READER COMMENTS ON
"EXCLUSIVE: 'Not One' Reporter Bothered to Ask Brother About Political Leanings of 'Anthrax Killer'"
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TEDEGER
said on 8/1/2008 @ 4:25 pm PT...
Well, that's simple enough; "If you can't kill 'em, jail 'em!"
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Erik Larson
said on 8/1/2008 @ 5:22 pm PT...
either it's a genuine error, or Digg is blocking this article from being submitted- will someone else try?
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S Fritsch
said on 8/1/2008 @ 5:34 pm PT...
Brad,
I think that this Anthrax was military grade to boot. That makes the puzzle even more interesting.
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Big Dan
said on 8/1/2008 @ 5:42 pm PT...
Excellent, catching this. The corporate media is actually implicating themselves in all of this! I know it's hard for many people to realize the corporate media is in on all of this.
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Big Dan
said on 8/1/2008 @ 5:48 pm PT...
Daschle and Leahy were big against going to war, too. The anthrax to Dem leaders and the media: shut up the opposing party and the media about 9/11. Was anthrax sent to any Republican? No.
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Big Dan
said on 8/1/2008 @ 5:56 pm PT...
I didn't hear once today in any reporting on TV or radio, a reminder that even though this guy was an American scientist connected with the Pentagon, that he (if he did it) was trying to link Muslims with 9/11, with messages like "Death To Israel".
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michelle l.
said on 8/1/2008 @ 6:06 pm PT...
Around 1998 it was in the news they required young military soldiers to take anthrax vaccines and in the Navy a few of them died from reactions to the shots. When others refused the injections, they faced court-martial.
Then in 1999 a building housing an Atlanta TV station was evacuated because of a letter marked "Anthrax." It's always been curious because it appeared they were preparing for something several years before 2001 (in more ways than anthrax.)
Good thing Cheney had the anecdote handy. Anthrax spores may have given him a heart attack.
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Soul Rebel
said on 8/1/2008 @ 8:34 pm PT...
Oh Jesus Christ it gets better. Why do I go to MSN.com? Because they paint a broad picture of how INSANE this country is. Anyhoo, the title of the article is "CLOSURE FOR FAMILIES OF ANTHRAX VICTIMS" As if. And the subtitle, which is beyond insane: 'The suicide is pretty convincing evidence that it was him,' one victim says.
I am all for prosecuting the MSM, the bloody lot of them, and revoking their broadcasting licenses. Aren't they supposed to act in the interest of the people?
Thanks for being on top of this immensely important story Brad. I'm going to send you another $50 spot just for this blog article. Cancel your newspaper subscriptions people, they are worthless. I'd dump my cable too if it weren't for C-Span and Noggin.
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Brad Friedman
said on 8/1/2008 @ 8:53 pm PT...
Soul Rebel said:
I am all for prosecuting the MSM, the bloody lot of them, and revoking their broadcasting licenses. Aren't they supposed to act in the interest of the people?
Oh, Soul Rebel. That's so 1970's of you.
Thanks for the kind words and (in advance) for filling the tip jar today.
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Agent 99
said on 8/1/2008 @ 9:29 pm PT...
Hey, hey, hey, I resemble that remark! Codgers rule.
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ewastud
said on 8/2/2008 @ 12:59 am PT...
My (speculative) theory is that subversives in the FBI sought to make Ivins the fall guy and then knocked him off and made it look like a suicide. That conveniently prevents Ivins from putting up a defense against the accusations, as [Steven Hatfill] did very effectively for himself when the FBI tried to do make him the fall guy. This is what we could call the "Lee Harvey Oswald" strategy.
{Ed Note: The guy's name is "Steven Hatfill" and I think it's important we try to keep that straight, so I changed it here. --99}
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MsKitty
said on 8/2/2008 @ 5:57 am PT...
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Kmac
said on 8/2/2008 @ 6:29 am PT...
That conveniently prevents Ivins from putting up a defense against the accusations, as [Steven Hatfill] did.
Plus the fact [Hatfill] cost them 6 million ...
Couldn't let that happen again!
{Ed Note: The guy's name is "Steven Hatfill" and I think it's important we try to keep that straight, so I changed it here. --99}
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ArchiCoot
said on 8/2/2008 @ 8:35 am PT...
I wonder if this has anything to do with the apparent (gangland) roadside suicide of Senator Webb's staff-person in VA?
Too many shallowly investigated suicides in politics over the last 47 years.... and perhaps many more years into the past as well.
This new bedtime story does tie up the anthrax loose ends doesn't it?
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nunya
said on 8/2/2008 @ 9:47 am PT...
My first thought was Oh, Ok, it's Cheney and Rummy making sure this cat don't get out of the bag in court.
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Agent 99
said on 8/2/2008 @ 10:10 am PT...
I think we should face the fact that they can do whatever the hell they want and the media and the legislature will not only let them get away with it but help them get away with it, that we need to take as a baseline that the truth is no part of the "public discourse" and see if we can make anything cogent emerge despite these filthy facts.
I just continually am reminded of Lee Iacocca's Chrysler gig, where he gave out this spectacular warrantee and you could call up and find unfailingly pleasant and seemingly co-operative Chrysler people, but never get your problems or complaints addressed. It was revolutionary. As long as we thought we were being served they could outright not serve us, laughing all the way to the bank. That morphed into resource extraction companies making a hairy deal out of their environmental concern --- where there was none --- but it mollified masses anyway. That morphed into big companies and government agencies taking input from the public that is outright ignored, but most of the public who bother to input are completely happy with them because just being able to state their concerns makes them feel that good things are happening.
Now, we get to comment on all these travesties, yell, gripe, ask however many salient questions we have, and NOTHING is EVER accomplished by it. We either decide to believe whatever the official media dishes and proceed "happily" with our lives or we turn ourselves into professional grousers with equally zero effect... or we spend all our days feeling as though we are going to explode from the unremitting frustration of living on Planet Cognitive Dissonance.
We're adults. We decide how this world is going to be. We can decide it will be different than this.
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NewConstitutionalConvention
said on 8/2/2008 @ 11:15 am PT...
agent99@16
I think we should face the fact that they can do whatever the hell they want and the media and the legislature will not only let them get away with it but help them get away with it, that we need to take as a baseline that the truth is no part of the "public discourse" and see if we can make anything cogent emerge despite these filthy facts.
I acknowledged those facts long ago, when I really started to understand Cannabis/Hemp Prohibition in this country. The Presidential election will be manipulated for Obama and McCain, and few if any will notice, at that will only be after the fact.
If the votes are hacked in favor of the Ficus, it would be noticed by everyone, and we won't have to seat another unelected President.
Back, to the Anthrax. Greenwald has some great analysis and is smart to focus on the ABC "4 sources" angle similar to Truthers focusing on Building 7.
The only people not down for Revolution at this point are the gullible and the content.
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Bamboo Harvester
said on 8/2/2008 @ 12:01 pm PT...
Wilbur ~ I keep telling ya the corporate m$m media and conservative talk radio are nothing but a Protection RACKET for republicans and big business.
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Larry Bergan
said on 8/2/2008 @ 12:11 pm PT...
Another GIANT hurdle is the post hypnotic conspiracy theory tactic. It works beyond belief in this country.There are a thousand ways you can be discounted instantly for life unless the media decides you can be believed no matter what you've done.
The post hypnotic conspiracy theory method works, but we all know something strange is going on here, so keep on keeping on discounting yourselves. It's all we have. Doesn't this suck though?
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Mark
said on 8/2/2008 @ 12:20 pm PT...
I am not sure what you folks are implying here. I am not prone to conspiracy theories but there does seem to be contradictory elements to what I have read. The anthrax incident did come on the heals of 9-1-1 and shored up the Bush case for attacking Iraq. If he was a right winger and affiliated with the goverment (perhaps covert type) I suppose he could have been acting on super secret orders and killed for it years later so the story would die OR maybe this is only a good idea for a fiction novel???
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Big Dan
said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:27 pm PT...
Code Pink has the right idea.
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CDM
said on 8/2/2008 @ 4:46 pm PT...
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Johnathon Loyd
said on 8/2/2008 @ 6:35 pm PT...
Why include the National Enquirer headquarters? How about the stories they ran about Bush's cocaine use, or his partying twins, or even his grandfathers financing of the Nazis? The attacks certainly provided another fear based argument for war with Iraq. However, it also certainly put enough fear into the mainstream media and the Democrats to allow the Bush crime family to get away with a plethora of crimes without any prosecution. Impeachment would be off the table if you feared a biological attack on your family, or ever being able to fly in a plane, (i.e. JFK Jr., Carnahan, Welstone, etc.) Are they really paranoid conspiracy theories when there are fascists in power really conspiring to destroy these people and our Democracy?
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The Oracle
said on 8/2/2008 @ 7:00 pm PT...
Not only was the initial lethal anthrax mailing directed at liberals, but I'd guess that over 99 percent of the copycat terrorist mailings that have followed were also directed at liberals.
In December 2001, CNN ran a bottom-screen news scroll stating that the FBI was conducting 15,000+ investigations into these mailings. This info ran for only 15 minutes, then disappeared. Who ordered CNN execs to pull this?
Several years ago, I read an article on-line (local news coverage) about Al Gore's Nashville TN office receiving an envelope with non-lethal powder in it. A first responder said that this terrorist mailing incident was just one of 400 he'd responded to in that area alone.
So, this cover-up by the corrupt Bush adminstration (and MSM) of right-wingers sending terrorist letters to liberal individuals and organzations is definitely tied into all the other right-wing attempts to use fear as a tool in their "permanent Republican majority" toolbag.
And I figure that the criminals in the Bush administration ordered the CNN report pulled in December 2001 because they didn't want anyone to realize that domestic right-wing terrorists were behind the intitial anthrax and subsequent copycat terrorist mailings...because it would undermine their lying attempt to link Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks, both 9/11 and the terrorist mailings.
Now, the Bush administration, Justice Department, FBI and most MSM outlets have made it a policy to downplay the right-wing connection to all these terrorist attacks inside the United States since 9/11, because if this ever came out, most patriotic U.S. citizens might actually decide to vote for, gasp, a Democrat, and not for one of the "Good Americans," like those that Republicans were trying to pack our federal government with, top to bottom, breaking one law after another to do.
Note: It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this Knoxville killer, a right-winger with intense hatred of liberals, had mailed off a few of these right-wing terrorist letters himself.
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Soul Rebel
said on 8/2/2008 @ 8:51 pm PT...
Johnathon Loyd #23
When Wellstone's plane went down after Carnahan's I thought to myself, "These pricks aren't even trying to hide it, not even trying to be creative." I had an opportunity to talk to Al Franken a little less than a year after Wellstone's death, face to face, in front of an audience of 8000+ at the Seattle Center Arena when he was promoting "Lies" along with Molly Ivins. I asked him point blank if he thought that these neocons were capable of murder to protect themselves - I mean, their policies result in death, destruction, and mayhem for their own profit and power, so why not take the more direct route (murder) when it suits their purpose. I referenced Carnahan and Wellstone, but didn't ask if he thought they were murdered, just if Cheney (specifically) was capable of it. So here's the rub, and I think exactly what the problem is with talking heads and Democratic politicians - he completely avoided it "No, no, that was pilot error. That's a bad question." He was pissed at me for even bringing it up, but I'll bet the bank that a good half of that audience thought it was a great question, in fact, at least ten people stopped me when it was done and thanked me for bringing it up.
When is a theory a conspiracy? When people who are supposedly on YOUR side (and I say this because I agree with 99% of what Al says, and I love his books) dismiss the supposition, avoid the topic, because of their own ego. My respect for Franken plummeted that day.
So what does that mean for us? It means that stating the bleedin' obvious turns US into kooks and tinfoil hat wearers. But it also exposes the lack of courage of our leaders (in government and in the media). It's one of the reasons I've stuck with Brad for four years now. There are about 3 places that I think I can turn to for real news these days, Brad, Randi Rhodes, and Mike Malloy (although Mike is sometimes more vitriol that information, but I believe there's definitely a place for it.) As Randi likes to say : The news has been cancelled.
Too true mate, too bloody true.
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Dave of Maryland
said on 8/3/2008 @ 6:19 am PT...
Since it wasn't a story but a fabrication, ABC could be hauled into court as accessories to murder. Grand jury stuff. Name the sources or face hard time.
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Mark
said on 8/3/2008 @ 8:38 am PT...
Don't get me wrong I think Bush and thugs are perfectly capable from a moral deprivation point of view. I just think the stupidity factor would have led to their exposure sooner than this, after all they could not cover up the lack of WMDs. I do think more rot will come out as we get further away from the Bush administration. The fear tactics of Bush and RNC crones has become a head f*** that has gone on way too long. The politics of fear apparently appeals to enough to keep those pricks in office but I am hoping their constant appeals to the wolf will wear out their welcome. McCain seems all too willing to keep the legacy going. He is trying to get people to distrust Obama as a" star" and not a leader. Why doesn't Obama blast back that a leader that makes wrong decisions, like defending and voting for wars that were started by mistake is not any leadership credentials to brag about?
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Don Farkas
said on 8/3/2008 @ 1:02 pm PT...
Today's report in the 8/3/08 LA Times (pg. A17, col 1) about the "therapist" social worker, Jean Duley, who sought a restraining order against Ivins in court on July 24, 2008 because she was "scared to death" of him, seems odd in that:
1) It comes rather late in time before he was about to be arrested and conveniently serves to help paint Ivins as "a sociopathic, homicidal killer..." and someone who had plotted "revenge killings," even though other press interviews with co-workers and neighbors have all seemed to uniformly show they are surprised Ivins could be capable of committing such crimes.
2) The alleged need for Duley to expend her time and money in going to court to obtain a protective restraining order against Ivins seems somewhat redundant and unnecessary given the reports about the ongoing investigations of Ivins by the FBI who, by that point in time, were said to be following him 24 hours a day.
3) Most State jurisdictions provide for allowing therapists to breach patient/therapist confidentiality when a patient presents a clear threat of great bodily harm or death to another or him/herself, and yet it is not clear from the articles I have seen whether that was a factor in Ivin's case, or even in what capacity or extent "social worker" Duley worked with Ivins as a therapist (e.g., was she a licensed social worker? What kind of therapy had she provided? Had Ivins admitted killing anyone to her?).
Not enough facts about the specific evidence against Ivins has been made available to the public to yet form any clear opinions, but the very paucity of the information provided, as well as the many other suspicious circumstances of the anthrax attack investigations, and the timing of naming Ivins as a suspect, so far certainly don't pass the stink test.
As a separate matter related to the possible "anti-liberal" motives of the perpetrator(s) for targeting specifically named victims on envelopes addressed in the anthrax attacks, it may be worth checking the circumstance that shortly before the anthrax attacks occurred, many tabloid newspapers had published several unflattering articles and photos about the drinking and partying behaviors of President Bush's then underaged daughters, Jenna and Barbara Bush, whose youthful antics had recently attracted the attention of the press. I have long wondered whether any of the named individuals who were addressed in the anthrax attacks had also been involved in any way with publishing those particular articles or photos.
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Linda
said on 8/3/2008 @ 1:31 pm PT...
Terrific piece, Brad.
Would love to see someone do a video spoof on the hunt for the mythical liberal media, along the lines of the Presiden't's disgusting little "jus' jokin' around y'all" skit about the hunt for the mythical WMDs in Iraq.
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Carol Grosser
said on 8/3/2008 @ 4:13 pm PT...
The "Ivins" suicide is along in a long list of nutty, antisocial killers beginning with Oswald so successful for power-made men/women trying to run this country and provide themselves with mega-comfort level lifestyles. The favored methods of disposing of people with conscience are either plane crashes or lone killers with bad psychological problems. Our fellow country men and women just look scared and keep silent. They can just excuse their comfort level with crazy conspiracy nut theory and return to keeping themselves entertained. Who can blame them? What option do they have? To keep from looking at reality, all they have to do is listen to the mainstream news media and be reassured there is a dead heat between the liberals and conservatives and facile discussions means all is well. They can pretend we are not headed to bankruptcy and "civilization" collapse because of the total ignorance of peak population and diminishing resources. Can one even comprehend a world where someone like Rush Limbaugh gets paid the unbelievable amount he is paid? If it were written in fiction no one would believe it could actually happen!
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nora
said on 8/3/2008 @ 5:27 pm PT...
Brad,
Your list of liberals is not complete without the names of John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. (Some think they don't belong because attempts were made on Ford and Reagan, too; however, the attempts failed afterall. A discussion of these Bush I failures is for another time.)
There is a strange dissonance in our culture where corporations decide on what we see on TV and in Movies via their investments in only certain 'properties'; thus our airwaves and moviehouses are filled with all manner of mayhem, murder, torture and assassination as receive corporate approval. And yet, at the same time, a clear examination of reality is disallowed on major corporate media, and the only explanations I've ever picked up around the fringes of discussion are: 1/ It's not good for the children (!) and 2/ It would induce "copycat" crimes.
Regarding the non-mention of the intended victims of the anthrax letters-- You are so right. The AP article in my a local paper here relegated Daschle's call for "a complete accounting of their investigation" to the last two paragraphs of the story. And --- as if to indicate a total randomness to the poisoning attempts --- there was a description with photos of the anthrax death of an elderly lady (Ottilie Lundgren, 94, of Oxford, Connecticut).
What is that smell? I think I smell a rat. Wait. No, no, make that RATS. The anthrax poisonings/scare were too much for one LONE RAT (The Lone Gunman Explanation) to have accomplished. We MUST start allowing a non-derided public discussion of the Crimes of Conspiracy. Because they are so much more efficient, and we have had just too, too many efficient crimes against Progressives for too, too long. (Let's start our list early and include the Pinkertons shooting down unarmed strikers!)
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Terrible
said on 8/4/2008 @ 9:06 am PT...
I'd very much like to see the FBIs evidence that Ivins was ever in Franklin Park, NJ also. Kinda hard to pin the attacks on him without that you'd think. Maybe Dick Cheneys staff can forge some documents and filter them through the Italians to show that he was there?
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Zane Safrit
said on 8/4/2008 @ 11:35 am PT...
Great post.
But I think we need to stop blaming the big, bad MSM. At the time of the attacks, it was obvious that only opponents of the Bush WH and its agendas were targeted. We really shouldn't need the media to spoon-feed every connection to us. The names and titles of each target were reported in October 2001.
It was clear that leading outlets of the media as well as democratic leaders in the Senate were the targets. It was labelled a terrorist attack, yet not WH or administration officials or military sites were targeted.
As far as why the NY Post was targeted? It was coincidental that it and the SUN were the last media outlets to carry stories of the Bush daughters' activities, including pictures. Since then, you haven't heard a peep about them.
The purpose of the attack was a public shot across the bow for any opponents of this admin. And the media and Democratic leaders in Congress heard the message.