This is anecdotal history, not a narrative. But if even half of the dots connect it's very, very scary.

She links the Watergate burglars with the C.I.A. and the plots against Castro and by implication with Kennedy's assassination. Two points about 11/22/63
that bear repeating:

1) No objective, fair-minded person can view the Zapruder film and not know that the final shot that blew Kennedy's head apart came from the right and forward of the motorcade (a 2 o'clock position from the Book Depository perspective). BULLETS DO NOT CHANGE COURSE IN MID-AIR ON ACCOUNT OF WIND CURRENTS. THE WARREN COMMISSION REVISED HISTORY, BUT IT COULD NEVER REVISE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

2) When asked where he was on 11/22/63, George H.W. Bush (then preparing to run for Congress) replied, "I THINK I WAS IN HOUSTON." Bush thereby became the only adult person in the United States who wasn't sure of exactly where he was when John F. Kennedy was assassinated.

Richard Nixon, who was also in Dallas that day, also failed to remember where he had been. Odd, no?

The solution at the present moment is to turn the neoCons into neoConvicts.

That reality is moving closer to Delay (link here).

We need a list of members of congress to target in the '06 election.

We need to begin to watch them and research into their behavior the past 6 years, and to expose them. I mean those who have not already been indicted.

Yeah, good article, also that little devil Neil Bush shows up again too (weird, just like the Omen)

"1981: Mark Hinkley attempts to assassinate President Ronald Reagan, 69 days after the new president is sworn in. In a bizarre footnote, UPI, the Houston Post, the Associated Press, and NBC's John Chancellor report that Hinkley's brother Scott was to dine with Vice President George H. W. Bush's son Neil the night of the shooting."

I've posted before about all the bazaar shit that happens around his place

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Or, maybe it was "Starvin Marvin"'s house

I can't keep them straight,

Doesn't matter to me, they're all Bush's anyway

What is it about recent presidents that they seem to have dysfunctional brothers?

Marvin and Neil Bush..."curious" businessmen
Roger Clinton...druggie/delinquent
Billy Carter...alcoholic with "foot in mouth" disease
Donald Nixon...see Marvin and Neil Bush
Teddy Kennedy...a checkered history, fair to say

The sisters of recent presidents seem to be quite different...either unlucky or noble.

Robin Bush...died of leukemia as a young child
Ruth Carter Stapleton...evangelist
Rosemary Kennedy...victim of batched lobotomy
Eunice Kennedy Shriver...philanthropist
Patricia Kennedy Lawford...Rat Pack wife, alcoholic

marvain bush was also head of the company that was in charge of security at the WTC.

Here's one Marvin Bush bit from Wayne Madsen report

"October 22, 2005 --- Questions remain about Marvin Bush maid's death. Seasoned intelligence and law enforcement specialists have had an opportunity to review the police report on the suspicious death of Marvin Bush employee Bertha Champagne on September 29, 2003. Chief among the questions are: How could a vehicle traveling at mere 5 miles per hour have struck and crushed a person without prior warning? How could a late model vehicle go into gear without the key being in the ignition? Why would the key be in the ignition if the employee was walking the dogs? Why didn't the dogs start barking and alert Mrs. Champagne to danger? What was actually on the videotape in question? What was the circumstance of the videotape encounter between Mrs. Champagne and President Bush? Why were dirt samples not being analyzed by the State of Virginia lab? Could dirt samples have pointed to the presence of other witnesses/suspects? Why did the vehicle continue to cross Ft. Hunt Dr. after hitting the woman and the outer building without someone being on the accelerator peddle (the driveway is a flat surface, no incline)? Why were there no witnesses to the car crossing Ft. Hunt Rd. on its own during a Monday night rush hour --- 9:06 pm? --- (Ft. Hunt Rd. is an extremely busy road connecting two main arteries --- Route 1 and George Washington Parkway)."

And another one here, scroll down to oct 14

totally amazing

Here's a link to some history every American citizen should know:

http://missionnotaccomplished.us/WTPv17n.pdf

Feel free to share it with anyone you know.

Peace,
UL

Smile, you are on JebCam (link here).

Thom Hartman has co-authored a book on the Kennedy Assassination which is just coming out. It affirms many of the "dots" that were connected in this piece. The book reveals a planned faked attack "by Cuba" which would justify an invasion of Cuba by the U.S.

what a lot of good work maureen has done this is required reading for al americans

Maureen Farrell has a copious amount of valuable and informative writings, all meticulously researched and linked.

She may not be well-known (yet), but her body of work is impressive, and convincing.

Check out her archives for a whole slew of True Gems.

For Sandy D.: Thanks for the heads-up about Thom Hartmann's book.

I was 22 years old when Kennedy was murdered. Up until that point I assumed government leaders told the truth (Ike was president while I was growing up, and would he lie?). Then I saw the Zapruder film...it's so bloody obvious that the last shot came from the grassy knoll. For God's sake, Kennedy's brains went all over Jackie, who was on his left! Explain how a shot from Oswald's location could possibly have caused that to happen.

Then I read a few books. LBJ wanted the Warren Commission to say Oswald acted alone, because he was afraid of two things: 1) The country going into panic at the thought of a conspiracy, during the Cold War, and 2) People would say he was involved
(they said that anyway).

The point was, the Warren Commission looked at the evidence in the same way Cheney and Rumsfeld looked at pre-war intelligence in re Iraq...they cherry-picked facts to support the conclusion they wanted to reach, and rejected those that didn't conform. Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to go to war, and the Warren Commission wanted Oswald to be a lone assassin.

Then we learned that a C.I.A. coup had installed the Shah of Iran in place of a popularly elected leader. We learned that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was contrived to justify a Vietnam war build-up (by the same LBJ who had called Barry Goldwater a
"warmonger" six months earlier). And that the C.I.A. ousted Allende in Chile and put Pinochet in, also that it committed atrociites in Guatemala for decades. The list goes on.

The difference with the Bush crowd is that they don't care what anyone thinks. JFK might have been murdered by the Mafia (my belief), by the C.I.A., by anti-Castro Cubans angry over the Bay of Pigs, by the Russians (not likely), or by a Texas cabal with or without LBJ. The "Oswald did it" crowd has belittled skeptics and gotten away with it, because the skeptics are divided on what really happened (a la the Oliver Stone film).

But at least LBJ had enough respect for public opinion to appoint a bi-partisan commission (though he tried to influence it at the same time). If Bush would do the same with Iraq intelligence, prisoner abuse, election fraud, Halliburton, etc., it would go far to restore trust. But he doesn't care if he isn't trusted, as long as he's feared.

Just been reading this, and some of the links.

Holy shit.. and I thought I didn't like our Government before.. I can't believe people aren't being shown this stuff on a regular basis so we can actually FIX this country.

Corruption is rotting the core of our country and destroying all hopes of saving our once great nation. If the people don't wake up soon, we might be in for centuries of oppression and abuse by the rich-elite in this country (and world). We need to cut out ALL of this crap before the stench of it permanantly destroys us. If we don't, soon our only recourse will be a full on revolution.. again..

RLM writes: "But at least LBJ had enough respect for public opinion to appoint a bi-partisan commission"

very true, and reminiscent of a line I read from Chris Floyd recently, where he wrote:

"This is what you must understand: Bush and his faction do not care if they have "the consent of the governed" or not. They are not interested in governing at all, in responding to the needs and desires and will of the people. They are only interested in ruling, in using the power of the state to force their radical agenda of elitist aggrandizement and ideological crankery on the nation, and on the world. "

What is the saying? Choose your enemies wisely, for you will become them. Is that it?

It seems that slowly over the decades a shadow government has come into being. Now it is emerging from the shadows. Shades of Star Wars.

The most important thing is that we not give them what they cannot take. They can take the liberty of our bodies, but not the liberty of our souls.

That is what they truly desire, I think. Money and power are powerful drugs for who seek them, but what they want most of all is the surrender of people's souls.

This generation's moment of truth is approaching.

It seems that when we defeated the Nazis, the seed of fascism was planted in our society.

Thanks for this post, WP. WOW! I can't read the entire article until after Thxgiving, but will be salivating until then for all the details.

So - no surprise - the defense contractors are the ones controlling our gov't. Theocratic Oligarchial Corporatocracy.

Just follow the money.

WP --- I was reading Maureen Farrell's article last night, and I told myself I'd sneak in a link to it somewhere in a Brad Blog post today. This is much better.

IMO, although it is very important, in terms of justice and experience on which to build, that the truth of all the elite and shadow connections throughout the years be uncovered, the most important thing is that people reject the whole post-WWII paradigm of power elites, clandestine shadow organizations, world as a chess game, moral blindness, corporate/government/military identity and gigantism; etc. The Busheviks (and most of the current political leadership) are in a desperate (and confused), last ditch effort to save and advance something demonstrably irrational and immoral - which, strange to say, was thought particularly rational and to which millions of people unthinkingly assign morality. (And it can't be advanced anymore outside of fascism.)

The most important thing any of us can do is to divest ourselves of any remaining psychological investment in the post-WWII political, economic, and cultural paradigm that has produced global devastation and has degraded culture and basic human values and perceptions exponentially as its proponents and leaders have used their control of developing technology and media/propaganda techniques. (With the willing assistance of blind economists, enabling preachers, marketers, and the ever-present myriads who confuse individual self-interest with right.)

Our job, IMO, beyond necessarily focusing on the acute criminality currently being perpetrated by the Busheviks, is no less than rescuing us from this train wreck of human values, culture, democracy, self-worth and dignity (often including murderous criminality) - that is result of the post-WWII world view - a tough assignment as most of us have lived with the world view all our lives, even naturally admired many of its aspects. (Is it recovery of the soul? That's another discussion.)

It is interesting to see the progression and diversity of remarks on the thread. Sometimes, it seems like there is some hope.

Hey.

We all have fantasies and illusions. Think those don't spill over into our concepts and views about our country and our government?

I do not have a friggin clue when it comes to what really happened in great mysteries of the past.

But I do know what did not happen and I do know when the official story is rank bullshit.

When we start talking about the Kennedy assassination in the context of "tired of being lied to?" I have to say, get over it.

We will not solve the Kennedy assassination, nor will we ever believe the official story ("we" meaning most of us).

If you still want to solve that case, you are a most likely a junk collector. And you have a lot of old, old stuff stored at your place.

And let me tell a secret, some of those folk I will not help move any more. My back won't take it.

These folk have things in their place that are close to being fossils, are heavy, yet they speak of it as if it was yesterday.

Move it yourself. You want heavy? You think heavy is a thing of the past?

We have serious problems right now. And they do not have to do with who killed Kennedy.

Trying to verify a nexus as broad as the sky is a fools errand.

There is plenty to do about the real problems we are facing at the present moment.

Dredd, I'd have to disagree with you to a certian degree (and agree to a point, as well).

If we can get "full disclosure" about things like Kennedy, we can get a better picture of exactly what went wrong with our country (we have a pretty good idea now, but the more complete the picture, the better).

Granted, we have "serious issues now that need our attention", but as with too many cooks in the kitchen, we can't all be "fixing things" all the time. And, some people have more spare time than others.. they can be working multiple fronts at once..

I'd like to know who was really behind Kennedy (for example). When I read Maureen's list of how Bush/Cheney/Rummy have been tied to "washington" for soooo many years, a little light went on in my head. How many other people don't know to what extent our current Administration has been behind the scenes pulling strings? Most, I'd wager.. When corruption and deciet are your most veracious enemies, knowing your past and who is in bed with what helps devise a battle plan.

Thanks, WP! Vital stuff...you can pick up much of the information piecemeal if you're really obsessed (like me, I confess). But it's SO useful to have a compilation.

Anyone know if this will be out in booklet form? or book (since there are sooooo many cross refrences)?

I should send this link out to people.. but the only computer literate person I know that isn't already kind of on this is my 78 year old grandpa.. and he's not got the constitution to sit and read all this online..

Dredd - I'm not sure if any of your post was referring to mine (I don't think so), but my words tend to support yours in regard to the Kennedy assassination, which I wasn't referring to at all. I hope I didn't give the wrong impression or was unclear.

I did speak of the posts on this thread which I thought were progressing to a deeper understanding (or at least articulation) of what we currently face as a society. (Getting beyond "mysteries".)

(I do hope, however, we reach a point where the truth of history means something to most Americans. Maybe it's part of what we are working toward.)

The Farrell history (so far...looking forward to Parts 2 and 3) is very helpful. However, that LBJ date of 1937 probably should be 1967, yes? I've written BuzzFlash to correct.

Wait a minute though! By 1967 LBJ was enjoying an audience with the Pope...so I think maybe we was sorta far along in his career by then. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1463.html In 1937, he WAS just starting out http://bioguide.congress...display.pl?index=J000160 , and I think her date is correct. Sorry for the false alarm, folks.

LBJ was a freshman congressman in 1937, age 29.
He idolized FDR, which is really amazing because the two had little in common on the surface.

But they both loved wielding power, were often ruthless and sometimes overreached (LBJ/Vietnam, FDR/Supreme Court). They were great manipulators of people. They stayed married to the same woman while cheating on the side. Both had serious health problems and died before age 65.

What separates them, in my view, is that Johnson allowed personal grievances (against the Kennedys in particular and rich aristocrats in general) to influence his actions. Roosevelt was an aristocrat himself, above class jealousies, and was able to put the needs of the country first.

I think FDR would have winced to see how, in the wake of World War II, the United States switched gears so quickly from fighting Nazis to paranoia toward Communists, and everything that followed from that would have pained him...HUAC, McCarthyism, C.I.A. abuses, the arms race, and especially Vietnam. FDR would have snorted out loud about the Domino Theory; he saw Communists as economic idealists, never as an orchestrated conspiracy out to enslave the world.

Bush, especially, would have horrified FDR, I think.

Arry #27

No, I was not criticizing anyone.

I just try to keep up a focus so we do not fragment. A generation was mystified by that assassination and was shocked by the way the evidence was handled. The event has fragmented into almost countless varieties ... like religion tends to do.

Yet the many suspicions were given at least some official recognition when congress revisited the issue and held that a lone gunman is not the way it happened. Yet they could not solve the case and the religion-like movement goes on in its many variations even as we speak.

The 9/11 commission, like the commission that looked at the assassination, did not satisfy many people who are more inclined to analyze the report closely.

The reason 9/11, in our current and yet not completed recent history, is not popular to most people is that they are afraid they could not handle the true facts and therefore, for personal emotional and mental protection, avoid the issue.

How many times have you heard it said in families "we don't talk about politics or religion"?

Families fragment and break up over issues and political movements can be hijacked by association with controversial issues that really do not bear on the goal of the movement.

For Dredd and Robert Lockwood Mills: I'll confess to be a collector, though I prefer to call it history rather than junk.

I was 16 when Kennedy was assassinated. I read Mark Lane's RUSH TO JUDGMENT a few years later and have never believed the "Lone Gunman" party line.

The new Thom Hartmann book is called ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. Yesterday Hartmann interviewed his co-author (Lamar Waldron) on Hartmann's daily local (not national) radio show in Portland OR on Air America.

The book concludes the Mafia did it and the government wanted to avoid having a real investigation which might have/would have revealed that the US government was 10 days from executing a coup in Cuba. The Mafia's motive? The unremitting harassment by AG Bobby Kennedy.

I always hoped I would live long enough to learn the truth about the Kennedy assassination. This book and a person of integrity in the White House in 2008 could get us there. (Remember, Clinton released the documents on all the immoral and unethical medical trials that the US government was involved in: (U of Cinn. radiation experiments, etc.)

Here is a review of Hartmann's book from: http://hartmannwatchwatc...new-book-on-kennedy.html

by Staff, PW Daily --- 11/10/2005

The latest book to join the Kennedy assassination canon is due out November 18 from Carroll & Graf. Ultimate Sacrifice asserts that a planned Cuban coup is the major reason the conspiracy to kill the president has been covered up so well for so long. Salon will be running a 5,000 word excerpt on November 22.
Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFKLamar Waldron With Thom Hartmann. Carroll & Graf, $33. (904p.) ISBN 0-7867-1441-7
There has been a long hiatus in significant books on the JFK assassination since Gerald Posner's Case Closed argued in 1993 that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Posner took the CIA’s lack of involvement for granted, and that, according to this mammoth and painstakingly researched account, was a big mistake. It is Waldron and Hartmann's (The Edison Game) contention—bolstered by access to many previously unavailable files, and interviews with little-known as well as prominent figures—that the CIA knew a great deal about the assassination. But the agency couldn't admit what it knew because that could uncover the existence of a U.S. plan for a coup in Cuba, run by JFK's brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy. The assassination, say the authors, was carried out by hired gunmen on the orders of three noted Mafia dons whose lives were being made miserable byRFK's ruthless pursuit—and these Mafia men knew about the planned invasion because they had worked with the CIA on previous efforts to topple Castro. Oswald, long a hidden CIA agent, was set up as the patsy, and it had always been Jack Ruby's job to eliminate him if he wasn't killed at the scene of Kennedy’s shooting.How well do the authors make their case? With a relentless accumulation of detail, a very thorough knowledge of every political and forensic detail and the broad perspective of historians rather than assassination theorists. They spend perhaps too much time with people they admire, like the late Enrique Ruiz Williams (who was to replace Castro in the planned coup). They also cannot resist chasing stories of only marginal relevance to their principal one, like what really happened to Che Guevara in Cuba. But no future historian of that tormented period in American history will be able to ignore their very convincing presentation, even if a lay reader may feel overwhelmed by the sheer weight of the evidence. B&w photos. (Nov. 18)

# posted by WhodaThunkit : 11/06/2005 04:53:00 PM

So I guess this thread stands for the proposition that we should find out who shot Kennedy and forget about criminal voting machine fraud?

I respectfully submit that such a path is folly and that the current lying admin and congress should be the focus.

Dredd re #33 --- If a thread can be said to stand for anything, then in my opinion this thread stands for the proposition that we should learn about our past as well as our present.

If you disagree, fine. Disagree all you like.

I must concur with Peg #25, I have been reading about all of this for 30 years. I can see how our history intersects with the present...have mentioned before...same play...different players. (Thyssen mentioned is the present company in U.S. that builds elevators, major corporation.) Senator Arlen Spector is the one who came up with the 'single bullet theory' (Kennedy"). Spector was also the one who gave Anita Hill such a horrible time during the Hill/Thomas (SC) hearings. He is a very powerful republican.....he was very young when he came up with the theory of one bullet bouncing all over the place...but it served him well and he has profited greatly through the years. You will see him parroting the bushco lie often. I believe we must know our history to understand how we have come to be where we are today. We are in serious trouble and it is imperative to understand how we came to this point.

I agree we must now deal with the crisis at hand.
But when one realizes the trend that Maureen is so thoroughly in the process of outlining, then one can get a better understanding of how to deal with the crisis. The American people need to see what this country has been about, know that we have had a corrupt government forever and now it is time to clean house. The American people need to know this did not start with bush '43. The Big Lie must be exposed to all of those in this Country for I fear we, as a people, are a great deal behind a lot of people in the World that know the U.S. is not what it pretends to be.

I applaud this expose' and I hope it awakens million of Americans. Let the Truth be known and the Liars exposed. Then let us start rebuilding from the ground up. Thank you WP for posting this. M4

For those who aren't yet tired of reading about the JFK assassination, Robert Parry has just posted this long but possibly interesting piece: The Enduring JFK Mystery by Lisa Pease

I found her final three paragraphs especially relevant to this thread:

Kennedy’s consistent refusal to allow America to become an empire, and his desire to avoid a “pax Americana” may have been key motives for his assassination.

The topic of the Iraq War and the lies that took the nation to war was a frequent sub-theme at the conference. To many of the 135 people gathered, history is one long through line. By not confronting the lies we were given about the assassination and demanding government accountability, we essentially agreed to look the other way, empowering government to lie to us about other events.

To study the assassination is to peer into the yawning chasm between what we are told happened, and our true history. Information empowers us to take corrective action. Disinformation – or a lack of information – keeps us out of the loop, unable to make appropriate choices for oversight. Nowhere has that point been brought home more strongly than in the buildup to war in Iraq.

I am very glad to have this timeline. I have read much but not all of the information on the Internet since Kerry took a dive last year and other people who are new to this information need a timeline.

I have thought of writing one but am not an author and would have taken a year so I am very glad to have something to give people who are having moments of ephiphany with the Iraq War and the unraveling corruption scandals.

One thing no one has mentioned is the "coincidence" of Robert Kennedy being murdered during a run for Presidency just a few years after his brother was murdered.

The Dr. Hammond "Greenbaum Speech" on several sites including http://www.Raven1.net/ about the "Manchurian Candidates" and how MK-ULTRA created them and the one of the letters in MK-ULTRA stands for Assassin is very detailed about the mind control of Timothy McVeigh and in outlining the deep codes needed for the levels of trauma said that he read that Sirhan Sirhan does not remember shooting Robert Kennedy except under hypnosis and Dr. Hammond said he would love to interview Sirhan.

Why has there been so few, if any interviews or writing on the "lone gunman" who survived?

#37 Lena....took at look at the site you linked. This information is definitely one for 'tin foil hat wearers'. I have encountered some of the information presented here in my search for Truth, on different sites. Many will find this information so 'out there' they will dismiss eveything being written. A great deal of homework will be required. I have an open mind and am not afraid to look, but always read with, what I consider, healthy scepticism. I do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I believe the truth is out there. One must approach this information with a great deal of discernment and a lot to time is required to research these topics and come to an understanding within oneself ie: does this feel like truth. Questions will be answered, when one begins to ask the questions. M4

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Audit Me!

By Cindy Sheehan

http://new.petitiononlin...d_perl/signed.cgi?met7az

Dear Friends,

The above link is a petition to have the IRS audit me.

I have publicly said for months that I am not paying my 2004 income taxes.

Since my husband and I split and he filed separately, and I didn't make one penny in 2004, I don't think I owe any, anyway.

I welcome the chance to go to trial, or be audited for not paying my taxes.

Then I can tell the world why:
George Bush and his lying bunch of criminal neocons deceived the world into an illegal and immoral invasion of a country that was no threat to the USA. My oldest, dearest son is dead because of their lies. Give me back Casey and I'll pay your damn taxes.

I also think it is immoral to pay taxes to feed the War Department and to fund more killing.

If these people think they are hurting me by their petition, I smile. I am thinking of signing it myself.

Love and peace soon,
Cindy