Gee, you mean that the GREEDY OIL PARTY doesn't actually believe in democracy? What a shocker. The only real surprise will be if these neo-fascists are EVER held accountable.

You can tell the fix is in on the presidential race. They are saying that McCain is just about even with Obama.

There is no way in h... that the republicans are going to let a democrat win this election.

Just look at McCain when he is giving a speech. Pay attention to was he is saying an it sounds like a group of words thrown together trying to tell you don't vote for Obama.

How does his war record give him any accountablity for the presidency of our country. If you check his record (which the news media will never do) it shows flip/flopping and changing of what he says over the years.

McCain is doing the same thing which Bush has done. He take his corruptions and mis-quotes and changes the meaning of what he had previous said ,,, saying that was not what he said.

We are reaching into a deep dark hole if we reach down to McCain.

The man just doesn't have it and it shows when he is asked a question he had not prepared for,, or the person he calls on was the wrong person with the wrong question for him to answer.

HAVA Look: A Simple, Verifiable, Open Source, Paper Ballot Vote-Recording & Counting System

http://www.democraticund...;address=203×505612

http://www.geocities.com...ctionmodel/HAVAOnePC.htm

Thanks to HAVA, elections are vulnerable to multiple vote miscounts: at the precinct level with closed-source, diverse, proprietary code-based touch screens (DREs) and Optical scanners and then on closed-source, proprietary Central Tabulators. They have you coming and going.

On the other hand, paper ballots can easily be input to a standard personal computer spreadsheet. Voters can request a copy before leaving the precinct. The precinct (spreadsheet) file is uploaded to the Internet. The voter can quickly and easily verify his vote as the spreadsheet ballot records are sorted by a unique Precinct/Ballot ID code. At the same time, he can view and/or download the total precinct ballots to verify the vote counts. Consolidation of district/county/state vote counts is tabulated by Open Source software.

Three (3) volunteers input and verify the paper ballots. As Volunteer A reads the ballot, B enters the data and C verifies the result. Data entry would be completed shortly after the polls closed. The voter fills out a ballot marking each selected candidate's code (i.e. a=Dem, b=Rep, c=Ind). The volunteers use their god-given optical scanners (EYES) to read the ballots and enter the codes in a spreadsheet. As each code is entered, the spreadsheet automatically calculates the total vote and percentage for each candidate.

{Ed Note: See more at links above. --99}

And, since McCain is the candidate from organized crime, there is absolutely NO chicanery off the table! Remember back when Nixon tried to appoint Carswell to the SCOTUS? Someone noted that as a political thinker Carswell was mediocre - and Senator Eastland said that he thought that mediocrity deserved representation on the Court. In the same vein, since so many of our citizens are criminals, what's weong with having a representative of the Lansky-Bronfman Syndicate running for President?

Republican office holders have been cleared by the party to do whatever it takes to get reelected, regardless of past party line positions. Crossing the aisle might be the first little crack in party discipline. The lying, cheating and stealing will go on. It's the spots. You know, the leopard.

Almost 8 years later, still nothing has been, or will be done about stealing elections... Voting Machines, polls and counts are rigged, just as they were in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 and now 2008.

They aren't even afraid of the seats, or are they afraid that a Democrat will be President, cause, key states are already rigged, they have gotten away with EVERYTHING they have done, and will never be held accountable for doing so!

Anyone care to hazard a guess why the Dems are being so limp on this subject? Since this goes to the heart of getting Dems elected, you'd think they might sit up and pay attention to this one...

My fear exactly . . . the Repubs are determined to hold the White House at all costs. With McCain as their candidate, the only way they can possibly win is via rigged voting machines.

I believe the non-issue that e-voting has become is deliberately to throw us off-track and think that the hearing actually amounts to something.

Why the democrats aren't examining this is beyond me. I can only speculate:

A) They have been brainwashed into thinking it's a non-issue.

B) They are afraid that to bring it up is political suicide; besides, they may figure that either the hackers don't care about their particular race, or that if they do speak out against electronic voting, the hackers will make sure they lose.

C) They have made an actual or implied deal: They'll leave e-voting alone and they might get some bills passed that they want without the attack machine coming after them.

D) What are we all worried about e-voting for? It's a non-issue! (just KIDDING)

WE'LL SEE. I DON'T THINK U SHOULD WRITE OFF OHIO JUST YET FOR MCCAIN.

http://www.progressivein...um=120&topic_id=3898

In their replies to the OP, some DUers use classic diversionary tactics to change the subject - or have no clue to what the OP is all about. They criticize the use of Excel and ignore the fraud that has and will occur with ALL types of voting machines. By avoiding the central argument by trying to create an Excel straw man, they reveal both a desire to maintain the status quo as well as a limited knowledge of programming in general and Excel in particular.

In response to a challenge to corrupt the spreadsheet, a DUer said: "No thanks". Does that mean he won't even try or that that he tried without success?

Criticisms of the OP are reminiscent of those leveled at Lotus 1-2-3 and PCs in the early eighties when corporate gatekeepers feared that mainframes were being made obsolete by the new machines. They called them toys. Some toys.

The author of the OP has had over 30 years experience in quantitative application program design and development- from defense/aerospace IBM mainframes to Wall Street PCs. He converted main frame applications for investment banks on Wall Street from FORTRAN to Lotus 1-2-3 in the early eighties and then to Excel in the mid-nineties. He developed and marketed spreadsheet based corporate financial models to some of the largest U.S. consumer product manufacturers and foreign banks. As a programming consultant, he developed Excel VBA applications for dozens of the world's largest international banking institutions and corporations. He knows very well what Excel is capable of.

Naysayers miss (or ignore) the essence of the OP: The problem is that current HAVA-compliant systems are insecure, lack data redundancy, are not open source, subject to program "patching" and remote hacking. And of course, designed by GOP-friendly manufacturers who control the tabulation (see Ohio 2004).

These issues are addressed in the OP by illustrating how data redundancy checks can provide a full audit of the count; individuals retain a copy of their paper ballot. Any voter can check that his vote was accurately recorded by comparing his paper ballot copy to his uniquely coded ballot record in the precinct file which was uploaded to the Internet. And election officials at the precinct, county and state levels can fully audit the vote totals.

It suggests an OPEN SOURCE system designed by professionals for use in all state precincts - not a set of individual spreadsheets written by non-professionals for each precinct. A robust, open source VBA-Excel driven application could be developed in a matter of weeks.

It is patently false to claim that spreadsheets are not up to the task due to security issues and that a database system is the only feasible programming solution. Diebold has used PC database software- Microsoft Access. How did that go?

Spreadsheets are just one vehicle for input and transmission of voting data from the precinct to the Internet. Critics need to show why the Access database used by Diebold is more secure than Excel. The sample spreadsheet took all of 20 minutes to write and proved that counting votes is not rocket science.

Have critics ever written a commercial Excel-based application? One can only assume from the comments that they haven't. Then why don’t they create an equivalent program using their favorite database? That should be a piece of cake for them.