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"Bob Novak Questions Iraq"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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sofla
said on 5/27/2005 @ 1:46 pm PT...
If I recall correctly, Bob Novak, despite his eminent conservative credentials, was basically skeptical and a dove on the Iraq war, viewing it as a sop to Israeli interests. (He's also a rare skeptical voice on Israel, from either the right or the left, excepting the farther left.)
So, in this case, it isn't that the Bush administration has 'lost' Novak. He never was on board on this train from the beginning.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 5/27/2005 @ 1:59 pm PT...
This was posted on Congressman John Conyers' site by Maxie:
"parentsagainstadraft"
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:40:34 -0000
Subject: [FightTheDraft] Rangel to Introduce Draft Bill in 2005
I just called Congressman Rangel's office to find out if he is still planning to reintroduce a Draft bill. The answer was an unqualified "YES." He plans to do so this year.I just received this email on my yahoo group email.
I knew it was only a matter of time before this started,we may be at war with out own govenment before long. '
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 5/27/2005 @ 3:25 pm PT...
What? The invasion of Iraq does not inspire volunteers?
Wrong.
Al qaeda has an easy time getting volunteers!
Wrong strategy, lies, ineptness, and neocons are responsible for the debacle.
And listen folks, we are not moving out of there until the permanent bases (14) are up and running. And the oil infrastructure is secure.
That means a groan and a moan of a long time.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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VeryWorried
said on 5/27/2005 @ 3:40 pm PT...
I have said it before and I will say it again, rhetorically: What makes the Americans think that violence will end once they have permanent bases in Iraq? The Iraqi freedom fighters are making it clear that there will be violence and death for as long as there is a foreign military presence there.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 5/27/2005 @ 4:12 pm PT...
Exactly, VeryWorried #4.
That's why we've been under attack for so many years, but the Chicken War Hawks and fear-based Republicans can't wrap their little brains around that one - that added to their mental illness, xenophobia, that causes them to have the "gotta get 'them' before 'they' get us" mindset.
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 5/27/2005 @ 4:34 pm PT...
Krohn has it half right. The failure to find WMDs is part of it, but even more important is the fact that Bush proclaimed "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" over two years ago, and all the deaths and almost all the casualties have come AFTER THAT.
Novak is probably running interference for the Bush administration at this point. Throw out a few devil's advocate questions, see how people react. He absolutely isn't to be trusted.
Robert Novak has zero integrity. He's a political whore in a vest. I suggest ignoring him completely.
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jen
said on 5/27/2005 @ 4:50 pm PT...
LOL!! RLM #6 - couldn't agree more! Whenever I write CNN I always end by asking why Nofacts is on tv and not in jail. Still haven't figured out why he's off the hook for outing Plame???
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/27/2005 @ 4:59 pm PT...
Back in the days when I still watched CNN, I wrote regularly, requesting that Novak be removed - for a number of good and sufficient reasons. And I promised never to watch a program including him, which vow I have kept. He's a repellent, boorish, nasty little man.
You're right, RLM - I don't trust anything he says.
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SeattleDem
said on 5/27/2005 @ 5:41 pm PT...
WE NEED TO START A "DRAFT THE CHICKEN HAWKS" CAMPAIGN"...
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praetorian
said on 5/27/2005 @ 5:52 pm PT...
Brad, you really need to use a spell-checker, dude.
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/27/2005 @ 6:04 pm PT...
re #10: Let he who has never made a typo cast the first stone.
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Torqued
said on 5/27/2005 @ 7:08 pm PT...
Well, when the republicans send their kids off to die, the problem will be solved! Do the math neocons!
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Peg C
said on 5/27/2005 @ 7:45 pm PT...
Winter P #11 -
He couldn't think of anything else to say.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 5/27/2005 @ 9:33 pm PT...
"draft"? --Rangle's an idiot! The bushmob will get its cannon fodder and the Demo will get the blame, and the repug offsprings will never go to the front lines-unless an individual has a specific blood thirst.
The code phrase "gotta get them before they get us" Kira referred to in #5 is meant to stir the sheep into battle while the wolves pack 'their' bags with loot and avoid all harm by making a quick escape via stage 'Right', destination Omaha.
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mg
said on 5/27/2005 @ 9:38 pm PT...
I thought the most telling lines of that Novak column were the two that referred to 9/11.
I don't have a copy in front of me, but the gist of it was that 9/11 didn't draw as many recruits to volunteer for Iraq as they had believed it would. WTF?!!!!
Never mind the standard disconnect trying to link 9/11 and Iraq. Taken literally and dissecting verbs accurately, his piece says 9/11 was a plot designed as a pathway to start war in Iraq.
At least, that was how I read that
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/27/2005 @ 9:52 pm PT...
re #15 MG That's the way I read it too, and the exact wording was:
"The problem was signaled when the 9/11 attack on America did not generate the enlistments expected. Three and one-half years later, willingness to face personal peril in Iraq has faded."
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 5/27/2005 @ 10:18 pm PT...
Geesh #15 & #16 --- oh god. I didn't catch that.
That's like the latest bu$h Freudian slip:
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." Herr Duhbya
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Kryten42
said on 5/28/2005 @ 1:09 am PT...
Robert Lockwood Mills #6: Yes, I agree. NOTHING any of the Repubs *SAY* can be trusted! When I see one actually *DO* the right things, then (maybe) I will believe.
The first word out of these people's mouthes when they were babes was a lie. The truth isn't in them.
#15, #16: Yep. I've been saying that since it happened. 9/11 always was a fraud.
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 5/28/2005 @ 6:30 am PT...
"Catapult the propaganda?" That means to send information or misinformation, as if by missile, that is designed to help or hurt someone. In other words, emulate Karl Rove.
Sometimes even imbeciles tell the truth without realizing it. Why do they continue to send this guy out in public? He thinks he's Churchill, but he sounds more and more like Professor Irwin Corey every day.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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unirealist
said on 5/28/2005 @ 6:31 am PT...
If Krohn isn't blaming Bush or Rumsfeld for the situation, then who is to blame? Or is it just one of those "shit happens" things?
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zealous (205.188.117.137)
said on 5/28/2005 @ 8:17 am PT...
{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 5/28/2005 @ 8:43 am PT...
Zealous, we SHOULD ask Iraq's permission to maintain a base there. And we also SHOULD have asked Muslims in Saudi Arabia (instead of only the non-religious oil sheiks) if it was OK to build an army base on sacred Muslim ground.
But WE DIDN'T ASK PERMISSION, AND WE WON'T. Bush and Rumsfeld always just do whatever they want. Which is the whole point, sir! We invaded a sovereign country that wasn't threatening us, which was bad enough; but it turned out our excuse was itself illegitimate...based on phony intelligence and lies.
Now you're suggesting that plans were in place all along to plan for an orderly occupation? Hello? Didn't Bush tell us the "mission was accomplished" two years ago?
It's hard to tell from your posting if you have a plan for exiting Iraq or not. Please elucidate.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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VeryWorried
said on 5/28/2005 @ 8:44 am PT...
zealous #21, all religion "is the real enemy [to] fear". Religion has caused more war and bloodshed than anything else in Human history.
Singling out any one religion is myopic at best.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Rosencrantz
said on 5/28/2005 @ 10:21 am PT...
He's still the Prince of Darkness. In fact, his willingness to lie in the past to tow the party line, as well as his continuing to refuse to tell who gave him Valerie Plame's identity prove that.
All these staunch Republicans aren't suddenly being noble. They just know Bush is a sinking ship and since he can't run for a third term they have nothing to gain by being loyal. These "rats abandoning a sinking ship" aren't coming around, they are simply doing what they always do...bailing out and avoiding their share of the responsibility for covering up and glossing over all the bad policies that got them this far. It's sill a lie and even more dispicable than ever. What happened to their belief in not flip-flopping? Or doing what is right and not popular? Or sticking to their proverbial guns? All BS.
Novack shouldn't be commended because the second a new candidate for President shows up NOvack will just go back to doing what he always does. Lying and towing the party line no matter how much damage it does. And five years from now he'll still be talking about Bush Jr as the new Reagan and praising him whenever he gets the cahnce.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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zealous (205.188.117.137)
said on 5/28/2005 @ 11:25 am PT...
{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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molly
said on 5/28/2005 @ 12:09 pm PT...
Check out TBR.news.org. I have seen many of their remarks become actuality. Today they say the military.cia, business and banking are angry at their leader and are going to get rid of him. Oh, and the media will be on board. For Novak to criticize...maybe
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 5/28/2005 @ 6:20 pm PT...
Molly! Thanks for the TBR heads-up! Great articles. I was ROTFLMAO while reading The Voice of the White House.
Let's just accentuate the positive!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 5/28/2005 @ 6:56 pm PT...
MG #15
'They' had to link 911 with Iraq!
Two reasons-1. so 'they' could attack Iraq as planned, and 2. so 'they' would divert attention from 911 in order to prevent a full and complete investigation!
And so 'they' could put the damning evidence into a "National security" vault. What hit the Pentagon is on tape! But out of reach. Why did building 7 drop like a planned demolition? And the twin towers too?
I think either nothing hit the pentagon, and the tapes would show that or it was missle launced by a quick fly-by which would mean all the protection was disabled, and the tapes would show that. Whatever it was it was not flight 77!
The first place to start is with a 'toss out of the White Wash report' and an appointment of an Independant Counsel, fully funded!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 5/28/2005 @ 9:11 pm PT...
Cole - building 7 was a planned demolition. (!!!!!)
Larry Silverstein on the record
[snip] "Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives." [MORE]
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 5/29/2005 @ 5:43 am PT...
Hi Cole #14 - I have to respectfully disagree with you here. Rangel's a hero in my eyes, as he's attempting to get the American people to conisder and discuss this military, diplomatic, social, etc., debacle in a meaningful way. Sadly, many otherwise fine Americans won't even begin to consider what this war's all about unless it touches their lives directly. Remember, it was the draft in particular that got Americans stirred up about their government's Viet Nam policy. When a cause is just no draft is needed. When even the "low-hanging fruit" won't volunteer, the lack of justice in the cause is revealed for all to see. Let's have a thorough discussion of this issue and all associated issues. Bring it on!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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johnhp
said on 5/29/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
It is the case that Nofacts was reticent on going to Iraq. Whatever he is he knows, like the rest of us did before the war, that there were no appreciable WMD in Iraq and that this was was simply one of choice.
The problem with the foreign policy apparatus in the middle east is quite simply we haven;t historically given a damn about human rights and the people of the middle east know this even if our government pretends not to. Where was the issue of human rights when we overthrew the elected government of Iran in the 50s? Where was the idea of human rights when we were supporting the Pahlavi regime? The idea when we supported the Ba'athists? The idea when we gave aid to a fascist group in Lebanon called the Christian Phalangists? The idea as we support the bloody Saud regime? The terror on the Arabian peninsula is less about the bases and more about the security state that we have helped build and run for several decades. The bases were simply the last straw, so to speak.
All this stuff about constitutionality is so much hogwash. Its just like they say over at the IMF and World Bank: we can set up an elected government to function any way we want. These people dont hate us because we're infidels, the hate us because we helped dig the mass graves.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 5/29/2005 @ 11:44 am PT...
Kira #27 I went to that site too.
I really wish trolls and other fascist wannabes would just get this one:
“That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
-Theodore Roosevelt
Dear MSM, it is Civics 101, and American Citizenship 101 you gotta replace with your decadent Product Conveyer Belt 101.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 5/29/2005 @ 1:05 pm PT...
It is precisely because we have never believed in the maxim "My country, right or wrong" or "My president, right or wrong" that we achieved moral leadership in the world in the first place.
If we retreat into servility or if we yield to fear we will forfeit that moral leadership. In the eyes of much of the world, we have already done so.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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tescht
said on 5/29/2005 @ 8:02 pm PT...
Got Troops?
Link to PNAC
Letter to Senate Leaders from the Project for a New American Century dated 01/2005
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COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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tescht
said on 5/29/2005 @ 8:31 pm PT...
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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M Paulding
said on 5/29/2005 @ 9:35 pm PT...
Who's Bob Novak? What's CNN?
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/29/2005 @ 9:53 pm PT...
re #34, #35 --- it's fixed now ... you just made a spelling mistake on the link in #34 ...
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 5/30/2005 @ 7:30 am PT...
Who's Bob Novak? A thoroughly untrustworthy guy with a personal agenda who occasionally attracts undue attention by making remarks that seem contrary to that agenda...in order to fool people into believing he's an objective reporter. NOT!
(oh...and he should be in jail for exposing a C.I.A. operative, but inside-the-beltway big shots haven't gone to jail since the days of Watergate)
What's CNN? A network that tries to be all things to all people, and fails miserably. It's all things to nobody, or nothing to everybody, depending on the issue it's covering.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 5/30/2005 @ 9:57 am PT...
Novak is about the most common Czech surname, it means something like Newcomer or Beginner, but I can tell you, having lived in the CheeZee Republic for nigh unto 15 years, it's his very innate Czechness that makes him what he is. I can hardly wait to get back to where Czechs are a tiny minority (and let's not forget Senator Roman Hruska (Czech for Pear) of Nebraska, defending G. Harold Carswell, I believe it was, against attacks during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings that he was "mediocre": "A majority of the people in this country are mediocre, and they deserve representation on the Supreme Court too!") instead of the overwhelming, xenophobic majority. Thanks for the chance to vent! Don't trust that SOB farther than you'd allow yourself to get close to him!
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