12 guys were stopped at the border yesterday.

What guys? Who are you talking about? What were they charged with? HUNDREDS (if not thousands) have been "stopped" and held for days, weeks, months and years without charge or access to an attorney.

How many of them have been convicted of ANYTHING related to Terrorism?

Please name a single "terrorist" that the Ashcroft/Bush Justice Department has successfully prosecuted for Terrorism in these United States in three years? Please name one.

Brad,

fatcs have nothing to dowith this; what matter is what Paul believes.

You don't give Paul enough credit. He's not a believer. Nobody could truly believe the nonsense he spews. He's a kool-aid drinking automoton, willing to repeat whatever he's told to repeat in the name of a cause that even he knows will bring him irreperable harm.

He doesn't care. It's the spite vote.

I don't meant to stick up for Paul, who frankly, based on his comments I've read, is an undeniable idiot. But DOJ has successfully prosecuted a number of people in Portland, OR, namely Mike Hawash and "THe Portland Six":

http://www.foxnews.com/s...2C2933%2C93944%2C00.html

PR,

Actually your statement is inaccurate. hawash was not prosecuted, he plead guilty, as did his compatriots. But their trial had nothing to do particularly with this issue. This issue concerns terror inside America. Their guilty pleas concerned taking up arms to defend the Taliban in Afghanistan. Precisely where the DOJ has gone to trial it has lost or been overturned (as in the reversal of the Detroit case). Now Hamdi has been released. Of the 5,000 or more detainees, NONE have been convicted of a crime.

johnhp,

I consider this a success for DOJ. If Hamash and the others didn't want to go to trial, it would seem that DOJ had a strong case against them, based on its poor track record against every other person it has prosecuted.

The fact that they were planning to carry out their exploits in Afghanistan doesn't change a thing--the charges, if true, still have them commiting terrorist acts against the US government, and much of their conspiracy planning took place in the US, apparently, which in and of itself probably brings it within purview of the US Code. In any event, I doubt these people would've gone on to Afghanistan and then quietly returned to live law-abiding lives in the US.

Hawash, an American citizen, was held for five-weeks without charges apparently, eventually plead guilty on the minor charge, was never tried, and the documents from the deal are sealed by the court. The DOJ dropped the major charges of Terrorism.

That's the only thing we can point to as a successful prosecution of a terrorist in 3 years? 1 Intel employee pleads guilty for minor charges, receives minimum penalty. 3 years now since 9/11? Thousands detained? (More on all that soon, btw.)

For all the "Dirty Bomb plots" and "20th Hijackers" etc., that they claim to have stopped/caught and then were not able to get convictions? etc?

Once again, the enormous disconnect between the Reality/Actions and the P.R./Words of this administration.

In the meantime, just 1% of incoming containers get searched, explosives like those that downed the Russian jets are not screened for at all, first responders are still grossly underfunded, and BushCo is quietly attempting to cut up to 3.2 billion from next years Homeland Security budget.

Apparently it's not a "War on Terra" --- it's nothing more than a "War of Words".

Good to have ya here, your majesty! Don't be a stranger!

Prince,

1st change your name. i cant get Prince songs out of my head during the response.

This was not about attacking the government. You attempted to change the subject. The issue conserned "homeland security" the safety of the American people and plots carried out HERE. You said you were defending Paul's point, his point concerned attacks in America.

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