Brad,

It is interesting to think that, had Bush continued to pursue bin Laden at Tora Bora instead of letting him get away, then turn us to Iraq... perhaps those attacks would have gone down in the years since 9/11... d'ya think?

If Gore had been President, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

Richard Clarke says Clinton ordered the CIA to kill Osama and
they didn't get around to it. Clinton wanted attacks on the
al Qaeda camps and the brass said "bad idea."

Richard Clarke developed a plan to go after al Qaeda financially
and militarily. Clinton would have implemented it, but he didn't
want to pass off to Bush a half-done war.

When Clarke visited Condi, Sandy Berger went along to
underscore the seriouslness of the al Qaeda threat. Condi
rejected Clarke's plan, and Bush shut down FBI investigations
of suspected terrorist financiers, including those of bin Laden
relatives.

Under Gore, with Clarke's plan in effect, our nation would
have been on alert, expecting al Qaeda reprisals.

Under Bush, we ignored warnings from 11 countries and from
FBI agents in Phoenix, Minneapolis, and Chicago. Under
Bush, Osama met with the CIA in the Amrerican Hospital in
Dubai in 7/01 when he was supposedly the most wanted man
on earth. That same month at the G8 in Genoa the Italians
installed SAMs to protect against an expected aerial attack
from... Osama bin Laden! Richard Clarke knew the "Atlanta
Rules" that closed the airspace above the 1996 Atlanta
Olympics.

And then Condi has the nerve to say nobody ever thought of
using aircraft as weapons! Well why did Bush have 24 hour
fighter cover in Crawford in 8/01?

9/11 would not have happened under Gore, and why the Dems
let Bush paint himself as strong on terror completely baffles me.

But let's talk about something important, like Michael Jackson
or that missing white girl.

MissionNOTAccomplished: END Bu$h, Blair nuclear-age imperialism, NOW:

http://www.democraticund...9510&mesg_id=4039510

Peace.
UL

Speaking of the "War on Terra"...

Re: the London bombings this morning:

What's odd about this picture?

Then, a few hours later...

WTF????

Call me cynical but is this a "false flag op"

WhatReallyHappened.com is covering discrepancies in the London stories today, including some interesting financial transaction data. I'm not saying any of this is true but a questioning mind is a survival skill since bush forced his way into our lives.

MMIIXX --

It's not an al-queda op for sure.

What are the benefits of a false flag attack on London? I see it
driving a wedge between the Brits and Bush, and greatly
embarassing the Bush regime. After all, they can't blame this one
on Saddam, and just two weeks ago Goss said he knew where
Osama was--but apparently they didn't bother to keep an eye on him.

TORQUED
funny how good the timing is for bush ,takes the heat off the africa debt reduction etc. probably going to blame Iran

Iran did it. Yeah that's it. That's the ticket. Hey tony...

PETGOAT what are the benefits to al-queda
Africa has a large muslim population ,its like shooting yourself in the foot,after the G8 would have made more sense for al-queda if bush dosen't support blair with the debt reduction program.

This distraction is just a convenient excuse to ignore the laws of war. We need in inquiry into DSM. I have other thoughts. [More . . . ]

Distracts from the rove/Plame investigation

Iraq signs military pact with Iran
http://au.news.yahoo.com/050707/15/v0c1.html

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning
http://news.yahoo.com/s/...ael_britain_explosions_1

"Rejoice, community of Muslims," the letter states. "The heroic mujahedeens today conducted an attack in London," it continues. All of Great Britain is now shaken and shocked, "in the north, the south, west and east." "We've warned the British government and the British people time and again," the letter adds. "We've kept our promise and have carried out a blessed military operation."

"We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all other crusader governments." We demand that all countries pull their troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, states the letter, which has been signed by the "Secret Organization --- al Qaida in Europe."

http://mixtersmix.blogsp...etter-from-al-qaeda.html

they forgot poland

also blair said he will pull out troops over next 18 month only days ago!

Torqued #6 - Thanks, some interesting stuff there.

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I told someone first thing this morning, something just doesn't feel right about this.

I can't cut and paste the link for some reason, but go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html and read:

Cui bono? Stupidity Versus Logic in the Latest “Terror” Attack

Just what Bush et al needed - another distraction from their corruption.

Some other interesting ideas here
http://mixtersmix.blogsp...etter-from-al-qaeda.html

And hey Brad - mistermix has a banner for Velvet Revolution at the bottom of the page.

Also Huffington blog has you back on the list as well.

Heads up everybody --- remember what bu$h said and use it against him.

Remember What bu$h Said:

BuzzFlash Reader Commentary November 13, 2002

[snip] For your amusement and future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02) [snip]

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Will dumbya's ratings fall?

[snip] Adding to Bush's vulnerability at the moment, however, is the fact that most Democrats, who generally stood by the president on foreign-policy matters between the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon and the onset of last year's presidential election campaign in the spring of 2004, have been arguing for more than a year now that Bush's invasion of Iraq had diverted key resources and attention from the war against al Qaeda and other hard-line Islamist groups, effectively undermining that effort.

He and other analysts noted the well-planned nature of the attacks, their simultaneity, and the timing to coincide with the first day of the Group of Eight (G-8) Summit at Gleneagles, Scotland --- the world's central news event of the week --- as hallmarks of an al Qaeda-like operation. [snip]

Let's see. 100.000 Iraqi civilians murdered. 1700 dead US soldiers. Mass media controlled by a bunch of these lying murderers. Followed by another stolen presidential election. The Environment screwed. Majority of robots in Congress change laws and policies against the common American. The Grizzly Bear lied about to lose it's Endangered Specie Protection that will lead to the Brown Bears extinction in the lower 4 states it still survives. What do we have? Our country is set up to be blown up. A Congress that is so corrupt it can impeach a man for a BJ but is powerless to remove the corrupt men dragging this country and this world the wrond direction or into total destruction. Maybe we the people have to have a little get together in Washington to remove these cheating greedy uncaring losers Wild West style. Our government has let us down! Our Congress and our courts have let us down. Are we suppose to wait for angry suicide bombers to start seeking revenge in our grocery stores because these bastards are driving our country into the ground. Nuclear bombs are not the answer. Good people..real American leadership is. We gotta move soon before the Bushit administration does something that really fcks us over.

I'm sure the loyal Republicans will just use the old "economy" excuse. That it takes so long for policy to take effect, that the low terrorism was because of Bush Sr. and not Clinton. the high numbers NOW are because of Clinton.

Just wait for it. I guarantee that is what they will come out with. That or the old excuse that the more terrorist attacks there are, the more the US is winning.

Sure kept media focus as far from global warming, Africa, the DSM and the Plame affair as possible, didn't it? I choose to remain skeptical...

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R.I.P.

Fighting them there so we won't have to fight them here.

March 2003 - July 2005

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We hold the power in this country. We are not afraid. Pick a fight with the people of this country and it will be your last.

Constant #12 --

Thanks for that.

Do you hear us bush? It's the Constitution stupid!

I see that things must be quite on the repub blogs as that mindless posters here again ,you would think they would all be patting each other on the back because afterall "Fighting them there so we won't have to fight them here." seem to be working.It's a shame that "we" is just Americans and not "all people" of the world.

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I'm Australian LOSER

Mr. Jimmo,

The only loser here is you. Now the world is more un-safe than ever before thanks to the failed policies of the crooks in charge.

A traitor named Karl Rove has leaked sensitive intelligence information, national security is at great risk, terror cells are popping up everywhere in the world this time: and Iran is more dangerous that even before the US invades them, they could nuke somebody.

Thanks to the failed policies, terror is on the march. Not freedom, as Bin Laden laughs and his terrorist network climbs to all new heights of recruitment projections.

Your mentality is so failed it should be flushed down the toilet. By the time the mentality of the likes of you claims freedom and democracy, the world will lie in ruin and billions dead.

Now please, pay no attention to the election fraud behind the curtain!

http://www.expertclick.c...eleaseDetail&ID=9474

It's time to RE-CALL ALL Diebold optical scans that you can, support a full recall of the defective junk heaps immediately!

Scott

Is it just me, or is this sounding more and more fishy like it was a setup?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm

"The zionist UK people"

I'm sorry, but real rugged terrorist cells don't speak in such eloquent terms....Or with such candor.

There are plenty of islamic extremist cells who speak in barbarian speech and we have been at war with them ever since the start.

But these guys are too sophisticated...Smells like another Bush administration fear game! I'm telling you, they did it again.

Someone in Paul Wolfowitz cabinet is just laughing it up that the new terrorist attacks happened......They will now pour billions into invading North Korea, Iran, and finally Africa in order to spread terrorism-err I meant freedom.

This is what they plan before any impeachments.

Pressure our congress to force out impeachment proceedings every day. http://usalone.com/index.htm
Remember what's on the march everyone!

Scott

the following article is worth reading on the London attacks: LINK

So far the perperators are unidentified, but its interesting that Israeli minister Netanyahu had advanced warning(see above article)

DOUBLE CHECK THIS ---
IS ROVE 'MASTERNOODLE' AT WORK !!!?

USING 2004 INFO NOT 2005?

ROVE TO BE INDICTED IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS
RUMOR ON www.mydd.com (using 2004 info NOT 2005!)

More bad news for Dick Tricky Cheney....

www.rawstory.com/exclusi..._bush_lawyer_secrecy.htm

"Jim Sharp" will be the lawyer representing the administration officials, Bush, Dick Cheney and possibly someone else.

This man has the most colorful past you will ever see, and is a Iran(q)-Contra veteran lawyer....Who forced his witnesses into committing perjury.

Under the circumstances of the indictments laid out, Sharp will be defending.

What's he going to do? This entire Valerie-Plame affair in NigerGate is bringing the White House touted DSM meetings into the public spotlight.

This whole thing is going to explode shortly...

Scott

I see Jim Sensenbrenner's posts are being deleted.

Americans are fools. I hear people calling rightwing talk shows, and saying, "What happened in London is exactly why we're at war." As usual, these people are not challenged with the question, "What does the Iraq War have to do with 9/11?" The media is still the culprit. These people should be challanged before they get off the phone. If they are challenged, they suddenly start stuttering, and have no answers. They are fools, who fell for Bush's only defense: Call those who question him "unpatriotic". These fools deserve to be in the Iraq War, dying for no reason. Not our troops who were duped. The only power these Neo-Cons have, is our military, that they duped. The question is, how can we cut them off from using our military for their purposes??? They have no power without duping our military into attacking other countries.

These fools are cowards. Those speaking out against the Bush administration, the handful of neo-cons who hijacked our country, are patriotic heroes.

Like Seymour Hersch said, "How fragile was our democracy to begin with, if we let a handful of people hijack our country." I'm not sure if that's the exact quote, but you get the picture. We don't have enough checks and balances in our country to prevent this in the first place. It IS fascism. These criminals are not doing what the American people want.

And assholes like JIMMO (Jim Sensenbrenner?) are dangerous. They are not independent thinkers. They repeat whatever Rush Limbaugh says, and crumble when challenged in a fair arguement. They're confident only when surrounded by other mindless people who just repeat whatever Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly say, and have not reached their conclusions independently by fact and logic.

President George Bush was busy smirking at a press conference the other night, bragging that he had taken the fight to the terrorist in Iraq. In other words, we’re all safe because the terrorists are tied down fighting us in Iraq. After Thursday, it seems they didn’t stay there. This time it was the U.K. We could be next and if we are, we collectively earned it. We insulted people’s culture, imprisoned their entire nation, and played God with their politics. We tortured and humiliated individuals from the middle-east. This was a recipe for disaster and it’s about time we learned our lesson.
Prime Minister Tony Blair is nothing more than Bush’s lap dog. Many British people already know this, but as with our own country, organized opposition is confined being outside the government. There is no credible opposition to the Blair government today. Unfortunately, while our overconfident issolateda and protected U.S. president smirks on TV about his ability to rain war on other people’s countries, the innocent people of Britain have paid for this policy, some with their lives, other scared for life.
An ancient proverb: Whack a hornet’s nest with a stick- you will get stung!

#1
If the persuit of Bin Laden at Toro Bora continued and was successful then who would the bushmob pull out as an October '04 surprise to aid the election plans of bush and company? No Bin Ladin to call- for one more 'favor'.

Maybe Scotland Yard will follow the trail of the London bombings--right back to 911 and the neocons.

Inbred George W. BUSH IS A YELLOW BELLY PUSSY LYING MURDERER. He cheated in the last election and the only thing he's good for is abusing our military might in a vulgar display of power and sticking his stolen presidential victory in the face of Americans at every turn. The word is gonna get out on the streets to the people of the world. To the Bushit Admininstration: We will be the media and write our own American history for all to see.

It really pisses me off that Bushco really pisses me off.
I mean I have read so much about the neo-cons hidden agendas, corruption, contempt for the constitution, vote fraud, war profiteering (Halliburton), lying about the reasons for war that my son will fight in Sept.
I am not an angry, paranoid person. But what the fuck?
Who is behind this tragedy?

First off, we need to secure the vote.

Second, we then move to rapidly deploy from M.E. region.

Third, we end all aid to all M.E. nations, instead focusing on commerce with said nations, all nations.

Fourth, we reduce military spending by 75% (To China's level), closing all overseas bases, and focusing on using locally elected, civilain-led militias to defend our shores, with National Guard to supplement. Huge standing armies need something to do, let's not create that need.

That alone is more effectively going to curtail violent outbursts by desperate zealots, against us.