READER COMMENTS ON
"Election Day 'Meltdown' Reported in Lucas County, OH"
(40 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/21/2005 @ 1:45 am PT...
Honesty is a fallen hero in Ohio.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/21/2005 @ 2:47 am PT...
OT - has anyone else picked up a virus from BradBlog?
The symptom is that a strange window pops up saying "you must press 'yes' to continue". However, there is no 'yes' button, only an 'ok' button.
I immediately ran task manager and looked at what apps were running. I saw two " " showing up as applications. I zapped them and the window went away.
Something had created a directory ".jpi_cache" with two subdirectories "file" and "jar", each with subdirectories "1.0" under them.
In the "1.0" subdirectories are two files. One is "arc.zip-37951a10-58abae84.idx" which contains some info: "http://209.190.18.194/arc.zip GManifest-Version: 1.0 Created-By: 1.4.1_02 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)"
Another file is "arc.zip-37951a10-58abae84.zip", which contains the files "Verifierbug.class", "counter.class", "gummy.class", "beyond.class", "worker.class", and "web.exe".
One or more of the files has a virus "Java/ByteVerify" in it.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 11/21/2005 @ 6:45 am PT...
For Dredd: I talked to Bernadette Noe and she told me you shouldn't be having computer problems. Everything's fine.
She also asked me if I were interested in buying some rare coins.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Medium Right
said on 11/21/2005 @ 7:19 am PT...
Make sure and give daily updates on the CIA leak Case. LOL. Nice try, again.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 11/21/2005 @ 8:25 am PT...
Medium [head is]Right[up his ass].. I don't understand how you never manage to post a post with any substance? Why is that? What exactly is your point? I mean, since you never say anything that refutes a blog entry, or offers anything constructive, why do you bother to say anything? I really don't understand the mentality that simply wants to upset people for no reason other than getting them riled up. Can't you understand that that kind of acting out is detrimental to you and, in this kind of context, the entire country?
Here's a novel idea. Instead of just spitting here and there, how about opening up a dialog? How about stating an opinion about a subject instead of just pandering to emotion and juvinile antics? Really.. you do no good for anyone or anything when you can't even bring yourself to form an educated opinion and express that opinion. Though, it's the way of the Republican Party these days.. spew hate and anger and fear to retain power.. like any bully does. But, like any bully, they will get their ass handed to them by the rational masses. After all, that -is- why we formed societies in the first place.
That said, isn't it amazing that investigations into a bad election won't be done until after they decide what the outcome of the vote was? Another failing of simple logic by the right-wing. Man, if this is the pravailing brain power of the righ-wing, we're all screwed if they manage to steal another election. I don't think our country can survive 2 or 4 more years of this psyhosis, we'll implode.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 11/21/2005 @ 8:57 am PT...
Here's an example of bad logic being used by the right-wing. Rummy is saying "he didn't advocate" the invasion, but "agreed with going to war". Hmm.. perhaps we should look at the dictionary again?
Advocate:
# One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender: an advocate of civil rights.
# a person who pleads for a cause or propounds an idea; push for something
"agree with":
# To grant consent; accede
# To come into or be in accord, as of opinion: I agree with you on that.
# To come to an understanding or to terms
# To be compatible or consistent; correspond
So, for him to say "he completely agreed" that going to war was good is -almost- the same as advocating it.. and I agree that there's a hair to be split. Yet, when Rummy was standing there providing the same talking points, saying the same things as the rest of the Administration (talking about "mushroom clouds" and the like), that -is- advocating.. he -was- "arguing for" or "providing reasons" and "defending the position". He is trying to play a game by adding the caveat "I wasn't asked", but that's irrelavant to the accusations. His being asked isn't required for him to "advocate"..
Trying to pretend like you didn't say something you did... isn't that "rewriting history"? Gooooo Admin!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Kevin Mark Smith
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:00 am PT...
Massive voter fraud tends to favor liberal candidates. You lefties should be ecstatic that Diebold is on your side! Ask Daley and his Mobsters in Chicago which party benefits from cheating. And stop bringing up Florida. Remember that it was in Democratic-controlled counties where the mistakes happened; the Dems had their collective heads up the butts of the Florida electorate, not Republicans. We just made it right in the end.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:12 am PT...
there are three kinds of democrat ballot counters - those that can count and those that cant.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:16 am PT...
Both parties have benefited from cheating in the past. Richard Daley and Sam Giancana cheated for Kennedy in 1960. Beginnning with the Hagel sale of E.S.&S. machines to Nebraska in 1996, the overwhelming majority of electoral fraud has been on the Republican side.
Speaking for myself, I'll bring up Florida as often as I wish. The "mistakes" referred to are not what decided the election, though they contributed. Votes were flipped electronically according to a software prototype (see Clint Curtis affidavit). In addition, minority voters were disenfranchised en masse according to a carefully calculated plan involving out-of-state former felons who were legal to vote and assorted scare tactics that kept voters from the polls.
If, by "we made it right at the end," Mr. Smith means the right person won, that's simply wrong. It took a while, but when the last analysis of the vote was taken about a year after the election, Gore was declared the actual winner. This isn't really a matter of dispute at this point, except to trolls who cite extraneous facts in an effort to fool people.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:23 am PT...
KMS #7
You say "Massive voter fraud tends to favor liberal candidates". Since you did not make reference to any specific country, nor offer anything except your "sacred opinion", I will answer your naked assertion with the response "Except in the US".
I will also offer the following documentation:
"Exit polls are highly accurate. They remove most of the sources of potential polling error by identifying actual voters and asking them immediately afterward who they had voted for.
The reliability of exit polls is so generally accepted that the Bush administration helped pay for them during recent elections in Georgia, Belarus and Ukraine. Testifying before the House Committee on International Relations Dec. 7, John Tefft, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, explained that the Bush administration funded exit polls because they were one of the “ways that would help to expose large-scale fraud.” Tefft pointed to the discrepancy between exit polls and the official vote count to argue that the Nov. 22 Ukraine election was stolen." (link here, documented here)
If you are interested in facts of history, exit polls have traditionally been extremely accurate.
It is only the advent of voting machines without verifiable paper trails that exit polls have suddenly become "inaccurate" at locations where they are used. At the same time the same exit polls are accurate where Diebold machines are not used.
We are already aware of, and reject, your argument that voters are to blame for bad elections.
Because it is the lame, tired, and already rejected hybrid version of victim blaming. Blame the voters and let those who are in charge go scott free.
How shameful.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:23 am PT...
#19: even the palm beach post after the 357th recount gave up the ghore ghost that he & lieberman won. Your horse lost FL.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:25 am PT...
castro, does your male version have as many balls as your female version?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:32 am PT...
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:41 am PT...
Hot Off the Press--
DIEBOLD CAUGHT VIOLATING COURT ORDER
see details here and forward the link to your friends and to the media.
I especially love the last sentence: "If the state of California contineus to certify Diebold Voting Systems, those public officials responsible for such failure to act must be considered as participants in a series of corrupt actions."
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:43 am PT...
#12 you are SO hard to buy a gift for. This is my last attempt before giving up and wrapping up a $5 gift certificate to nascar world.
washington times click ads
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:48 am PT...
What I find amazing is, people like Castro come here, get reprimanded time and again for "not playing by the rules", then try to say "the dems cheat, they suck, they can't play by the rules".. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the only "lefty"on this board that's had a comment removed (and that was for attacking a commenter? *shrug*.. seems that's all that we get from the trolls these days, but in the spirit of fairness, they are allowed to post nonsense and attacks and pointless posts.. but I'm not complaining, really I will simply refrain from letting the bottom of the lowest scum get under my skin anymore, people that dense aren't worth my time).
I think the point of how "exit polls" are "accurate" (unless they say Republicans stole an election) has been beaten to death. Only those with an agenda or insanely stuck in a "partisan mentality" are dismissing them. Only people who don't think it's wrong for -them- to break the rules but get bent out of whack when someone else cheats and bests them, they are still chanting the drivel of "sour grapes" and "sore losers".. they don't care about Democracy or Freedom or our Constitution or this country, they only care about what benifits them.. the most basic, simple, selfish, and perhaps most pathetic aspect of our nature.. the bit that is on par with all the other animals, the bit that is -supposed- to be goverened by "reason" and "thought".. seems an awful waste of cerebral cortex when they just use instinct all day and no reason, doesn't it?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 9:52 am PT...
#16 you're just bitter because #12 is ahead you on the gift list.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:00 am PT...
Well, no Castro.. I'm just bitter because you are too ignorant to even bother figuring out how to post a link without breaking the blog, but then come along and try to crap on everyone for no good reason.
You have what, 5 posts on this thread? and not ONE statement of fact or -any- contrabution to this thread. Telling, actually.. that you don't care about having real conversations. That's the typical Republican mindset.. lie, distract, spit and spew, misinform.. what ever it takes to keep the truth out of the light, to keep corrupt and immoral leaders stealing from the masses (and you too) and giving it to the rich.. I guess you could say that Republicans are Anti-Robinhood and Anti-American ..
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:08 am PT...
Why do so many here waste time with trolls? A recent thread had 160+ comments, mostly a back and forth between a few people. What don't you understand about the typical troll modus operandi? Your energy is best used in more productive ways.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:13 am PT...
Kevin Mark Smith #7
Please cite some exact figures on your statement "Massive voter fraud tends to favor liberal candidates." We need the numbers so we can compare them to collected data.
You also said, "We just made it right in the end." I can only assume you mean to say that cheating is ok if it fits your agenda. Is that what you mean?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:37 am PT...
#19: easy to explain. Trolls are little short furry people who can hold their liquor
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:44 am PT...
Hi Kira! "We just made it right in the end." That says it all - game, set, match - they should go directly to jail, etc...
This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, we're talking about our democracy here. I'm pissed enough to fight and, if necessary, die for this one...
Nonetheless, Love and Peace from Prague
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:47 am PT...
re #22: chickenhawk alert
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/21/2005 @ 12:10 pm PT...
Hi Czaragorn! Love & peace to you, too!
From Brugge Belgium
"On one of our wandering walks, we noticed a familiar looking guy on a “wanted” poster, stuck on a window behind bars. See if you agree with a local’s view. In case you can’t read all the text, it says:
WANTED
George W. Bush
FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE PLANET
Beware if you meet this man!
He suffers from delusions that he is the democratically elected President of the USA. Do not approach him, he is nuclear armed and dangerous. Act responsibly and contact the nearest police station."
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 11/21/2005 @ 1:15 pm PT...
Possibly off topic (but maybe not): Today I received a message from a C.I.A. website (cia.gov)
addressed to "Dear Sir/Madam."
It informed me that my IP address has been encrypted on 30 illegal websites, and asked me to call their number in Washington. The message was signed "Faithfully, Steven Allison" (presumably a C.I.A. employee--possibly an alter ego of Valerie Plame?")
When I called the number (not a Washington, D.C. area code), I heard a recording informing me that it was the C.I.A. all right, but when I pushed "4" to speak to a live person, I got a second recording that the mailbox was full. The call then terminated.
Anyone else have an experience like this? Is bradblog one of the 30 "illegal websites?" Could this be a dirty trick by one of our trolls?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 11/21/2005 @ 1:24 pm PT...
Bob - I'd suspect if the CIA really had a concern about (or for) you, they'd call you, rather than send an email requesting same. Responding to those things simply allows whoever is sending out the SPAM (certainly not the actual CIA) to confirm you phone number, email address, etc. I'd suggest you ignore them.
As I suggest folks here ignore troll posting which lack any intelligent content whatsoever. When they manage to sidetrack from the criminal and corrupt behavior documented here, they win. Don't fall for it.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 11/21/2005 @ 1:30 pm PT...
Not sure, RLM.. I don't put my email addy up for just that reason.. And, if you have "dialup" (or broadband), you don't have a "dedicated IP", which means they can't say jack to you (unless they get the time/date/login info from your ISP, which normally takes a court order.. but with the Patriot Act, who knows). Basically, you have an IP now, but your neighbor could have it tomorrow (hardware recycles and the like). With broadband, you normally keep your IP unless you power off your modem, but that's not "quarenteed". Only your ISP (and presumably protected by the Privacy Act) has your hardware/IP combo... someone would have to hack your ISP to muck around in the logs to get your IP (or hack Brad's site and rummage in his logs... the pages don't have that info logged, but it's in the logs for Brad to look up).
Basically, I think someone is pulling your leg. And, if not, I seriously doubt they can call "brad blog" an "illegal site".. in fact, I've never heard of an "illegal web site" in the context that a web-surfer has anything to worry about. Hell, Texas is home to Al Qaeda's website (I think it's Al Qaeda.. several terrorists websites, in any event).. If they were serious about the war on Terror and going after Al Qaeda, they'd not let them run their website on a Texas server.. *shrug*
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/21/2005 @ 1:49 pm PT...
RLM #25
You have been a target of a Mass Mailing Worm. The link will take you to Symantec where you can read all about it.
[snip] W32.Sober.X@mm is a mass-mailing worm that uses its own SMTP engine to spread. It sends itself as an email attachment to addresses gathered from the compromised computer. The email may be in either English or German.
... # From: [SPOOFED]
Subject:
One of the following:
# Your Password
# Registration Confirmation
# smtp mail failed
# Mail delivery failed
# hi, ive a new mail address
# You visit illegal websites
# Your IP was logged
# Paris Hilton & Nicole Richie
Message:
One of the following:
# ***** Go to: http://www.[DOMAIN NAME OF SENDER]
***** Email: postman
# hey its me, my old address dont work at time. i dont know why?!
in the last days ive got some mails. i' think thaz your mails but im not sure!
plz read and check ...
cyaaaaaaa
# Please answer our questions!
Steven Allison
Department Office Admin Mail Post
===dkX XbW6dxPbXWPdSDd@R2XL9)CW9)SRd?kx@?
===dt4OduXRRL062WR)Wd.2XRPX,dKa,dnSS1d4vvy
*** Washington, DC 20535
++++ Central Intelligence Agency -CIA-
++++ Office of Public Affairs
++++ Washington, D.C. 20505
++++ phone: (703) 482-0623
++++ 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., US Eastern time
# The Simple Life:
View Paris Hilton & Nicole Richie video clips , pictures & more
Download is free until Jan, 2006!
Please use our Download manager. [snip]
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/21/2005 @ 2:05 pm PT...
PS This was just discovered on November 19, so it's good for everybody to be on the lookout for these emails.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/21/2005 @ 2:32 pm PT...
By the way the phone number cited by Symantec --- (703) 482-0623 --- is actually a published CIA phone number and oddly enough is for addresses in both DC and Virginia.
CIA Director - Porter J. Goss
Washington, D.C. 20505
tel: 703-482-0623 fax: 703-482-1739
United States Government, Central Intelligence Agency - (703) 482-0623 - , Mc Lean, VA 22101
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 11/21/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Thanks to Kira, Brad, and everyone. I'm relieved it's not real.
Just to play safe, I forwarded the message to Congressman Christopher Shays. I also spoke to my next-door neighbor's son, who's a cop, and he said to report it to the local police if it happens a second time.
One question remains unanswered, though. How is it that a citizen can call the C.I.A. (the number is really theirs) and be told "the mailbox is full."????? There's a limit to how many calls they can receive?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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des
said on 11/21/2005 @ 5:40 pm PT...
#11 Castro, you're wrong again. here's the link to the official final report from the Meda Consortium. i realize it is unlikely that you will bother to educate yourself, but thanks for reminding us that facts are our friends!
i know it's feeding a troll, but i wanted to remind everybody where to go for the evidence, so as to avoid having to engage these puerile cretins. it doesn't seem like facts matter to them, but at least we can say we tried.
the report's methodology is sound, and includes a comparison of results using the disputed vote-counting methods being debated, all of which were ultimately killed by the SCOTUS.
https://web.archive.org/...0040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
page 7 has the table, but be sure to read further to see how the different legal strategies undertaken by each side turned out to be not in their best interests... which they would have discovered if a recount had been completed.
note that when all or most of the votes were ACTUALLY COUNTED, Gore won in all scenarios.
the report also indicates patterns important for election reform, which is a truly non-partisan issue that affects all of us, regardless of party affiliation or intelligence.
so now you know, Castro. the next time you use that canard that the majority of voters in Florida chose Bush, you will know that you are lying.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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castro
said on 11/21/2005 @ 7:30 pm PT...
Ah yes, the Keating Report. Do read the whole thing. Now when you're done with that, "learn a little law"(would be a great title for a country song). By the law your boy lost. If it makes you feel better, I am in favor of national voting standards. I still haven't gotten used to that aspect of the american way. xoxo.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 11/21/2005 @ 11:23 pm PT...
CIA and FBI
FBI Warns of E-Mail About Surveillance
Monday November 21, 2005 9:46 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Federal Bureau of Investigation issued an alert Monday about a scam involving unsolicited e-mails, purportedly sent by the FBI, that tell computer users that their Internet surfing is being monitored by the agency.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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513 Green PAC
said on 11/22/2005 @ 5:15 am PT...
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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chuck
said on 11/22/2005 @ 5:43 am PT...
in maine we use a number 2 pencil at the polls...bush was thrashed without even one recount...in both elections...
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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chuck
said on 11/22/2005 @ 5:44 am PT...
in maine we use a number 2 pencil at the polls...bush was thrashed without even one recount...in both elections...
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 11/22/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/22/2005 @ 10:00 am PT...
Here's what gives us credibility, and the rightwingers ZERO credibility:
WE want neither party stealing elections, and we want our votes to count, even if our party doesn't win.
THEY, the rightwingers, deny obvious fraud on electronic voting machines, and don't address the quotes of the makers of DIEBOLD, and the security lapses in DIEBOLD machines, because THEIR party is benefitting.
So, why is anyone trying to reason with these unreasonable, illogical people???
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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jennifer
said on 12/15/2005 @ 1:30 pm PT...