READER COMMENTS ON
"NYT Blocks British Readers from Monday's Article on Alleged Liquid Bombing Plot"
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phil
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:25 am PT...
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:57 am PT...
Phil
What I don't like about the article you linked is that, while it shows how asinine all this hyperventilation about liquid bombs is, the author can't resist replacing all the fear quelled with something even more ominous to keep us sweating. The POINT is to get over our terror and start acting like strong, intelligent and decent humans, not to continue with this death-dealing, sick-making fear mongering that enables the worst terrorists on the planet to stay in control. WHY can't the griping victims of all this terrorizing ever stop ADDING to it?
No matter who is dishing it or why, it ONLY serves to increase the mass paralysis that keeps us from making a better world.
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a. knight
said on 8/31/2006 @ 2:33 am PT...
There are different standards for the actions of a lawful free press at issue here. In the UK, there is a precedence given to the due process rights of a defendent over the rights to publish without prior governmental restraints. I believe that the NY Times publishes in the UK, possibly only under the IHT banner, but this still places them within applicability of British law, no matter that many believe it is absurd, and cannot be enforced given the www, it is still law in the UK.
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 2:46 am PT...
a. knight
I think it's a good law, and one that under almost all circumstances should be emulated by other countries, ours! It is problematic, though, when the population of the world is being terrorized --- and put through monster inconvenience at airports and on airplanes, sometimes being dragged off by the police for wearing a t-shirt with funny writing on it, or for carrying computers while brown-skinned --- all by the sensationalism, lurid speculation, and outright lies of the authorities. So, in this case, since the article tended to have a calming effect, it might have been better for the people of Britain to have had access to it up front.
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phil
said on 8/31/2006 @ 8:28 am PT...
#2 Agent, spot on.
(Yo: My mind didn't even register your point when I originally read that article. I guess I have a built in filter to cull through the crap.)
My intent wasn't to add to yet more FAKE NEWS FEAR.
Only to show that it would be a pain in the ass to mess with TATP and it probably wouldn't have worked.
Is this a reason to remove someone's $12 bottle of LOBOB eye cleaning solution? Or little Timmy's Hawaiian Punch? Hell no.
Liberty and Fear do not live well together.
One needs look farther than the patriot act I, II, (what number is it now?) and the domestic surveilance of all communications without FISA or ANY oversight.
Fear and no constitutional rights.. that'd be a match.
On the other hand, The Airlines OWN their birds.
And frankly they should do whatever it takes to make it safe, flying is dangerous all by itself. I know because I worked on F-4G's and E's as an aircraft electrician.
Unless your wearing a line badge, you probably shouldn't have a knife, or other tools. Again, my opinion.
This whole war on terror thing is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Terror happens, and it needs to be fought at the Local Police level, not with missiles, daisy cutters, and nukes, and the shreading of the foundation of the United States constitution. It's clearly a power move. The question is how make a better RAT TRAP and start holding these bastards accountable.
What should the punishment be for breaking the Oath Of Office?
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 8/31/2006 @ 8:34 am PT...
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big dan
said on 8/31/2006 @ 9:57 am PT...
Rush Limboob said that we should put the Iraq War in perspective. 2,000 soldiers died, but 40,000 people die in car accidents each year, so it's "OK".
I will use his own analogy...3,000 people died in the WTC, and 40,000 died in car accidents. So, what do we do? We bomb a country, undermine the constitution and our American way of life with fear, spend a trillion dollars on a war on terror for 3,000 people dying...etc...you get this picture.
What I want to know, do dittoheads (or fuckheads as I call them) really listen to this fat, lying, drug-addict, unpatriotic, partisan hack???
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Sherry
said on 8/31/2006 @ 11:11 am PT...
Big Dan # 7 said:
What I want to know, do dittoheads (or fuckheads as I call them) really listen to this fat, lying, drug-addict, unpatriotic, partisan hack???
The answer to your question is a resounding YES My aunt is 86 years old and she listens to him everyday! If she wasn't a fuckhead before, she is certainly one now! She has become an opinionated, in your face, know-it-all, sanctimonious simpleton!
Needless to say, her and I fell out years ago, when she insisted that the only news worth watching was Faux news! I couldn't resist setting her straight and we haven't spoken since. Her loss, my gain.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Judge
said on 8/31/2006 @ 12:47 pm PT...
British authorities wanted to keep the plot going longer? It couldn't have been too close to the execution stage then, obviously.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:21 pm PT...
QUOTE: One of the suspects said on his own martyrdom video that the "war against Muslims" in Iraq and Afghanistan had motivated him to act.
This my friends is a response to the real TERRORISTS in the WHITE HOUSE AND WASHINGTON DC in their war to takeover Iraqi oil fields based on complete lies.
250,000 Iraqi civilian DEATHS and unknown # of casulties. Bombing 6 months prior to the US invasion.
Over 2500 US Servicemen deaths.
No exit strategy because these greedy lying murderers are still getting rich perpetuating their lies even though it putting American taxpayers farther in debt and increasing everyday.
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Michael Collins
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:31 pm PT...
Winter Patriot, I'm tempted to say that you are the b.mb but I don't use that word anywhere anymore. This is tremendous value added and I can't thank you enough. And high praise for the first couple of folks out of the chute who were simply chemists stating that the level of sophistication to pull this off would be well beyond any personnel or even beyond facilities on the plane (something about mixing these chemicals being deadly except in a lab). Amazing, what a fraud. Maybe it was all a plot by Blair and Murdoch to divert the coup against Blair in Labour. I don't want to think that but now that the door is open, why not speculate. These are, after all, the people - Blair - * - who lied us into a disaster in Iraq with deliberate intent. In fact Blair's lousy intel study (taken from internet sources) was waived around by * and Powell as revealed truth before the truth was revealed. Great stuff!!!
M
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:33 pm PT...
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:45 pm PT...
Winter,
Thanks for bringing this topic back from the depths.
I look forward to the rest of the story.
This administration is whithout a doubt the slimiest beast that ever roamed.
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big dan
said on 8/31/2006 @ 1:50 pm PT...
#8 Sherry...I indirectly called your Aunt a "fuckhead"...the GOP gets free campaign advertising, too, when Limbaugh/Hannity/O'Reilly do those "between" show comments on other people's shows. Isn't that like free campaigning for the GOP all over our AM radio??? All their "mini" comments on break-in's between other people's shows, consist of lies about the Democrats, which to me, are GOP campaign commercials, and should come under those laws. Anyone ever think of that? If there are any laws concerning regular commercials vs. campaign commercials, these mini-breakins should come under different laws (if they exist), and the GOP gets year-round campaign commercials from Limboob/Handjobbity/O'LIEly/and the senile Paul "Wal-Mart" Harvey. Good day? I think Paul Harvey is senile, with some of the embarrassing shit he says on the radio. He should go back to 1850 where he belongs.
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 2:00 pm PT...
Bluebear2, #12
RIGHT. ON. !!!
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 4:12 pm PT...
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 4:26 pm PT...
Bluebear2
Hey! It IS bullshit! The kid's got it right. Why the hell aren't the legions of hiphoppers out there calling bullshit on "the establishment" like we did at their age? THERE'S the crowds to rally for some coverage of our discontent!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 4:32 pm PT...
Too busy working on bad attitudes and gang crap. No hope for the future in their minds so the just blow it away rather than work to change it.
As I said - I don't like most of what I hear from Rap, but that one is right-on!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 4:52 pm PT...
Well, I'm old, and way out of it, but it seems to me I read that "Nelly" or "Nellie", a gorgeous kid with a Band-Aid on his cheek, had something like a brain and a social conscience.... Maybe you could ask one of your kids about it.
Are they still doing "raves" or is that, like, so last week? Maybe, before they get blasted, someone could suggest they get BUSY?
With our officials and the media so hot to whip everyone into a frenzy of fear over really questionable stuff, and willing to invade other countries from made-up intel, and spoiling to go to war in Iran, and forcing all reserves to go back on active status, the draft cannot be far off. They've already got the draft boards all set up for it, long since, and I think people would much rather take the chance of getting hauled off to FEMA camp here, or even of getting shot here, where it's much less likely to happen, than be sent to the Middle East to become killers for lies, and killed for lies. If you're right about their attitudes, and you probably are, they need wake up calls.
Or. We wait for them to pull that and watch the nation erupt into violence then....
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Agent99
said on 8/31/2006 @ 6:00 pm PT...
Phil, #5
What should the punishment be for breaking the Oath Of Office?
I don't know what's on the books for breaking it, but I agree with the Grizz. Life in prison... at least for the top flight oath-takers. Maybe the minions who break it on orders from above could get 15 to 20, or a tiered system of sentencing, but when it is any top administration official, senator, representative or justice, lock them up and throw away the key. Unfortunately, unless we manage to prevent the election fraud in November, we might not have the power to institute any of this in the normal Rule of Law way. The People may have to make themselves heard, seen, felt in a more up-close-and-personal way. All this hoked-up terrorizing quells that instinct in the citizenry. That's why we have to get over the fear. We need to be able to SEE and ACT.
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molly
said on 8/31/2006 @ 6:22 pm PT...
#19 I like Nellie too....am also old. Hey, is this a predominantly old people's site? When you guys were writing about your lives it seemed quite a few were the age to have been 60's hippies. One of the greatest periods of our history, I might add. I'm already so off topic I'll just keep right on. Rawstory has a great article up about the mayor of Salt Lake City making a speech that is killer. Old Time Democratic speech. 4 to 5,000 at anti war rally in the heart of one of the last red states. Bush is going down.
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 8:07 pm PT...
Molly Said:
"...quite a few were the age to have been 60's hippies."
High school class of '67, TyeDyed and True, still got the pony tail and all.
Peace Sister!
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
Molly -
BVAC posted this Video of the Salt Lake Protest on the Mike Malloy thread.
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Bluebear2
said on 8/31/2006 @ 9:26 pm PT...
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big dan
said on 9/1/2006 @ 7:02 am PT...
So, how many Americans know this "liquid bomber" stuff is a bunch of bullshit? Were there any polls??? Headlines should read, anymore, "Cheney at it again...now there's 'liquid bombers'".
Let's play a game, and predict what's next. How about the "HAIR BOMBER"??? This one makes strands of his/her hair into little bombs...or how about the "NOSE bomber"? This one puts on a fake nose that's actually a bomb!!! Or the "penis bomber". This guy's penis is actually a miniature scud missile.
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big dan
said on 9/1/2006 @ 7:06 am PT...
Here's 2 more: "The testicle bomber"...his testicles are really miniature hand grenades...and "The Booby bomber"...her breasts are detachable cluster bombs. Anything else Cheney/Bushco can invent for a scarey bomb threat???
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 9/1/2006 @ 7:22 am PT...
My point is, they screwed up with the "liquid bombers"...that covered too much, there's nothing left, so my prediction is they will move into body parts. The "Hair Plug" bomber, sets off pop-up mines in his hair plugs when he combs his hair.
You won't be laughing when Cheney says they caught the first body part plane bomber!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 9/1/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 9/1/2006 @ 11:25 am PT...
Don't forget about the mile high club bomb which can easily be ignited by the friction down below regardless of the hijacker's sex. That's right regardless of sex so homophobes beware! Nascar voters best keep your helmet on. People who insist on supporting leaders who are lying murderers continue to watch the movie screen and enjoy the ride.
No box cutters.
No hydrogen peroxide.
Next thing you know it will be reported that another commercial jet has smashed into the same side of the PENTAGON. Wings, titanium engines, misc plane parts and all passenger spontaneously combusted unlike all other plane crashes in history (with exception of course to the 757 airbus that was reported to have hit the PENTAGON back on 911).
This story will be parroted on all the major U.S. TV and RADIO station however their will be NO VIDEO. NO VIDEO from the most protected building on watch 24/7 TO EVIDENCE THIS CRASH EITHER BECAUSE THAT'S CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. SORT OF LIKE ANY VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ABOUT ELECTRONIC VOTE COUNTS IN US ELECTIONS.
ISN'T FASCISM i mean U.S. democracy SWELL under the watch of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 9/3/2006 @ 6:46 am PT...
The "Penis Bomber" gives new meaning, to when Cheney says, "They're going to hit us HARD"! Only the most unintelligent of Americans believe this nonsense, but they are hardcore stupid. As Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid."
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Laura
said on 9/3/2006 @ 9:49 am PT...
Stupid is as stupid does, DOD keeps trying to move Divine Strake to different parts of the country but the people are not buying what their selling. This must be stopped! http://www.rense.com/general73/divine.htm