Maybe the "Founding Fathers" were wrong about a religious test for office....or maybe they thought it couldn't happen here...but, the FF's didn't say anything negative about getting a Certification of Sanity, before being able to file for elected office...

I live in NH and am continually surprised by the wild swings from Conservative to Liberal elected officials in Maine. How does a state that elected Angus King (D) Governor elect Paul Le Page. Oh. Right. Funding.

in reply to comment #2: Angus King was then and still is an Independent, NOT a Democrat.

Call me stupid, but I unreservedly hate wind energy because of the harm they do to bats and birds.

Adam @4--This looks like a reasonable rebuttal to your harm to birds argument.

http://science.howstuffw...d-turbine-kill-birds.htm

... David Lasagna
Oh, please, are you going to do the old act of presenting me with well-researched contrary facts? That's so intellectual (hork, spit!).

Sometimes stirring things up and getting them out into the open is a good thing. That said, it would be fun to play out the Tea Party act, turn off reason and do the bouncy-rubber-skulled repeat-same-rebuttal thing as if absorbing nothing when it comes to facts. It is very effective in convincing large segments of the population.

Of course they have a motor for turning the turbine. Remaining static for long periods of time during shutdown for maintenance, either corrective or preventative, or for periods of no wind, is damaging to the bearings which support the turbine. Although the adhesion properties of lubricating oil, especially with synthetic oils which I'm sure is used for this application, is designed to protect the equipment during cold starts gravity still works. The lubricant will eventually flow away from the area it's there to protect. The metal surfaces which are separated by the oil film will eventually come into contact with each other causing damage upon start. So, much like it's recommended that you should start your car every few weeks if it's not being used which gets the juices flowing so to speak, the same would apply to an electicity generating turbine. Unless you want to shimmy up the support structure to spin itby hand this would require a motor. He just doesn't understand what the motors purpose is....

Could electricity be generated by turning the motor? Most likely as things such as operational testing, capacity testing, and trouble shooting will typically require electrical generation to occur. It can get expensive having the technical expert from GE sitting around waiting for the wind to blow. Perhaps that's where the guvnah got his ideas...

So, while it may not be occuring in this situation, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the motor could be used to show how wind energy works to generate electricity. Which is what the guvnah suggested for which Brad states that he may be the dumbest ever. Which, for throwing stones at others when he clearly has no idea what he is talking about, may qualify Brad as the dumbest blogger ever.

Thanks, Steve. I usually have to go to the circus to see that kind of contortion.

Truth = contortion. Disinformation = truth. I must be at the bradblog....

The LePage windmill stupidity is old news...

... but of course Steve knows that. What he seems to be desperately trying to distract us from are the new revelations of how just how insane LePage's associates can be and how his policy interactions with them took a distinctly murderous turn:

"... or why the governor's legal staff was asked to draft an opinion of the group's claims that Senate President Justin Alfond, D-Portland, and House Speaker Mark Eves, D-North Berwick, should be arrested and executed."

Zap, I spoke to the point of which I have knowledge and experience, and the point which seems to make up the bulk of the essay's "proof" to support the claims made in the title.

I have no knowledge of the other issue you say I am "distracting" from. The accusation comes from a "liberal activist" as described by the Portland Press Herald, and is supported by the left wing Talking Points Memo. I've heard of this nowhere else. Therefore I conclude that it's a ridiculous product of the left wing blogosphere and then faithfully picked up by Brad to promote as another conspiricy theory.

Your are an idioit. Bet your not running for governor. Nope

A.J nailed his point @ 14 with:

Your are an idioit.

Can hardly argue with that. Can hardly even read it. Well done, A.J!

Says Steve at #11, "Truth = contortion."

What truth? I'm no expert, but it made sense to me that, if they needed to spin the turbine's rotor to prevent it sagging, they would just use the generator itself as a motor. What little turns up in a quick Google search seems to confirm that. Everyone apart from LePage states that there is no motor in place just to make the turbine spin--and even he retracted the statement. So where's the truth?

If the generator is used to turn the rotor, then it obviously can't generate power at the same time. If a separate electric motor (which, remember, exists only conceptually and only because LePage suggested it) were used to turn the rotor and thereby impel the generator, any engineer with ten minutes' training could see that it would incur a net loss. It would therefore demonstrate neither "how wind energy works to generate electricity" as Steve claims nor "that wind power works" as LePage claimed. So where's the truth?

Making it all the more pitiful is that Steve squeezed himself into this little, illogical box solely to take a stab at Brad.

Generators do not drive turbines. Turbines drive generators. Generators do not turn on their own. They need a source to drive them. Like a turbine. Or a motor

Oh god, somebody please tell me he's joking.

Jon in Iowa @18-

With nonsense on stilts as high, self-righteous, and ad hominem as Steve's it's hard to know where he's coming from.

I've got 31 years of experience with power generating turbines of all types. If the generator were able to drive itself on its own then there would be no need for the wind, or the water, or the natural gas, or the coal, or the nuclear reactor producing steam, or even for the internal combustion process within the portable generators folks have at their home. The only way for a generator to rotate without the mechanical drive source is if it were left connected to the electrical grid it supplies when the mechanical source is stopped. In other words ifthe steam turbine supplying a generator was stopped and the generator circuit breaker remained closed which completes the circuit to the electrical grid. The electricity from the power grid becomes the driver and turns the generator. However, it will turn the generator backwards which is a serious hazard to the generator and also to its mechanical source, e.g. the turbine, ifit's a direct drive unit. This can cause catastrophic failure of the generator and for that reason protective circuitry commonly known as reverse power relays are installed to protect it.

So no, I'm not joking.

Reading the LaPage article..excellent, reading the comments were a hoot..With some of these posters I see now what a stooge like LaPage was elected..he is a rising star for the Koch Bros and the republicans..perhaps with many of the GOP stars who have tarnished themselves..LaPage may be a replacement...PLEASE..Course he will need to duke it out with Mittens..cause he is on the rise again in GOP distorted world view..Good Luck to Maine and hope the intelligent voters make it to the polls this year.

Brad: The Talking Points memo links at the end of the piece don't work.

Which one(s), Ernie? Just tried most of them and they seemed to work fine.

Odd. When I used the "amazing full chapter, as published at Talking Points Memo" link before, I got a blank page with an apology from TPM.

Works fine now, so whatever it was, it wasn't at your end, Brad.