READER COMMENTS ON
"The Old In and Out..."
(121 Responses so far...)
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Dredd
said on 4/27/2005 @ 10:58 am PT...
Be safe and have a good time.
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Winter Patriot
said on 4/27/2005 @ 11:35 am PT...
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Torqued
said on 4/27/2005 @ 12:22 pm PT...
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Teresa
said on 4/27/2005 @ 3:05 pm PT...
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Joan
said on 4/27/2005 @ 8:05 pm PT...
Oooooh...super-secret missions...you're already pretty much living Mission Impossible...Brad vs. the Right-wing Goliath! I hope you're stocking up on slingshots...
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Cyteria
said on 4/27/2005 @ 9:01 pm PT...
One year ago, when the AbuGraib torture scandals came out, I sent a short commentary to the NYTimes about how the policy of torturing suspected terrorists was coming from the highest levels of goverment, viz. Donald Rumsfeld. My evidence was based on news reports from credible sources. Now, I realize how naive I was to believe the NYTimes would ever publish such info. Would you like to see my argument? Please tell me how to forward my article to you, and it's yours, to do with as you wish.
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save the world
said on 4/27/2005 @ 9:14 pm PT...
Bush has a press conference tomorrow night. The democracycellproject.net is having a party too. Here's the info:
Hey, everyone is invited on the blog and to the IRC tomorrow night for the Bush Press conference.
Should be a fun and interesting time!
We will be playing "Find the Hidden Frame" and "Spot the Lies" and the ever fun, "Which member of the media ISNT dead?".
Madam is in charge of the prizes, so I'm thinking Belgium chocolate for all.
So email your friends and drag yourself and your family (democrat or republican) and join the fun and learning at the Democracy Cell Project.
Do your 5 minutes of democracy, then click on the discuss tab and join the live chat or the blog or even the forum.
http://www.democracycellproject.net
Today is the first day to change our democracy. Don't wait until it's too late!
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Peg C
said on 4/27/2005 @ 10:28 pm PT...
Cyteria-
It's not "just" torture - it's torture of the torture-haters, by indifference. Passivity and indifference will subjugate us all. Keep you antennae up and your wits sharp!
This sludgy pudding being made of facts and insight must be waded through and cut with the incisive knife of truth.
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Teresa
said on 4/27/2005 @ 10:50 pm PT...
How about this?
>>The word has finally come down: David Griffin's incendiary but well-documented charges of Bush administration complicity in 9/11 have been scheduled for national telecast.! C-span will broadcast Griffin's talk "9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?" on Book TV (C-Span 2) this Saturday, April 30th, at 10:30 a.m. Eastern time. My C-Span contact said the talk will also be rebroadcast on Book TV on several weekends after that--check the C-Span website for times:
>>Griffin's electrifying talk was recorded Monday night, April 18th, in Madison, Wisconsin. If you missed this historic moment-- the biggest lecture hall at the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus overflowing with over 450 people who gave Griffin a thunderous standing ovation for charging the Bush-Cheney regime with orchestrating the 9/11 attacks--you'll have to see the video to believe it! And you won't believe the local media coverage either.
All over the country, people will be gathering for C-Span viewing parties--a new phenomenon for a network whose government coverage is usually comprised of more pedestrian fare. Some are already comparing this broadcast to the televised Watergate hearings in 1974, in which John Dean's charges against Richard Nixon ultimately brought down that corrupt, warmongering administration.
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Teresa
said on 4/27/2005 @ 11:04 pm PT...
Gotta love Madison, Wisconsin. Just like when I was there many years ago.
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Kira
said on 4/27/2005 @ 11:13 pm PT...
Thank you, thank you Teresa for posting that info regarding Griffin's talk on C-Span. A viewing party sounds like great fun! I'm so excited about this ... woo-hoo!
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DaWookie
said on 4/28/2005 @ 2:12 am PT...
The MSM put out the facts aabout the terrorism figures.
Errrr, does the BBC count as the MSM or are they too honest?
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Joan
said on 4/28/2005 @ 5:48 am PT...
#9
THANK YOU, Teresa! I'm sending your post to everyone I know (the ones that give a rat's ass...I know many who prefer to stay uninvolved)
But I must say...I'll believe it when I see it on the screen. Wasn't there a similar airing that was killed at the last minute?
(Damn! Sorry...let me get out the duct tape & gag the mouth of my rude, impertinent skepticism! It's screams sometimes wake the neighbors)
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Joan
said on 4/28/2005 @ 5:57 am PT...
hmmm...didn't need that apostrophe there...apologies to the grammar-police.
Note to Big Brother:
This comment of mine (#5)
"I hope you're stocking up on slingshots..."
was meant metaphorically only!! Please don't come & slap the cuffs on me.
btw, has anyone heard the story about Randi Rhodes being investigated "by the Secret Service" (according to Matt Drudge, apparently...) over a bit that aired on her show recently?
I'm wondering if she might need help or support of some kind......
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/28/2005 @ 8:02 am PT...
Great, Teresa. I'm notifying my entire network about the C-SPAN telecast.
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Dredd
said on 4/28/2005 @ 8:44 am PT...
Cyteria #6 Most of the folk here know that these were administration policies.
The torture memos of Gonzales/Bybee attest to that, as does the testimony of the scapegoats and sacrificial lambs in the trenches.
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Joan
said on 4/28/2005 @ 8:59 am PT...
From M Moore's website:
"April 27th, 2005 6:03 pm
U.S. Figures Show Sharp Global Rise In Terrorism
State Dept. Will Not Put Data in Report
By Susan B. Glasser / Washington Post
The number of serious international terrorist incidents more than tripled last year, according to U.S. government figures, a sharp upswing in deadly attacks that the State Department has decided not to make public in its annual report on terrorism due to Congress this week...."
I'm so thankful George has made us all safer!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Sherry
said on 4/28/2005 @ 10:03 am PT...
Wildly OT (Forgive the intrusion)
I am so excited!! My little hometown newspaper, The Daily Sentinel, printed my letter to the editor yesterday, April 27th!! They hardly ever print my letters! Never mind that the circulation is only 3, 900. It will still be read by at least three counties, Meigs-OH, Gallia- OH, and Mason-WV.
I am a little embarrassed that I plagiarized the elegant writing of a couple of other people to come up with this letter. I did omit some paragraphs, rearranged others, and added references to The Brad Blog. Thank you Vicki Dow of Crystal Lake. You did the hard work. And Dr. Sheila Leavitt, you will recognize a sentence straight out of your own mouth. Please forgive my impertinence. You both said it so much better than I could. Here is my letter exactly as they printed it.
I was appalled to read in last Friday's paper (April 15) that Ohio election boards are going to again use Diebold Voting Machines.
I believe, as do many others, that the countless election irregularities in Ohio, were not isolated “glitches,” but a peek at the visible results of largely hidden electronic fraud.
Wally O'Dell, CEO of Diebold Voting machines, publicly stated that he was committed to delivering Ohio's electoral votes to the President.
Four corporations connected to the Bush administration manufacture all the voting machines, a clear conflict of interest. And the software used to control the counting and reporting of votes is withheld from public scrutiny.
Everyone remembers the 2000 fiasco when the Supreme Court stopped the recount and awarded the presidency to George W. Bush.
But many may not be aware of increasing evidence of tampered results in the 2004 presidential election.
Bush reportedly won the election by 2.5 percent, while the exit polls showed Kerry winning by 3 percent.
A panel of statisticians found that the odds of such a discrepancy between the exit polls and the results occurring naturally were close to a million to one.
In other words, it couldn't have happened.
Experts using voting machines demonstrated for Congress how a lone hacker could skew a precinct's results by 100,000 votes without leaving a trace.
Then, there is the complicated story of Florida computer programmer Clint Curtis, who recently passed a lie-detector test on his claim that he was asked by Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., a Bush family friend, to design an undetectable program for flipping touch-screen votes, which he did.
Brad Friedman first reported the Clint Curtis story at https://bradblog.com/ClintCurtisSummary.htm, but a few newspapers in Florida , including The Seminole Chronicle, Oviedo Voice, St. Petersburg Times, and New Times Broward Palm-Beach, also picked it up.
The sins of the Bush administration are many, but the most damaging likely is the loss of confidence in the integrity of our elections.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 4/28/2005 @ 10:22 am PT...
Teresa -
Thanks for the heads-up. I'm like Joan, though: I'll keep my fingers crossed 'til Saturday morning!
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Joan
said on 4/28/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
Good letter, Sherry! I hope people keep writing...and emailing...and faxing...
which I realize is alot to ask, seeing as how there are only 6 or 7 of us.
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jIM cIRILE
said on 4/28/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
Great work, Sherry!
Everyone check out "What Can We the People Do About Election Fraud?" the latest article by By Ernest Partridge, on www.democraticunderground.com.
I have to admit I've been slacking lately, but it's time for a fresh round of letters to left-leaning MSM journalists like Jonathan Alter at Newsweek, etc.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 12:02 pm PT...
Hey Kira!
I'm getting a good feeling. And today the stage was set for the end of Tom DeLay with the reversal of the ethics rule. Big news. He will be be investigated.
But this Griffin thing is tops.
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Torqued
said on 4/28/2005 @ 12:49 pm PT...
Teresa #9 --
Thanks for the heads up! Coincidentally, Winter Patriot has a great Sibel Edmonds piece on his Blog referencing this Tom Flocco.com Appeals Court hearing article. It's a must read for everyone.
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Sherry
said on 4/28/2005 @ 12:54 pm PT...
Thanks so much joan and jIM cIRILE for your kind comments on my letter. Blush Blush. [I would have put a blushing emoticon here, but I don't know how to work those things.]
I glean so much collective wisdom from all of you, and don't have nearly enough time to thank you all as much as I'd like. I feel like I know everyone who posts here personally.
I have this deep down gut feeling that this rogue administration is going to melt down very very soon!! Covering up so many lies is hard work. And, we know how GW feels about hard work. [I would like to put a laughing emoticon here, but I'll settle for hee hee.]
jIM cIRILE, I checked out the article by Ernest Partridge. WOW! I especially liked the way he described the seller, the customer, and the product regarding the MSM. He was also concerned with the lack of books being written, saying, "Effective political movements have a supporting literature."
I wrote him a quick note, providing him the bradblog link to Bob Fitrakis and The Columbus Free Press, so he would know there is at least one person working on a book.
Teresa #9 - Great news!! The Bush regime involvement in 911 is something I have been convinced of for a very long time, because of the Twin Towers debris hauled quickly away before investigators could examine it, not to mention how smoothly the towers came down, which suggests controlled demolition.
We are going to see heads role very soon!! Oops! I met that metaphorically of course, as Joan # 15 did. That was hilarious, Joan!
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Larisa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 1:06 pm PT...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 4/28/2005 @ 2:03 pm PT...
Larisa #25 --
This demockracy we are victims of is getting ugly huh? Five year olds routinely behave better...
The crap just keeps coming at an increasing rate and thanks for all you do to inform!
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Winter Patriot
said on 4/28/2005 @ 2:11 pm PT...
Yeah, what Torqued just said.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 2:44 pm PT...
What I find most heartening is that Griffin doesn't suggest. Apparently he accuses in no uncertain terms. This will be in the waves and ethers. So all of our collective energy will help disperse it.
Let's do it.
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teresa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 3:19 pm PT...
Here is a link to the articles written about the Griffin thing:
911 exposed
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Torqued
said on 4/28/2005 @ 4:22 pm PT...
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Torqued
said on 4/28/2005 @ 4:33 pm PT...
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Dredd
said on 4/28/2005 @ 5:39 pm PT...
Remember all that "love" bu$hit and the gang had for Terri S when they wanted to DeLay her peace?
The reality that keeps on ticking is that the bu$hit law keeps on killing. In this case (link here), under the law bu$hit signed, the doctors can pull the plug when the funds run out.
Note that when the money runs out the chances of survival go way down for these "no child left behind" little ones.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 4/28/2005 @ 5:52 pm PT...
Sherry's letter (#19) and Winter Patriot's blog article (see #23) are awesome because they focus us.
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Larisa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 6:22 pm PT...
Thanks guys, I think I need to just drop and sleep for a long time. It has been a rough week of non-stop work.
Oh, fyi we are looking for one editorial researcher to the managing editor and one freelance writer ... just fyi... oh, update on Real ID, we bought ourselves one week, so get busy all. This is really Patriot Act III
Am running fever again, so hugs and night night (oh, and someone ended up posting my photo in DU, so there).
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 4/28/2005 @ 6:26 pm PT...
Larisa #34
Peace and rest.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 4/28/2005 @ 6:50 pm PT...
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Peggy
said on 4/28/2005 @ 6:58 pm PT...
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Teresa
said on 4/28/2005 @ 11:56 pm PT...
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Peggy
said on 4/29/2005 @ 4:04 am PT...
Thanks, Teresa. How interesting!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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Glenn McGahee
said on 4/29/2005 @ 6:40 am PT...
I read The Brad Blog daily and have sent the link to it all around, to my friends, relatives, etc.
I wish that we could have bumper stickers created to the effect - Read; "WWW.Bradblog.com"
I've seen many bumper stickers like that and have looked them up just out of curiosity. They could be sold here and that may be a fundraiser for Brad and also get the word out to strangers who would otherwise never get here. Maybe there is already such a thing. I've thought of creating something like it just for my truck, even painting onto my tailgate.
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Winter Patriot
said on 4/29/2005 @ 7:57 am PT...
That's a good idea Glenn. I'll make sure Brad sees it --- and maybe when he gets back from his road trip he might be able to do something about it it. In the meantime, if you paint it on your tailgate, I won't object, and I don't imagine Brad will either! Now there's some true guerilla marketing!
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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Joan
said on 4/29/2005 @ 10:13 am PT...
#s 40 & 41
I' ve been thinking along those lines too. Was planning to make a bumper sticker 'bradblog.com' with the help of Kinko's, just haven't done it yet. I do have the sign I made for the rally I went to this past Wednesday...it says 'Get the Truth...Bradblog.com', but it's not doing much good in the trunk of my car.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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Hellbender
said on 4/29/2005 @ 10:20 am PT...
Nightline had a show that compared the press in the US and UK. Our press core is a bunch of wimps. In England they actually grill their politicians instead of brownnosing with them.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/29/2005 @ 10:55 am PT...
This guy Wycliff at the Chicago Tribune is a gem. I sent him a critical letter, beginning it with "You couldn't be more wrong if you said the Earth was flat."
He actually answered me (in a manner of speaking). His full reply was the following: "You mean the Earth isn't flat?" Ha ha ha ha. This man writes like a 12-year-old child, and he's the public's voice at the Chicago Tribune. Good Lord!
I sent Wycliff a second message, reminding him that the Tribune published his rebuttal of an article it hadn't seen fit to print in the first place. Hardly objective journalism...not point and counterpoint, just counterpoint. I said it reminded me of Pravda during the Cold War, a media oligarchy at the mercy of the government.
Edward R. Murrow is revolving in his grave.
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Dredd
said on 4/29/2005 @ 12:44 pm PT...
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/29/2005 @ 1:18 pm PT...
Dredd - in case you don't revisit this thread, I left a comment in reply to yours here:
Kira reply to Dredd
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jIM cIRILE
said on 4/29/2005 @ 4:32 pm PT...
Yeah, where ARE the bradblog bumper stickers?
I currently have the Bush Cheated '04 bumper sticker from redefeatbush.com on my car --- a fantastic sticker that looks like the Bush campaign logo. It gets a lot of second looks. I bought some magnetic bumper sticker material so it wouldn't ruin my new Scion.
Unfortunately the Velvet Revolution stickers are no good--too hard to read.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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Joan
said on 4/29/2005 @ 7:13 pm PT...
Yeah...bradblog bumper stickers! I'd buy some. I have some good ones on my car, my favorite being a picture of W with the caption "Like a rock, only dumber".
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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kansasblue
said on 4/29/2005 @ 7:17 pm PT...
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Steve
said on 4/29/2005 @ 9:14 pm PT...
Joan #48-
LOL! You are on a roll.
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Winter Patriot
said on 4/29/2005 @ 10:22 pm PT...
yeah, what Steve said (#50)
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Kira
said on 4/30/2005 @ 1:14 am PT...
OT Alert!!
Strip Searched Teachers Sue Over Arrest at Bush Campaign Rally
...."McCabe and Nelson — described in the lawsuit as political novices motivated by their opposition to Bush administration policies in Iraq — attended the rally at a city park, where McCabe held a sheet of paper urging, "No More War," and Nelson wore a John Kerry button.
The questions must be asked… What is so threatening about a “No More War” sign or a Kerry button? Have these free speech items been deemed deadly weapons? Are they considered illegal contraband?"
*more
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Kira
said on 4/30/2005 @ 1:55 am PT...
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Torqued
said on 4/30/2005 @ 2:17 am PT...
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Torqued
said on 4/30/2005 @ 2:33 am PT...
Holy cow, what a letter Kira. Dam. Maybe we should all write a letter like that... let it all out, put it all back in writing and shove it up their asses on capital hill.
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Winter Patriot
said on 4/30/2005 @ 8:46 am PT...
Thanks for #54, Torqued. I can't fix it myself but maybe Brad can ... Thanks for #53 from Kira ... have I mentioned lately that you guys rock?
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/30/2005 @ 1:08 pm PT...
If even one out of ten family members of a 9/11 victim saw the Griffin speech on C-SPAN (or heard about it from a friend), I would expect an eruption.
Again, for those who missed it, he was especially effective when talking about the twin towers (THEY COULD NOT HAVE COLLAPSED AND REDUCED TO ASHES SIMPLY BECAUSE OF CONTACT FROM AN AIRPLANE, OR FROM A FIRE), and almost as convincing in saying Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon.
The media can and do ignore "conspiracy theories," but I'm hard-pressed to imagine how they can ignore the 9/11 survivors at this point. It's a great opportunity for us to double our efforts with our friends (sic) at the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, CBS, and even at Fox.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Fox will be the first to aggressively go after Bush on the 9/11 story. Murdoch is a right-wing ideologue, but he's also a muckraker at heart...really, William Randolph Hearst with an Aussie accent. Rather than let a "liberal" paper or network break it, once he's convinced the story will come out anyway I think Fox will be all over it like a moth on a flame. And Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity will tell us they knew it all along. Oh, for the day.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/1/2005 @ 2:11 am PT...
re #57: Thanks, Robert. and as usual you make a lot of sense.
re #58: Awwww! You're too sweet!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 5/1/2005 @ 2:22 am PT...
I got this e-mail tonight:
If you saw the program, "David Ray Griffin: The 9/11 Commission Report - Distortions & Omissions - How Should Religious People Respond?" Saturday morning on C-Span 2 (Bookspan), you may have found yourself in a daze afterwards, deeply moved and shocked. Welcome to the club.
The evidence, the questions, the probable answers... are too compelling to ignore, and the apparent conclusions far more disturbing than I had allowed myself to acknowledge.
That such a crucial presentation could only be seen on an obscure TV channel and at a time when few people are watching seems criminal.
This material could foment serious change in this country if given enough exposure.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:23 am PT...
Hi fellow BradBloggers!
Have you all received your automated email "bedbug" responses to the letters 6 or 7 of you sent to Dr Robert Pastor.
Here was my brief and direct question to the good Doctor:
Dear Dr. Pastor,
Are you able to assist me in confirming the name(s) of the person(s) responsible for initiating the Baker/Carter National Election Reform Commission of which I understand you are the Executive Director?
Yours Faithfully,
[name]
Melbourne, Australia.
....and the auto-response!
Dear Mr. [name],
Thank you for your recent comments about the need for election reform. The Commission on Federal Election Reform was established to achieve that goal.
Common Cause (www.commoncause.org) and the Election Protection Coalition (www.electionprotection2004.com) registered hundreds of thousands of complaints related to the 2004 presidential election. Public confidence in the electoral process is low, and reform is needed. This was underscored by a meeting convened by the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights and other groups in December 2004. I was invited to testify and remained for the entire day. The audience was deeply concerned about the state of the electoral process, and many advocated change.
After the hearing, I spoke with President Carter, who said he would favor establishing a panel to examine U.S. election reform. As you may know, he co-chaired a Commission with President Gerald Ford in 2001 that made recommendations that led to the Help American Vote Act (HAVA). I worked with both of them on that Commission and, indeed, worked with President Carter on election-monitoring projects for seventeen years at The Carter Center. As President Gerald Ford was not able to Co-Chair this panel, we consulted with Republican leaders who spoke with President Bush. They proposed former Secretary of State James A. Baker, III. President Carter has worked with Mr. Baker many times and is extremely pleased to work with him again. With such highly-respected Co-Chairs, we expect that Congress will take our recommendations seriously.
We solicited suggestions for other members of the Commission from a wide range of groups, and the Co-Chairs selected the members. It is comprised in roughly equal numbers among people who have served or were elected as Republicans and Democrats (though none are incumbents), and roughly one-third as non-partisan leaders. We understand the objections that some people have regarding individuals on the Commission, but we believe that the best way to promote real reform is to do so through a group that has broad credibility in Congress. You can read the bios of the members at www.american.edu/Carter-Baker. The Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University is organizing the Commission with the support of the Carnegie Corporation, the Ford Foundation, and the Knight Foundation.
Our current challenge is to look beyond the partisan perspectives and fashion proposals that address the problems in a practical, democratic, and effective manner. We would greatly appreciate your ideas as we carry out this work. Please send them to cdem@american.edu, or mail them to 3201 New Mexico Avenue, Suite 265, Washington, DC, 20016.
Sincerely,
Dr. Robert Pastor
Executive Director,
Commission on Federal Election Reform
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This response, I believe confirms a fear expressed previously by a BradBlogger (sorry I can't recall who!) that our letters would likely disappear into a mail server, locked away in a dark room in the American University.
THE GOOD (FOR NOTHING) DOCTOR IS NOT LISTENING!
Note: Nicole Byrd is the sender
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:37 am PT...
Good morning everyone!
If anyone's interested, you can purchase the DVD of David Griffin's speech shown on C-Span yesterday, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" here:
http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.php
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/1/2005 @ 8:00 am PT...
Some interesting stuff out of the UK!
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The secret Downing Street memo - Sunday Times May 1st 2005
SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
To: DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02
cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell
IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY
Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.
John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.
The two broad US options were:
(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).
(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.
The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:
(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.
(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.
(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.
The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.
The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.
The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.
The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.
On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.
For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.
The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.
John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.
The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.
Conclusions:
(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.
(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.
(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.
(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.
He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.
(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.
(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.
(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)
MATTHEW RYCROFT
(Rycroft was a Downing Street foreign policy aide)
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/1/2005 @ 11:30 am PT...
#63 : restores your faith in humanity, doesn't it?
"The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work."
uhhh .... that just about says it all, does it not?
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Alison
said on 5/1/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/1/2005 @ 11:57 am PT...
Bushw@cker #61
This response, I believe confirms a fear expressed previously by a BradBlogger (sorry I can't recall who!) that our letters would likely disappear into a mail server, locked away in a dark room in the American University.
THE GOOD (FOR NOTHING) DOCTOR IS NOT LISTENING!
Note: Nicole Byrd is the sender
That was my earlier post. I had sincere doubts that our letters would receive any real scrutiny and I felt sure they wanted to keep our massive efforts out of their hair.
Maybe we should just go back to using the original email address and phone calls!!! Damn 'em.
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Kira
said on 5/1/2005 @ 12:39 pm PT...
Winter Patriot #56
And as usual, too!!!
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Kira
said on 5/1/2005 @ 1:18 pm PT...
Alison #65
OMG!! What were they doing????
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/1/2005 @ 5:08 pm PT...
Alison #65
KIRA #67
This image shows GW being "groomed" for a one on one press briefing with James Guckert/Gannon!
I didn't know the white house employed male "fluffers"?
KIRA #66
"Maybe we should just go back to using the original email address and phone calls!!! Damn 'em."
The auto-email sent by Nicole Byrd was received 30/04, so yes, Dr Pastor is delivering on his phone promise to Brad "they are not going to be listened to."
Wonder If they sent John Conyers the same response?
KIRA, You're right! I think he's laughing at us right now, and unless Brad has heard anything to the contrary via JC, it may be time to take the gloves off again!
Are there 6 or 7 streetfighters in our midst?
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/1/2005 @ 5:54 pm PT...
Winter #64
Yes Winter, makes the blood boil to think that LIES and DECEIT are going to be the big winners in the UK Election next weekend!
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Peggy
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:20 pm PT...
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
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Peggy
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:22 pm PT...
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Peggy
said on 5/1/2005 @ 6:25 pm PT...
If Blair gets turfed, it will weaken Georgie Porgie. Hope Blair goes down in flames!
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/1/2005 @ 7:13 pm PT...
I read today that Maggie Thatcher had passed legislation making cooperation with the American president mandatory - and that British powers were not at all happy about it in '02. What an amazingly unpatriotic thing for her to push through! How scummy and conniving! Of course, she and Ronnie were best buddies...
Here it is:
"All the discussion on the Iraq war is essentially a diversion. There is a secret clause in the Trident submarine treaty that was signed by Mrs Thatcher in 1983. The secret clause states that the British Prime Minister is required to go to war if he/she gets the order from the President of the United States. You will appreciate that this information explains a lot, notably why Blair has repeatedly gone to war, but only when required to by the Americans. It also explains why Blair is so different from his Labour predecessors, such as Harold Wilson, who refused to send our troops to Vietnam in 1968. The secret agreement was designed by Thatcher to secretly tie the hands of British Prime Ministers for many years to come. Without naming sources, I received this information from a British Army officer a couple of years ago."
Link here.
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 5/1/2005 @ 10:21 pm PT...
Peg C #74
BASTARDS
Quote from your link:
The Nuremberg Tribunal declared:
"To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/2/2005 @ 6:57 am PT...
You're welcome PEG C!
Thanks in turn for your fascinating revelation concerning The Iron Lady's and Ronnie Raygun's clandestine agreement!
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/2/2005 @ 7:12 am PT...
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/2/2005 @ 10:34 am PT...
Bushw@cker -
"Too liberal" as in too intelligent, well-read and well-informed? And we all thought the word "public" meant "public!" Now we know that EVERTHING has an asterisk and a qualifying footnote*
*Subject to bushocratic oversight and approval.
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/2/2005 @ 12:43 pm PT...
Go here to sign the petition and find out more about the attack on PBS:
Free Press
Save PBS from partisan operatives
Kenneth Tomlinson, the Republican chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) --- the government-funded organization that was designed to shield PBS from political pressure --- is aggressively pressing PBS to correct what he considers "liberal bias."
This top-down partisan meddling goes against the very nature of PBS and the local stations we trust. Let the people speak and decide the future of PBS, not secret dealings by White House operatives.
Sign this petition to demand that Congress, the CPB and PBS station managers remove Tomlinson and support town meetings in your community on the future of PBS.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/2/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
This New Yorker Article from June of 2004 is excellent:
New Yorker
BIG BIRD FLIES RIGHT
by KEN AULETTA
How Republicans learned to love PBS.
*read article using link above*
AND --
The Daily Outrage
..."Ironically, the CPB was created to shield PBS from political pressure, just as PBS was intended to address the "needs of unserved and underserved audiences." One can hardly argue that the WSJ edit page or Tucker Carlson fit into that category. "To find the same combination of conviction, partisanship and ideological extremism on the far left," wrote my colleague Eric Alterman, "A network would need to convene a 'roundtable' featuring Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Vanessa Redgrave and Fidel Castro."
These days, PBS is more likely to give James Dobson his own special on religion."
*MORE*
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/2/2005 @ 2:32 pm PT...
Kira -
Will the warping of this country's structure never cease?! It's as if EVERYTHING we thought we knew the looks of is now a reflection in a fun-house mirror.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/2/2005 @ 2:53 pm PT...
Yeah, but it's not so "fun," is it. *sigh*
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." ~ John F. Kennedy
"We must complain. Yes, plain, blunt complaint, ceaseless agitation, unfailing exposure of dishonesty and wrong - this is the ancient, unerring way to liberty and we must follow it." ~ W. E. B. Dubois
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/2/2005 @ 6:27 pm PT...
CAROL TOWARNICKY [REAL JOURNALIST] TAKE A BOW!
Carol Towarnicky chief editorial writer of the Philly News has written a searing article here, (requires registration) about GANNONGATE, but more importantly about her fellow MSM
Journalists and their lack of professional curiosity in a story broken by bloggers.
Carol's piece has it all, with the only exception that she didn't provide attributions for the Blogs responsible for the Gannon / Guckert Story.
Posted on Mon, May. 02, 2005
The press takes a pass on 'Jeff Gannon'
By Carol Towarnicky
towarnc@phillynews.com
IF A REPORTER who doubled as a gay hooker had visited the Clinton White House nearly 200 times, think it would have made the news?
If "Jeff Gannon"/James D. Guckert had been unveiled, so to speak, as a liberal imposter who lobbed softball questions at Clinton administration press briefings, he would be as infamous as Michael Schiavo.
And if 39 of those White House visits were mysteriously unrelated to his "reporting" duties, imagine what innuendoes would be issuing forth from Planet Limbaugh. Imagine the organized phone call campaign demanding newspapers and TV stations report the story.
But Gannon/Guckert isn't being unveiled or innuendoed or even blipped on media radar screens, even among liberals.
Last Sunday was the third time in recent weeks that I came across hyper-informed liberals who have not heard the first thing about Guckert, who used the name "Jeff Gannon" to pose as a newsman from a Web site that was in reality a Republican Party front. Gannon advertised his second job as a male escort on Web sites complete with full frontal photos.
For months, Gannon/Guckert asked obviously biased questions at press briefings. He was conveniently ready when Bush spokesman Scott McClellan was being pressed too hard by reporters. Apparently none of those reporters ever thought to check out the obvious ringer in their midst. It was only when Gannon asked one of his trademark questions at a nationally televised presidential press conference in February that some bloggers noticed.
It didn't take much digging for them to uncover Gannon's not-so-secret identity and ask the obvious: Did the Secret Service have this information? Did the White House? But the story went nowhere then and is going nowhere now.
Just last week, a Freedom of Information Act search requested by two members of Congress revealed that Gannon/Guckert visited the White House 196 times - 39 of them days when there were no press briefings. While liberal blogs made much of the news, a Nexis search found that the Associated Press gave it only three paragraphs, which were picked up by only two newspapers nationwide. CNN mentioned the story only to say that the blogs had it. On MSNBC's "Countdown," Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank offered excuses for the 14 times that Gannon/Guckert's entries or exits weren't recorded by White House security and host Keith Olbermann seemed apologetic for bringing it up.
If reporters aren't worried about imposter journalists, at least they should smell a good story in a possible White House security breach.
With an explosion of media, much of it partisan, the role of actual journalism becomes even more critical. Yet the bright line between news and fair comment on one hand versus manipulation and propaganda on the other has all but disappeared.
Of course, Gannon/Guckert was only the most flamboyant of phony journalists to grace our airwaves in recent months: There are the paid hacks who got government money to laud government programs in their columns; there were the government video news releases made to look like actual TV reports - and which were run on many smaller stations.
Journalists get hopping-mad if CIA agents masquerade as reporters in war zones - it puts them at high risk. Yet these same journalists seem almost blasé at the assault on truth zones every day at the White House, on Capitol Hill and on a TV screen near you.
At a time when the radicals of the right, aided by the White House, seek to eviscerate constitutional protections, the news media have found a curious way to protect the First Amendment: Don't worry that Congress will abridge freedom of the press; The press will do the job of abridging itself all on its own.
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Carol Towarnicky is the chief editorial writer of the Daily News. E-mail towarnc@phillynews.com.
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I wonder If Carol would be be prepared to be interviewed on The Brad Show?
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P.S. I think Larisa Alexandrovna and the good folk at Raw Story will be thrilled to pieces with this!
Well done guys.....lead on!
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/2/2005 @ 6:50 pm PT...
Winter,
I'm sure upon reading CAROL TOWARNICKY's piece, you will be picking up the red phone on your desk to call Brad!
P.S. I'm tingling with excitement, in fact I believe my left nipple just exploded!
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/2/2005 @ 7:50 pm PT...
What a great find, Bushw@cker! The Old In and Out, indeed!
PS per #84's PS --- the Python boys would be proud.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/2/2005 @ 8:01 pm PT...
G'day KIRA!
I should say, I found CAROL TOWARNICKY's piece on Mike Moore's site!
I think Carol has done a sensational job with her article!
Oh KIRA, you make me want to bounce up and down on my spring!
Love it!!!
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/2/2005 @ 8:28 pm PT...
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/2/2005 @ 9:02 pm PT...
John Conyers does it again!!!
"Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) is circulating a letter calling for a further inquiry into a secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq...
"In a statement, Conyers says he is disappointed the mainstream media has not touched the revelations.
"Unfortunately, the mainstream media in the United States was too busy with wall-to-wall coverage of a "runaway bride" to cover a bombshell report out of the British newspapers," Conyers writes."
Link here to comments and letter.
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 5/2/2005 @ 9:18 pm PT...
Bushw@cker good spotting again.
Also from Peg C's link:
#
"All the discussion on the Iraq war is essentially a diversion. There is a secret clause in the Trident submarine treaty that was signed by Mrs Thatcher in 1983. The secret clause states that the British Prime Minister is required to go to war if he/she gets the order from the President of the United States. You will appreciate that this information explains a lot, notably why Blair has repeatedly gone to war, but only when required to by the Americans. It also explains why Blair is so different from his Labour predecessors, such as Harold Wilson, who refused to send our troops to Vietnam in 1968. The secret agreement was designed by Thatcher to secretly tie the hands of British Prime Ministers for many years to come. Without naming sources, I received this information from a British Army officer a couple of years ago."
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/
Whats the odds on this being true ,if so does the "old country" have a similar "secret clause"?
How could you "give the keys" for your country to anybody else and still be democratic.If this is true (?) there should be people rioting in the streets in England (over something other than football).
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 5/2/2005 @ 9:26 pm PT...
Gough Whitlam was booty by GG 1975 Fraser to start of 1983,makes ya think.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 5/2/2005 @ 9:26 pm PT...
Gough Whitlam was booted by GG 1975 Fraser to start of 1983,makes ya think.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/2/2005 @ 9:32 pm PT...
Guys - read this absolutely stunning letter from John Conyers to B*** re the 2002 war planning session right here!
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
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Shadowtwinchaos
said on 5/3/2005 @ 7:38 am PT...
Wow, I turn my back for a week and I miss it all. :p Good stuff here. I see cracks in the mighty dam.
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
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thecoolmacdude
said on 5/3/2005 @ 8:45 am PT...
I responded to Nicole Byrd's e-mail address saying that there's no way we're going to get election reform if it was filled with right-wing Republicans. Here's what I got in response:
It's not just Republicans, the Commission is pretty well balanced between Right and Left. I understand that there are objections to some of the inclusions, but if there is any hope of getting the Hill's attention we have to have folks who appeal equally to different ideological factions. I hope you understand our position and will judge the Commission ultimately by the recommendations it proposes.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/3/2005 @ 1:36 pm PT...
This thread "The Old In and Out" makes me want to "Out" Pat Robertson for being a Total NUTCASE!!
Follow this link to Crooks & Liars to see it "caught on tape!!!"
... "If anyone was still wondering whether Pat Robertson is nuts - take a look at some of the things he said this morning on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” (And these don't include his allegations that Judge Ginsberg is a Communist!) *more*
Then, if you really want to know all about PR, the fanatical R-Wingnut fundaMENTAList Dominionists & their power-connection directly to the Oval Ofc., I encourage you to read some of the many works of Katherine Yurica (who has studied Robertson extensively.) Here are a couple:
The Despoiling of America
"How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State"
And ---
Excerpts from the New Messiahs
"Editor’s note: The New Messiahs by Katherine Yurica is based on 1,300 pages of actual transcripts of Pat Robertson’s television show, The 700 Club recorded for several years in the early 1980’s. Most of the excerpts came from shows broadcast in 1984-86. In 1987 the author conducted a study in response to informal inquiries from the staff of the Subcommittee on Oversight of the House Ways and Means Committee of the U.S. House of Representives, which was investigating whether television and radio ministries were violating their tax-exempt status by conducting grass roots political appeals, endorsing candidates, and making political expenditures as defined under Section 527 of the IRS code. The Subcommittee on Oversight published the author’s study in Federal Tax Rules Applicable to Tax-Exempt Organizations Involving Television Ministries on October 6, 1987, Serial 100-43. (Published in 1988.)
The New Messiahs is almost twenty years old, but it rings with current authenticity. The transcribed words are evidence of a plan to take over the government of the United States. This is not a “conspiracy theory”; it is the recording of the actual conspiracy—the actual plans of how a group of ambitious religious leaders became purveyors of a new and secular fundamentalism whose political beliefs are now being enacted to the detriment of all Americans. The religious right’s plan for you includes: the burning of all J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter books; the denial of your right to choose an abortion if it becomes necessary in your life—even to save your life; the revamping of the U.S. Constitution; and the denial of your right to choose what you see, hear and read in the media.
At the last revision of The New Messiahs in 1999-2000, the largest network in the world was neither CBS, NBC nor ABC nor all three together. It was TBN, the Trinity Broadcasting Network, owned by Paul Crouch, (a member of John Ashcroft’s church, the Assembly of God). By 1999, TBN fed 406 TBN and affiliate TV stations in America, 4,886 cable systems and an estimated 10 million home satellite dishes. In addition they had a total of 346 foreign stations on the air and Crouch was only one satellite away from total live global coverage!"
*more*
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/3/2005 @ 4:08 pm PT...
This is not a “conspiracy theory”; it is the recording of the actual conspiracy!
Yup!
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
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Joan
said on 5/3/2005 @ 7:29 pm PT...
Wow. My head is exploding. After the male whore cavorting in the White House, the secret memo, the Margaret Thatcher/Ronald Reagan tryst (eeew!), the two 50-ish schoolteachers being strip-searched (*gulp* I've gotta teach tomorrow! and I've got a 'Peace is Patriotic' button in PLAIN VIEW on my dashboard!uh-oh...), the right-wing takeover of PBS.....I really needed that picture, Alison!! Thank you! LMAO!! Now about tomorrow...I hope somebody has bail money...
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
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daveK
said on 5/3/2005 @ 7:56 pm PT...
Thank you Kira, the description of the Dominionist movement that is outlined in your post and the links, is entirely consistent with what is happening in a highly organized fashion apparently. Goes right along with the prevalent belief among so many Christians that we don't have to worry about deficts, global warming, the environment, energy conservation or anything long term because Armageddon is coming anyway and all the right wing Christians will be whisked away. The Christian Jihaddists are in full swing, tell themselves God is on their side and we have nothing nearly so organized to combat it. HELP!
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/3/2005 @ 8:20 pm PT...
The Yurica Report has supplied me with nightmares, really colorful ones, since November.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
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oncall
said on 5/3/2005 @ 8:40 pm PT...
Important post from Democracycellproject.net:
ALL of these domestic items are placeholders. As long as the Republicans keep the national political conversation focused on domestic issues, the Republicans are perfectly positioned to stomp/tromp/romp over the Democrats again in 2006.
Why? Because the Democrats, being on the defensive on domestic issues, are not devoting a single minute to developing a homeland security/national security agenda.
And guess what trumps everything else at the polls? Security.
So the Republicans will be happy to talk about domestic issues until the cows come home, about the end of August 2006, when the Democrats will be surprised (not again....although Charlie Brown never learned anything either) when the Republicans suddenly pivot onto security issues and the Democratic candidates are left floundering in the dust (of Iraq, etc.)
After watching this pathetic routine for several election cycles--this pretending that if we just ignore security, somehow it will go away, like the wonderful vote for the war in the fall of 2002--I wonder if anyone in the Democratic Party will ever wake up.
Any polll that you look at will tell you that while Democrats lead Republicans on a wide range of domestic issues, there is simply no contest on security. The Republicans lead by double digits.
It's not like it's rocket science to come up with some of the baby steps towards a credible security policy, starting with homeland security.
Why do we not hear Democratic members of Congress standing up on the floor and saying, Why are the Republicans wasting our time here on the floor blathering about a phony plan to privitize Social Security when they should be telling us how they are going to protect our country from terrorists?
Why aren't we talking about why, more than 3 years after 9/11, a government panel reports that we have done almost nothing to prepare for the explosion of a terrorist nuclear weapon in one of our cities, even though we know that proper preparation could save hundreds of thousands of lives in the event such a calamity occurred?
Why has Bush failed to come up with a policy to keep toxic railroad tank cars out of our big cities? And when the District of Columbia had the temerity to pass a local law banning these toxic tank cars, why did Bush (and the CSX Railroad) take the city to court to overturn the law? (The district judge upheld the law after noting that Bush's lawyers had failed to present any evidence that the federal government had taken any steps to deal with this hazard.)
Leaving aside the terrible set of questions about why we invaded Iraq in the first place, why has no one been held accountable for sending our troops to Iraq without adequate body armor and unarmored death-trap vehicles?
And why, despite all the evidence that has come to light, leading straight up the chain of command to Donald Rumsfeld and our disgusting excuse for an attorney general--a man who authorized torture in violation of international law--why have only the lowliest soldiers been scapegoated for Abu Ghraib, while all of their superiors are walking free?
Why did President Bush decide to give George Tennant--Mr. "slam dunk"--the Presidential Medal of Freedom after Tennant presided over the greatest intelligence failure in U.S. history? (Some people complained after Tennant's award that Bush's action degraded the meaning of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. But I have not heard of a single recipient of the PMOF returning the medal in protest.)
Almost every day, we learn something new about the ACTIONS of the Bush administration (not the WORDS) that shows that Bush has failed to take even the most rudimentary steps to protect Americans at home, or to protect the very bodies of our troops whom he has so casually thrown into harm's way.
There's no shortage of ways Democrats could tear Bush apart on security issues, and put forward positive plans for action.
Will it ever happen?
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/3/2005 @ 10:00 pm PT...
Oncall #100
All of your points are great, but what about the electronic voting machines/tabulators? No matter how we vote - our votes are lost into the ethernet.
And, if we vote on paperless DREs we there is no way to audit (check or recount) the votes.
Diebold (Republican owned & operated - you certainly know the story) makes many other machines such as ATMs. The only machine they make that does not give a paper receipt is their voting machine. There is only 1 reason for this and I think we all know the answer.
We have never been in this kind of situation before in the history of voting where hundreds of thousands of votes could be manipulated by a very few people, without leaving any trace.
So - until we change this one most important issue - it doesn't matter what the candidate's platform is.
IMHO
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/4/2005 @ 4:57 am PT...
Re: Oncall #100 --
" There's no shortage of ways Democrats could tear Bush apart on security issues, and put forward positive plans for action.
Will it ever happen?"
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No, I hope not. It is in the best interests of all Americans and the entire worlds Peoples, that political opposition remain somewhat weak. I think the democrats are perfectly positioned to stumble along down with the rubble of the right. And I want them to.
WTF, you say? Let me explain my position, then I'll welcome any and all dissenting views. I'm only disagreeing where the blame lies and how our governments will ultimately be mended.
The bush administration is not entirely to blame for all our present problems, nor is the Opposition to blame for allowing them. The bush regime is just taking every possible advantage to exploit what is, and was already flawed when it was able to steal the 2000 election. Was it not inevitable? Given the ease at which the radical right has stolen elections and taken full control of three branches of government, and now threatens the entire Planet and it's Peoples? They are the product, not the cause. And as often is said, we ain't seen nuthin' yet!
We have been on this destructive course for many, many, years (arguably since the very beginning!) and neither the political left, nor political right, can (or should) correct it. At the heart of the problem is, we haven't leadership bound to the will of the people, as is required for the functioning of every democracy. Our leadership derives it's will and power from corporate, religious, whomever, 3rd party interests with cash and influence, serving only them and themselves at our expense. I am accusing all controlling parties of this, right and left. Local, State, and federal governments alike. There are few, if any exceptions.
Government can only lawfully be derived from the will and power given by the people. So you see, our problems are, and were always caused by us, the people. We fail to exercise our duty as citizens to implement and maintain, proper representative government.
Since only the people have the right and duty to implement and maintain proper government, it is only the people that can rightfully mend, or institute new government when it is not serving them. Political parties alone, cannot and should not ever be allowed a part of this critical, citizen-specific, democratic process.
Which brings me to the points taken by my first two statements; Only through the continuing degradation and exploitation by our leadership, will the people ever recognize and be willing to perform their Constitutionally Given and Guaranteed Duties, to be active citizen Patriots on a daily basis. This American, Patriot, citizen awakening, is a forced, reactionary process and should not now be slowed unnecessarily, by warring political forces.
So again, I hope not. Although unchecked one party rule is particularly dangerous, I hope one party remains somewhat weaker than the other so that government continues to weaken. And quickly. We need diverse views, scholarly solutions, the individual works of active Patriotic citizens, that only our great nation's Peoples can provide us with now, to correct our destructive systems of government.
One day, by our diverse community and regional needs, and of our many differing, yet equal voices, will we expand our two-party representative system as well. By this same process of citizen Patriotism. It is duty calling. Let it happen.
Help it happen by informing, lead others within your community and within ours, to Freedom, to Liberty, to Honor. God willing, we will one day Prevail and forevermore actively protect our living Constitution. And thus with Honor; our forever Living Planet.
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/4/2005 @ 8:02 am PT...
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/4/2005 @ 10:15 am PT...
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/4/2005 @ 10:45 am PT...
Torqued - what do you make of the Franklin bust? I noticed he leaked to the media - which I think is good, but don't know about leaking to the pro-Israel group.
Any thoughts anyone?
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
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Noname
said on 5/4/2005 @ 11:54 am PT...
Check it out
England abuse case thrown out
Thank God for another Godless Judge , who knows the truth
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/4/2005 @ 12:07 pm PT...
Oncall #100 -
Indeed. Why and why and why and why and WHY??? But you neglect to take into account the FACT that the B-word did NOT win either election he entered - that both were fraudulently decided.
That is a "domestic" issue of primary criticality, which must be addressed before anything else!
COMMENT #108 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/4/2005 @ 12:41 pm PT...
If I remember correctly, Franklin was palsy with AIPAC, as a key figure in the Israeli spy scandal. The story goes way back. Yes, he's the spy guy: Shaking Up Israel's Spy Nest The timeline goes way back and involves others in the Pentagon.
COMMENT #109 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/4/2005 @ 1:04 pm PT...
COMMENT #110 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 5/4/2005 @ 1:28 pm PT...
Thanks for the links, Torqued. I'll have to read them later, but wanted you to know I appreciate your response!
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Winter Patriot
said on 5/4/2005 @ 1:59 pm PT...
wow, torqued. what a post (#103)!!
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Teresa
said on 5/4/2005 @ 3:12 pm PT...
Torqued # 103
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant and so articulate.
COMMENT #113 [Permalink]
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mmiixx
said on 5/4/2005 @ 3:19 pm PT...
Whats happened to all the students?
Once upon a time Universities were the "engine" of civil protest .
I noticed on michaelmoore.com that "Students Commemorate Kent State Shootings 35-Years Later".
Is the "student body" alive or in a body bag ,already?
COMMENT #114 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 5/4/2005 @ 3:42 pm PT...
Mmixx - I think many inherited their parents' yuppie straightjackets. That, combined with a tendency not to want to bother with current public affairs because they've been raised on arcade flash and dazzle, action movies and money-mania, has zombified the poor dears.
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Teresa
said on 5/4/2005 @ 3:43 pm PT...
Mmiixx #113
You have to put this into historical perspective. The students now are struggling more with a horrible job market and fears about their economic survival.
35 Years ago these students were being drafted to kill and die. That's why they were so active. Things have to hit people personally before they rise up and protest.
COMMENT #116 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 5/4/2005 @ 4:13 pm PT...
Torqued, you are a very talented thinker and writer. Your word should get out. If you don't want a career in writing and to get published, at least keep it up here and elsewhere in the blogosphere so your word reaches as many people as possible. I am so impressed. I have struggled myself to try and communicate the need to control the focus on the other, to stop feeling victimized and take responsibility, but you have succeeded more than I have. Please keep it up.
COMMENT #117 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/4/2005 @ 5:47 pm PT...
The New Yorker has a Valerie Plame Outing update here.
COMMENT #118 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 5/4/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
Torqued Re: #103
Bravo! a very impressive statement and subsequent "call to arms" for those citizens who are engaged, and a wake-up call for the rest who are still in a Rupert Murdoch induced stupor!
I heartily second Teresa's #116 comment!
COMMENT #119 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 5/4/2005 @ 9:58 pm PT...
Re my #103 --- Knock off the tickle-talk ok, we are equals in every way.
COMMENT #120 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 5/4/2005 @ 10:28 pm PT...
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Kira
said on 5/5/2005 @ 1:58 am PT...
Thanks MMIXX and Bushw@cker for the links. Gosh, there are so many links here and on other threads. We need THE BRADBLOG BOOK or at least a LINK INDEX.
Now this thread is apt to be lost since it dropped out of line.
Love you guys & ladies.