relatives of mine. They stayed because they'd lived there for 60+ years and had been through many other hurricanes. I know of others who also stayed. Fortunately their areas did not flood so they were able to get out on their own after the storm. Stupid, yes- but a lot of people think that way.

While the poor survive (hopefully) and recover from this however they can get by, the more affluent are increasing their doses of the Zoloft or Paxil or Prozac or whatever they were already taking for their "stressful" lives, because now they are so stressed by being without power for a day or two and having to wait in line to get gas that they can't cope without increasing their medications.

I am thankful that my worst problems from the storm were no power for six days and now gas lines and temporary shortages at the grocery stores here. That is nothing compared to what the New Orleans people are going through. And I will gladly help those less fortunate...

Paula: There sure wasn't "selective breeding for intelligence" when they made you!

I think Paula was created by the process called "Bimbonics".

They should only try Saddam Hussein after they try "W" for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Actually, given the fact that the entire invasion of Iraq is 100% illegal, everything flowing from it is as well. The conditions that led to Saddam Hussein being arrested would not have occurred except for this illegal invasion and occupation. So from a legal standpoint, the occupation "authority" or the puppet "Iraqi" "authorities" have absolutely no legal standing whatsoever to conduct a trial of Saddam Hussein. Any trial in which the accused is seized under illegal conditions is not valid.

The hateful, rascist comments by the Bush supporters would indicate they agree that Bush's behaviour appears to be rascist.

Brown of FEMA is another loser like Bush --- never accomplished anything --- everything handed to him --- bunch of total losers. Have to get them ALL out of government.

Paula #59 is a fool. Maybe one day she'll be old, alone and stuck in a wheel-chair with limited funds --- and with that attitude, I don't think she'll have many/any friends at all. Maybe she'll be glad then if anyone cares at all about whether she lives or dies or suffers in the event of a natural disaster where she lives.

Ken #64 - Another jack-ass (sigh)...yes, America has a lot of ignorant citizens...and Ken isn't bright enough to know he's one of them.

#69 - It's both, I think, Phil.

Paula what slave ship did your ancestors come over in.

BIG DAN got it right first time ,"Bimbonics".

bush sheeple would prefer victims pay for rescues ,maybe all "first responders" could carry Mastercard or Visa Card terminals ,so you can pay on the spot.

I live in New Zealand and with a population of only 4 million people we have free health care for all,unemployment benifits for all (with no time limit),a living wage minimum (nobody relies on "tips" to lift their wage to a "living wage"),and we need "proof" before we help invade other countries .

Your only a "Superpower" if you have "Super leadership" IMHO
mick

Wow Mick --- You sure did nail that one!! But nobody will ever believe you. Why? I've been working on that question for a while now and I have come to believe that most Americans haven't got enough guts to face the fact you are absolutely right, and that, according to your definition, we haven't been a superpower in more than forty years. My opinion only, of course. But I dare you to share it!

Let's all welcome TNT, Paula, Ricky, Lefty, and Ken-Ben, to a blog with the truth on it. Welcome! And keep posting!!! We want to know how you feel about things! Thank you! We want to hear "the other side", too. The rightwing-conservative side.

It's clear that you feel the blacks have a low IQ and should die, and they deserve to die, too! We all want to know how you feel about the New Orleans crisis. Thank you for "your side of the story".

Do you think there's WMD's in Iraq??? Please respond...

82 Big Dan

LOL, Welcome them? the first thing I thought of was something my son used to say when he was small

I CAN"T WANT TO!!!

Another big LOL for Big Dan!

:plain:
Don't blog much-here it is in black and white-IMHO of course!
Cheney is in a dark crypt conjuring demons and having some 'satanic' rites as people suffer and die as he laughs like the f........ ghoul he really is!!! :confused:

:angry:
Oh yeah, for the record, because Bush just so happens to live in Texas is in no way, I hope, a reflection of the fine folks in this state-what a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not nor from now on will he represent this or any other state in the union. He is a hideous disgusting creature, plain and simple, and is now considered by most Texans as nothing short of a complete embarrasment to not only the state of Texas, the U.S.-but the entire globe!!! This man is a monster-an ugly, hideous monster of a creature, not even human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[I'm in Dallas, BTW]

TNT, Paula, and others of your ilk: If you have no compassion for other human beings you might as well not call yourself human. How dare you judge other people. The time is coming when you will be judged by a Higher Power.

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Does anybody else think it's particularly odd that Rehnquist didn't retire from his post before he died even though he was looking not-so-good at all? It almost seems as if he didn't want a psycho (Bush) picking people for the U.S. Supreme Court--like he was holding on at least until Dumbass got out of office.

#88

It is true that our levees are not as good as those some smaller European countries, who have been maintaining them for 2000 years.

And theirs are getting better and better while ours are degenerating.

It is true that we cannot do what they do, have about a third of their population (10 million) living below sea level behind levees.

The reason, however, is social incompetence in government. Brazen and crazed politicians can decide to let the levees degenerate into dangerous levels and expose the inhabitants to peril.

In decent countries this does not happen. But since our government is not decent, perhaps it is true that we should not allow anyone to live where it is dangerous in the US.

That means a forced evacuation of millions of americans to a place that does not yet exist.