READER COMMENTS ON
"U.S. Supreme Court Slaps Down Montana Supreme Court Challenge to 'Citizens United'"
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GrizzlyBearDancer
said on 6/25/2012 @ 11:02 am PT...
Thanx for posting this article. I put it up on FB.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/25/2012 @ 12:18 pm PT...
For those who, like myself, who have taken exception to many of President Obama's policies, they need to look no further than this decision to understand why they must hold their noses, while they work to defeat Mitt "Gordon Gekko" Romney in November.
As I explained in Romney Hopes to Bork the Courts:
If Romney becomes the POTUS, corporate despotism will be firmly entrenched for generations to come, and nothing, short of a constitutional amendment or a revolution, will change that stark reality.
The one silver lining that comes from this decision is the fact that Justice Kagan signed onto the dissent, erasing all doubts as to where she stands on Citizens United. If Obama is re-elected and seizes the opportunity to appoint Justices like Sotomayor and Kagan, the 5-4 majority decision may ultimately be overturned by a new majority who understands the corrupting effect of unlimited corporate funding of elections.
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Nunyabiz
said on 6/25/2012 @ 5:21 pm PT...
what exactly is stopping Montana from NOT allowing it anyway?
If I were Montana I would simply not allow it period.
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Soul Rebel
said on 6/25/2012 @ 6:28 pm PT...
Supreme Crooks, more like.
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Ishmael
said on 6/25/2012 @ 10:50 pm PT...
What if Montana just decided to cancel their participation in the 2012 election?
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Ralph Crown
said on 6/26/2012 @ 7:54 am PT...
It is time to impeach Scalia and Thomas.
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Big Dan
said on 6/26/2012 @ 2:04 pm PT...
So...all those for state's rights, like for the Arizona immigration law, GOP state voter id laws, etc...WILL BE OUTSPOKEN ON BEING FOR MONTANA STATE LAW here, right? State's rights?
I expect to see rightwing media saying how outrageous this decision against state's rights is: Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, FOX "news", Laura Ingraham, etc...the whole state's rights gang. They're all talking about how outraged they are today, right?
Crickets?
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John Puma
said on 6/26/2012 @ 2:21 pm PT...
Re Obama's opportunities to "improve" the court.
By the very same circumstances by which Willard could ensure a 7-2 lock on SCOTUS, Inc., Obama would most like have only the "opportunity" to maintain the 4-5 disadvantage.
That is, those justices most likely to need replacing are among the minority 4.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/26/2012 @ 6:07 pm PT...
John Puma @8 wrote:
By the very same circumstances by which Willard could ensure a 7-2 lock on SCOTUS, Inc., Obama would most like have only the "opportunity" to maintain the 4-5 disadvantage.
That is, those justices most likely to need replacing are among the minority 4.
Age suggests otherwise. The four oldest justices now on the bench are Ginsberg, 79, Scalia, 76, Kennedy 75 (to be 76 in July) and Breyer, 73.
If Obama were to replace all four with Justices like those who dissented in this case, the vote would be 6-3 to overturn Citizens United.
If the three oldest were replaced by Obama appointees, the vote would also be 6-3 to overturn Citizens United.
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John Puma
said on 6/27/2012 @ 6:42 am PT...
To Ernest:
In the absence of a mandatory retirement age, I'd suggest health and political ideology, not age, is the determining factor.
Ginsberg's pancreatic cancer will probably create the next opening on the bench. As with Breyer, the risk would be confirming someone as desirable ... to maintain the minority at merely 4-5.
If Obama is reelected, pure political will and obstinance, in the absence of biological collapse, will keep Scalia on the bench.
Don't know about Kennedy's health nor if he possesses a level of self-importance, attached to his swing vote position, that overrides all other considerations of life's potential for a 76-year old.
Let us not assume that all Obama confirmations would decide as we would like to see, for the rehash of Citizens United or in general. This for all manner of reasons from Obama's actual nominations to the pathology of the Senate GOP to the large selection of Senate DINOs.
The confirmation process will become very much more difficult than we have seen for Obama, if and when a seat determining the direction of the 5-4 swing is in the balance.
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 6/27/2012 @ 8:28 am PT...
John, outside of Ginsberg, there is no indication of immediate health problems, though the Chief Justice has suffered two unexplained seizures.
By the time the next POTUS is sworn in, Scalia will be close to 77, Kennedy 76. I've seen no study that suggests obstinate right-wing assholes live longer than the rest of us.
So, odds are that two of the likely three Supreme Court openings during the next four+ years will be on the right.
Finally, when it comes to corporate power, Kennedy is not a "swing vote". He's the author of Citizens United.
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John Puma
said on 6/27/2012 @ 8:57 am PT...
To Ernest:
OK, let me then put it this way: I don't know about Kennedy's health, or if he possesses a desire to protect his baby, Citizens United, or has a level of self-importance, attached to his swing vote position, that overrides all other considerations of life's potential for a 76-year old who once tasted "supreme" power.
I didn't say obstinate, right-wing assholes live longer than the rest of us. I said that one of the two critical "justices" in question, for sure, has sufficient obstinacy and assholery to suggest that only his death will create a vacancy for his seat. You have provided evidence that the same might well be true for Kennedy.
My point was that merely listing ages is not a foolproof method for predicting openings of SCOTUS, Inc.
Does your not having addressed the last two paragraphs of my post #10 mean that you agree with that analysis?
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WingnutSteve
said on 6/28/2012 @ 8:09 am PT...
After the rulings on 1070 and Obamacare this week, I think you folks can officially stop whining about the Supreme Court. States cannot protect themselves and the Federal government has limitless powers, this is not and has never been a "conservative" court.