http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280197826

votes going backwards again, this time in ky

the difference is the clerk explains their was a glitch that took tillamonk? back to zero because a card wouldn't load

to me this proves the central tabulator is linked to the different news reporting agencies as kip has been trying to tell you...which begs the question...why does the central tabulator go backwards?

Star Member Kip Humphrey (4,678 posts)
33. Delaware was forced into installing central tabulators running GEM$ software used to count the vote.

The "force" came from Congress funding central voter registration ES&S software that integrates with GEM$ with a requirement that this integrated software system be ready for the 2016 election cycle.

See my post: http://www.democraticund...orum=1016&pid=156041

BTW, the vote totals AP was reporting was from a direct feed from this integrated voting system software.

it was pike county not till*

Karen -

I debunked that issue last night, and again in detail on today's BradCast. That one was easy. (Others, not so much.)

[Ed Note: I have reposted Karen's comment here from another thread, so we can keep discussion of this issue in one location. - Brad]
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so i sent you a link to du that shows vote totals going backwards on air while reporters are discussing the numbers being shown

i try to explain that no human error is involved because the central tabulator software supposedly transmits directly to the ap

you ignore that part and double down that it is human err on the ap's part

you post a screen shot of pike county partial results that "show" the votes are restored after being zero'd out and say the problem is debunked

before pike was zero'd out the totals on air were 212,108 hc and 210,239 bernie

after the votes went backwards the totals on air were 209,773 hc and 205,391 bernie

the exact difference is -2335 for hc and -4848 for bernie which are the total reported votes for both according to ky sos

http://results.enr.clari...12/Web01/en/summary.html

your screen shot of some ap website shows bernie @3273 and hc@ 1506?(print is small) with pike not being fully counted

so my question is, how did pike's zeroing out reflect the exact final result of pike if indeed it was not counted yet?

KarenFromIllinois @ 4 said:

so i sent you a link to du that shows vote totals going backwards on air while reporters are discussing the numbers being shown

i try to explain that no human error is involved because the central tabulator software supposedly transmits directly to the ap

you ignore that part and double down that it is human err on the ap's part

Okay. You are conflating an extraordinary amount of things in this comment, Karen. I'll try to clear things up.

First, in regard Pike County, Kentucky, I didn't say anything about "human err on the ap's part" to my knowledge. Second, nothing you pasted or linked to demonstrates that "central tabulator software...transmits directly to the ap." I have no idea where you got that information from. If you have such information, I'll be happy to look at it. But, even if it were the case, I see no reason why that would change anything in the explanation for the Pike County, KY issue at hand.

you post a screen shot of pike county partial results that "show" the votes are restored after being zero'd out and say the problem is debunked

The two screenshots show the Pike totals before they were zeroed out (as posted by AP) and after they were restored (as posted by the KY Sec. of State). The numbers before and after appear generally consistent with what would be expected.

before pike was zero'd out the totals on air were 212,108 hc and 210,239 bernie

after the votes went backwards the totals on air were 209,773 hc and 205,391 bernie

the exact difference is -2335 for hc and -4848 for bernie which are the total reported votes for both according to ky sos

Correct. I believe you just proved the point I was trying to make. The state totals before Pike County was zeroed out was the state total minus the number of votes in Pike County. I'm not sure what I'm missing here.

your screen shot of some ap website shows bernie @3273 and hc@ 1506?(print is small) with pike not being fully counted

so my question is, how did pike's zeroing out reflect the exact final result of pike if indeed it was not counted yet?

If you click on those screenshots (posted with my Tweet that I linked to), it will enlarge both of them. The first is the AP shot before Pike was zeroed out, the second was from the KY Sec. of State. I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was "not counted yet". The first screenshot simply showed what the totals were at some point before the county was zeroed out. I don't believe it was the moment before it was zeroed out. But, who knows? It could have been.

When the numbers were then restored or, at least when we noticed they were restored, they were the full county results. Since it appears that Kentucky Counties send their results to the SoS after they have completed their total count, that would make perfect sense. Since AP gets their numbers from various sources (including directly from Counties), it makes sense that they would have the earlier, incomplete, post Zeroed-out numbers, as seen in the screenshot I pointed you towards.

So, what am I missing here?

As to the Kip Humphrey post you linked to at DU, it does not regard vote counting software at all. It has to do with Voter REGISTRATION software made by ES&S, so, I'm unclear what that is supposed to reference in regard to Pike County.

As far as the assertions that Kip is making in his post, that too conflates a whole lotta stuff. For one, he ties the ES&S Voter Registration software to GEMS software (which is the Diebold tabulator software, not an ES&S product), Second, I see nothing in what he copied and pasted from the ES&S website about their Voter Registration Software that supports the copy/pasted assertion above that Congress has "forced" anybody to use this software or that it is "required" to be used anywhere in 2016.

Even if it was required, by someone, and was used, by someone, Voter REGISTRATION software has nothing to do with Pike County's vote totals, to my knowledge (they use voting software made by Hart InterCivic, which is neither ES&S nor Diebold!).

And, once again, I have no idea where your argument that "AP was reporting was from a direct feed from this integrated voting system software" even comes from.

WKYT reported that the AP had actually “erased all votes from Pike County” and those numbers pushed Clinton back up by over 4,000. The Pike County Clerk’s Office said that there was an issue with one of their card readers, and it ended up causing them to have a delay on their numbers.
Social media is losing their collective minds with this situation, and Pike County, Kentucky is said to be demanding a recount.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com...sed/#Yg7YbwJXzdDYbR58.99

this is why i say pike was not fully counted,they report they were having trouble getting a card to read

if they were fully counted why would a card need to be read?

your screen shot shows about 4800 votes counted but about 7200 votes are lost from the total (according to the video)

Karen -

I had read that (not very well sourced) Inquisitr item days ago. Nothing you note above changes what I've been able to find, and respond to, already.

Yes, "social media is losing their collect minds" here, because they are getting bad information, and not bothering to look deeper into it, in most cases. As I have been spending some time explaining on The BradCast in recent weeks, Sanders supporters, while (thankfully) skeptical of results and concerns about them, have decided "Hillary is stealing the election!" or some such, without have evidence in support of that.

Skepticism is always good! Attempting oversight is always good! Shouting "FRAUD!!!" without the evidence to support it, however, is not helpful. In fact, it really makes it hard for those of who understand how these systems works and what the concerns really are, to get out the word when there really IS something that needs further explanation.

All the votes from Pike County simply went away at some point. They were then restored at just about the same percentages as before they were zeroed out. If there is something I am missing, I am happy to look at it, but I've tried and tried and so far can't find it!

If you feel you can explain it to me like a 3rd grader, so I really understand what you are trying to say I am missing, I am happy to re-re-look yet again!