Where is the wreckage on the Pentagon lawn..

What caused tower 7, but no other "non-hit" towers to fall.

until those are answered, nothing that is said about Sept. 11, 2001 can be taken seriously.

Then the next thing would be to explain how "cool" burning jet fuel and office equipment (cool burning as well) melted those beams. The "story" of the fire weakening the beams has been debunked (or so it seems).. the next requisit step for the Administsration is to prove the fuel and equipment could have gotten hot enogh (hint: they can't).

Rock on, Charlie! ROCK ON!!!

Why did Silverstein, the leaseholder, admit to "pulling" building 7, while the official story claims it collapsed due to fires? (Tiny fires at that.) It is painfully obvious that the official story is bogus. There was no real investigation into the most heinous crime ever commited on American soil.

I live in Thailand. Most people I talk to about 9/11 believe PNAC is behind it. They even publish full magazines on PNAC's (Cheney, Jeb Bush, Wolfowitz, et al) involvement in 9/11. Most American's are completely oblivious to the existence of PNAC. For American's, ignorance is bliss. Indeed, it's so much better believing in the bogeyman (with a boxcutter).

I saw this on satellite TV the other day. It was a show about the Controlled Demolition Inc. Company.

The largest steel structure imploded

There is a link to the video at the start of the article.
Watching that video should make a believer out of anyone!

Though this is not the best documentary on 9/11 (rather long and boring in fact), you can distinctly make out the explosions that brought down the towers: http://www.informationcl...se.info/article12018.htm

I completely agree with Quixote (above post).

I have never bought the "official" story. I heard about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) document shortly after September 11th and I read page 51 where it speaks of needing a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to accomplish the goals of PNAC. Then, conveniently on September 11th we have this new "Pearl Harbor," which took place just 9 months after the Judicial Coup following the 2000 stolen "election." As one local talk show host has said repeatedly since 911 and I quote: Politically speaking, 911 was the best thing to ever happen to George W Bush." He's correct.

Most people I talk with here in the States cannot even consider that "their government" would stoop so low as to engineer something as heinous as a new "Pearl Harbor." After the 2000 stolen "election," I put nothing past these scum of the earth people of the illegitimate Bush regime. They will do anything, and I mean anything, to accomplish their goals.

Please watch Loose Change 9/11 (2nd Edition).

http://www.loosechange911.com

It will help everyone understand that these stolen elections are just an ancillary pick pocket operation compared to the overall PNAC murder/propaganda/crime of the century/& coverup racket.

You people are quite wacko..... in my opinion.

Ok, I'm ignorant about this PNAC. Never heard of it. So go ahead and tell us about your wacko conspiracy theories.

I live in north Florida (not Leon County). Jeb Bush is my Governor. The only thing that Jeb has to be embarrassed about is his daughter's illegal mistake. His son, George P. Bush is in law school and I've seen his speeches. He's a great role model for young men with confidence and talent. But I forget, you people here are only interested in hate.

Oh, Savanister will get on me for not staying on topic, even though he gets off topic too, so ok....

Charlie Sheen is a great actor with the same fantastic talent as his father. I have enjoyed many movies that they have appeared in. But their job as an actor does not give them knowledge about explosions, steel structures, fire temperatures, jet fuel, airplane impact, etc.

He has the right to his wacko opinions, certainly, just as much as you and me. But some famous people use their fame to spread their opinions, either for the right or the left, which you or I don't have access to that kind of power.

What is your job, Savanister? What are your qualifications to judge how the WTC fell? Perhaps you have researched something, so please provide the link to verified documents on the topic. I'll be glad to read it.

Since my job is not involving fire, explosions, and jet fuel, I choose to belive what the experts have publicly said.

Perhaps Charlie Sheen should visit here too. He might help to bolster your conspiracy theories.

The terrorists chose planes bound for California so that they would have the biggest fuel load they could get and not arise suspicion. The towers did not instantly fall. It took time for that large volume of aviation fuel to burn to the high degrees needed to weaken the steel structure supporting the concrete slabs of ONE floor. Once that one floor fell onto the next floor, the steel frame was weakened and could not support the weight of TWO floors (plus the kinetic engery of the impact of the 1st floor), so then that steel frame broke and the two floors fell onto the third floor, and so on and so on. The floors above the impacted floors fell along with them. Did you not notice the terrorist pilots dip the wing (turn the plane slightly) in order to maximize the amount of damage they would do to the structure's frame and floors.

The only thing that I have some experience with is that when I was in the Navy, I worked in Naval Aviation maintenance at NAS bases and onboard aircraft carriers. I was trained on how dangerous jet fuel is, more so than gas used in cars.

Again, I'm not a scientist and I'm not pretending to be one. I can only repeat what I read and heard back in 2001.

You people and Charlie Sheen have heard the same explaination. Any reasonable person would understand what happend. But you people are unreasonable. Your hatred for the President and his people drive you too far from reason.

Have a "nice" day!

This link used to be good and may still be--
to "Loose Change" documentary in which the maker discusses and has the footage on all sorts of gaps in the 9-11 story including the towers "implosion", etc.

The documentary was free and it runs about an hour. View it online.

I am not convinced by all of it, but the most troubling lack of evidence for me is the Pentagon crash, not the Trade Center.

Anyway, if the link is still good--see for yourself.

ANd uh--Good for Charlie.

The Link:

http://video.google.com/...cid=-8260059923762628848

To put it in perspective, let me list some of the amazing things that Alex Jones believes:

The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch.
The secret rulers of the world can live forever.
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us.
Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil. (Alex says he saw him do it. Honest.)
The Communist Chinese Army has taken over the Massachusetts Port Authority.
Jacques Cousteau wants to kill 80% of us. (Jacques, too!)
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn. (This means no sex with the corn. Sorry.)
91% of Americans are Nazis (Alex says anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi; 91% of Americans favor mandatory handgun registration)
The government is spraying us with EVIL CHEMICALS contained in the contrails of planes (also poisoning themselves, I guess)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & saying "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
The Founding Fathers were stupid (they were Masons––but they didn't know about the secret conspiracy so obvious to Alex & his friends)
all our soldiers are stupid (our honored dead were mere fools compared to Alex Jones)
Waco was a government plot.
Most power outages are government plots.
Illegal immigration is a government plot.
The counterculture is a government plot.
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Thumbscanning is a government plot.
Environmentalism is a government plot.
The National Seatbelt Initiative is a government plot.
Feminism is a government plot.
Tollroads are a government plot.
Antidepressants are a government plot.
All domestic terror attacks are government plots.
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over America.
Skull & Bones is part of an English plot to take over America.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.
Children's cartoons are part of a government plot to brainwash us.
The secret ruling elite of the world are putting up buildings that look like owls (only conspiracy people can see these owls, in case you were wondering)
Most major police chiefs are CIA operatives.
Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.
The Quakers are all communists.
All of Clinton's cabinet were Jewish.
People have tattoos saying "Don't Kill Me" in Holland.
Lyndon Johnson had John Kennedy killed.
The UN has sold thousands of children into slavery & for snuff films.
Gays are actively recruiting in our schools.
The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium."
The Rothschilds funded Hitler.

91% of Americans are Nazis (Alex says anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi; 91% of Americans favor mandatory handgun registration)
The government is spraying us with EVIL CHEMICALS contained in the contrails of planes (also poisoning themselves, I guess. Shows you how ruthless the elite are.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & saying "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
The Founding Fathers were stupid (they were Masons––but they didn't know about the secret conspiracy so obvious to Alex & his friends)
Every soldier who died in any war since the Civil War was a chump (you thought they were heroes; turns out they were nothing but fools; how's THAT for patriotism?)
Antidepressants are a government plot.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.
Mercury travels from Africa to Austin on the Jet Stream. That's why Austinites have so many allergies.
IQ's are going down. (IQ's are going up.)
The cancer rate is up. (Most cancer rates are down.)
During his inauguration, President Clinton openly gave the sign of Satan for all the world to see. (They all worship Moloch, don't forget. I don't know how we get to Satan from there...but Alex says.)
Alex Jones is saving humankind with his cable TV show, radio shows, & tapes (available for purchase, by the way).
Bad people are deliberately putting cancer viruses, AIDS viruses, & mercury in our vaccines (twirling their long moustaches & going "Nya-hahaha!").
9-11 was only the beginning; there are going to be lots of even bigger domestic attacks (4 years & waiting on this prediction, Alex).
Most Americans believe the government was behind 9-11 (this is based on Alex's misreading of a Zogby poll; Alex misreads EVERYTHING)
They sacrifice babies at Bohemian Grove. (Imagine Richard Nixon sacrificing a baby.)
They only hire people with IQ's below 100 to become police officers. (Like most "Patriots," Alex Jones is essentially a cop-hater. He will say anything bad about the police.)

Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you
EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO.
Just think: if you can find those websites, YOU can predict the future too!

Ok, while I was typing my comment #8, others posted answering what I wondered about, PNAC. I'll go read those links later tonight.

But you people, along with Charlie Sheen, really gotta get a grip on reality here. Controlled implosion of the WTC? I've heard that the amount of explosives to bring down a big building is huge, so would be noticed by the people who work there, I hope.

Anyway, talk at ya later!

Mike J.

It's not huge sin to be ignorant. We were all ignorant once.

Well, now it's 4 and 1/2 years, and still being ignorant does reflect on your ability to examine evidence and think for yourself.

Read Webster Tarpleys book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in America

I think I've spent over 1,000 hours researching 9/11. The evidence points to bone-chilling conclusions. I'm not a Bush Basher: I think he's clueless. On the other hand, Cheney / Rumsfeld, these guys are scarry.

Here's physicist on the subject:

http://video.google.com/...docid=964034652002408586

On a different site I saw that there was large amounts of molten metal in the wreckage.
How did that happen?
Jet fuel and burning office furniture cannot melt steel. Some were postulating that an explosive like thermite would have to be used to melt steel girders like that.

Also, this is the first time that a "fire" has ever brought down a building like this. Sound a little fishy?

Mike J #8

Read, read, read, my child.

Engineers all over the world knew right away that the story of 9/11 was false.
That's the general concensus among engineers. They say the towers' huge central steel beams could not have come down the way they did & for the reasons given.
There's a group of firefighters that claimed, & were recorded as claiming, at the time, to see & hear explosives going off at the ground level before the rest fell. They've been told they only thought they saw & heard it.
Then there are the put options on the stock market....etc. etc.

Perry Logan,

Talk about a defensive wingbat, you really take the cake.

What is so frightening to you about seeking the truth. It is not possible, under our natural laws, for the South & North towers, nor any tower, to fall in 10 seconds, except through a controlled demolition (free fall). GW Bush can shred up and piss upon our laws and the Constitution, repeal Habeas Corpus, and violate every last right in our Bill of Rights, but he can not violate natural laws such as gravity and Newton's Laws of Motion. Please said aside your bizarre and childish arrogance and open your mind. See www.loosechange911.com then come back here and tell us the answer to the questions posed. Not only is it impossible that jet fuel caused a perfect free fall implosion of the towers and the inexplicable implosion and free fall of WT7 (that was never hit by anything), there is no possibility whatsoever that a 757 hit the Pentagon. These are just facts, plain and simple. You may have some whacked out tin foil conspiracy theory that Muslim terrorists imploded our buildings and torpedoed the Pentagon --- fine --- but what's your explanation for the purposeful cover up of the implosions by the Bush crime syndicate? Just curious.

Mike J #8
It has been estimated that 4000 pounds of explosives would be needed per building thats 40 trips for 10 people over a period a 3 or 4 days thats not that much. As for people noticing go to st911.org theres more than enough info, articles, videos to keep you busy. If you go to the site check out the who we are link, these people are not crackpots and I think you will be shocked at the names you see and their credentials.

Why is this so hard to believe? I mean it's like no one ever heard of the Reichstag Fire or the "surprise attack" on Pearl Harbor..... or Operation Northwoods.

You don't have to be a scientist to observe and criticise the obvious political uses of 9-11. No one remembers if Marinus van der Lubbe used diesel or kerosene or gasoline, No, what is remembered is that it was used to push the Enabling Act and abolish democracy.

"This is a God-given signal, Herr Vice-Chancellor! If this fire, as I believe, is the work of the Communists, then we must crush out this murder pest with an iron fist!" --- Hitler

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam"-- Abbas quoting W.

"Hard to get good case. Need to move swiftly, Go massive, Sweep it all up. Things related and not."--Notes from Rumsfeld aide.

Peruse this site, one of many, for 9-11 events.
http://www.team8plus.org/news.php

David READ this. Please know I have a LOT of respect for you and all your hard work. I see all you do and you get a HUGE thanks from me.

BUT; You discredited him right off that bat when all the man did was state facts and ask some questions.

BTW . . . If anyone finds a picture of the plane at the Pentagon, Me who lives near there would love to see it.

Mike J #8

One of the telling facts is the speed at which the towers collapsed.

You are correct - they didn't collapse instantly - no one has said they did. BUT when they did collapse it was at the speed of free fall gravity. They took only about 0.75 seconds longer than free fall if I remember correctly. The loose change link will tell you exactly.

For them to pancake one floor onto the next as you postulate there would have been resistance which would have slowed the process.

Also a major portion of the vertical steel structure was on the outside surface of the building and it seems much more of it should have been left standing as the floors collpsed down within it. The horizontal structural members holding up the floors are much smaller than the vertical members holding up the whole building and they would have sheared away from the verticals as the floors pancaked. The videos show the whole structure turning into dust just below the area which is moving down. As many engineers have stated the energy needed to pulverize the concrete and steel in such a manner far exceeds the energy released by these objects falling.

The top of one of the towers tips over to one side as it starts to fall. If there were resitance caused by the structure below this rotation would have continued. Instead it drops straight down. This shows there was no resistance from below.

Also the antennae on top of one building also fell straight down to the ground like a spear. The firefighters hung the flag from it afterwards. Resistance from below most likely would have caused it to tip over.

Although I am not a structural engineer, I do have some background in it and have worked in the construction industry for 30 years. I know how things are put together and how they come apart.

Loose Change 2 is a chilling look at all the things you didn't hear from our government.

Do not trust the government, question everything they do or say. The great people who founded this country believed in those principles and made all the checks and balances they could think of at the time with those thoughts in mind.

The current government is doing everything in it's power to over-ride those checks and balances and ride roughshod over this country and its constitution.

LMAO! You people will never be elected. You hate America.

PS. I am NOT advocating Alex Jones either who I think is over the top (although he does have some relevant facts and video footage FROM the 9/11 hearings), but I will advocate David Ray Griffin, Ray McGovern and Sibel Edmonds.

And the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition

National Security Whistleblowers Coalition

AND Charlie Sheen.

SEE LOOSE CHANGE VIDEO

LMAO at you Ricky - you haven't got a clue and seem to have no interest in learning anything.

JP... I think David's title draws more people to comment, and, so, they have a chance to learn. (Except Ricky, who can't.)

:) How about :

Charlie Sheen Questions the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory?

LOL it was all i could do on my own site to say.

Bush gives another speech on Terror

as opposed to:

Bush Terrorizes West Virginia Again

;)

Perry Logan seems to be preoccupied with Alex Jones. He posts the same "information" everywhere. Google it. He's simply pissed he doesn't get airtime.

Yes, if I suspend logic and the laws of physics I can accept the official story, but I can't.

Questioning the story is acceptable. Accepting bullshit is not. If you think for one minute the government gives a flying fuck about citizens you'll be quite happy. If they cared they would have responded to Katrina.

Charlie Sheen may have cavorted but he's still entitled to an opinion.

Oh Also, I was a journalism student back in the early 80's (in college), right before they did away with the Fairness Doctrine and things started going downhill and the Rise of Ricky was facilitated.

Check this out (People have forgotten this), but it how I was taught to report in college

The Fairness Doctrine

It was not meant to be abused and that anyone saying it violated the first ammendment is ridiculous. It was meant to protect people from the very thing that is destroying our country today, opinion and misinformation in something that is called "news".

Commentary and opinion were allowed, but you had to state that you were doing so, so as not to misinform the public.

Also, emotionally charged and stirring words were discouraged from legitimate broadcasts, calling themselves "news."

Just the facts. Just the facts.

Mike J.

If you're serious about looking into 9/11, then I advise you to examine closely everything about Building 7. For me, building 7 is the key to everything.

I have a Ph.D. in Physics, and I'm skeptical of almost EVERYTHING. When enough evidence accumulates, I START to become convinced of things.

WTC 1 and 2 perhaps fell because of the airplanes that hit them. Perhaps that large of a structure might fall in the event of a massive structural weakening.

Building 7 on the other hand (look at a map) is over a block away from 1 and 2. It was far less damaged than several other buildings which were RIGHT NEXT to 1 and 2, and yet those nearby buildings didn't fall even with much more damage.

The official report on 9/11 which investigates the WTC portion clearly states at the end of the report that the collapse of building 7 'warrants further investigation'. Even the OFFICIAL report can't explain its collapse. (you'll have to dig for the link sorry I read the report a year ago).

Larry Silverstein on PBS, the owner of the building, clearly says building 7 was pulled 'to prevent the loss of more life'. Now you've been in the military. Do you think building 7 could have been intentionally rigged with explosives during the chaos of 9/11 in just a few hours in order to demolish it and save lives? Do you think the structure of the building could have been analyzed in enough detail and the materials and expertise brought on site to wire explosives and bring the building down in just a few hours at ground zero? No? Then consider the alternative. Building 7 quite likely was therefore rigged with explosives BEFORE 9/11. This might have been done merely as a prevenative measure after the failed 1993 bombing. There were CIA and FBI offices in building 7 after all. However, if it WAS rigged with explosives (and all of the evidence points to the fact that it was), then that means OTHER WTC buildings might ALSO have been wired with explosives. In fact it would be PROBABLE, since building 7 was not previously attacked.

Perhaps such rigging with explosives was done as a preventative measure after the 1993 attempt. I mean had the 1993 attempt dangerously weakened the building, they would have had to worry about how to bring down the building safely. Based upon that, its not unforseeable that the gov't secretly rigged the building in order to save lives in the event the building was damaged in another terrorist attack. Maybe they even did that exact thing on 9/11. I.e. it doesn't mean the administration planned or colluded in 9/11, but it would mean they're lying to the american people (for our own protection? or to cover their butts?).

There are other weird things. Bush's brother, Marvin, not only is on the Board that insures the WTC, he ran the SECURITY company for building 7 and the WTCs. He also was part owner of the company that ran security at Dulles, where one of the flights originated. Coincidence? Its certainly strange.

I'll finish with this. Look into what happened when Payne Stewart's airplane went off course and didn't respond to ATC. Within 20 minutes he got a 2-fighter escort. Since he wasn't going to crash into a city, they let the plane run out of fuel and crash. This was for a puny small jet.

Why weren't there fighter escorts sent out on 9/11 when not 1, but FOUR major airliners went without response, turned off their transponders and even reported hijackings in some cases? Why for Payne Stewart and why not for 9/11? Was the government running a drill? Was it an honest mistake? Perhaps, but it STILL means the government is lying to us about the 'official' version of events for 9/11. Whether its to cover their butts or because someone high up within CAUSED it, I'm not certain. But I'm not buying the official story in any case. Too much evidence points against the official story.

Also, how long did it take to find John Malvo the highway shooter or anything about him? A month? How come within 24 hours we knew everything about the hijackers on 9/11 including video and still shots of them? Doesn't that strike you as a bit pre-packaged to deliver ALL that information within just 1 or 2 days?

Article I found:

Perry Logan is refuted again by J.A.

http://truthseeker2473.b...logan-refuted-again.html

Go away Logan.

Google shows you are simply a flake with a fictionalized version of Alex Jones. Disagreeing is one thing but you totally fabricate and twist information to suit your needs; To defame him.

JPentz #20

I agree. The headline paints Sheen in a negative way and it's annoying too.

I can't justify it.

Maybe some of these great comments and links will help people understand why Charlie is having doubts.

Rev. Griffin covered all this in his Madison speech, I believe. Don't know if Mike J. saw that speech, but I remember the gist of it. Rev. Griffin said no building had ever collapsed from heat in that manner before, and there was no reason to believe the twin towers would have.

Mike J. should also explain for us how a jetliner could have hit the Pentagon, when the residual damage was far too small to have been caused by any large aircraft. While he's at it, he might also discuss Tower # 7, which collapsed without being struck by a plane.

I'm no engineer, but Mike hasn't made a case that I can discern for accepting the official verson.

This is what happens when a government is secretive, the world is managed by enormous private interests through their control of public policy, and reality is shaped by corporate media and their particular brand of sophistry.

Was there ever a time when questioning the government was commonplace, even applauded? Of course the 9-11 commission was a joke and they've tried to cover up or halt every investigation from able danger to phase II, but that's not enough to set off the alarm in the public consciousness. Ultimately what Charlie Sheen or Alex Jones say won't matter. History reveals all, and decades from now some document will be declassified or some agent will reveal something. Historically speaking, the best thing the 9-11 truth community (I don't count myself as a part of it) could do is compile the most accurate information, record the most testimony, sort out the blatant disinformation, and make the best case it can today. I see a lot of films about the subject, many recycling the same information. I'd say its about time to put the theories to the test. I saw a JFK program on the discovery channel where they recreated the entire day using two film clips and an audio tape. Went to the room where the shot was fired, set up microphones all over the plaza and recreated the shot. With the sheer amount of footage, photos, and other data available on 9/11 there's no reason why this hasn't already been done. Do a simulation of the structures collapsing, the steel melting, pulverizing, et c. Until I see a video of this magnitude, I can't see the movement as anything more than a historical footnote.

Oh yeah. I've seen Perry Logan on Huffington Post's contagious festival. His videos are stupid and he's a self-promoting goober.

Oh, poor little pRicky.. what does elections have to do with your government killing thousands of civilians to spark national panic?

I'll ask again, nice and slow for pRicky and Mike J...

Where is the wreackage on the Pentagon lawn? A HUGE airliner supposedly hit it, and THERE IS NO WRECKAGE.. get it?

Why did tower 7 fall if it wasn't hit by anything and only had a small fire? The government doesn't discuss that at all.. hmm.. odd, don't you think?

As for the fires, Mike J. .. I've read the "opinions" of the "scientists" who talk about the "maximum burning temperature" of jet fuel, and the "weakening point" of steel. there's a few THOUSAND degrees difference (if I recall correctly.. might only be 1500 or so.. I"d have to go look it back up).

You can go to reopen911.org and or 911truth.org if you want more info. Lots and lots there, and more links from there to point you off in your own directions.

Oh, fer Chrissakes. I remember a report I heard that said back then that the towers collapsed the way they did because THEY WERE DESIGNED THAT WAY to minimize damage to the surrounding area.
Why do we pay any attention to what celebrities "think?" The Sheenman couldn't think his way out of a paper bag. He appears in the movies (thanks to nepotism) and we are supposed to take his views on engineering seriously? Get off it.

Oh.. and Mike J.

In addition.. if you watch closely as the second tower falls (I believe it was the second one), you will notice that it STARTS TO LEAN, then CHANGES DIRECTION and falls "straight down" in a "free fall" manner. Physics doesn't allow that to happen.. that is, just as the top started to "fall over", the structure under it "pulls it straight down" instead. Not consistent with "pankaking"

Then you have the "flashes" from the planes seen at several angles just before the planes hit. Sorry, commercial liners don't "shoot things" from their bellies.. What were those flashes? They were shown NOT to be glare from the sun (multiple angles means you can't get the same flare, light reflections don't work like that). There is speculation that the planes launched small missles at the time of impact to make sure they penetrated completely.

Oh, and for the "heat" of the fire.. there are pictures of people STANDING IN THE HOLES where the planes went in.. that means the temperatures were pretty low.. certianly too low to be bothering steel, unless you believe humans can withstand more heat than metal..

The only bit from the "explinations" I've seen so far that I don't know about yet are the "squibs" shooting out from all the windows as the building falls. I can concieve of how that would be concussion-driven from a pankaking building, but from some of the info, it would be no where near as pronounced as it is. Since I"ve never seen a HUGE building "pankake" like that (before), I don't have a frame of refrence (and not being a physicist, not qualified to determine the force needed/generated for materials to be blown out like that).

As to your question of what I do.. I'm a Software Engineer (BS in Computer Science). I have a background in science in general, with a LOT of math and physics (I was enrolled with a Physics major at one point). Trust me, I understand the bulk of this stuff well enough to know that "something really stinks" with the official story (like, "where is the plane at the Pentagon?").

Do some research. You'll get pissed that our Media has not asked these questions, has not pointed out that ALL THE STEEL from Ground Zero was "hurried off and melted down with no investigation".. you will start to see just how screwed up this all was, even if it WAS a "genuine attack"..

You might also run across the reports of up to at least 7 of the "hijackers" being ALIVE AFTER the attacks. And the info that shows how cell phones don't work all that well at 20,000 feet moving 400 mph, so the calls we heard become suspect as well (I still need to do more research on that, I suppose).

Anyway.. to call us "nuts" when you've not bothered to "look at any of the facts" when they are all easily accessable on the internet is to show your lack of concerne with the truth. Which is fine, you're entitled. Just don't be suprised when you're standing there wondering why everyone is laughing at you.

BVAC,

Try Loose Change 911 in case you haven't seen the latest version. It has all the simulations you're looking for.

http:///www.loosechange911.com

It's creepy to see the whole official story debunked in one 80 minute movie. We need to copy and get this film out to everyone in Congress. Also, it makes you start to think about the politics of the last election. Remember when Cheney said people had to vote for Bush or "this would happen again?" No wonder he was so certain!

The version of loose change I saw didn't have that, I'll check it out again.

Cyteria -

It's not WHO is questioning, it's that it's finally being done in public. Please, do some research.

Cyteria, where did you read that "in the event of an off-axis collision, the buildings were designed to fall straight down instead of toward the hole, as would be the mandate of physics" ?

What -I- read some place was that after the first attack there was a secret contract to set the building for demo in the event it was attacked again.. so that if it DID start to fall, or looked like it was destroyed beyond repair and needed to be demo'd in a hurry to protect people, it could be.

Which seems more plausable.. designing a building so it defies physics? or putting demo charges in super-tall buildings to make sure they don't fall over on their neighbors some day?

I kinda thought that Mike J. was making an effort to learn something about this....even though he did start with some derogatory comments.

I'm just sayin'....

It can take time to take off the sheep's wool and realize what's really going on.

Peace.

David Edwards you rock!!!!

I really do appreciate you and your hard work very much.

First, tell it like it is, Charlie. But, MSM...why do you wait for an actor to break the 9/11 questions? Scholars, students, experts, and eyewitnesses have been saying this for years...and the MSM breaks their blackout because an actor says it??? That's because the MSM is "info-tainment", and an actor saying it is more important to them than experts saying it.

CHARLIE SHEEN: PLEASE MENTION E-VOTE FRAUD SO THE MSM WILL REPORT ON IT!!!!!!!!!

I've been saying this all along, btw...

Where are all the liberals and actors publicly speaking out about e-vote fraud & 9/11? The Huffington Post could be running 1-2 stories a day about e-vote fraud, like Brad does, and with their traffic and all their "Hally-wood" (as Bush would say) stars who trampse that site, there would be mega-coverage on e-vote fraud. And they know it's happening, so why aren't they saying anything?

THANK YOU, CHARLIE SHEEN! YOU ARE MY HERO!

Guys, you don't rig a building with C4 in case of another attack because it's DANGEROUS stuff, could bring it down into its footprint with no attack. That's just mental gymnastics to try to explain what is CLEAR.

And, if they designed the building to fall into its footprint, it STILL would not come down in so near to free fall time. Pancaking takes MUCH longer.

If it was in any part a terrorist attack to start out with, they got a LOT of help from VERY powerful people inside. Not a shred of doubt about that.

AGENT99: It is so obvious that it was an inside job, that I hardly even talk about it. It is crystal clear according to physics and scientific evidence that it was an inside job, it's overwhelming.

Here's the conspiracy theory: 19 Arabs with box-cutters brought down the WTC. Only a fool could believe that. Oh, and who told us this fairy tale? The Bush Administration! And we know how truthful they are, right?

Charlie Sheen started a bombshell...opened a pandora's box...OF THE TRUTH!!!

OPRAH!!! PLEASE MENTION E-VOTE FRAUD!!!

RIGHT!

I tried to download "loose change" recently and it wouldn't work...maybe my computer doesn't have enough space or something. Anyway, does anyone know where I can rent it or send for it or....? I really want to see it. ps. Or maybe there is a trick to downloading it that I don't know about. Thanks.

Jo: you can watch it on google video at this link:

http://video.google.com/...cid=-8260059923762628848

Sorry, you have to copy and paste because I don't know how to do links.

Jo you can order the DvD on the site.\

I have a copy of it.

www.loosechange911.com

Rememeber this too folks, those buildings were built to withstand just such an attack.

Hey Ricky the tool, is that all you got? Yet another overused GOP talking point. How pathetic.

I swear, I really think Ricky lives at the White House. This guy:

http://shakespearessiste...06/03/photo-dump_23.html

# 41 Jessica. I'm with you on that comment. "I kinda thought that Mike J. was making an effort to learn something about this...."
There is no need to be sarcastic with those in doubt. It's a time to educate them, not turn them away.
It's pretty scary at first to think that 9-11 may have been planned and it takes awhile to get your head around that, at least it did for me.

Lets see if the wingnuts can get their minds
wrapped around this
(a little at a time for everybody else)
They've got this shit down to a science
kinda helps you to understand a little how the masses are controlled
9/11 aftermath is a prime example of "this"

I'm going to try & get Paris Hilton to talk up the value in the Feingold resolution.

Ok guys i have an idea,

From now on lets call him Ricky "Please Don't Hurt Me With A Box Cutter". for his last name.

Charlene "Please Don't Hurt Me With A Box Cutter", I guess if you think Paris is your woman go for it.

lol, JP.

Good one JPentz, Every time a wingnut posts here with their so called "reality" based posts, I like to call it the "Purple Finger Opportunity", like how they were all crowing after the voting in Iraq, or mission accomplished... maybe we could call it the "Bulging Crotch Opportunity"

To all those who accept the official story...

Watch Professor David Ray Griffin speak at University of Wisconsin (Madison): The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions

another good 9/11 site

http://911blogger.com/

I think you guys are on to something. I have a few theories as well. I think a UFO came from outter-space and took out the first tower.

The USA government was in cooperation with them and blew the second tower to hide the ufo.

Heres absolute PROOF!

http://www.ufocasebook.com/argentina1981.jpg

Trolls are always out when Bushco looks bad. Wayne Madsen and a janitor from one of the buildings who were hit had to go into hiding from our govt. to shut them up. That says a lot. Why would a vice pres. be doing wargames on 9/11? This was not only an inside job..there wasn't much of a coverup. R.Rhodes is talking about it now. Guess Air America has lost some stations for a reason. On a positive note...We in the U.S. can't trust the media now...which has always been a propaganda arm of the govt. Goodnight and goodluck could have been named Deja' Vu.

Applying Occam's Razor - that one should always choose the theory that requires the fewest leaps of logic - I just can't in good concience say I still believe the US government's faith based conspiracy theories about what happened that day.

I don't really give a damn what ANY celebrity says - or any politician either, for that matter.

I do, however, listen to scientists, physicists and engineers who have laid out enough evidence to convince me that the laws of physics were NOT suspended in New York City on 9/11/01.

And the thing is, I, like a lot of other Americans, DID believe it - as much as I love this country, I WANTED to believe it - until I read enough of the evidence to the contrary. It actually took a few years to change my mind - cognitive dissonance is a powerful, painful force.

And for anyone who says "Our government would NEVER do something like that!" - google "Operation Northwoods".

Never underestimate the lengths to which some humans will go to forward their own agenda.

That agenda is pretty much spelled out at www.newamericancentury.org

Ricky - Bless your heart.

Ricky: I think you came from a UFO!!!

Rickey: Did you ever hear the craziest theory, that 19 backward Arab hijackers with boxcutters outsmarted the Bush administration and knocked down the WTC?

Ricky: Was Bush president when 3,000 people died in the WTC? Or was it "some other president"?

Will you at least admit that Bush was president during 9/11? Or can you not at least admit that fact?

Maybe faith-based wingnut reichwing conspiracy theorists like Ricky think that the laws of physics don't apply to braindead GOP goobers like Bush and his neocon jackboots? I dunno, just sorta trying to get to the bottom of this pattern. Kinda like "their shit don't stink" or something?

#58

That was a joke, stupid.

I have experience in designing buildings. I have some understanding of how they go together and come apart. I am not an expert in all things construction nonetheless, so with that caveat, here is what I think for what it is worth:

1) The view of "explosions" preceding the progressive collapse of the floors above look very slight to me. I imagine they could be glass failures owing to the compression of air under the falling masses above. They would naturally precede the debris and collapse. Intense fire (for example) can cause the kind of outward explosion of glass curtainwalls and while I know that may not be the case here, my point is air sufficiently compressed can cause a phenomenon of glass failure.

2) Building 7 is a true mystery.

3) The Pentagon crash and aftermath are suspicious and could be easily explained away IF the government would release the surveillence tapes they are known to have. The question of why they don't is the troublesome question. It is not like the Zapruder film--which did not show the killer. The question about what craft actually hit the Pentagon and how is it possible to do the odd damage that has already been documented could be addressed literally overnight if the tapes were released.

4) I don't buy that passengers were mysteriously substituted or given new identities or whatever---too many airplane victims and their families exist to make me think there is any mystery around crash victims.

5) That so many "hijackers" were identified readily after the event does not surprise me. That they were not correctly identified (even to this day) is what surprises me.

Tell me: do you feel safer now than 3 years ago?

Charlene - Bless your heart.

Charlene/Ricky "Please Don't Hurt Me With a Box Cutter"/"I Flew in via UFO"

FYI Mine was a joke too. But I am sure if you offered Paris more money or to pay her cell phone bill she might do it for you.

I don't even care that it took Charlie Sheen for America to start waking up to the Bush administration's first crime.

Just watch the video evidence for yourself. And do some research on PNAC.

You know they lied to go to war in Iraq, destroying far more lives than were destroyed on 9/11. Do they look remorseful, or regret having done it? So why would you doubt they would pull off 9/11, which basically gave them 3 great, unprecedent goals.

1. Free reign to plunder the entire oil-rich region of the Middle East.

2. Expand executive branch powers to levels Nixon only dreamed of. Remember, these same guys (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) have been after this for decades

3. Get free license to basically steal trillions of $$$ from taxpayers. Running up the deficit on no bid contracts, raising Military Industrial Complex profits, Big Oil profits, etc. Eisenhower warned us this could happen.

I disagree with my friend Bob (Cyteria). The issue isn't "How much does Charlie Sheen know about explosives?" it's "Why, given the gaping holes in the official version, does it take a Hollywood actor's opinion to draw mainstream news coverage?" This should have been front-page news years ago.

Rev. Griffin's talk at Madison had a powerful effect on me. I was a skeptic, too, before hearing the man. He's no crackpot and no fanatic, and he made a very powerful case that Bush and Cheney, at a minimum, allowed 9/11 to happen when they could have prevented it. The forensic evidence at the Pentagon and at Building 7 in New York are congruent with this postulate.

cooperative research timelines

Scholars For 9/11 Truth

March 23,1933 - The Reichstag passes the Enabling Act, making Adolf Hitler dictator of Germany.
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Bush shuns Patriot Act requirement
In addendum to law, he says oversight rules are not binding.
http://tinyurl.com/fplta

What I don't get, pRicky.. is why don't you go read some of the evidence? Why don't you go get some of the facts? THEN try to defend your position?

Oh.. right.. you're the turd that thinks Shrubby is god and King.. who thinks it's cool to kill women and children over a few lies that are making a few companies super rich.. who thinks anyone with a dissenting opinion should be killed, or at a minimum have their free speach revoked and only lock-steppers should be allowed free speach, and their hate speach should be classified as "humor" until someone dies..

I truely don't understand the person that closes their mind so tightly that it would explode if a gnat farted in their ear. Talk about a waste of a human being. At least most of the lessor animals can be trained, or eaten.. when humans act less intelligent than the average breeding stock rat, it makes you wonder.

You know, people.... over the past 5 years, I've thought and researched a lot about this... about what really happened on 9/11.

We can speculate all we want. But research is the only way to really discover the truth... and I mean... HANDS ON type research. (Heck, we even have a man or woman with a Ph.D. in Physics among us here.)

The problem is, though... the conspirators had an excellent "cleaning crew" that took all the evidence to China for disposal.

We'll never figure out what really happened... even with Independant One, Brad Blog's resident Physicist, on our team... because they disposed of all the evidence.

Remember... these people had practice on JFK's assassination.

The difference is... with the JFK case... they will allow people of my generation to know what really happened when I reach my late 60's... long after anyone can do anything about it (remember the "Future Eyes Only" time capsule to be opened in about 35 years from now?)

But, with the 9/11 truth... they never left us even that courtesy.

Mistrust the 9/11 commission's version? Of Course! (After all, how much truth can you get from the likes of former US Senator Slade Gorton from here in WA State... who today is a member of the 9/11 commission.)

But to discuss what really happened that day... futile.

Unfortunately.

Y'all are wrestling with pigs again.

Ricky's not here to learn, or even to argue intelligently.

Of course, I admit, even I tend to toss him a bone now and then - I was taught that we should always be kind to animals, children, and those who are just not the sharpest knives in the drawer. But please, don't waste your time taking him seriously.

I think of him as a stubborn little two year old arguing at naptime. WE know he's tired, HE knows he's tired, but there is NO WAY he is EVER going to admit he needs a nap. We will NOT win by logic - he is just not interested in understanding facts, he only knows he wants what he wants and that's all that matters to him.

The best strategy is to trick him into being quiet (perhaps with a nice story) until nature takes its course and he falls asleep Once he's safely tucked in bed and no longer underfoot, the rest of us can quietly go about our work. When he wakes up, everything will have been taken care of by the responsible adults. Don't expect him to say thank you, or to even notice - just pat him on his little head and accept the fact that he simply doesn't have the ability or the desire to comprehend the world outside of his own little self-centered existence.

Now, that said...

Ricky - come here darlin. Bring your juice and your lovey.

Now..once upon a time....

Watched the tape of the seminar at

http://video.google.com/...docid=964034652002408586.

I found it interesting. Informative and provocative---and presented with all the glamor and impact of the worst college classes I ever had. That's a good thing. You don't like the glitz of Charlie Sheen? You think it's all tin-hatted, hollow-headed conspiracy?

Sit through the seminar. It's free. It's a rough cut presentation. The guy gets on my nerves. But he makes me think.

Savantster #78

Please don't disparage rats!

My children have several as pets and I've found them to be extremely intelligent and eager to learn. They are very social and co-operate with each other to get a job done. Always eager to explore and learn more.

Unlike our resident trolls.

I agree with RLM #75

"Why...does it take a Hollywood actor's opinion to draw mainstream news coverage?"

This topic has been present many times in many forums and has never to my knowledge drawn any MSM coverage.

Now that a celebrity has spoke regarding it they take notice, but only to discredit him and call him wacko.

But what really matters in the MSM is: "Exclusive photos of teen Angelina Jolie, plus an Oscars preview, Victoria Secret swim shoot, and more!" as we see at the NY Post!

The MSM cover-up continues.

What I want to know is:

Do people (and I use the term loosely) like Ricky get paid to come onto forums/blogs like this & spout off? If so, I want a similar job. If not, what possible satisfaction could one derive from shouting at the 'ocean'? I suppose only Ricky can answer that.

I hope Ricky's well connected or similar with the Neo-cons. If not he'll be in for a very rude awakening when he realizes that it's he, who's been wearing the tin-hat.

#79

Did you notice a new "documentary" that came out re JFK's assassination?
We've seen numerous "documentaries" over the years on this subject that question the "magic bullet" and blame this, that or the other guy & his cousin.
But the new one blames Oswald alone did it & claims that there WAS only one (magic) bullet, just as the Warren Commission said.
It's come full circle.
Everything old is new again.

You know, Gerald Ford was a member of the Warren commission.
If you ever wondered how someone of such modest abilities was selected for appointment to the Presidency---guess that was his reward for a job well done.

Kestrel, You have articulated well why I think of "Ricky" as *'s screen name. We have THE White House troll here with us. We should, heh, heh, call him President Ricky. It will give him a thrill. Whiney fascists need the love. It's HARD being Preznit! Gotta stay in class, looking hypnotized while Vice Fuhrer Darth Fudd gets to give all the orders from his Undiscwosed Wocation.

Arlen Spector was on the Warren Commission, too, as a DEMOCRAT. I think that is an even better way to fathom the problem of who shot JFK and why. Ol' Spector saw the handwriting on the wall, and decided to become a member of the ruling party. Heroes get killed by these pukes. There ARE no Republican heroes, and that's why it's considered safe haven for the Please Don't Hurt Me With Your Box Cutters crowd.

Manifest Destiny, Again?

When we stop striving for American Ideals we will crumble as a Nation. We knew that then but we need to be reminded once and a while like 9/11.

Manifest Destiny, Again?

No nation ever existed without some sense of national destiny or purpose.

Manifest Destiny --- a phrase used by US leaders and politicians in the 1840s to explain continental expansion by the United States --- revitalized a sense of "mission" or national destiny for Americans.

The people of the United States felt it was their mission to extend the "boundaries of freedom" to others by imparting their idealism and belief in democratic institutions to those who were capable of self-government. It excluded those people who were perceived as being incapable of self-government, such as Native American people and those of non-European origin.

John Osullivan 1839 said

Yes, we are the nation of progress, of individual freedom, of universal enfranchisement. Equality of rights is the cynosure of our union of States, the grand exemplar of the correlative equality of individuals; and while truth sheds its effulgence, we cannot retrograde, without dissolving the one and subverting the other. We must onward to the fulfilment of our mission --- to the entire development of the principle of our organization --- freedom of conscience, freedom of person, freedom of trade and business pursuits, universality of freedom and equality. This is our high destiny, and in nature's eternal, inevitable decree of cause and effect we must accomplish it. All this will be our future history, to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man --- the immutable truth and beneficence of God. For this blessed mission to the nations of the world, which are shut out from the life-giving light of truth, has America been chosen; and her high example shall smite unto death the tyranny of kings, hierarchs, and oligarchs, and carry the glad tidings of peace and good will where myriads now endure an existence scarcely more enviable than that of beasts of the field. Who, then, can doubt that our country is destined to be the great nation of futurity?

Still sounds good today.

And that's why Nazis use it on sheep-minded wimps to get votes.

You guys are the ones saying these the Arab people are like the Native Americans and the Blacks back then, you perceive them as being incapable of self-government. They want to be rulled by someone.

Being capable of self-government includes wanting to be ruled by someone. Most of the Iraqis want TRIBAL government, not this fake nation. That IS self-government there.

Lort! Ricky went crying to Rummy.... Agh!

And, boy, "manifest destiny" is such a good excuse for blowing up your own citizens at the WTC, don't you think? Totally worth it. Look at the bazillions flown into the oligarchs' pockets on that account. If that doesn't sound good, what does?

Just interjecting a little sanity so that when the pills wear off maybe something will stick.

"Sanity"? How about psychotic levels of BASELESS self-righteousness doing duty as brains? That would fit the belief in Manifest Destiny in the 21st Century.

HCOCDR, Manifest Destiny IS THE PROBLEM.. we do NOT have a "right" or "obligation" to FORCE our beliefs on others. Only money grubbing pricks, religious zealots, and morons believe that.

Freedom isn't something "forced down your throat", it's something you are "enlightend to". Believe it or not, Iraq today is a STEP BACKWARD in that regard. They are REMOVING enlightenment and going back to a Theocracy (which by it's very definition is the opposite of enlightenment given that you "just believe" without "fact" to back it up, and do what you're told by your religious leaders.. no thinking, just obeying). But, that's what THEY WANT. So, for all our dead soldiers, all the dead civilians, all the wasted money and effort.. they are walking AWAY from "what we want", and falling further behind than where they were (albeit they are taking that step backward willingly instead of being forced to step forward).

Seems as if some people decide that, since they can't be part of the solution, they should become part of the problem. I'm really glad that Charlie Sheen saw how he might be part of the solution. THAT is manly. THAT is lucid. THAT is American.

HCOCDR said:

"No nation ever existed without some sense of national destiny or purpose."

I agree. Since 1992, it has been my "Manifest Destiny" for the government to provide health care for everyone. We are the only 1st world country in the whole world that doesn't provide at least some sort of voluntary health insurance or health care for everyone... on a single payor basis.

We almost had it too. But the forces opposing proper health care, housing, etc. for everyone [especially the poor and middle classes] want to amass these resources for themselves.

My point is... Manifest Destiny is whatever a country makes it out to be... something that is a common vision for most people.

Eradicating terrorism is a bit out of reach... unless we attack every country in the world, we'll never get rid of it.

Time to look inward though... and do what is doable... like my signature "hot button" theme... universal health care and universal housing for all who want it.

That is how I redefine "Manifest Destiny."

Hey, people. Americans are waking up. I've watched both Showbiz Tonight episodes in which they cover this story, and, believe it or not, they are going to cover it again today (3/24/06) at 5 pm and 11 pm eastern.

Three in a row!

The host of the show, A.J. Hammer, has been very respectful toward those of his guests who believe 9/11 was an inside job. He has not even once attempted to denigrate or dismiss them (including Alex Jones, last night's guest). In fact, one can almost sense that Hammer, at the very least, agrees that there is a lot more to the story than we have been told.

Anyway, here is one of the ways I know that average Americans have either begun to awaken to this story (or have been awake all along but have not had a "convenient" mainstream media outlet --- until now --- through which to voice their opinions): Vote at CNN Poll

As of this morning, 12,762 people (including myself) had voted. Of those 10,440 (82%) agree that the government has covered up the real events of 9/11, while only 2,322 (18%) disagree. Pretty decent numbers, eh? I can only imagine how high the numbers have gone since this morning. Very similar results were also tallied in an Anderson Cooper viewer poll a while back.

Seems like the "fringe" minority these days actually consists of the incurious neocon wingnut losers who are casting insults at the thinking readers here at BradBlog.

Ain't it great?

By the way, I encourage you all to follow the links above (either one will do) and cast your own votes.

Correction: Sorry! I meant that Showbiz Tonight will air at 7 pm and 11 pm, eastern time (5 and 9, mountain time). If I were to proofread a one-word comment a thousand times, I would still discover a mistake after I clicked the "post it" button.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Interesting link, Roger..

Cept.. how did the entire plane fold into a 16 foot hole? that's the story that we'd have to believe to accept that the plane was on the inside, but not outside.

Again, physics would have to be suspended to let a 100+ foot wingspan collapse and suck into a 16 foot hole.

Hmm.. and don't un-manned stealth planes have landing gear as well?.. interestingly, those are small enough to pretty much fit into a 16 foot hole, but not a 4 story, 100+ foot wide plane. *shrug* I'd have to see a demonstration to believe it, sorry.

Watch This Video

i love it,

those of you who are running to defend the ramblings of a guy who

1. has no, and i mean NO, formal training or experience with forensics or anything related to such things.

and

2. most certainly does have experience with illegal drugs including cocaine and various hallucinogens!

he obviously is able to comment intelligently on matters of this importance. Riiiiiight.

Like Bush was a Coke-addict? Is that what you mean?

Roger #101 and others.

This perhaps the most thorough link I have found regarding the Pentagon. Lots of information and links to other sites both pro and con regarding the truth of what happened. You can spend several hours vieing all the photos and reading all of the analysis.

PentagonResearch.com

No. 7

http://www.prisonplanet....4unmistakablecharges.htm

Popeye - Do you really think Charley Sheen was the first to come up with this idea?

He's just repeating what physicists, engineers, and demolitions experts have been writing and talking about for YEARS. Just because you and others didn't listen until an actor came forth with the information doesn't make it easier to dismiss - it just means you've not been paying attention.

Use the search engine up above, plug in 9/11 and other related terms, check the links provided here, read what we've been saying all along - you've got a lot of reading and catching up to do!

Ahhh.. Poopybrain returns! to troll about specific things regarding the illegal activities of his master.. I'm starting to see some patterens here. Very interesting.

And, poopybrain.. he doesn't need to be a "demolitions expert" to have seen a few demos.. You know, they have this magic box you can buy for your house.. you plug it into a wall and it shows you pretty pictures and blasts neat sounds.. Sometimes, those pictures and sounds are of "professionals demoloshing a building".. and anyone with an IQ over 50 can see it several times.. then when they see something "like it" later, can make the association. No "training" needed.

Nice try at spinning though. There are, unfortunately, many people who will buy your bullshit and faulty logic. Just not here

Go peddle your delusions elsewhere, thanks

Blubear and all others

We all need to take a step back. I was of the mind that there is a vast 9/11 conspiracy but now I'm not so sure. As much as I hate to admit it, my brother has pointed out a few things to me that go against the conspiracy theory of the attack on the Pentagon. I posted the link above in #101. There is defininely wreckage of an aircraft insde the Pentagons walls. It is quite possible that the plane was travelling at such a speed and loaded with so much fuel that little of it was left behind in large pieces. As much as I hate Bush, Cheney and the others in his group and those following them blindly, there is reasonable doubt to the conspiracy. It is much more likely that they allowed the atacks to happen than perpetrated it themselves. As far as the WTC is concerned, I saw a video of the second tower collapsing from a website that was posted here. The beginning of the collapse happened right at the point of the planes impact. If it were explosives, how did it start at that point? It seems to me that it was weakened enough at that point to give way, starting a chain reaction that, as the top floors fell, the weight increased with every impact from the floors above it. There are still questions to be answered not least of which is what they knew before the attacks and when they knew it and could they have stopped it before 9/11. But the idea that it was brought down by evil elements in our own government, and I do believe they exist, no longer seems likely to me. I don't want to admit this either, but my disgust at this administration and their obvious abuse of power has 'skewed' my perception of the event that started all this.

Roger: There is reasonable doubt to WHAT conspiracy?

Did you watch this video?

click here

"There is defininely wreckage of an aircraft insde the Pentagons walls."

Which is consistent with a spy drone, in that something was flown into the Pentagon.

"It is quite possible that the plane was travelling at such a speed and loaded with so much fuel that little of it was left behind in large pieces"

Not exactly. The amount of fuel determines the size of the fireball, not the "strength" of the explosion. In fact, the lower the amount of fuel, the bigger the explosion because there's more vapor in the fuel tanks. More fuel = bigger fireball = smaller "boom" = more burning material... Less fuel = more vapor in the container = bigger 'boom' = less burning material. So, a fully loaded plane would make a huge fireball, but not as much of a boom. Also, you're talking about the tanks blowing.. that would pull the wings off, and parts of the midsection, but the nose and tail would not be very impacted from the explosion. The nose would be destroyed from hitting the building, and all that destruction would shed most of the energy. There WOULD be a significant part of the plane left OUT SIDE, period.

"It is much more likely that they allowed the atacks to happen than perpetrated it themselves"

Which is at a minimum treason, right? Yet, they are still in office. DESPITE the existence of memos that show they KNEW it was coming. Instead of the "whole truth" coming out, they gag Seibl Edmonds. Hmm.. And, I don't think it was just that they were negligent in letting it happen. They ALSO "at least" helped in that no fighters managed (for the first time in our history that I'm aware of) to intercept ANY of the 4 planes. Those planes were intentionally "occupied" and sent "the wrong way".

"The beginning of the collapse happened right at the point of the planes impact."

And if you watch CLOSELY, you'll see that it was FALLING OVER, not down. Just as it started to "fall over", it immidiately "changes direction" and goes "straight down". The only way that can happen is if the part that was still attached (the pivot point) started dropping as well. That is, the top looked to star to fall over (slowly) as some of the steel gave way (yet, the fuel wasn't hot enough to do that, which makes one wonder), but then the "in tact" part fell away "faster" (freefall speed) and down and pulled the "tipping" down instead. It's hard to explain like this, but from what I saw on some other videos, the tower definately looked "dropped" under the falling top..

"If it were explosives, how did it start at that point?"

Explosives to "drop the building" wouldn't have had an effect on the top starting to fall over. But, if the entire building was "rigged" for demo, you can fire off any bit you want at any time you want. It doesn't take a genious to understand that you need to make that first bit start moving first when you know people are watching. It could -easily- have been adjusted during that hour of chaos to have charges on that floor go first. And, if I recall (I'd have to track down those vids again), the floor UNDER the "hole" collapsed first on one tower.. then the leaning of the top on the other. Which could -also- be explained if some of the "charges" (and some have said it was a non-explosive material that just gets super hot) near the hole had gone off during the collision and weakened more of the structure (that is, the demo stuff caused more damage than the plane). Possible, is all I'm saying.. since no one was able to examine the debri.

Also, on one video I watched, BOTH planes had a bright flash just as they hit the building. Well, the instant "before" they hit.. almost like a missle was hitting the building just as the plane did (there would be NOTHING that could cause an "explosion" in the front of the planes.. you only get to that when you get to the fuel and engines...). If the planes were drones and did have missles on them to make sure they got maximum penetration, that could easily account for the extra "damage" that allowed the tower to "start falling over".

"It seems to me that it was weakened enough at that point to give way, starting a chain reaction that, as the top floors fell, the weight increased with every impact from the floors above it."

Yes, and the "weakness" of that area doesn't seem consistent with a plane collision.. And, the "pancaking" theory doens't hold because it would have taken 2.5 more seconds than it did. That is, the upper floors would have had to break free all the connections of the floor it was landing on. That sheds energy. The time lost from the shedding of the energy for the first few dozen floors has been calculated to about 2.5 seconds.. after that point, there would be so much mass moving so fast that the "structural integrity" of the lower levels would be comprimised almost instantly.. at -that- point, freefall would start. The towers (both, in an amazing defiance of physics and statistics) fell AT freefall speed, not "2 seconds longer", which is REQUIRED for the pancake theory to hold (or so I've read by people who've run the numbers).

"There are still questions to be answered . . . "

Yet, interestingly, the Administration had all the materials sent of for immidiate destruction.. Hmm.. any tests that could have been done on the materials to determine if they were up to code, or had been tampered with, or if there were remnants of bombs/demo devices, were precluded and are now impossible. Sounds fisy to me. If they were only "complicit" by letting it happen, then why hide/destroy all the rubble? Also, I"ve heard that all the steel beams were a neat X feet long.. Very little cutting needed to be done to load up all the steel on trucks to ship it out. Personall, I need to read more on that, but it seems kind of suspicious that all the support beams just happen to break into truck sized bits.. on both towers.. and the core beams didn't even withstand the pancaking, which they seem should have to a degree.

The behaviors of this administration have ensured the truth never comes out about Sept. 11, 2001. Couple that with the fact that they are STILL using it to justify their illegal invasion of Iraq and you have some pretty serious doubts about the official story. Combine all that with PNAC and their need for "a new pearl harbor" to kick things off, and you get a very ugly picture that we'll never be able to sort out because all the facts and information and evidence has been tainted/destroyed. And, it's not like this is beyond our government.. they have done some pretty shitty things in our past that we know of, and were planning things that were pretty bad (that seemingly didn't come to pass).

Make no mistake, we're dealing with psychos here. And it's not just possible, but probable that they were involved in Sept. 11, 2001 in more ways than just being complicit.

If you watch this video, you'll see that our government came to the absurd conslusion that they don't know how WTC-7 fell down implosion style, but owner Larry Silverstein said WTC-7 was "pulled" with knowledge of the NYC police/firemen/etc... Just for this one discrepancy alone, there should be an investigation, but there are 100 legitimate questions about 9/11 by experts that have been suppressed or not answered.

No skyscraper EVER fell due to fire before or after 9/11, and 3 fell implosion style on the same day. A skyscraper in Madrid was on fire top to bottom for days and did not fall, it shows in this video. Many people, it's documented, had fore-knowledge of the WTC's falling, and were told to keep away or get out. DOCUMENTED EMAILS & IM'S!!! FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!

...AND... one of Bush's brothers was in charge of the WTC company in charge of security. How come we weren't told this??? That's not important? And this security company ran many drills and evacuations the weeks prior to 9/11. There are witnesses, they aren't being told by the MSM.

The irony of a celebrity saving us from ourselves, or at least from the consequences of our abdication of our responsibilities as citizens of a participatory democracy, is most delicious. When we do wake up, it's gonna be most unsavory--the more secure you are in your perceptions of how the world works, the more you're going to flip out when the veil of maya is lifted. Here's what to tell the uninitiated, to break their fall just a little: first, read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the U.S." Then, William Blum's "Rogue State." For those of you with some idea of how deep the doo-doo does go, check this list: http://www.whatreallyhap...m/usinterventionism.html
Lastly, beware of Perry Logan--he is not unaffiliated with secretive organizations...shanti

Sheesh. "Information Age." We've given way more than enough evidence to the skeptical. Res ipsa loquitur! The thing speaks for itself. If there's anyone left who is weak-minded enough to still buy the official story, let alone try to cast aspersions on those who don't, it's as scary as anything the * administration has put out for our consumption.

No one decent can be left to call this partisan. It's an Orwellian nightmare, living in this country nowadays, and made all the worse because fiction actually laid down the tracks for it to become reality.

I've never believed the manufactured story of governmental lies,for even one minute!All a person has to do is use some common sense,use lot's of time for research,and pay attention to facts that seem suspicious.Our government has deceived us for years,why should we think this would be any different?The year of 2000 election thefts have opened the door for the takeover of our country,to put PNAC in operation,and if we don't wake up soon,it will be too late!!If anyone wants a copy of Loose Change 2,I ordered mine on Ebay for $3.00,and find it impossible that anyone would NOT question this fake story we were expected to except as fact!That anyone would not want to find out the truth,is beyond my imagination!
Thanks to Charlie for having the guts to speak out,knowing how much ridicule he would generate!

Personally I'm starting to believe that the real truth lies somewhere in the middle of all of this.

We know the US government had many warnings, and that they failed to act upon them to prevent the attacks from happening. We have way too much evidence in testimony, classified documents, and memos for anyone, even Bush, to plausibly deny (the key word being "plausibly")

WHY they failed to act is another question - whether it was total incompetence on the part of upper level officials (including George W. Bush), in which case do we really want these people running the country anyway?

..or whether they saw the coming attacks as the perfect "Pearl Harbor" opportunity to implement their own agenda spelled out in the Project for a New American Century (Go to www.newamericancentury.org - and pay particular attention to the "letters" tab, particularly the signatures on the letter to Bill Clinton back in the late 90's. Any of those names look familiar?)

I have to wonder if, knowing the plan was already made, some enterprising people might have decided to 'help it along' - to completely destroy the towers by explosives if the planes didn't cause enough damage.

The most telling part of all of it to me was the reaction of the President afterward. If the attacks were totally unexpected, even if HE didn't know what to do (he did sort of have that doe in the headlights look), the Secret Service would have IMMEDIATELY moved him to a secure location. The video clip of him sitting totally calm for seven minutes after being told of the attacks should have clued EVERYONE in to the fact that something wasn't quite right about the story we were being fed. (And we won't even go into his comment about seeing the second plane hit the building)

As far as the 'plane' that went into the Pentagon - as someone said in earlier remarks, all they'd have to do to prove the story they fed us is real is to release the video tapes. Anyone able to come up with a good reason why they won't?

No one's mentioned the fourth plane here (unless I missed it), but Cheney at one point said that Bush had ordered any remaining planes shot down once the WTC was hit - he later said he didn't have to give the order. There are other anomolies I won't go into about here, but you can read at http://www.adequacy.org/...001.10.21.153123.26.html and several other places and see for yourself which story sounds most plausible.

Again, apply Occam's razor - that theory which requires the fewest leaps of logic is probably the right one.

Personally it was Dr David Griffith's presentation that hammered in the last nail for me, but hey, ya know, if it takes a celebrity to bring the questions into focus for the rest of America, then so be it. (I really miss my hero, Carl Sagan, these days - wonder what he'd have made of all of this.)

There's just too much that doesn't add up. I think we deserve some answers.

PERRY LOGAN: You dumb idiot.. 75% of what you listed is pure fabrication...

Oh btw... Perry Logan belives in:
-The world was created 5000 years ago
-Dinosaur didnt exist
-Osama Bin Laden created the aid virus

Feel free to add more..

Lort help me, Kestrel, I really wonder, these days, just what it is we deserve.

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Firefighters, police officers, paramedics, building tenants, and witnesses on the ground all reported a "belt" of explosions and flashes preceding the collapse on all four sides of the towers.

EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY
http://www.911truth.org/...?story=20060118104223192

Roger #110

I too find it hard to accept that our government would do such a thing, but I guess that is kind of a "knee jerk" reaction based on the theory that our governments is our protector.

Unfortunatelly this administration seems to have only their own fortune to look after - the rest of us be damned.

I'm still looking at all that I can find, but from what I've seen it doesn't look good.

KestrelBrighteyes #118 said:

"(And we won't even go into his comment about seeing the second plane hit the building)"

I think you're referring to his comment that he watched the FIRST plane hit the tower on live TV.

The Website www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com has an article about William Rodriquez, A twenty year maintenance man at the WTC. He said that explosions went off in the basement before the planes even hit the tower. Lots of stuff about a lot of different things. Good Read. I also read that the electricity was turned off in the towers the weekend before 9-11. Mr. Rodriquez says he saw Atta in the wtc before 9-11. Lots of coincidences? I have done a lot of study on this also and have come to believe that if it wasn't planned, they sure the hell did not try to stop it. I've also read that 6 or 7 of the supposed hijackers have been found alive in their home countries. They believe their identities had been stolen. What was on the pallet covered in blue tarps that was taken off pentagon grounds by Rummy? Guess we'll never know!

Look at the evidence and decide for your self.
http://fpiarticle.blogsp...-video-loose-change.html
I want to know why the worlds most outstanding symbol of power, the pentagon, has 4 frames of low res camera footage of the whole fucking side of a building considered the most secure in the world. That puzzles no one? None of the after shots add up. Where is the plane. The lawn in front of the crash site was unburned. and exposed offices were un touched by fire. Where is the plane?
Give me something more convincing than what we have been fed. In this day of cameras where is the evidence to the contary.
There too many questionable images and sound bites. Get a copy of In Plane Sight and keep an open mind and watch it.

In highschool in 1964 I played O'brien in our senior rendition of Orwell's, 1984. We thought his vision extraordinary and not remotely possible. We thought the real future and 1984 would probably never get here. Bobby and John and Martin were dead.
If you don't think your government will sacrifice Innocents and Personel to keep there agendas, just gaze far to the east.

Let me ask you again Mr. Bush
what was the real reason you invaded Iraq?

Chuck, my point exactly. At a minimum, to my accounting, the Admin attacked the Pentagon, not terrorists. The story of a 757 hitting it is too bullshit, there's no physical evidence to support that assertion.

The scary bit is, the fighters that were diverted over the ocean might have been blowing up the passenger liners. Someone postulated that they could have signaled the pilots of the liners to head out to sea because they were being hijacked.. then fighter pilots could have been told those planes had hijackers on board and needed to be shot down. All this could have happened with NO HIJACKERS AT ALL. Then the government could have flown drones (with missle launchers and other structure weakening materials as cargo) into the towers. Airliners gone, people dead, families saying "what, are you nuts? Flight 77 IS GONE! of course it hit the Pentagon!".. while it slowly sinks to the bottom of the ocean..

Nothing about the Pentagon adds up. All the tower materials were hurried off with no inspection.. and tower 7 was not hit, but fell anyway (and was owned by the guy that owned the other 2 towers).

Stinky, no matter how you look at it.

I no longer believe the party line about 9/11, just as I didn't buy for a minute the flight 800 story.

This explains some and then there's the flight 93 thing I just learned about.. No bodies at the crash site? And 2 planes seem to have landed in Ohio?

This whole thing stinks ass hard.. and we might never know just what the hell happened. Why? Because Shrubby doesn't want anyone to know.. He and his friends are getting filthy rich and running amok with power because of this, they would never let that go.

It appears Sheen is not in the minority when it comes to his beliefs regarding 9/11.

CNN Poll

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes 84% 34787 votes
No 16% 6777 votes

Total: 41564 votes

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

In July 2001, Alex Jones Warned of Globalist Plan to Use Bin Laden to Attack America

During the months of July and August 2001, Alex Jones ran a campaign which he dubbed 'Expose the Government Terrorists' on both his TV and radio shows. He encouraged people to call the White House and tell them not to go ahead and launched the staged terror attack that would become the foundation of their push for martial law.

On Wednesday July 25th 2001, during a taping of Alex's local cable access TV show in Austin, Texas, he elaborated on how the Globalists were set to use their operative Osama bin Laden and that the preparations for a terror attack were in their final stages.

Alex didn't have a crystal ball, he merely studied the elite's propaganda and was able to connect the dots and make a prediction that would materialize on September 11, 2001.

See for yourself:

http://video.google.com/...1536024&q=Alex+Jones

Savanster: How come the skyscraper in Madrid did not fall when engulfed for days top to bottom with flames, and the WTC towers fell in minutes with LOCALIZED FLAMES only at the point of impact of the planes? Can anyone explain that one??? And I will repeat: NO SKYSCRAPERS EVER FELL DUE TO FIRE, BEFORE OR AFTER 9/11...BUT 3 (THE ONLY 3 EVER) FELL ON THE SAME DAY DUE TO FIRE!!! And a localized fire at the point of impact, and in minutes not days, and all 3 "implosion style" fell in their own footprints. ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE ACCORDING TO SCIENCE AND PHYSICS!!!

Keep in mind, politicians told us the story of 19 hijackers, and scientists and witnesses tell us a different story. Do you believe politicians or scientists and witnesses??? Who told us the story of the 19 hijackers?

And they found one of the hijackers identification at the scene. Right! Unscathed, to boot. Yet, temperatures melted steel, but didn't faze one of the hijackers identification. Right!

Big Dan, the one difference is that the WTCs had structural damage in addition to the fires. The planes actually ripped out some of the supporting steel when they hit.

Though, the collapse from that would NOT be consistent with a "straight down pancake effect" anyway..

I still don't buy that "just the planes" would have been enough to drop both buildings like that. Drop the top off, and rip off X floors below the damage when the tops "fell over", sure, but neither collision was "on center", nor were they "all the way through consistently".. since you'd have to pretty much be near center and "all the way through" (even damage across the entire width of the building) to have a "pancake" that went "straight down", it makes the official excuse (while possible under certian circumstances, perhaps) even less plausable.. at least in my mind.

Gravity and Physics don't lie. They can't be cheated yet either.

If they'd pancaked, it would have taken a LOT longer for them to come all the way down. They each took about 10 seconds to drop, when freefall speed would have been 9.2 seconds. If they had pancaked, each succeeding floor would have added x amount of time to the collapse. It would have taken at least twice as long, probably much longer, and not straight into their footprints, and there would have been chunks of concrete instead of POWDER. No way could a pancake collapse, even bending the laws of physics for them to have been brought straight down, have left molten steel at the bases of the towers, and building 7, WEEKS after 9/11. That had to be the chemical reaction continuing from explosives. Brother Marvin was in charge of WTC security, guys.

Operation Northwoods:

In 1962 the Joint Chiefs of Staff were going to paint a plane like a commercial airliner and swap it with a real one. Then they were gonna shoot it down and blame Castro for it. Then go to war against Cuba using this fake terrorism.

I think maybe they finally got around to it on Sept 11, 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/...iki/Operation_Northwoods

We all support Charlie Sheen and appreciate what he has done for the truth. THANK YOU CHARLIE!!!!! The truth cannot stay silent forever.

Ask yourself simple questions why your don't see this stuff on The mainstream media. Watch The News. Then ask yourself why will they not report on this story and when they do all they can do is make fun of a his life and make it seem like non sense.

Then Do a search of detention camps with that company who gets alot of contracts with the gov.

Then question why there are 600 of these in the US.
and what are the reasons for these and why doesn't the media report on these to explain what they would be used for.

Now watch your news again look right now who is protest in the us against labor laws. Ask yourself how come nothing has been done about this till it got too far out of hand.

Now before you call me crazy realize what your cable media channels are reporting about the war and how they are reporting it one channel in mind fox. watch carefully how they distort the truth about lets say foreign politics.

And watch the stories of the next epidemic called the bird flu.

Now put all these together and look where your going to spend your next summer vacation.

now look at all the events that proceeded the day.

Now If you can remember those famous words I forget who said them
If your not with us your against us

now read the new patriot act.

now watch the the news and realize hey wait a minute I never read this before but I think Maybe someone has.....what's this crazy sentator from wis talkin about. what a jerk he just wants to be president. Gol' Darn Democrats. did he say sensor

Say to yourself I wonder what are the top 100 searches on the internet I'll just take a look. Wow hot babes lol Shannon Elizabeth what a babe maybe I'll just sidetrack myself with the hot babe. Oh wait what heck is this Charlie Sheen. Oh ok I'll just play along so I can prove that crazy nut wrong.

Wow if most of the public is searching this up isn't it news why do they not report it. Ok I'll click on a link to see what they say. Yep just as I thought another sex crazed coke head with problem I was right all the while.

Wow that was a relief now I can go back to my happy life.

Point here IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN THEY GUY read up on the subect yourself.

This may seem like a joke and others would want you believe it is a joke.

Charlie isn't the guy who made up the consiracy he just a guy who read up on the stuff. And like others had doubts about the official story. When a person or person give you the run around does it not make you question if they are honest. Wouldn't you want the truth about stuff that has an Impact you.

I may make a joke of it and not give you striaght answers on this it up to you to research it. Try to follow my joke set by step. humor yourself.

I really doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

hey whats this euro dollar oils stuff may be I'll check that out later.....but first back th Shannon Elizabeth.....yahhh

The psyops part of 911 has caught my interest. One reason for that is the massive effort psyops has become (link here).

It is all out in the open:

"The Air Force’s Concept of Operations for Information Operations, 6 February 2004, organizes all the facets of information operations into three categories: network-warfare operations, electronic-warfare operations, and influence operations (which include PSYOP). Combining PSYOP, whether offensive or defensive, with electronic-warfare and network-warfare operations can greatly enhance its effectiveness. The Air Force is taking a hard look at the realm of PSYOP and influence operations to assure that its information-operations planners know how to coordinate with the joint PSYOP task force during both planning and execution" (link here, bold added).

If a massive inside job happens anywhere, such as a traitorous 911, there will always be massive psyops to assist in covering up the real scenario. Diversion, obfuscation, and disinformation.

I have read a lot of the posts here, and there is clear evidence that the psyops are getting into the thinking of those who suspect a conspiracy.

Many statements here are a combination of fact and fiction, which is called grey-ops. Paid government agents pose as civilians, experts, or folk hero types to skew the picture.

One good thing is that those on the inside are also working for the people. And they leak info from time to time and we then have another clue.

Hard questions being asked on Bradblog. Good to see.

Some of the best 911 articles in 2005.Mind you theres a lot more...peace,pw

This one paper has turned the academia
world upsidedown when it comes to 9-11 the last 4 months
Steven E. Jones, Brigham Young Physics Professor, Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, Toppled WTC
http://www.physics.byu.e...esearch/energy/htm7.html

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TVNL Editor's Comments: Today(11-22-05) is the anniversary of the murder of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. President Kennedy's murder stands as an example of how a coup can take place in America, how a conspiracy to conduct a coup can work and how successful the cover up can be.

For those of you who do not think that the Bush/PNAC administration could have conducted a coup by rigging elections and you do not think an atrocity like 9/11 could contain the fingerprints of insiders, read your history books. Today is the anniversary of the prime example of the fact that conspiracies and cover-ups take place in America, even if it means killing Americans. Never forget that! Think about it! - Jesse, Editor, TvNewsLIES.org
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The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie (completely discredits & dismantles OUR Govt 9-11 story...pw)
by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005
http://www.911truth.org/...?story=20050523112738404
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Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'
By Greg Szymanski
http://www.arcticbeacon....rticle/1518131/27302.htm
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Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As 'Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter'
By Greg Szymanski
http://www.arcticbeacon....om/page/page/1518131.htm
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FBI Claims 84 Videos
Show NO Flight 77 Impact
By Jon Carlson
carlson.jon@att.net
10-8-5
http://www.rense.com/general67/fbicl.html

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http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/

Professor at University of Minnesota Duluth Supports 9/11 Truth Movement

THINKING ABOUT "CONSPIRACY THEORIES": 9/11 and JFK

James H. Fetzer

As an expression of support for those who are attempting to expose the truth about the events of 9/11 for the benefit of the American people, I am posting the penultimate version of a chapter I have submitted to David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott for publication in their volume, 9/11 AND THE AMERICAN EMPIRE (forthcoming). I stand with Steve Jones, Professor of Physics at Brigham Young, David Ray Griffin, Professor Emeritus of Theology at Claremont, and other students and scholars of 9/11, who believe that extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. Further discussion may be found at NIST's Evasion.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
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This one paper has turned the academia
world upsidedown when it comes to 9-11
Steven E. Jones, Brigham Young Physics Professor, Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, Toppled WTC
http://www.physics.byu.e...esearch/energy/htm7.html
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9/11, Iraq & PNAC - The Connection is Clear & Undeniable
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=181
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9-11 Bottom Line: Explosives in the WTC
by Victor Thorn
http://www.wingtv.net/911bottomline.html
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A Personal Decision
By Kevin Ryan
June 9th 2005
http://www.911truth.org/...?story=20050611100454443
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TvNewsLIES Challenges Believers of the Official Version of 9/11:
Where the Hell Is YOUR Proof?
"In the late 1990’s members of the Project for a New American Century wrote a treatise in which they foresaw a strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination that would require a huge increase in defense spending. “The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” The members of this group, known as PNAC, were appointed to many high level positions in the new Bush administration. Only months after they came to power, the United States experienced a new Pearl Harbor. That has never been publicized or explained as anything other than mere coincidence...."
http://tvnewslies.org/ht...ell_is_your_9_11_pr.html
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There are many great websites that prove the Bush adminstration PLANNED
ORCHESTRATED 9-11...heres a few of them...peace,pw

www.reopen911.org/
www.911blogger.com
www.geocities.com/killtown/
www.StandDown.net/
www.911truth.org
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911links.html
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With each passig day more and more American citizens
are learning the truth about 9-11.
And the truth is that the Bush adminstration Planned and Orchestrated 9-11
and i'm here to offer you the proof for free.
send me your mailing address and i will send you the DVD
"CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE"
or you can order it here https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php
peace,pw

Everyone here that gets it. The best to you. Don't stop spreading awareness, it is a thankless fesponsibility. I for one have known of this for years, thank you Charlie for peaking awareness.

Stop by the shop, click the e-mail address and drop me a line!

http://www.cafepress.com/aroseisarose

How's this for a conspiracy theory?

Alex Jones, in JULY 2001, predicts a terrorist attack on US Soil and Bin Laden being blamed for it...

Here is the Video Link

Alex Jones was saying two months before the 9/11 attacks that the globalist elite were going to attack the city of New York and blame it on CIA asset Osama bin Laden. Alex Jones had a campaign in July into September 2001 asking people to call the White House and Congress to tell them that we know that the U.S. government is planning to carry out terrorist attacks in order to blame CIA asset Osama bin Laden, and Alex called this campaign "Operation Expose the Government Terrorists."

9/11 WTC 'Controlled Demolition Theory' Analysis Thread

"Dredd...Many statements here are a combination of fact and fiction"

Exactly why there should be a public debate between our government and the scientists & professors who disagree with our government's story. Why has there been no public debate? There are many legitimate questions, and our politician's story doesn't make sense. We all know it. Charlie Sheen knows it. He's just saying what we're saying.

Excellent to see this discussion here on BradBlog. It's about time the progressive blogs and media take 9/11 truth seriously. Just scanning the comments here gives me hope that people are waking up to our TRUE nightmare: that the real terrorists are WITHIN our government. And, of course it's not the entire government --- but Cheney and Rumsfeld in particular were likely involved. How else to explain the stand-down orders and the failure of NORAD?

You people who think we're nut-jobs to question the official story have a lot of waking up to do. We're the true patriots and we're seeing through the lies --- ALL of the lies, not just the WMD, etc.

The evidence is overwhelmingly AGAINST the account fed to us by BushCo and the corporate media. If you categorically refuse to look at the evidence (as presented in numerous films, books, and web sites), you are a victim of BushCo. Wake up now. Watch Loose Change Second Edition on google videos. Read the books by David Ray Griffin and Michael Ruppert. Watch Barry Zwicker's "The Great Conspiracy" on google videos. Read 911blogger.com and start taking the red pill.... if you dare.... and become a true patriot.

Peace!

Thank you so much Brad for having the balls that AmericaBlog and Crooks And Liars don't. Everyone put your money/donations into bradblog and other courage people instead of those bloggers who refuse to cover 9/11 inquiry.

It is encouraging to see people ask about PNAC and admit that they don't know what it is. Google "Project For The New American Century", its an official US government website and there is a section written in public view about needing "A New Pearl Harbour" in order to have their endless war on terror, and it was written up, posted and planned BEFORE 9/11. Can someone paste the quote in here for those who asked about PNAC and the direct link to it?

PS-that list up there about Alex is full of lies and some of it (world leaders worshipping Molech) is true. Look at his stuff yourself and make up your own mind.

Thanks Charlie!!

9/11 brought to by ‘Frauds-R-Us’

Thank you brad blog for your courage. I am very unhappy with other bloggers for not standing up.

Does anyone else find it uncanny and suspicious that they are finally just NOW deciding to release 9/11 phone call tapes to victims families?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/...WTC.911.calls/index.html

We already know we have the technology to take a voice and make it say anything we want, just look at all the online videos of George Bush where we twist them around comically to make it sound like he's saying what he means instead of what he actually said. They know the public is waking up and we are blowing the lid off the lie, and they are trying to put their tooth fairy version of 9/11 back into place before it blows.

CrooksandLiars.com is banning people for talking about 9/11 truth. fuck them, BradBlog and RawStory shit all over those cowards. boycott C&L.

sorry for the coma. i meant to say fuck C&L. BradBlog and Raw Story are clearly better.

ANDI said "Thank you so much Brad for having the balls that AmericaBlog and Crooks And Liars don't."

Agreed --- and, I would add to that list: Democratic Underground, Truthout, and Common Dreams. They're valuable sites in many ways, but their owners are TERRIFIED of being associated with 9/11 truth. Just goes to show how successfully BushCo's "you're either with us, or against us" has been, even within the progressive/alternative media. I used to support Truthout, but withdrew my support because of their lack of 9/11 coverage. Very disappointing.

W.R. Pitt and a few others have done a shallow job on 9/11 --- Pitt responded to my inquiry at truthout's forum (back when he used to run it) that 9/11 truth people are essentially beligerent and that he has friends in DC who witnessed the plane that hit the Pentagon.... He basically said that he doesn't buy any alternative theories.

There's a term for people on the left (like Michael Moore) who deny 9/11 truth: LEFT GATEKEEPERS.

And, as an ancillary, there's an excellent essay I read a few days ago over at Michael Ruppert's site FTW which talks about the problems with people on the left who want to "take back America."

Killing Hope, Enlivening Options
by Carolyn Baker, Ph.D.

First paragraph:

As Bush’s poll ratings continue plummeting, as the stench of Washington’s cesspool of corruption wafts across the nation, and as one courageous Senator, Russ Feingold, introduced censure of the President, I continue witnessing the clueless left clutching teddy bears and hoping that somehow, some way, the 2008 elections offer the promise of “taking back America,” a phrase that I have come to loathe in the last five years as the nation sinks more blatantly and precariously into the quicksand of fascism. Although I have long ago said my good-byes to “hope,” I cautiously embrace options, and in the following essay, I intend to clarify the difference between the two and enumerate a few of the options I have come to believe are available to those who clearly recognize that we are living in a fascist empire locked into the Terminal Triangle of Peak Oil, global climate change, and planetary economic meltdown.

I used to dislike Information Clearinghouse because of the lack of 9/11 coverage there, but for some time now they have been covering 9/11 truth right along all the other articles. Fantastic!

They've got some excellent videos there. In particular, 9/11 Special --- the Dutch national television broadcast of an amazing documentary featuring Michael Meacher, former British MP and Andreas von Bulow, former German defense minister. Check it out here:

9/11 Special - Dutch Television Documentary

Ive been trying to spread this story around...the media is mainly damning Sheen. He needs our support. Lets give it too him.

Beware that some 'progressive' media are ignoring this story, as has www.axisoflogic.com ..i emailed it to them, but they havent put it on their site.

Brad, do you think you could have a little sit down with the two big John's (Crooks and Liars & America Blog) and let them know that it's safe now to post about 9/11, its not fringy or extreme and they don't have to worry about their precious "credibility" anymore? They don't have to wait until its safer and more mainstream because it IS mainstream now, with CNN & Boston Globe and others publishing it? I hope you could, thanks regardless for all you've done today.

Brad, do you think you could have a little sit down with the two big John's (Crooks and Liars & America Blog) and let them know that it's safe now to post about 9/11, its not fringy or extreme and they don't have to worry about their precious "credibility" anymore? They don't have to wait until its safer and more mainstream because it IS mainstream now, with CNN & Boston Globe and others publishing it? I hope you could, thanks regardless for all you've done today.

PS-You can cite the CNN poll where 84% of almost 50 000 voters agree with Charlie Sheen that the government is covering up 9/11:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

whoops! I guess I mean the guest blogger David, not Brad. But thank you both anyway.

LOL Fox News not one ounce of the real topic

Scary isn't it when the truth hits

Alex Jones on CNN #2
http://prisonplanet.com/...06showbiztonightalex.htm

Alex Jones on CNN #1
http://prisonplanet.com/...2006/240306alexvideo.htm

CNN reports Sheen's 9/11 observations
http://infowars.net/arti...2006/230306Sheen_CNN.htm

Treasonous Hannity & Colmes reports on Sheen's 9/11 interview - Unfair and Unbalanced - Absolutely no facts allowed on Australian Jewish Fox News - Fox literally ordered Mishpucka Mafia Kosher Nostra murder contract on Sheen and Jones - Absolutely pathetic excuse for a "news" broadcast for anyone with an IQ over 50
http://infowars.com/arti...nity_colmes_comments.htm

Alex Jones' CATV interview of Charlie Sheen
http://infowars.com/vide...charlie_sheen_911_wm.htm

Bush Jr's 9/11 alibi in the Dead Zone of the West Wing - Charlie Sheen has at least one thing in common with George Bush: His father played the president on TV for a very long time - By Pirate News TV
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6733.php

Alex Jones Remixed Music Videos
by Pirate News TV and Revere Radio Network
1 hour
http://archive.org/details/AlexJonesRemixed

Pirate News 9/11 Video Archive
http://piratenews.org/video-archive.html
http://September911Surprise.com

Transcript of CNN interview with Alex Jones
http://transcripts.cnn.c...IPTS/0603/24/sbt.01.html

Alex Jones interviews Charlie Sheen
http://infowarsmedia.com...00306sheen_comm_free.mp3

Operation NORTHWOODS - Robot airliners with fake passenger lists of CIA agents blown up by remote control, hiring enemy soldiers to attack US military bases, assassinations and bombings in Washington DC, all perped by the US Government, under treasonous orders from the White House
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsar...v/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

ABC News: Friendly Fire - Operation NORTHWOODS
http://abcnews.go.com/US...tory?id=92662&page=1

USAF Remotely Piloted Aircraft and Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Strategic Vision 2005
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123017981

US Air Force Robot Museum - Radio controlled robot aircraft in World War One and mechanical robot aircraft in US Civil War, Operation Aphrodite robot bombers in World War 2, 3,500 robot missions in Vietnam Wars, 100,000 hours of Predator robot aircraft and 10,000 hours of Global Hawk robot flights since 2000
http://geocities.com/killer_robot_jetplanes

London Daily Mail - 9/11 ON TRIAL - The plot by America’s military bosses was devilish in both design and intent – to fabricate an outrage against innocent civilians, fool the world and provide a pretext for war. In the pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane’s designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro’s Communists – and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime. This ‘agent provocateur’ plan – code named OPERATION NORTHWOODS and revealed in official archives – dates from 1962 when the Cold War was at its height. The Northwoods plan is crucial to the argument presented in a hugely provocative – many would say fantastical – yet, at times, genuinely disturbing new analysis of 9/11.
http://www.financialoutr...911_mainstream_media.htm

"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."
—USAma bin Laden, CNN News, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/.../16/inv.binladen.denial/

They hide behind the familys of 9/11
why don't they just bring on the families of the 9/11
or is there a gag order on these families?
....like the firemen

Stop hiding behind the innocent and and show your real face...its so predictable

Can't what to hear those newly found 911 calls (Note when they advertise this the say news outlets will recieve edited versions....HUH?) and part of them only

Love the writes of this crap at least sheen will be able to make on great movie about something like this.

OH no the steel is melting what should I do. This is Mrs Olson.

yeah, but it also isnt clear yet whether these tapes are coming from people phoning from the planes (not even sure how thats possible???) or people who were just phoning from the WTC.

I second the motion. Brad has the balls to report on e-vote fraud & 9/11. That's why this is the best site. It's better than Crooks&Liars, AmericaBlog, DailyKOS, & HuffingtonPost. Way better. Brad doesn't report on anything that isn't important (in my opinion). Raw Story is a very, very close second. And BlackBoxVoting.org is in a class all by themselves, because they strictly report on e-vote fraud.

Some one needs to put a burning bag of dog poop on Murdocks porch and ring the bell. Every one is talking about this and yes CNN is a main stream media station, but they still have given it the same amount of coverage and Tom Cruse and South Park. These people are sick and its easy to prove that they are trying to control our opinions.

They never attack the facts ..Just the person....I wish I was famous enough to get myself killed for speaking out about this. Alex and Charlie are both risking there lives. They would already be dead if they thought they could get away with it... It would force all these issues into the main stream and there not ready for that yet..... THANK YOU BRAD FOR LETTING PEOPLE DISCUSE THIS ON YOUR BLOG.....Your one of the good guys too... Thanks
Gary

Amen to that Gary (and Im not religious!)

9/11 was an inside job:

http://911blogger.com/

All I can say is, Brad? 164 comments & counting? Pretty good subject!!!

Hey charlie look into a liable suit for FOX NEWS claiming there FAIR AND BALANCED since there claiming you made up all these therorys and they know you haven't. Ask yourself why there miss Quoting you purposely.

Shhh....must be quiet before the O'Rielly police come a knockin

Keith Olbermann, Keith Olbermann, Keith Olbermann

There I said it....I feel better now

I would like to request Fox to bring back there #1 news reporter BAGHDAD BOB
Aleast everyone would laugh

Thank you Brad!!! Thank you Thank you.

I've been trying to get some other favorite blogs to post on this and they won't touch it. Very frustrating.

If this all new to you, check out some serious critique of the 9/11 Commission here;

http://www.gnn.tv/B12001

Thanks for covering this.

Thanks BradBlog for covering this...

Hopefully, this will be an interesting week.

Here is all of the CNN Coverage from last week...

All Of Showbiz Tonight's Coverage Of 9/11 - Video Inside

Here is some of Fox New's "coverage"...

Hannity & Colmes Talk About Charlie Sheen - Video Inside

A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE to everyone who helped to record last week's shows!!!

www.911blogger.com
www.yourbbsucks.com
www.stoplying.ca

Make sure you go to www.911truth.org

Big Dan #167
This is definitely one of the most active threads I've seen here. It's great to see all the new folks too!
I see the trolls bailed early on this one.

brand spanking new open thread at amercia blog everyone. Come on over!

Jonathan Gold #172
Are you the same Jon Gold found here at Raw Story?

Jon has a very long list of links in the comments section of the Novak article there.

Guess I have a lot more to read now.

Yes, that's me.

9/11 IS A MIND GAME, DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN!

Though it may be gratifying to finally hear 9/11 issues from a celebrity like Charlie Sheen presented on a prominent news outlet like CNN, everyone should be very cautious about recent developments. We must realize that the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks, are the same people who killed JFK, completely getting away with it! These folks are very clever people and are past masters at manipulating and fooling us. Don't think for one minute that all this 9/11 stuff just suddenly came out all by itself! This could very well be their way of trying to preempt a truly independent, popular 9/11 movement from taking hold in this country. This could also be a way to harness our energy and direct it into meaningless pursuits.

Please note that Sheen and others are calling for a "new investigation" of 9/11. This is exactly how they handled the JFK case. In fact after many years of stonewalling, Congress actually did open a new JFK investigation, yet few people today even remember it! These criminals are not about to open a new 9/11 investigation any time soon. So as long as people are led off down that rabbit trail, it’s better for them! Far more important than a new investigation of 9/11, is for as many Americans as possible, to take this opportunity to take advantage of the mountain of information uncovered by independent 9/11 investigators and do their own personal investigations of 9/11! Only in this way will enough of us come to realize who our true enemies are, and just how absurd the government's official 9/11 story really is! Due to the rigid censorship practiced by the mainstream media, Americans today are handicapped with pandemic ignorance! Few people have any clue of what's really going on here, or abroad. For this reason, we've been given a completely ridiculous explanation for 9/11, which they slipped past us, due to our tendency to accept whatever we hear from official sources without question. When you start looking at this stuff with a critical eye, it completely falls apart! The only people, who won't see this, are those who've been hopelessly brainwashed and don't want to know the truth! An information war is now raging to keep us in the dark, and brainwashed citizens are collateral damage!

Government disinformation would have us believe that 9/11 can't be understood unless one has a PHD in engineering or something, nothing could be further from the truth! The people that cracked this case on 9/12/2001 were basically concerned citizens who refused to buy a ridiculous official government account of 9/11. They took the mostly suppressed facts of 9/11 and compared them to what the government was saying. The government's official 9/11 alibi evaporated in the process! For nearly five years they've been saying what Charlie Sheen recently repeated on CNN! In an effort to bring the truth to the American people, they've been roundly ridiculed and ignored for their efforts. Their groundbreaking research is the foundation of this current eruption of 9/11 truth! All that's needed to understand that the official 9/11 story is a lie is common sense, and the will to examine the suppressed facts of 9/11 objectively. It’s that simple. The fraudulent official 9/11 story is completely destroyed when it’s compared to the actual facts of the case.

Government hoaxes like 9/11 have been perpetrated against the American people for decades and it's high time that we came to grips with this reality. Over many years, authoritative independent research has been done, which expose the Federal Reserve, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, The Cold War, JFK, The War on Drugs, OKC, 9/11, and The War on Terror to be world class hoaxes! These are but some of the more prominent hoaxes perpetrated by the same cabal of foreign and domestic special interests that control our nation via corrupt Washington politicians and bureaucrats. Americans need to understand this ASAP, and realize that 9/11 is not an isolated incident, but just the most recent, in a long line of audacious atrocities and hoaxes that have been used to alter the destiny of the U.S., directly leading us to the mess we're in today!

We're plagued by a very profound and diabolical conspiracy that goes back at least three centuries, targeting all western nations with special hatred for the U.S! This nation is right now, facing its most serious challenge, since the civil war! Don't get caught holding your breath for a new 9/11 investigation. Instead get up to speed on the truth which has been diligently hidden from you by the government/media complex. This explosive information has fortunately been uncovered by brilliant independent researchers over many years. Don't let their labors be in vain! Get to know our real enemies! By all means arm yourselves with the only knowledge that will enable you to become a truly informed, citizen "info warrior", in the information war now being waged against us! Armed with the proper understanding, you'll understand why the mainstream media is public enemy Numero Uno and should never be trusted! You'll also understand why it’s imperative that we all do our part to cast out the corrupt cabal of traitors and scoundrels called the Democrat and Republican parties! These so called "Americans" have done so much down through the years, to make hoaxes like 9/11 possible! The following links should get you started on the difficult road to becoming firmly established in the truth:

To get up to speed on the "Great Conspiracy" of which 9/11 is just one aspect, check out:

http://www.iamthewitness...dfordSmith_Freedman.html

To understand who killed JFK and why, read "Final Judgement" by Michael Collins Piper
available from American Free Press
www.americanfreepress.net

There are some excellent resources on 9/11 some of which have been mentioned in prior posts. Some of the more important ones are listed here in order of publishing:

Painful Deceptions
Painful Questions
www.erichufschmid.net

The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001 by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed and John Leonard
Can be obtained at Amazon.com

9/11 In Plane Site
http://www.911inplanesite.com

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin
Available at Amazon.com

The War On Truth: 9/11, Disinformation And The Anatomy Of Terrorism by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed
Can be obtained at Amazon.com

Loose Change
www.loosechange.com

9/11 Eyewitness
www.9/11eyewitness.com

Monti Cristo: There is one big difference between government hoaxes in the past (JFK, etc...) and 9/11: THE INTERNET!!!

Who's your favorite actor???

Sheen's First Comments After Firestorm

82% Support Sheen

A video pointing at clouds, and people calling the mainstream media conservative.

How stupid can people GET???

#180, Whaaat? WAKE UP. Come to the party. Pay attention.

Big Dan,

I wish it were that simple. There will only be a difference between JFK and 9/11, if enough of us using available resources, are actually wise enough to rise to this challenge by overcoming our crippling ignorance to unite against our common enemies. It certainly can be done, but there's still a big gap between gaining knowledge, and acting upon that knowledge in sufficient numbers. Our enemies have long ruled over us, via control of politicians and the mainstream media. We as a nation have so far shown little inclination to think for ourselves, or act on our own. We therefore aid and abet, our worst enemies. We can no longer afford to be mere pawns in the game that's being played at our expense. This very high stakes game, has now moved into 'sudden death overtime'.

Great stuff indeed Brad Blog, with 9/11 there are just so many issuses that are extremely difficult to ignore...and it's building up and up and up, and made worse by politicians exploiting it.

And I don't think I'd seen some of those photos before until this thread.

The World Trade Center was brought down by pre-positioned explosives.

911TrueStory.com

I hope this isn't out of line, but vote for BradBlog @ Koufax Awards; it ends midnight.

I think he deserves to win this.

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Monte Cristo: My point is that it was easier back then to suppress the news, without the internet. I agree with your point, though, that to legally throw these Bush administration criminals in jail would be a hard road. I agree with Dredd's psy-ops comments, too.

Big Dan,

Dredd's thinking is certainly in the right place. Its really important for as many of us as possible, to clearly understand the nature of the enemy we face. This can not be emphasized too much. On the other hand, its also important that we realize how we've been our own worst enemies in the political sense. Bush, Kerry, and their ilk, have been put into office by the unthinking actions of otherwise well-meaning citizens, following party leaders, media pundits, and entrenched bad habits!

With the help of 9/11 truth, our political power could be united and turned against such criminals, instead of being rigidly bound in their service. If we take 9/11 as a catalyst for casting off our Democrat vs Republican, left vs right, and liberal vs conservative mindset, we could actually began to turn our nation around. The truth of 9/11 calls for a revolution in America, this revolution like the 9/11 psyop directed against us, must take place in the minds of each freedom loving American.

In light of the mounting evidence: It would be incredibly naïve to dismiss the possibility that those in power orchestrated the events of 9-11. Few imagined that Stalin & Hitler were committing horrific atrocities at the time, because they willingly surrendered their scrutiny. Let's not make the same mistake. The Bush regime are belligerent, greedy, soul-less fascists. We must investigate every avenue of evidence and question authority--for the love of God and our country we must!

In Response to Mike J. of North FL,

It's your right to be a Bushenite because you're an American with a somewhat policed, somewhat gov't modified "freedom of choice". Since I've done some welding in my time and I'm assuming you haven't, let me give you some numbers:
Burning temps:
Jet fuel- Approx 1500-1700 degrees
Standard welders oxy/acetylene cutting torch tip-5800+ degrees

Have you ever cut structural steel ? Let me tell you, you have to heat the hell out of the edge of the steel a while AT 3 TIMES THE TEMP OF JET FUEL BEFORE IT WILL GET CHERRY RED BEFORE YOU PULL THE "CUT" TRIGGER !!! Then you'd better move slow or you cut will stop because the steel is NOT HOT ENOUGH !! With that said, you explain MOLTEN STEEL in the subfloors of the WTC and I'll jump on your bandwagon !!! I'm not figuring on having to brush up on my jumping skills because required temperature is a must to get a certain condition in melting steel, that's simple facts. Sorry bud, jet fuel just don't provide such a condition but I am glag Jeb Bush has done wonderful things for you. Keep an eye on 'im.

I'll just provide a short list of people who questioned the official explanation of 9-11 long before Mr. Sheen gave his interview.

* Former head of Star Wars and air force colonel, Bob Bowman
* BYU physicist Steve Jones and Clemson engineering professor Judy Wood
* Underwriters Laboratories employee Kevin Ryan (UL Certified the Steel used in the WTC)
* Former high-level Reagan appointee and prominent conservative, Paul Craig Roberts
* Former U.S. congressman Dan Hamburg
* Former chief labor economist under George W. Bush, Morgan Reynolds
* Former high-level intelligence analysts, Ray McGovern and Wayne Madsen (who briefed
presidents and vice-presidents)

Regardless of his credibility, Mr. Sheen has people like the father of Reaganomics on his side.

Doc #190

Let me add another interesting question to this discussion. Lawyers and 911 families watching the Moussaoui trial have begun to ask questions:

"Yet Moussaoui did not participate in the attacks nor --- even by the government's version of events --- did he organize, plan or fund them. A bit player at most, he was already in U.S. custody on immigration charges by September 11.

The scandal of the Moussaoui prosecution is that it is the September 11 trial by default. The men who truly merit prosecution for the 9/11 attacks, if the accusations against them are true, are escaping justice" (link here).

Why, when the Bush admin has in custody the person they claim is the 911 architect, would they not prosecute them instead of wannabe Moussaoui?

Could it be that they are being held because if they told their stories it would also add to the belief that the 911 Commission Report seems to be bogus?

Dwayne: Bush & his followers don't believe in the laws of physics. Their whole administration is "faith-based". They just ignore physics & science. It's the way the Religious Wrong wants it.

Big Dan #144

You said "exactly why there should be a public debate" on these 911 issues. I agree.

And I pose the question why did they not do this in the Moussaoui trial in my post #191 to Doc.

We must wade thru all of it, remembering as I said in post #138, that psyops, greyops, whiteops, and blackops were planned in advance if there was an inside job.

We should have had the largest investigation in history by the greatest forensic scientists. Instead we had a committee of wannabe sleuths who were handled completely by the psyops folk.

Everyone

I notice that many want to give credit to Brad for blogging this, and that is fine, however, it was David Edwards who blogged it.

Of course in conjunction with Brad in the sense that Brad has made David a BB thread originator.

So we owe thanks to both of them as well as to all the bloggers who have contributed both pro and con.

I'd like to know how many of you are being made aware of this for the first time.
For me, 2 years+.

Chuck #195

I knew it on 911, like Winter Patriot. Check this out: link here

check out 911Truth.org

They have a march at CNN HQ scheduled for Wednesday.

I am fearful that this story will suffocate and not be pursued further. I also fear we are preaching to the choir too much, and even moreso I fear that most of the people who SHOULD look into this don't want to, for one reason or another.

I just hope a debate can be sparked from this. A real debate, on television, by people on both sides of the story here.

I was so irate when I first heard of the 9/11 conspiracy, or at least that the Bush Administration knew about it ahead of time & let it happen, that I called the FBI in Springfield.
Yes, I did.
I gave my name & told them my concerns & I asked them to investigate.
They listened & said, "Thank you" & hung up.

I figured they wouldn't do anything, except get a good laugh, but I did my duty as a citizen in good faith by reporting it to them. I did my part. If everybody called them with their concerns it would be hard to ignore.

Let's not forget, they ARE one of the major agencies that we pay taxes for, that has the job of protecting us from events like 9/11. The FBI SHOULD have stopped 9/11 before it happened but failed in their duty to protect America.

It's like "dumb & dumber"--the way the FBI & the CIA refuse to share information with each other.
Hey! You're supposed to be working TOGETHER to protect us---dim wits!
When you see just how poorly our agencies are run & just how stupid they act---I mean, hiding info from each other to "win" some kind of espionage game in their heads--while the country is the loser of their "game"--it's very frightening & disheartening.

Chuck #195

I first caught wind of this about 1 1/2 years ago when I came across 911truth.org.
I don't recall where I got the link to it.

I think we all knew on 9/11; we just were too horrified to think it. That was a direct assault on the intersection of patriotism and rational thinking. When one threatens the other, sense very often loses. I knew it as I saw it, but made myself keep an open mind for as long as I could. THAT was unpatriotic of me. Not wanting to believe something this horrific to the exclusion of ones own understanding of the laws of physics ends up contributing to everything that follows from it. Nobody wants our reality to be this radically changed. To admit it means unacceptable change.

Problem is: The unacceptable change has HAPPENED. If we don't face it, how are we going to FIX it?

The thing that drives me nuts is that there are AMERICANS out there who can blow this thing wide open, save untold lives, and put the real terrorists behind bars and it's not happening.

Dredd: What are your thoughts about how Kansas Republican Senator ALWAYS seems to rear his head to squash/mislead/strike testimony on all hugely important issues that come up...like 9/11 & the NSA wiretapping. Does anyone else notice this? And he's stonewalling the 2nd phase of the 9/11 commission, who's objective was to find out if the Bush administration purposely mislead us into war?

What exactly is up with GOP Sen. Pat Roberts? What is his role in all of this?

re: Chuck #195

i knew the instant i saw the towers fall that morning that it was black ops theatre on a scale never seen before. the collapses were to fast, too complete, and too symmetrical. add to that the length of time the planes were in the air with ZERO interceptions, and i could come to no other conclusion. those were my initial gut instincts, long before i thought about wtc 7 or any of the rest of the questions that have come to light since then.

we've covered the subject intensively on our show since sept. 11th 2002. this wednesday we'll be featuring an interview with david ray griffin, where he will discuss the 9/11 oral histories and eyewitness testimony to the controlled demolition explosives. listen in wed. at 1pm pacific: www.kpfa.org - 94.1fm berkeley

Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

http://www.911truth.org/...?story=20060118104223192

I just would like to say about time we all stand up to these Liers in the White House and Charlie Sheen is a Hero to me,I also wanted to add that I have just sent a letter online to the LA Times with my own Comments,just spearding the word and doing what ever I can to add to the truth,God Bless Charlie Sheen and many more that will deside to stand up to the "Lying Bush Administration its about time...

The MSM is complicit in this. This would be fully investigated if it was in the MSM, and 3 years ago!!! Same thing with e-vote fraud & the fabrication of reasons by the Bush administration for the Iraq War. If it wasn't for the internet, we would not know any of this. How would we know??? That's why so many people know 9/11 was a hoax. Years ago, you only had what they told you in newspapers & on MSM television. Where else did you get information from?

Ginny, re: #37

Saw the latest edition of Loose Change. I like the use of google earth and cgi, but it's not quite what I meant. That is more for presentation purposes, while what I'm talking about is a scientific reconstruction of scenes, accurate physics calculations, image analysis and so on. There's so much footage, it surpises me that it hasn't been done many times over by now.

Here are some goodies for you...

All Of Showbiz Tonight's Coverage Of 9/11 - Video Inside

Helen Thomas Speaks Of The PNAC, And The President's Desire For Iraq - Video Inside

Hannity & Colmes Talk About Charlie Sheen - Video Inside

Leslie Nielson Makes A Point In Scary Movie 4 - Video Inside

A Fallen Hero - Video Inside

Lee Hamilton Questioned About Dr. David Ray Griffin On C-SPAN - Video Inside

4th Anniversary - Donna Marsh O'Connor At The United Nations - Video Inside

Wesley Clark Says We Need To Investigate 9/11 - Video Inside

Norman Mineta's Omitted And Covered Up 9/11 Commission Testimony - Video Inside

Can You Imagine? - Video Inside

Alex Jones Predicts 9/11 On 7/25/2001 - Video Inside

In the Name of Sibel Edmonds - Video Inside

Enhanced Tucker Carlson/Steven E. Jones Footage With Commentary - Video Inside

Jersey Girls Call For The Resignation Of Philip Zelikow, March 2003 - Video Inside

The Lone Gunmen, First Episode - A Review Of The New Wargames Timeline - Video Inside

Former Defense Minister of Canada Speaks About 9/11 - Video Inside

KUTV Coverage Of Professor Stephen E. Jones - Video Inside

Dr. Robert Bowman Gives A Great Lecture - Video Inside

Rep. Cynthia McKinnney Questions Rumsfeld, Myers About 9/11 Wargames - Video Inside

911CitizensWatch.org's C-SPAN Appearances - Video Inside

9/11 Revisited: Were Explosives Used To Bring Down The Buildings - Video Inside

Professor Steven E. Jones' Lecture About WTC Collapse - Video Inside

Janice Matthews Lectures About 9/11 At The OKCB Truth Convergence - Video Inside

Condoleeza Rice Questioned About August 6th PDB At The 9/11 Commission - Video Inside

Don't forget to tell your friends...

www.911blogger.com
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www.911truth.org

Jonathan,

Thanks for reposting your links here. Looks like I actualy have lots of videos to watch rather than reading as I surmised in my #175.

You think you government isnt possible to do this? How do you think these people get to be in power in the first place not by being soft.

Why do you think they kept changing there story and not release any evidence and did the total opposite, its because they are involved.

THe usa went to iraq in the first place based on a lie in 1990. In October, 1990, a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, identified only as Nayirah, appeared in Washington before the House of Representatives' Human Rights Caucus. She testified that Iraqi soldiers who had invaded Kuwait on August 2nd tore hundreds of babies from hospital incubators and killed them.

Bush quoted Nayirah at every opportunity. Six times in one month he referred to "312 premature babies at Kuwait City's maternity hospital who died after Iraqi soldiers stole their incubators and left the infants on the floor,"(1) and of "babies pulled from incubators and scattered like firewood across the floor

There was no incubators! Bush Lied! just like his bastard son.

You're welcome BlueBear... bradblog is a Sibel fan, eh? Here's something I wrote about her a while back. She has since verified the quotes...

A Lesson In 9/11 Research

All watch the The Power of Nightmares"
BBC News Documentary it shows you the history of fabricated terrorism. Its 3 hours long.

http://bulk.ctyme.com/bbc1.wmv
http://bulk.ctyme.com/bbc2.wmv
http://bulk.ctyme.com/bbc3.wmv

al qaeda is tiny its been created by the government. There is no serious terrorist threat.

Usa claimed theres terrorists in 60 countries. BULLSHIT!

The british army went into afghanistan and found no al qaeda just empty caves!

Seems the american people are the last to know becaue the media dont want you to know. The media is owned by the big corporations.

Jonathan Gold #214

You're welcome.

BradBlog is indeed a big fan of Sibel Edmonds. Brad recently did a story on her for the blog. It can be found here.

Sibel also gave us a guest blog here.

Sheen Challenge to Media

I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...

RELATED:
Video From Charlie Sheen's brave first interview on the Alex Jones Show:

Or Listen to the Interview Here

The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous and idiotic Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about your credibility as a major media entity.

Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad, no attention whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the evidence that stimulated those very questions.

Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an effort to sway the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly disregarding any of the potentially valuable content of the story. It's transparent sandbox propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper it's printed on.

Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at the epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.

Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the Pentagon or the DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did exactly as they claim. You will be stonewalled. You will be dismissed unconditionally. If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?

To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:

Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.

If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or manipulated, you will only confirm what myself and countless others have suspected all along: Media complicity with no interest in the truth.

A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84 percent IN SUPPORT of my views.

Say what you must about me - it means nothing.

Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical evidence regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of us "Conspiracy Idiots" have suspected all along - The Official Report is, at best, an insulting work of FICTION.

New CNN Headline News Showbiz Tonight 9/11 Coverage - Video Inside

hey savanster,

did i mention to you that i AM one of those people in the applied sciences? i thought i did, maybe you are just having a hard time getting it because i used to many big words.

when a building like the WTC towers is constructed they build it with eventual demolition in mind. that way, when and if it needs to come down it doesnt just topple over 5 city blocks, it comes down nice and neat in a straight line from top to bottom. simple physics and some knowledge of materials and deformable solids and some plain old common sense, jackass.

the looney conspiracy theories propagated by coke heads should be ignored, even if they have a degree. we all saw it happen on live tv, there were no weird conspiracies that included every single local, nationwide, and international news organization. and, you have to admit, it is a little easier to believe that some guys with box cutters could take over a bunch of unarmed civilians than it would be to believe the coverage was manipulated while filming.

sorry guys, i get a little testy over this issue. i feel it is disrespectful of the dead. to be be making these idiotic science fiction stories simultaneously saying our administration is so stupid they cant tie their shoes without help and criminal masterminds bent on world domination mentally and intellectually capable of such an atrocity is stupendously moronic. you cant have it both ways guys.

Monte Cristo put it all as succintly and comprehensively as any I have read before. Unfortunately, not many are ready to actually understand what has to be happening to account for events. That is basically what the analysis results in; that is, many folks rejecting it. But the analysis is nonetheless real.

Trouble is, it tends to make me depressed.
However, is it available for quoting with proper citation?

rdw

Oh, Mr. Physics Professor Popeye, splain to us plebes how the buildings all came down at free fall speed without explosives. If you are in an applied science, I hope it isn't anywhere near me. You saw it on tv. Free fall, buddy. WHAT causes that? Hint. Not airplanes, and not jet fuel, aka kerosene.

Hey Popeye I get a little testy too, especially when an unapplied science hack argues the pancake theory.
It doesn't explain the freefall speed even if it was designed as you say.
It doesn't explain the pyroclastic flow (I hope that wasn't to big of a word for you Popeye).
It doesn't explain how the fires could not have been hot enough to cause the collapses i.e. read Steven Jones paper.
It doesn't explain the 47 main columns disapearing into nice and tidy short peices that were sent to China before the crime scene could be investigated.
It doesn't explain eyewitness testimony.
It doesn't explain building 7.
You haven't done any homework Popeye, and I can't think of anything more disrespectful then to defend murderers out of ignorance. By the way when you use i in reference to yourself in a sentence, use a capital I brainiac.

See Below:
9-11 Was An Inside Job 03.27.06 - 11:37 pm #

This was the tag I have been putting out, a simple nudge, sometimes with a couple of links, into the open threads of my favorite blogs. Simple, quiet, a reminder of a controversy even the blogs are avoiding.

John Avarosis just banned me from making comments on AmericaBlog.

Un -f'ing- believable.

I've been reading and commenting his blog for over a year, and I'm banned for an unapproved topic in the "Open Threads". I traded email with John for a couple of days, asking him to address the controversy. He wouldn't do it - "Too nutty" he said. "Just acknowledge it" I said. "Hell, No!" he said.

I accepted this but said I would continue to comment on it, and he agreed as long as it was measured.

Hey John - Fuck you! How's that for measured?

Free Speech lives on!

Brad - thank you for being one of the only blogs willing to talk about this or just acknowledge it. My blog roster is now shorter by one.

That's what makes fascism so great, Jay. People are so afraid, they censor themselves. Fancy a place called "AmericaBlog" banning a topic. Just great.

V 4 Vendetta

Popeye, you have all the elements of a troll:

1. Disrespectful of the dead ("you're hurting the troops", "you're unpatriotic", etc...)

2. I am an expert...I'm a scientist...I'm a doctor...and blah blah blah

3. "be-friend and bone" strategy: "sorry guys"..."i'm on your side, but...."

Big Dan #202

Roberts is a disgrace to the office of senator, the senate, and the American Public.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public"

(Theodore Roosevelt, "Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149 May 7, 1918).

Like Sheen, I've yet to hear a plausible excuse as to why Bush sat like a moron in that classroom after 2 planes had struck the WTC? The president of U.S.A. "sits out" an emergency like that??? He doesn't even want to question people about what's happening??? (Sure as hell looks, smells, & tastes like INSIDE JOB to me!)

For a reality check, here's what president Ronald Reagan did when space shuttle Challenger exploded (a far smaller catastrophe):

White House spokesman Larry Speakes said Vice President George Bush and national security adviser John Poindexter notified Reagan of the explosion during a meeting with top aides. The president interrupted the session and went immediately to his small study. "The president stood there in almost stunned silence as he watched the television, ...

Bush had tv & radio available nearby, yet he had no interest, no curiosity, in seeing what was happening??? The President of the U.S.A.??? BULLSHIT!!!

Charlie Sheen is now my favorite actor. How many times have I posted, "Where are the actors and liberals speaking out about e-vote fraud, 9/11...etc?" I've just been posting that...and BOOM! Charlie Sheen is my hero!

This morning on The Stephanie Miller Show a person called in and brought up Charlie's interview and the facts surrounding WTC7. She brushed him off as fast as she could - didn't even want to talk about it.

What's up with that?!

ive spoken with many people who are technically skeptical of everything on forums- i was openly skeptacle for about the last 6 months-

my forays into understanding economics- markets, trade, debt buying has enlightend me to the circustance that niggled at the back of my head why someone could murder 3000 lives.

i looked at the evidence again- streamed loose change 2nd edit, and the 911 eyewitness video (actual name) plus the footage and media accounts on the street in 9/11 revisited, which also has the world experts give their views on what happened- the science community, the engineering and financial- all people who were until talking well renound and seen as experts in their fields.

now that i believe that 9/11 was "carried out" my brain doesnt want to believe any of this is true- i'm trying to find discrepancies in the evidence as presented- ive found some but others are just undeniable and common sence- its 9/11 all over again for me and its like all those people have died twice..

i just want to say the actions on the US government speak more than worse and the the bush admin has hijacked the government away from congress and the senate- and are seeking unlimited power to carry out their world agenda- and protecting the dollar are the leading currency.

this is no ordinary conspiracy- substantial amounts of people- even the experts believe america has been hijacked thousands perhaps at this point- and most of them in the last 4 days- in 4 days this issue has become the most shouted story on shoutwire.

if you can see people minds changing about the events- even hardened skeptics you NEED to do yourself a favour like so many people are saying and WATCH the videos- they are all over the internet and are free.

911 was the first Katrina

Remember the Katrina bodies recently found? Kinda makes you wonder how carefully the regime searched, and therefore how really concerned they were about Katrina victims?

Well, like Katrina, they are still finding 911 bodies (link here).

Oh, I am so impressed with this governments careful attention to detail ... ('cept for I ain't) ...

GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT FEAR THE GOVERNMENT

V 4 Vendetta

Dredd, are people collecting samples of the dust in that building? The analysis of it could yield more proof.

Really rewriting and quoting posts will work on a temp basis and will not work if poeple don't address the issues to the proper places.

Fight back as a nation. Write these bagdad bob outlets. Let them know you will not stand for their tactics. Write their advertisers tell them you will not support their products aired on these networks.

Don't let one man fight your battles for you. Let them know you are as important to the world too. You love your country. Don't be the lazy american they want you to be.

They are trying to kill the messenger you must play their own game.

Hollywood people if you believe as in Sheen you do not have to come out directly. Do what sharon stone has. Just say I what you support sheen in if he beliefs in the write to have opinions. Notice sharon stone will be bashed too. But at least she has been heard. Its a game eventuallty they will have to admit everyone is insane. Stand Up you will be more respected. Stop playing the sit down and shut up game I will call you when need an actor. Realize people like hannity are trying to distract you with a false fight. Alec is just a diversion from the truth. Do you really want to let them hide behind "An Endless war". Using it against you daily to keep you in fear.

Operation Northwoods:

In 1962 the Joint Chiefs of Staff were going to paint a plane like a commercial airliner and swap it with a real one. Then they were gonna shoot it down and blame Castro for it. Then go to war against Cuba using this fake terrorism. This document shows a number of similar actions and they were willing to kill innocent American civilians and military personelle to make this plan happen.

I think maybe they finally got around to using this tactic on Sept 11, 2001.

All you have to do is read history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...iki/Operation_Northwoods

Actual photos of the Northwoods Document::

http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm

sigh

lol just turned on the tv ROFMAO did you ever see anything more funnier. Fox.... Do you couldn't script it better. Hey if anyone need a bad script writer I need a job. Looks like I could do a cheap B movie and make it so predicatable.

Sharon Stone sit their as Shut Up or the O'Reilly police will ve a knockin' Clombs be a man....
God 9/11 who is this god.

Rick, your operating system needs to be reinstalled, or defrag your brain, something! You don't make any sense. Retire from the commons while you straighten it out. Please.

lol you don't need to be a genius to figure it out...
Is it my brain or is it your reality.

Good night, America. Your decadent days are in decline, your judgment near, your fate sealed. It is not the enemy from without that you should fear, but the one within and her name is apathy and self righteousness. You have a self deluded form of patriotic Christianity which placates you into thinking you are superior in the world. You sit as a queen saying "I will never be judged", May you rest in peace.

Brought up Sheen and 9-11:

Banned from AmericaBlog, after 18 months of loyal readership and donations.

Banned from Crooks & Liars, after over a year of loyal readership.

This is not an approved topic, so go there with care.

Those blogs are ruined. I think they are becoming corporate money whores and cable news stars.

lol suppression will only create doubt
when there is doubt there is curiosity
Welcome to the crazy bin you earned your tin hat

There are a million reasons not to want to believe the truth, to just follow the company line, to let sleeping dogs lie, but NONE of them is just, and none are hallmarks of probity. People don't want to muddy the water, when our water IS muddy and needs to be CLEAR. Maybe it would be a good idea to try to keep in touch with the Johns, try to respectfully, and really RESPECTFULLY, work out ways they might eventually give cyberspace to the subject. They don't want the hypnotized who love their blogs to start thinking they're cranks. It's as simple as that. If they felt like sticking their necks out had half a chance of turning the tide against the perpetrators, that might be a whole new kettle of fish for them. Don't give up. The laws of physics are on the side of truth.

Guns & Butter - Wednesday 1-2p - KPFA 94.1fm, Berkeley CA

Explosive Testimony: The 911 Oral Histories - Host Bonnie Faulkner interviews author and theologian, Dr. David Ray Griffin.

As the result of a lawsuit brought by the New York Times and several families of 911 victims, the New York Court of Appeals ordered the city to release hundreds of oral histories of 911 witnesses. These witness testimonies were originally gathered shortly after September 11th on the order of Thomas Von Essen, the City Fire Commissioner, who said he wanted to preserve these accounts before they became reshaped by a collective memory. In these oral histories, Firefighters and Emergency Medical Workers recount their experiences of that day, including riveting descriptions of explosions seen, felt and heard in the WTC towers on 9/11. Descriptions are consistent with pre-positioned explosives and controlled demolition, NOT with progressive collapse due to melted steel and "pancaking" floors.

You can read Dr. David Ray Griffin's most recent article here:

Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

Streamed live and archived for one week at KPFA.org

This will be a riveting and very important show! Please REPOST and distribute widely!

www.gunsandbutter.net

Why do people get so upset when someone opens their mouth? Especially if they're famous? What if YOU had some serious thoughts or questions to voice and could not be heard? Then let's say you suddenly found yourself famous. Would you think "Oh, I'm famous now. I guess I gotta shut up. I'm now disqualified to speak up"? Of course not! ANYONE can voice their opinion and I wholeheartedly recommend it! If you got some fame, why not use it? You don't have to take anyone's opinions as gospel, but there's no need to disqualify anybody from asking questions. It's usually known people who become leaders, simply because they have an advantage-the media listens. If they'd listen to you, you'd speak up too. 3 1/2 men sucks, but GO CHARLIE! I'd do the same if I could.

Agent99 #233

I too wonder if they took forensic examples of dust.

Many here have posted links that show FEMA removed and destroyed much evidence. The 47 verticle steel beams that made up the central core would have been dispositive as to cutter explosives.

Also the official story was that the black boxes on the two jets (4 total) were not found, however, there is some evidence that they did find them and have hidden or destroyed them.

lol can't people figure this out do you think these words were a slip.

President said these exact words

"Either you WITH US or a against us,
your either EVIL or your good"

figure it out why would you twist the words

so he is saying here EVIL is "with us" WAKE UP

What part did Moussaoui play in Bush's plan? Did the holocoust not happen? You are living down a rabbit hole with no chance of seeing daylight.

Brad, Why do you erase my comments and let this 9/11 crap stand? You dont actually believe Bush did it do you?

I hope everyone realizes Giuliani was in on it. He expedited destroying crime scene evidence having the steel melted down outside the United States. And he's a lawyer, so he knows about preserving the crime scene. That's the only thing they did quickly...move out the evidence...which further implies an inside job.

Does any idiot think think moving out and destroying the evidence in record time was an accident???

Ricky IT WILL lol if everything is predictable. They already gave him a escape goat. WAKE UP

you won't notice it until is too late.

It's Called an Appeal he's a Patsy.

It's feeding to the public
Like AC/DC once said "you want blood you got it"

Can you NOT WAKE UP

here's something for you retards
If you have kids it's not a hard thing to do.

Ask your kids to show them your history book.
ha ha so funny.....NO JOKE

then LOOK AT THE YEAR it was published. WOW my kids says its from 1997.

What should I even dare question this what a nut...RICK IS JUST A STUPID AMERICAN...I am lol

now look to see if your PATRIOT ACT is in there

Welcome to stupified AMERICA.

Then go to your school and ask why such a document isn't in there and demand a new version since it doesn't apply just Foriegn but to Domestic history.

READ THE F'er yourself WAKE UP.

Dredd, #246, Yep. There may be enough testimony about the convenient 30' lengths to pretty much show cutter explosives HAD to be responsible, or maybe there are pictures that would do as well.

The conflicting stories on the black boxes is rough because I can't figure out how to make them be produced. Some suggest the planes were rigged to fly into the Trade Towers and the ocean, just taking over from the helpless pilots at a certain point, using missiles for the Pentagon and Pennsylvania "crashes", and they might well have removed the black boxes before the flights, anyway. That's what I would have done if I suddenly turned evil enough to want to pull it off.

I have a friend who insists that if these hijackers actually got on the planes we would have video of each and every one of them boarding, and nobody's ever seen that. Even if they did get on the planes, though, that still doesn't countermand the laws of physics. The WTC buildings were definitely pulled. NO other explanation.

Ok guys,

Why did the towers fall so fast?

They were built like tubes. Very strong, but very little internal weight bearing surfaces, the strength of the building mainly lied in the outside structure. This is good because the building can be erected taller with less material used, but, as we all have seen, if part of the structure fails it compromises the entire structure. In other words, if the 150th floor collapses, the first floor is compromised as well. Need an example? If you are careful, you can stand on an aluminum soda can and it will sustain your weight indefinitely. However, have someone touch the side of the can and it will immediately collapse (have them use a stick unless you don’t like them). Another example? Cannondale and Klein bicycles were sued a few years ago because their “large diameter thin walled” tubing bikes were failing. The problem was not that the bikes were not able to handle the forces involved, but that they were unable to handle those forces after the bike was dropped just once and the tubes were dented. Not a problem on conventional frames. The design has since been changed. The designers of the buildings received immense criticism after the buildings came down because other buildings made the conventional way might have withstood this kind of event, but those buildings had no chance.

Believe it or not, they were designed to take a hit from an aircraft. This is because they were so tall that in low visibility situations (fog) they may be struck. However, planes made when the buildings were, were not as big as the planes used. This may be considered a design flaw or lack of foresight, but I cannot judge that.

What happened to building 7?

Well, buildings are designed to be buildings, not dams. The immense weight of the debris weakened the structure in a horizontal direction that the building was not designed to take. You may recall the rest of the complex needed to be inspected and evaluated for months before they could be used again, and even at first it was assumed many more of them might have to be demolished because of structural damage.

Doug, you should stop critiquing grammar, spelling, and punctuation. This is a blog, not an English paper for crying out loud, and you must realize how stupid you look for saying such things when clearly you have nothing else to contribute. But if you must be heard and that is all you got, than hell, why not?

And Big Dan, I am a student of the applied sciences. If you see me telling people that I am an expert on anything else, then yes, I am trolling. Like a liberal jackass I once spoke to who was a self described “expert” in criminology, Catholicism, Mormonism, various fighting styles, and of course politics. He claimed to have “studied” these subjects each at length for decades, and much more he had yet to divulge. Except for the fact that he holds exactly zero degrees in anything, and is not even in the process of attaining one at all, it might have been doubtful he had done so much. But his lack of cred means he read some crap somewhere and that is what he has. Every post he made was trolling.

a slight correction in the interest of full disclosure,

in addition to engineering education i have been an insurance salesman as well for many years. so, i know a quite a bit about insurance too. anything else and i would be bs'ing you guys.

sorry popeye, your full of shit. i hope they pay you well though buddy.

FUCK C&L. here is C&L's excuse:
http://www.gravatar.com/...8230;ting=PG&size=28 Charlie Sheen and the rest:

I Iost friends in 9/11. My father worked for 20 years with people in those buildings that died. I was on the towers many times. My best friend was two blocks away at the DMV when the planes crashed and watched it all. He ran into the subways to escape. Another good friend had an office in the towers. My other old friend was a Capt. in the Fire dept and still coughs from the ash even after he retired and he lost some friends.
I will not discuss it. There's plenty of other sites to talk about it on. I've been attacked repeatedly by email and in the threads. I will ban and delete all comers now. Open threads are not open to this anymore. Respect my pain over the tragedy. This is the last time I will talk about it again.
Good night.
C&L Homepage 03.28.06 - 1:22 am #
again i say, FUCK C&L.

Popeye: Your insurance sales must have taught you how to BS your way into getting what you want. BUILDING DESIGN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FREEFALL SPEED OF THE COLLAPSES. Freefall speed means NO interference. It they pancaked due to this design flaw, they STILL would have taken far longer to drop because of the interference of the structure itself. The ONLY way they could come down that fast is if they were rigged in advance with explosives. THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE SPEED OF COLLAPSE IN ANY OF THE THREE BUILDINGS. Go tell your whoppers to John Amato.

after all that the only rebuttal is that i am full of it and a mean insurance salesman? i am dissapointed. agent99, as i mentioned, the structures built the way they were the whole thing fails when part of it does. there is relatively little resistance once that point is reached.

chris, i am sorry for your loss as all of us should be. if it means anything to you, your friends and everyone affected in that trajedy have been in my prayers every day since it happened.

one more thing then i will leave you guys alone.

this event took the applied sciences community by surprise when it happened. everyone involved ended up having to defend themselves in court over it from the Port Authority to the designers i mentioned earlier, even the construction companies. obviously, everyone has been paying attention to this since, and all those who study engineering had to study this specific thing. the Challenger and Columbia disasters triggered the same responses.

much research has been done into the cause of the collapse of these buildings, i urge you to look at the rest of it too.

Bunch of engineers with no understanding of physics... great.

Bunch of people who love murderous ignorance more than truth.

why did you delete my post bradblog? i thought that was only a C&L thing...........

shit, my fault Bradblog, i misread. keep up the great work.im spreading the word that this is the only liberal blog with teeth anymore.

Hey Popeye, I'll second Chris, your full of shit.

First the strength of the towers was the 47 core columns each 46 by 16 inchs thick which the 911 commision neglected to mention, tube my butt.

Second the buildings were designed to take multiple hits from the largest airplanes of that time a 707 which is about the same size as a 767.

Third, building 7 was 100 yards from the trade centers, it was "pulled" and fell into its own footprint i.e. Larry Silverstein

Your explanation doesn't explain anything, you have done nothing but read the official story.

Once again, pyroclastic flow, eyewitness testimony, and how about the molten steel found weeks after excavating???

Please do take your ball and go home. By the way, your grammar is much improved did your mom proof read it for you??

Popeye, if the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 757, why are you saying that the slightest compromise to the exterior compromises the entire structure? Clearly the architects of the towers disagree. What about the central core? The pancake theory that you are in part advocating states that eventually a floor could not be supported, and the impact of it on the floor below caused it to collapse, and so on. How does this jive with the near-freefall speed? What are your claims about the fire weakening the steel?

As doug pointed out, I should have said 707 instead of 757.

forget all your structural analysis - read david ray griffin's article discussing the oral histories that were taken from firefighters and other emergency personnel, shortly after 9/11. many of them saw and heard explosions that could not be explainable as anything other than bombs, including belts of explosions that ripped their way around entire floors and up and down the structures. this is not theory, this is eyewitness testimony that directly contradicts the theory that fires lead to the collapses. this testimony was inititially suppressed by the bloomberg administration, but the new york times successfully sued for the release of the transcripts and then published them on the web. a theory that cannot account for these explosions is not a theory with any scientific validity. read the article here: http://www.911truth.org/...?story=20060118104223192

from the above article:

“[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

“[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

I stick to the free-fall speed of the collapses because people seem to discount eyewitness testimony on disasters. I think the single most irrefutable point, and easy for anyone to understand, is the speed of collapse. There isn't ANYTHING else that can account for it, it's very readily verifiable, and nobody can call the laws of physics hysterical or whacky conspiracy theorists.

Or how about:

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off.We think there were bombs set in the building."

Louie Cacchioli, Firefighter

or

"Battalion Seven...Ladder 15, weve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that,78th floor numerous 10-45 code ones."

Chief Palmer, Firefighter

hey agent 99
Physics is hard to agrue against, I think the paper written by Steven Jones is pretty damning although Im sure Popeye will have another brilliant observation. The molten steel that was glowing red hot after 5 weeks cannot be explained by jet fuel or combustable office material either. Nor can the pyroclastic cloud of dust be explained by the pancake theory. But the fact that they tried so hard to keep the tapes of the firefighters from getting out to the public adds weight to them I think. I figure the more people know the better.

Argh, Popeye promised to leave us alone after his last blog barf. And, I'm sure with you, Doug, but have been trying to boil it down to the single most salient/irrefutable/easy-to-grasp point so that I don't sound shrill when making the point to people. We've got ourselves a country where people, faced with this sort of difficulty for their deep desire not to tax their brains, sling insults and think later (if at all). So. I keep my tone strong and icy-calm while I simply tell them what I've been saying here.

All three WTC buildings came down at virtually free-fall speed, and NOTHING but controlled demolition can do that. Tell me how bin Laden managed THAT! They can't.

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

August 11 - The LA Times reports that the Iraqi military was itself fooled by the creative reporting of furloughed Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole damn American Army is at the airport!'' "

taken from
http://www.welovetheiraq...informationminister.com/

Is this what people want for there society. The sheep led to the slaughter. Think of who the sheep are and the hearders are. Baghdad bob outlets should wake up. There just tools and when truth comes out they are just fools.

why would the world pit a war in the states?

what's these term
smoke and mirriors
mexican
draft amnesty

wow thank god we won't have agree to those Prison camps
and thank god we have that act, I almost had my brother to push that ML button again

wait why are they still running them

Boy that cheney is such a funny guy what a swell guy

Hannity be glad you got censured hey Wait I didn't notice this... all the listing of hollywood nut bags and no mention of charlie.....what? is that an admital.

Mike Ruppert posted this about Charlie Sheen's comments at FTW

http://www.fromthewilder...3006_charlie_sheen.shtml

Senate Hearing on Censure of Bush

WHEN

Friday, Mar. 31, 2006
9:30 a.m. (Eastern Time I think)

Committee

Judiciary

Agenda

To hold hearings
to examine the call to censure
the President.

SH-216

So now they've "released" the tapes from the 911 calls, but have deleted everthing other than the 911 operators. The public is not allowed to hear what is going on insdie the building from the people involved there. This is to "protect" some 28 families whose relatives can be identified on the tapes.

Ya sure!

Why not just delete the identifying imformation only - if you are worried about those families?

Still covering up what really happened IMHO!

Hopefully those families will come forward and make the info available, but what about the rest of it?

Hopefully those families will come forward and make the information available, but what about the rest of it!

Whoa! Seems I've fallen victim to double-speak!

At least it's consistent, Blue!

Mike Ruppert is an egomaniac who has major jealousy issues. his book "Crossing The Rubicon" was a great read, but the guy would serve himself well to tone down his ego a bit.

Greetings, all... I've been "researching" 9/11 all night...

I heard that due to such a (positive) public outcry after the Sheen segment on Showbiz Tonight, that more commentaries on the subject were planned...

Another couple of actors were supposed to go on the show (March 28?) to have a debate with someone who was on the Keene (Keane?) Commission... but then I heard that CNN higher-ups cancelled the segment... for some reason?

Does anyone have any information on this?

Also... what happened with the proposed march at CNN HQ? Or... has that not happened yet?

Keep up the good work, everyone! Spread the questions!!!

Cheers!

BTW... we're openly discussing this subject (alternative 9/11 theories) in classes at my school... and, my parents, a pastor and a professor, are sharing the "Loose Change, 2nd Edition" DVD that I bought with anyone and everyone they can... I recommend that anyone who has the $$ to buy it buys it, so you can share it with 'important' ppl you meet... spread the word!!! Nothing but good will come of all this!!!

Hey Bucknell University Student, what happened is that the Keene Commision guy backed out at the last second, probably because he new he couldnt answer Ed Asners questions. Go to Scholars for 911 truth for more info.

Venezuela opening an investigation for 9/11 Truth, and this is NOT an April Fools joke:

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/300306walter.htm

AMAZING!!!!!!! I repeat: NOT an April Fools joke.

Its a go for sure? Last I read they were in the convincing stage.

The telephone interview said they'd already met with the head of the legislature, and they were on their way to speak with Chavez, and that Chavez had said he was going to talk about it on his weekly television address. That's on Sunday nights. These guys are NOT cranks. It's the hero janitor who was the last man out of the towers alive, and the millionaire socialite who has now spent $6million trying to get the truth out. Both of them serious as heart attacks. I suppose we don't know for sure until Chavez broadcasts it, but they have been greeted by the highest circles in Venezuelan society and government, given blanket media coverage there. I'd say it's a go, Doug.

agent99 #281

This is a very interesting developement. I find it hard to believe though that we will here any of it through the administration censored news outlets.

Do the research yourself before putting your opinion out there like you know it all. I've researched this for years. THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Plain and simple.

And if you don't believe me, grow a pair and check this out.

http://video.google.com/...63801&q=loose+change

Do the research yourself before putting your opinion out there like you know it all. I've researched this for years. THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Plain and simple.

And if you don't believe me, grow a pair and check this out.

http://video.google.com/...63801&q=loose+change

Bluebear2: Well, if there is an international effort, centered in Caracas, we might finally start getting some more information through places like Prison Planet, etc. And, just about any nastiness between the administration and Chavez is going to risk having this exposed. It provides a way for OTHER countries to begin researching and reporting on 9/11 Truth, and we will have to get it over the internet, network it until it cannot be ignored by the media anymore. If it's all over international news, that is a MAJOR blow to the omertà going on in our media now.

please please keep the momentum goin. once we reach a critical point the witness will really start comming forward and the truth will then be inevitable. however i do fear what may come of of our cosy little western hemisphere society when those hawks in the white house and pentagon are exposed for what they are?
need to discuss is critical for everyone.

David Ray Griffin's lecture at the Grand Lake in Oakland was to an over capacity crowd of clearly approving people. The little country public radio station that aired it, KMUD, was swamped with calls from people positive about it, kids buying up CDs to distribute for free.... Just got back here from a web site with a snarling post about not being interested in the subject and get your own blog if you want to talk about it, blah, blah.... So, I don't think the momentum is going to slow. This time the "conspiracy theorists" are the ones with the cogent theory. The really weird one is the one put out by the 9/11 Commission. Anybody with a lick of sense can do a little research, hell, do a little thinking, and get on the right page. Believe me, if KMUD is swamped with calls, the momentum will not flag.

Popeye is dead wrong about the strength of the towers and those of you who've corrected him on this are right. The most important thing about 9/11 is that it was psyop. An operation designed to redefine reality to fit an official version of events. In other words, confusion and doubt about certain simple facts is the intended goal. The undisputable fact is that steel structures when properly designed, and no steel structure will be allowed to be built if it is not, don't collapse from fire. This is the truth and no engineer or "expert" should be allowed to tell you anything different. When confronted with psyops like 9/11, one must be able to think for oneself, as only those capable of separating fact from fantasy will be able to come out of these experiences unaffected. It is not possible to support the official 9/11 story and honestly accept the facts of the case. The two are mutually exclusive. The WTC twin towers were extremely well built with the central core bearing most of the weight while the outer shell dealt with wind loads mostly. The official story is a lie, and no amount of expert testimony to the contrary will make it true.

Realize the media knows this fact, we are at war. And to do anything to unsupport that effort, the patriot act can and will be enforced. Realize remove the act and watch them spill. And people say what freedom have you lost. I'm sure some of them will spew the same crap but most would follow the truth.

Don't think repub/dem. Don't think Left/Right. Think Corperate. What would your employer do to you if you don't follow that line. You can't be fired can you now. So we will threaten you. But don't threaten me too far or will punish you.

Don't you think with the enron scandal would make people to learn this. History shows this time and time again.

Freedom is just a fable.
Your free as long as you think you are.
Everyone can be bought, sold, killed its sad but this is what we've become.

Corruption leads to more corruption, leads to more
corruption, Till corruption kills itself. This stuff has been going on before Bush. Look at history. My comments don't make it right. It just makes you aware.

Life is a bad cancer and will never change.
There is only one final outcome. So many doctors looking for the cure and still one outcome.

Colmes amazes me he is a man.....respect.......Channel he works for... Not.

See to agree or not to agree isn't the point, as long as each sides listens and be heard. Thats what is called debating.

Colmes you earn a man of the day award

Steel will melt yes, but eventually (if continuously fed fuel and in the right conditions.) Most of the jet fuel in the WTC crashes burned up within the first 20 seconds of impact. No way hot enough to weaken anything.

But I guess thats why Ymost doubters are still living in sheer ignorant bliss and not researching for themselves. Like a smelly hippy they do not debate the facts, they only yell back .." your just crazy man..." Because they have no proper arguement to offer.

If anyone had read or listened to the entire Sheen-Jones transcript his accusations really don't sound all that wild. There WERE no Commercial plane parts evident at the Pentagon. There were no body bags, luggage, plane seats or even massive titanium engines there at all. (But thats OK you dont need to rebuke Charlies' comments just attack his personal character.)
The Presidents brother Marvin Bush was chairman of the security company (Which were supposed to look after Dulles, Logan and WTC towers -Securacom) has that ever seen the light of day?
What about the Firefighters (At the scene of the wtc towers) that made statements to the 9-11 Commission (Which were ignored) that indeed there were cutter charges imploding the towers that day. Larry Silverstein WAS awarded 3 Trillion US$ in compensation for attacks only contracted into his "clause" 3 months earlier. But gee... lets not touch on facts, just have a bit more fun poking holes in Charlie Sheen but dont ever discuss his claims, or even research the validity of his content.
That would show you to have journalistic integrity and an inquiring mind. Something not a lot of journalists have these days and quite obviously most debates about Charlie Sheens' claims are nothing more than slander jobs about a persons character.

Where were these comments when it was exposed GW Bush had over 300 late night visits by a gay call-boy to the whitehouse? Where were these comments when Rummy (forgot his version of events) and had said a missle had taken out the Pentagon? What about Cheneys recent comments (From official whitehouse webpage) that Osama really had NOTHING to do with 9-11? Jump up and down about that.

OH thats right, I almost forgot.... Bush monkeys only dance for bananas, when you play them the right tune.
Now Im not one for morons who tell me space aliens control the senate. But Mr Sheens comments DO rely on facts. To all the doubters about Charlie Sheen: Go and research what you are writing about PROPERLY It only makes you look stupid and amateurish, when you take the POX News line and nothing else. There is enough evidence out there to sink a skyscraper,
http://imilac.batcave.net
(Check the research page.. All mainstream news sites)

Well. Space aliens controlling the Senate surely accounts for their recent activities better than any of the other theories I've heard!

;-)

Sheen letter to the press questions 2 things Pent Video's and WTC#7. They can have the fact of the other issues and he Questions the Official 911 report on WTC #7. If anything should prevail WTC #7 should be focused on more. Remember this is a Building collapse caused By small fires and OIL not jet fuel. If OIL and small fires can destroy a building this quick one must fear all buildings like this Around the world. And it Demands and investigation with a 100% degree certainty. If you don't agree with the Official 911 Commission report. Be it in favor of the 911 Commission or the Conspiracy Nuts, you still need to demand a Investigation Officially.

I'm going with the Space Alien theory of government. Must be why the "FEMA Camps"...

http://getintheirface.bl...ootage-google-video.html

Or, they've taken Hitler's biography as a handbook.

This thread has been pushed into the archives, yet folks are still coming.

I came across Another Film today thanks to a link at Project for the Old American Century

Many more people discussing explosions. The big clincher in these videos is the complete pulverisation of the concrete from the floors below the area of collapse. The air mass movement of the collapsing portion would not pulverise the concrete nor eject it so far horizontally from the building.

Saw that one the other night, Blue. There are more and more each day, and maybe THIS can be the false flag operation that finally gets exposed in time to prosecute the perpetrators. We better get to it because the concentration camps are about ready for occupants.

In time, or too late, You have to call out to AMERICA to wake up look where its heading. Most people were raised with Good Human Values. USE THEM. Wake up. If you know it doesn't look right and know what your doing is corrupt. Stop realize you are being controlled. Blow that whistle, realize either way you are going to be exposed and the ones controlling you will blame you or kill you to throw the blame from them. It's a vicious game. But if everyone admits the guilt the real truth will be exposed. Didn't your parents teach you that one lie leads to another, and another. The only way to stop the lie is with truth no matter how painful the outcome is. The game they are playing is DEATH not LIFE.

Good-bye. I'm gonna stop monitoring this thread now. Anybody coming in the future, just go to:

http://st911.org

I hope Brad continues to cover this, with so much interest in this topic. One thing Ive been doing is burning copies of Loosechange 2nd edition and handing them out for free. Nobody declines free stuff and two people have told me they are doing the same now. One of them leaves them at public places for free. If the mainstream is going to ignore it this is one way for a few of us to have a quantum effect. Agent 99 Im still hoping to hear something from Venezuala have you heard anything??

Doug! I was just leaving, and thinking to try again to find out if they got on Alo Presidente on Sunday.... Prison Planet was quiet on it yesterday.... May be that Chavez announcing $50 barrel price bumped them off the roster for this week. Looking. Will come back if I find anything.

Well, nothing in English anyway. Alex Jones will have it if it comes down, for certain. Chavez maybe doesn't want to draw anymore neocon ire right now. Dund know.

The place for the best information, ongoing:

http://www.st911.org/

Good blog guys and gals, Im signing off on this one also. I agree with Agent 99 st911.org is the place to go, 911blogger is good also, hell their all good if the freakin truth gets out.

ok, i had to come back and show you guys something else, since you reject my years of education and knowledge i am resorting to pictures. why was there no lugage or plane parts, well, watch this video. this was a test performed some time ago that might answer that question. there was not so much as a bolt left of this thing.

http://www.jokaroo.com/e...ideos/plane_vs_wall.html

i saw that video years ago (as in before 9/11), it is not a new thing, nor is it altered. the plane vaporized along with everything in it.

as for the strength of the towers, i am not wrong. they were built like a tube with the outside walls being the main weight bearing structures. this according to the designers of the buildings. they were revolutionary in their design in their day. conventional building techniques were not able to reach the heights that the WTC towers did since the weight could not be supported at that height for the materials used. the air conditioning and elevators were in the center of the building, of course, but they were not designed to take the brunt of the weight. that is not to say they didnt take any of it, just not the majority.

i only attack shean because he makes it easy. he falls hook line and sinker for every conspiracy theory and he is a total screw up in life. hell, he is not that great of an actor, and that is what he is supposed to be an authority on!

your theories do not address the 2 prior attempts at the towers, nor the acceptance of blame by al quieda, nor the elation in the middle east when they fell. those pieces dont make sense if it were our own government that planed this. and it really doesnt make sense when you remember the guy allegedly behind it in your estimation cant be in office more than 2 more years. if he tries to change the law and gain a third term, maybe, MAYBE, you guys have something. even still i can reject this out of hand, knowing the forces involved could easily account for everything you are discussing.

popeye....can your years of education and knowledge explain the free fall collapse of WTC7?

popeye....can your years of education and knowledge explain the free fall collapse of WTC7?

great vidio

Charlie sheen is my hero for the rest of today (37 more minute)!
I know you'll never see this chuck, but thanks.
I appreciate what you did.

So it's agreed: the most incompetent administration in galactic history pulled off a hoax perceptible only to angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.

that is about right perry. of course there may be some women and minorities involved too.

we cant stereotype, you know. it would be unchristian.

Popeye, no explanation for WTC7? I would like to hear your explanation of why a building that wasn't even hit by a plane would just fall all of sudden at free fall speed.....within 5 seconds. How can anyone look at the video of WTC7 falling and say that this wasn't a controlled demolition. It fell perfectly onto itself. Buildings just don't do that on their own.

jimmy,

to be honest it is a great question, but i have not looked into it much. since no one was in that building it has not gotten much of my attention. so i must ask why it concerns you so much? if the government was interested in destroying the complex, obviously they could have done it. we still have surplus bombs from ww2 we have not figured out how to rid ourselves of. and even more stuff besides. why knock down that one? what was in it? why would that one be of singular interest?

i have seen the video of 7 falling, it does not appear as controlled demolition. it is hard to describe why i say that. but explosives that would compromise the structural integrity of the buildings would have blown the glass out. it would have been systematic and quite obvious. keep that in mind with your theories of 1 and 2 going as well. those explosives are quite powerful, and as i described before, they would have had to have been placed near the outside of the buildings. that would have made them quite visible.

popeye,

why does it concern me so much? because it is unexplainable. there was no reason for that building to fall and the fact that it fell is quite suspicious.

It's been reported that there were government offices in that building.

that building fell at free fall speed, with no apparent resistance. the collapse began at the top middle to allow the buidling to collapse within itself. buildings just don't do that on their own.

you ask why knock that building down....but I believe a more important question is, why did that building fall in the first place. if that building wasn't "pulled" then what other reasonable explanation can there be to explain a building falling on its own at free fall speed? i'm asking this retorically since you've already stated you haven't looked into it. just to me, the fact that this building fell is quite suspicious and creates a hole in the 911 story.