READER COMMENTS ON
"Hocking County, OH Barred from Replacing Recount Whistleblower Sherole Eaton"
(45 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Constant
said on 7/6/2005 @ 2:47 pm PT...
Wow! Whistleblower protection!
It will be interesting to see if there is any attempted re-retribution later. I would hope the bloggers rise to the occaision should retribution come later.
A time delay should not be an excuse to forget those who stood up to solve the problem; not should a lag in time be an excuse to be slow in coming to their aid when they may be more vulnerable and out of the spotlight.
Stay close and be ready to make waves if there are problems down the line, no matter how many years later they may choose to seek vengeance.
At the very least, there should be a public accounting for those who took retribution already; indeed, they have much to explain especially when there are questions as to what pressure the White House and Gonzalez have put on those to keep silent about the voting fraud.
Moreover, these are matters which need to be brough up during the confirmation hearings, especially sine Gonzalez looks like he's gotten a green light. The last thing we need on teh Supreme Court is soneone who thinks it's "OK" to commit torture.
Gonzalez remains an alleged war crimminal and should not be given a serious review, but a filibuster.
Ah, but I digress from the 2004 election and the glacial manner to which this "democracy" reconciles its votes. [ More . . . ]
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Don
said on 7/6/2005 @ 3:07 pm PT...
I'm a long way from trusting this completely corrupt Ohio government to consider wasting any more effort to vote, but this is a welcome victory for a well deserving person.
These people will never give up their control, but this will certainly expose some of them for the rats they are.
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Catherine a
said on 7/6/2005 @ 4:10 pm PT...
Thanks goodness for people like Eaton who are willing to speak out and who refuse to be intimidated. And same for Arnebeck who has been equally willing to put his head above the parapet on her behalf.
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MarkH
said on 7/6/2005 @ 5:12 pm PT...
Apparently we Dems need to work very hard to reveal all the Republicans wearing Democratic labels to get on a Board of Election or other election offices.
This is a fundamental requirement for protecting the interests of Democratic voters!
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Peg C
said on 7/6/2005 @ 6:26 pm PT...
Good news indeed for Sherole Eaton; but mandated Diebold voting machines? I guess they worked their nefarious business so well they're going to be permanent fixtures. Perhaps the GOP thugs will erect a monument to them in front of the state house!
God, this country is in trouble!!!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Scott
said on 7/6/2005 @ 6:36 pm PT...
This was just the first victory in Ohio, Howard Dean recently spoke on record in interview.
Here is what he said:
"“Nobody likes corruption, whether they’re conservative or liberal,” he remarked. “I’d like to use this to spearhead election reform, banning voting machines that can’t be counted by hand… I’ve always been a big fan of instant run-off voting. We also need some reforms of ethics in congress.”"
LINK
Ban voting machines indeed!! We will win this war and have a new boston tea party, by openly firing and forcing the resignation of all corrupt democrats on the Ohio BOEs. Then we will all march on Blackwell's building and the Capital in Washington D.C.
Its time to force america to take its rights back!!!
Scott
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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JIMMMO
said on 7/6/2005 @ 6:38 pm PT...
{Comment deleted for repeated, flagrant and extended inability to show common courtesy or follow the general rules of posting here.}
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Scott
said on 7/6/2005 @ 6:43 pm PT...
As we can see by JIMMO and other flaunting filthy language perps, they are scared of what's coming.
Now we can see their true colors, no doubt Gonzales would be better as a "SCOTUS" judge then an Attorney General, since as Attorney General he whitewashes all investigations. I'm betting Gonzales being forced onto the bench would cause all conservatives to rise up and want to destroy Bush, and that's the reason Harry Reid is applauding it as a good idea.
It would become the ultimate in-fighting parade.
Scott
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 7/6/2005 @ 6:57 pm PT...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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NewYorker
said on 7/6/2005 @ 7:12 pm PT...
Jimmo's New Year's RESOLUTIONS:
"GO GET A REAL JOB
STAY OFF THESE NUT JOBS BLOGS
STOP SMOKING
MOVE OUT OF THE TRAILER COURT"
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 7/6/2005 @ 8:30 pm PT...
When I saw this story, I started dovetailing my research efforts to see just what in the hell was going on with Karl Rove's friend Lewis Libby.
http://www.capitolhillbl...?archive=32&num=4629
http://www.waynemadsenre...m/diplomatic/foreign.htm
More on the front page of http://waynemadsenreport.com
Apparently they put america in harm's way directly and committed treason, in order to send a message to those who would whistle blow on the manufacturing of evidence.
Niger-Gate is related to the forging of documents in order to give USA authority to go to war, and Joseph Wilson along with his friends were exposing this fraud.
In addition to this the democratic BOE members in Ohio could face criminal prosecution, for deliberately covering up a city of fraud and lying to officials about what they were doing. These folks fired Sherole Eaton and are now being forced to accept her back on the Board of Elections along with possible resignations.
Witness the telltale chart of 2004 fraud in a scathing, ugly linear regression graph
http://www.geocities.com...nRate_17859_image001.png
Yes, this was just the beginning.
Doug E.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 7/6/2005 @ 9:03 pm PT...
I was wondering if Morton Blackwell who founded the Leadership Institute, (which has been devoted for 25 years to turning out right-wing activists and journalists. Karl Rove is its best-known graduate.)
and Kenneth Blackwell of Ohio are connected in any way?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Representative Peter King R-NY
said on 7/6/2005 @ 9:30 pm PT...
"It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting!"
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 7/6/2005 @ 9:45 pm PT...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 7/6/2005 @ 10:13 pm PT...
Easily. This graph shows a comparison between actual exit poll completion rates, and final vote counts across each state.
In Graph 1, Kerry's % of the state vote, in ascending order, left to right.
In Graph 2, Corresponding Exit poll completion rate, left to right.
For both graphs, the best fit-straight line has been calculated.
y = a + bx is the equation of a straight line, where b is the slope.
Both "best-fit" linear equations are clearly stated and shown as dashed lines on the graph.
Now watch the regression:
Kerry's vote percentage increases in states going from left to right (increasing slope). The corresponding state exit poll completion rates decrease (negative slope).
Easy answer:
There is a negative correlation between Kerry's vote and the completion rate. They move opposite to each other.
Since the completion rates and vote %s move opposite of eachother, it is clear that the opposite answer has been achieved versus Mitofsky's responder analysis.
States moved opposite eachother in the single graph moving farther and farther apart from recorded vote, particularly in states Ohio, Nevada, Florida.
The single state of Ohio observed one of the largest anomolies, strongly showing there was an abundance of manipulation.
Doug E.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 7/6/2005 @ 10:25 pm PT...
Sherole is quite an inspiration.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 7/7/2005 @ 1:24 am PT...
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COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/7/2005 @ 3:20 am PT...
Sherole Eaton is the new Karen Silkwood! Now if we can get the mainstream media to cover the story and/or a filmmaker to do the same, it would go far to making Americans understand what a cesspool the state of Ohio has become.
Michael Moore, are you listening?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 7/7/2005 @ 3:36 am PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Scott
said on 7/7/2005 @ 4:23 am PT...
Doug E and Robert,
This has turned out exactly as I had feared then. I tried to tell everyone back then what a whining bunch of pro-fascist kids the republican leadership was, but would they listen? No.
They just kept going on and on about how evil Bill Clinton was. That's all it comes down to for the Tom DeLay's of the world, blame anything and everything on Clinton.
I mean just look at this sad state of shitty affairs. If this was not a civil country and our laws did not deter people from severe beatings, I'd be inclined to go up to our congress represenatives offices and forcably bend them over: Then beat them long and hard with a spanking paddle.
I've never seen such a idiotic bunch of ten year olds! Can you imagine looking back on the year 2004 how bad this looks in history?
Congress, the president, and a bunch of fascists couldn't get their war. So in comes John Kerry who is nothing more than a middle of the road contendor, but also a fine honest man, and the stupid idiots in the Bush administration have to steal almost 3 million votes in order to beat him!
Isn't that truly just embarassing? Democrats all over know that they stole the election. Many of them simply are afraid of being ridiculed for wearing a space cadet hat or something.
But every piece of evidence points to the fact, including, my god actual witnesses!!! You can't get anymore clear than that! There is not one piece of evidence showing the election wasn't stolen. Not one!
Plus you have unverifiable machines everywhere, the cheating was a guarantee. Can you folks even imagine how bad it would be if the illegal war, downing street minutes and Rove being a traitor had come out during November?
We'd have Rush Limbaugh as president before we ever got Bush! No amount of fraud could have prevented the voter turnout that would happen, had that been the case.
So again I think its just about that time to pull the plug on these sloppy, criminal infested, mafia dropouts who call themselves moral republicans.
A pouring into the streets and throwing corrupt police and other assorted hoodlums down, then storming the capital and forcing impeachments.
And I thank the god that the one different thing is, someone with the fighting spirit like Howard Dean represents americans finally!
Scott
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Scott
said on 7/7/2005 @ 5:27 am PT...
Everybody pay no attention to the terrorists behind the curtain.
http://edition.cnn.com/2...pe/07/07/london.timeline
London was bombed in another terrorist attack, just as Tony Blair is admitting to downing street minutes and joining the G8 conference?
Be openly skeptical now, because we know what neocons are capable of.
It is my firm belief that the attacks on London soil, were co-ordinated by Saudi foreign agents hired or in connection with the traitors in the White House.
They were done in retribution for the Downing Street Meetings and Blair refusing to keep playing the game on Iraq.
Read between the lines, nothing is sacred for these criminals. Not even treason, and they have allies in the israel right-wing groups who are conditioned to commit terrorist attacks:
http://www.waynemadsenre...m/diplomatic/foreign.htm
It was planned plain and simple, to hurt Blair and force EU to support Iraq wars and more fascism.
Remember everybody, the neocons actually openly support a few terrorists and have committed treason. THEY must be removed as quickly as possible, since they are a threat to everyone including themselves.
Lets never get distracted, DSM & treason; Tony Blair lies, and a terrorist group coverup. "REAL" terrorism is random and not planned or too perfect for words....The crooks must go down hard, if we are to ever combat real terrorism effectively.
Scott
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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daveM
said on 7/7/2005 @ 6:00 am PT...
One person does make a difference, and the 6 or 7 will continue to do so. I am not deterred by the time lag between the election and the uncovering of the fraud. And since neither are the posters here, the fraud perpetrators will face time in the public light for their actions.
Perhaps some inventive type will come up with a stapler on an extendable pole to mount flyers high up. A small American flag mounted next to the posting for added effect.
Peace and the prospect of a fair vote to all.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/7/2005 @ 6:44 am PT...
For Scott: Howard Dean hasn't talked about the stolen election, either.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 7/7/2005 @ 6:56 am PT...
I want to send a prayer out to all the folks killed and hurt in London.
I too wonder who is really behind such events, which seem to ocurr at times of political convenience. But for the moment, that is not foremost on my mind.
Robert, Dean did say that we need machines that can be recounted on paper. That's pretty darn close to acknowledging the Stolen Election issue.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/7/2005 @ 7:10 am PT...
Better than saying nothing, Phil. But for me, for Dean and the DNC to talk only about FUTURE ELECTIONS, without exposing and punishing those who stole THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS, is like a cop investigating a series of bank robberies and telling the bank's president, "Now let's see what we can do to make sure this doesn't happen again."
Would a cop ever say that? Of course not. Would the bank president accept it if he did? I'm sure the banker would say, "Never mind NEXT TIME, officer. Crimes were committed here. I expect you to catch the guy who did it THE LAST TWO TIMES!"
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 7/7/2005 @ 7:47 am PT...
Our thoughts and prayers are with the Brits.
Regardless of the aggressors the innocents didn't deserve to be attacked. Best wishes to all Brits!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Sam
said on 7/7/2005 @ 8:10 am PT...
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 7/7/2005 @ 9:07 am PT...
AT LAST--a full account by Vickie Karp of the Election Assessment Hearing in Houston. This was the event organized by Kip Humphrey which featured the *real* election reform activists. The media were conspicuously absent.
Karp includes excellent summaries of all of the witness testimony, plus an account of the questions put to latecomer Robert Pastor (he of the Carter-Baker Commission who was convinced that all his email came from only "six or seven" Brad Bloggers)--and his embarrassing non-answers.
See here for a riveting read. Maybe Pastor deserves six or seven more letters.
I haven't heard much of anything about the "official" Carter-Baker hearing that took place the next day. Sounds like the media ignored that one, too. Anyone here know anything about it?
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 7/7/2005 @ 9:51 am PT...
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DaWookie
said on 7/7/2005 @ 11:47 am PT...
I was lucky, I missed the Liverpool Street bomb by half an hour on my way to a job interview.
By the time the interview was over, 37 people were dead and 700 were wounded and central London was cordoned off, no buses, no tubes, no trains and no taxis. Lots and lots of Ambulances, Police cars and Fire Engines - sirens non-stop for over 3 hours.
The mobile networks were overloaded, so I couldn't call my family to let them know I was okay until after 11:00.
So far as I know all my friends and family are okay, I got lucky - I just had to walk six miles home in the rain. All things considered, I'm totally cool with that.
I don't wish to sound paranoid, but does this happening less than a week after the British Military announced a pull out of Iraq smell fishy to anyone else?
Keep the faith people.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 7/7/2005 @ 12:00 pm PT...
DaWookie #33 -
How glad we are that you're all right!!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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jean
said on 7/7/2005 @ 12:21 pm PT...
Dout, I'm sorry, but could you kind of dumb down your explanation now? Thanks!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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jean
said on 7/7/2005 @ 12:23 pm PT...
er, that would be "Doug." I'm not too swift, and I can't type, either!
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Catherine a
said on 7/7/2005 @ 12:54 pm PT...
DaWookie,
Yes, it smells very fishy to me, too. It pulls international focus back to "terrorism" (and away from inconvenient topics like 3rd world debt, climate change, Delay scandal, voting machine hacking/certification scandals, etc.) Plus it happened just after London won their bid to host the Olympics after next. How convenient.
Glad you made it home ok. Good luck with the job interview, if it's one that you want.
My thoughts fly across the water to all the folks in distress. Our lifestyle makes us all so incredibly vulnerable to disruptions of this kind. And the "better" our lifestyle, the more vulnerable we are.
At the same time, I can't help thinking how much worse things are in Iraq than anything being experienced in London. The disruption, fear, chaos, injuries and death are ongoing there. I wouldn't wish these experiences on the people I find most distasteful. I wish the folks who are running things behind the scenes would wake up and realize what they are doing and make some contact with the human suffering they are creating.
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Doug Eldritch
said on 7/7/2005 @ 12:58 pm PT...
I copied it from elsewhere.
Short answer:
Since Kerry exit poll interview takers were less likely to be polled and the trend kept decreasing across state, fraud & manipulation are the only viable explanation.
Kerry interviewers kept declining in rate the reverse of the trend Mitofsky claims happened.
Doug E.
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Torqued
said on 7/7/2005 @ 1:20 pm PT...
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Kira
said on 7/7/2005 @ 1:21 pm PT...
DaWookie #33:
OMG. My hands are clammy as I type this. I am so glad you are OK, but I am so sorry your country is having a 9/11 of your own.
I heard from a friend today that I've not heard from in a long time, who sounded the ALARM about the "curious coincidence" of this attack coming at the time of the controversial G8 Summit in Scotland. I don't think she would mind my quoting her here:
"What kind of idiot terrorists are these? They could have (and should have if they had two brain cells to knock together) attacked this controversial Summit meeting. Why not? Whose agenda is being promoted by these attacks - certainly not the terrorists. And, why is security always so great that the leaders are never hurt while every other form of security seems to be headed up by the Keystone Cops? Are we not supposed to notice this?
Listen to how Bush portrays the G-8 nations and leaders as the GOOD guys and the terrorists as the BAD guys!. Come on! The major news story seems to be how this terrorist attack won't stop these GOOD leaders from completing their meeting. Now, people will become united to support the G-8 meeting to keep the BAD guys from spoiling the fun. See how the result is being manipulated to benefit the G-8? Doesn't it look like these two teams are really on the same side? According to them, am I on the side of the terrorists because I don't support the G-8?"
AND as DaWookie mentioned - it also relates to the British Military pull-out of Iraq.
My friend ended her note with this:
"Let's wake up and let our elected leaders know they can't pull any more fast ones on us! Let our battle cry be instead of 'Remember the Alamo," - "Remember the Constitution & the Bill of Rights!'"
I'm so sorry this has happened in the UK. We are with you, brother DaWookie.
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Kira
said on 7/7/2005 @ 1:23 pm PT...
Great link, Torqued! Thank you.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 7/7/2005 @ 1:25 pm PT...
Oh DaWookie what a trip! Happy you were able to make it home safe. Thoughts and prayers going out to all you and your fellow countrymen/women.
We are so used to being lied to by the thugs in power that it's hard to accept a terrorist attack actually being done by terrorists... Will we ever know the entire truth of the last 5 years?
I wonder if the PNAC'ers will tie this to Iran somehow?
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/7/2005 @ 4:18 pm PT...
Torqued: I e-mailed Ron Baiman to thank him for his analysis, and asked, "How can we spread the word to the mainstream media?"
Baiman is with the University of Chicago. Shouldn't our "friend" at the Chicago Tribune, Don Wycliff, be provided with this information? It seems the findings support Robert Koehler 100%.
I think this is huge. I'd be interested in the viewpoints of others (even Jimmo's, if he possibly could understand the mathematics involved).
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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Marianna Carroll
said on 7/7/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Hurrah for Sherole Eaton and her courageous defiance of the corrupt Board of Elections. As for Cliff Arnebeck, he is a phenomenally brave, patriotic American. He remains steadfast and undeterred in his pursuit of justice in Ohio's election fraud. I met Brad & Cliff at the Nashville April Conference - "Gathering to Save Our Democracy." All of the speakers & attendees were great, patriotic citizens! I gave Cliff a copy of Nat Hentoff's book, "The War on the Bill of Rights & the Gathering Resistance." I implore everyone to read it & give copies to friends & family!! Kudos to Cliff!
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MMIIXX
said on 7/7/2005 @ 10:22 pm PT...
DaWookie glad your OK ....use the force .....don't be swayed by the darkside....
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Armadillious
said on 7/8/2005 @ 6:19 am PT...
I shudder to think that America has been taken over by some sort of electronic coup but that is what it really looks like at this point. We are going to have to figure out some way to get our once great Nation back from these unscrupulous people. This may be the greatest challenge our Democracy has faced yet.
Arma
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joe
said on 7/17/2005 @ 7:36 pm PT...
JUST WATCHED EVEN BAHY,OF INDIANS ONCE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNER,SOME LITTLE OLD LADT CAME TO HIM,TOLD HIM SHE WAS GOING TO MOVE TO VICTORIA OR SOME OTHER COUNTRY,BECAUSE THE ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN TWICE IN A ROW.THE FORMER GOVERNER SAID TO HER,'THE ELECTIONS WERE NOT,NOT STOLEN,THERE WERE SOME PROPLEMS,BUT THE ELECTIONS WERE NOT STOLEN BY THE REPUBLICANS,THEN HE SAID AND JOHN DEAN CONCURS WITH ME,AND AS YOU KNOW ,HE IS NO FRIEND O0F THE REPUBLICANS
THIS WAS ON C-SPAN SUNDAY NIGHT 7;00PM
NOW THAT SEEMS TO CONFLICT WITH ALL YOU ON THE LEFT,CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME
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uyyjzbv@lycos.com
said on 4/21/2006 @ 3:40 pm PT...