READER COMMENTS ON
"Should Neal Boortz be Prosecuted for Incitement to Murder? Removed from the Public Airwaves?"
(29 Responses so far...)
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Davey Crocket
said on 6/17/2011 @ 2:35 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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taller ghost walt
said on 6/17/2011 @ 4:15 pm PT...
he didn't call anyone "nappy-headed ho" so I'm sure he gets a pass or something.
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/17/2011 @ 5:17 pm PT...
I think Ernie is missing the point of what the guy was trying to say which clearly is that the good people of Atlanta need to take the streets back from the thugs. actually I'm sure Ernie gets the point. Now if somebody down there does protect themselves against armed thugs the squeeky wheel will have a field day with that. He (boortz) could have said it better but hey he's an entertainer. He gets paid to spin you guys up
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zapkitty
said on 6/17/2011 @ 5:24 pm PT...
This is just part of an overall oligarch-mandated drumbeat of "They are out of control! Fear and hate!" that is being ramped up by Drudge the sludge et al ad nauseam in time for the 2012 elections.
You'd be shocked at the rampant voter fraud black-on-white "urban" violence being perpetrated upon god-fearing real Americans in towns all across the U.S....
... especially since actual, real-world violent crime rates in America have been going down.
And while I understand your efforts in regards to the public airwaves but you know that as far as the plutocrats are concerned everything that belongs to us belongs to them... because they own our collective asses as well.
And the government will enforce the will of our owners no matter what we may want.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/17/2011 @ 5:31 pm PT...
Sorry, WingNutSteve, but I don't find incitement to murder to be an appropriate or lawful form of "entertainment."
Also, if you link to my earlier piece, you can listen to an audio in which this "entertainer" refers to Muslims as "cockroaches" and to the victims of Katrina as "parasites" who won't lift a finger to help themselves.
Boortz is one sick, dehumanized puppy.
As far as your effort to spin this as a form of entertainment, I'd suggest you take into account this little tidbit about just what is at stake. "White vigilantes shot at Blacks on sight."
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/17/2011 @ 6:29 pm PT...
I don't consider that entertainment. I don't consider Andrew dice clay or jersey shore entertainment either, not my cup of tea. But if this guy is syndicated on 200 stations I would guess someone likes to listen to him.
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Darrell Williams
said on 6/17/2011 @ 6:35 pm PT...
So let me get this straight....
A thug comes up to me and tries to steal my car, or my wallet, or harm my family and I'm not supposed to protect my family and my property?
What the Hell are you thinking! Damn right he's gonna be another thug body littering the landscape.
I appreciate efforts to "help" the poor "thugs," but when they're reached a point of car-jackings, robberies and rape.....they're beyond "help." At that point it is society which needs the "help."
This is all part of the downtrodden liberal "culture of envy" that's really becoming alarming, if not trite!
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Davey Crocket
said on 6/17/2011 @ 6:49 pm PT...
I agree with WNS and DW. Boortz was simply saying that people should defend themselves.
I like Boortz. He is a libertarian which rubs me on some issues, but I like him. When they put Titus in jail, then I will be OK with Boortz doing time. Neither is gonna happen!
BTW, if a thug departs this world as a result of someone defending themselves, it helps with the prison situation too (per the billboard topic of several days ago).
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Jack Blood
said on 6/17/2011 @ 7:12 pm PT...
Neal Boring Boorzt is not much more than an annoying gnat. So what Progs dont get... is, this is FREE SPEECH. its not always pretty and in line with your "truths" - Otherwise where do we draw the line?
Brad Friedman? lol
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Davey Crocket
said on 6/17/2011 @ 8:56 pm PT...
“I’m thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all, right now, all of us together, . . . would go down to Washington and we would stone [Republican U.S. Representative] Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! Wait! . . . Shut up! No, shut up! I’m not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death, and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families.”
Alec Baldwin
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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jake
said on 6/17/2011 @ 9:10 pm PT...
Oh yea, i guess malloy never talked about the killing of President Bush with SEAL team 6. No never. As the crazy demoncats say " Shame on you."
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/17/2011 @ 11:28 pm PT...
WingnutSteve said @ 6:
But if this guy is syndicated on 200 stations I would guess someone likes to listen to him.
Tossing Christians to lions was also very popular. So you're saying you're cool with using our limited public airwaves to show that, right? How about porn? I hear that's very popular too. Shall we use our limited public airwaves for it? Why not give it to the pornographers for free the way we do for Neal Boortz? It's popular, after all, and that's the only standard for meeting the FCC's "public interest" obligation for using our airwaves, right?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/17/2011 @ 11:31 pm PT...
Jack Blood @ 9 said:
what Progs dont get... is, this is FREE SPEECH. its not always pretty and in line with your "truths" - Otherwise where do we draw the line?
When a crime is committed, as was arguably done here. You do not have free speech rights to incite murder. Sorry, Jack. Check the law.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/17/2011 @ 11:45 pm PT...
Thanks for the Alec Baldwin quote, Davey.
Here's the context for your out-of-context quote, according to the Rightwing Media Research Center:
Now, if you think that comment, or that satire (I haven't seen the actual video but MRC has it, a photo is posted up above here) is an incitement to violence over our public airwaves, I hope you'll file your complaint about it at FCC.gov.
Obviously, unlike with Boortz' comments, this was a gag and satire. But still, if you think a crime was committed, I hope you'll do something about it. Good luck there!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/17/2011 @ 11:48 pm PT...
Jake @ 11 said:
Oh yea, i guess malloy never talked about the killing of President Bush with SEAL team 6. No never
a) You're right. He didn't. and b) I guess you're saying that if he did (which he didn't) you're cool with that right?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/18/2011 @ 12:53 am PT...
Jack Blood wrote @9 wrote:
So what Progs dont get... is, this is FREE SPEECH.
Apparently Hal Turner thought that too --- until he was "convicted" for incitement.
It's not free speech if you yell "fire" in a crowded theater. It's not free speech when you threaten to kill someone, and, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, it's not free speech to incite others to commit an imminent lawless act.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/18/2011 @ 1:23 am PT...
Davey Crocket @8 wrote:
Boortz was simply saying that people should defend themselves.
You like to make stuff up as you go along, don't you Davey?
The words "self-defense" are nowhere to be found in Boortz's angry, racist rant. What he said, against the backdrop of Hip Hop music was, "we need to see some dead thugs littering the landscape in Atlanta."
We've seen the results of such misdirected incitement before. Consider this little story that emerged as right-wing shock jocks railed about looters in the wake of Katrina.
Boortz, himself, is so thoroughly dehumanized that he referred to the hapless victims of Katrina as "parasites" who wouldn't lift a finger to help themselves. He referred to Muslims as "cockroaches."
During the segment of the Malloy Show I told Brad that words have consequences. He took it to mean "legal consequences" as occurred with Hal Turner.
What I had in mind, however, was the consequences like Gabby Giffords when people placed bull's eyes over her picture and spoke of "Second Amendment remedies," like what happened to Donnell Herrington when people speak of dead "thugs" (looters) littering the landscape, or, the genocide that occurred in Rwanda when Hutu radio shock jocks referred to Tutsis as "cockroaches."
"Entertainment?" Go out and buy a copy of Hotel Rowanda. Then you can begin to understand the consequences that this type of racist, dehumanizing propaganda that you refer to as "entertainment" leads to.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Shortbus
said on 6/18/2011 @ 5:17 am PT...
He is on those 200 stations cause his program is available for free to those stations as is Rush's and other programs. This is how they saturate the airwaves. Why would a station owner pay to have a DJ or commentator when he can get free live feeds? Savage, Rush and Boortz make their money on advertizements cause they can claim "Their on 200 stations"
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/18/2011 @ 6:48 am PT...
Shotbus: They're able to saturate the public airwaves because right wing billionaires own the stations from which they broadcast. They are but the verbal arm of corporate power.
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/18/2011 @ 1:27 pm PT...
How was Boortz rant racist Ernie?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/18/2011 @ 2:12 pm PT...
WingnutSteve @20 asks:
How was Boortz rant racist Ernie?
And just who do you think Boortz was referring to with "yo" against the backdrop of hip hop music?
And are we to ignore the context of past Boortz racist rants, such as his reference to Muslims as "cockroaches" or his reference to the mostly African-American victims of Katrina as "parasites" who won't lift a finger for themselves --- this despite the unassailable facts that most could not get out of the way because they were too poor to own a car; that the "natural" disaster was made infinitely worse by the man-made disaster that was the policies of the Bush regime before, during and after Katrina struck?
It is nothing short of disgusting that the hard-right, in furtherance of Grover Norquist's oft stated desire to "starve the beast" by reducing government to the size that it could be drown in a bathtub, would then turn around and blame the victims who did drown because of the hard-right's greed-driven, insane economic policies.
If you can't see the underlying level of dehumanization that runs deep throughout the likes of Boortz, Limbaugh and Beck, then you have yet to reach the level of self-awareness that David Brock displayed when he wrote Blinded by the Right.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/18/2011 @ 3:48 pm PT...
So hip hop music and saying "yo" is what... a "black" thing? Don't get what you're driving at except that you seem to have ingrained a pretty strong black (I assume) stereotype in that "quick to accuse others of racism" mind of yours. Leave the shelter of your elitist world and drive through the bad part of town once with the windows down. You don't have to be black to listen to hip hop or to say "yo".
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/18/2011 @ 5:03 pm PT...
WingnutSteve - There is no question who and what Boortz was referring to in his shorthand use of "urban thugs" in a city like Atlanta with a huge African-American minority population. To suggest otherwise, as you do above, is, as you well know, because you're not stupid, disingenuous.
It is also, entirely beside the point. As the original article underscores, the racial issue (which Schultz focused on in his coverage, but we do not) is a distraction from the criminal issue that Ernie is writing about in the article above.
Hijacking the conversation to focus on the racial aspect is up to you, of course, but that's neither what Ernie's article was about, nor is it the central concern when it comes to the responsible and legal use of our public airwaves.
If one didn't wish to focus on the potential criminality inherent in what Boortz did, however, side-tracking the conversation to focus only on the racial aspect of the issue would be a very good idea.
So keep up the good work!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/18/2011 @ 6:11 pm PT...
Lol @ sidetracking the conversation! Ernie called it a racist rant based on apparently his narrow minded view that only black folks listen to hip hop and say yo. I mean c'mon, if he's going to toss out the ultimate "show stopper" accusation (racist) then he oughta be able to back it up with something solid like your "there's no question who boortz was referring to". That was a quality response, in a because I said so kinda way!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/18/2011 @ 6:50 pm PT...
A. WingnutSteve. It was a racist rant, no matter how much you pretend that you do not understand the "yo" and hip hop music, along with "urban thug" were not intended to refer to African Americans.
B. The "show stopper" accusation, as you well know, is the crime of incitement. Brad is correct on two points. 1) That was the core point of my article, and 2) your mumblings about not understanding the subtle racist references are designed to divert attention from illegality.
C. What troubles me most, WingnutSteve, is that you actually believe that people who read The BRAD BLOG are actually dumb enough to fall for your transparent, diversionary tactics.
But, hey, I have to give you credit for trying to defend the indefensible. That takes guts.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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chabuka
said on 6/19/2011 @ 10:24 am PT...
There were many people in Germany 1937, who scoffed at the very idea that Hitler's extreme radical agenda and his murderous bigoted followers, would ever gain a foothold or gather an ounce of encouragement in their Democratic Germany.....no wonder World History, Civics and the U.S. History of Government, has been taken out of school studies...it's easy to control ignorance and manipulate the uninformed
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Gary Nelson
said on 6/20/2011 @ 8:27 am PT...
I happened to hear this rant while driving to work. In my opinion, Boortz was telling us that it's time to start defending our families, property, etc. by carrying a hand gun for protection. I for one would not roam the streets looking for thugs to bring down, but if one of them threatened my safety or that of my family, I believe that I could use that gun to take him off the streets. Canning sounds like a typical Kool Aid drinking liberal who would like to see all of us unarmed and at the mercy of the low lifes who would threaten us. You go Boortz!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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mastermind
said on 6/22/2011 @ 8:05 am PT...
Neal Bortz will continue encouragaging racism and killing others as long as Advertisers continue sponsering his rants of hatred over the airwaves . Neal himself stated on his show a few weeks ago If anyone did harm ,in any way to his granddaughter ;He or his Son-in-law would take the law in their own hands and "take out" this alledged guilty person. Neal ,at the same time was warning all of his listeners ,(he is Armed at all times with a permit to carry his concealed weapon). Neals belief in illegal violence and killing of others (not yet proven to be guilty )must not continue to be supported by his advertisers. I hope this will be the Fruitful beginning of an out-cry with e-mails to Neals advertisors notifing them we will boycott their products if they continue supporting Neals Hatred over our air waves. I have already e-mailed two and will follow through to the others as soon as I listen to document the names of his other advertisers.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Slyde
said on 6/23/2011 @ 7:02 pm PT...
i don't know what level of sophistication it would take to know exactly what he was calling for (vigilantism) and who he was aiming his ire toward (blacks). my guess is that it wouldn't take much. the man is calling for people to go out into the streets and declare SOMEONE a thug and kill him and arrest his mother. that's not responsible speech, no matter how you cut it.
it looks like most of the grey matter here is being expended in defense of the indefensible.