It's funny that Chuck Hagel, former CEO of ES&S who got elected with his own voting machines, would be the only Republican Senator currently making noise about Iraq.

Is he jumping a sinking ship to save himself? I don't know. Regardless, It's good to hear someone in Republican party speak with a little sanity.

P.S. Nice interview with Joan and Warren, Brad. The reason Tom DeLay killed the Voter Confidence Act is because it had enough support from Republicans to pass.

A comment like this from Hagel indicates that the house of cards may be starting to fall. Hagel seems to be someone who keeps alert for whatever will be the "winning" side and tries to move there fast. (E.g., one of the first to hop on the electronic voting machine bandwagon.)

Other than this it is hard to imagine why he would be taking the lead.

Is he starting to sense the groundswell of public opinion on this issue?

When is he up for reelection?

Time magazine said they chose Bush as "Person of the Year" for, and I quote:
"...for reframing reality to match his design..."

Hmm. Curious, ain't it? Sounds strikingly similar to, and I quote the Downing Street Memo:
"...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..."

Could Bush be impeached for the same reasons Time magazine decided he should be marked as Person of the Year?

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." --Morpheus, The Matrix

If anyone's interested - C-Span, "Road to the Whitehouse", starting now, will have General Clark's recent keynote address to New Hampshire democratic activists at the Manchester Flag Day Dinner.

It's starting now (6:30 eastern time) - General Clark will be on after Rep. Tom Tancredo (R), maybe 6:45 or so.

A sad irony is that I just happened across this comment http://www.alternet.org/...;cID=10069&sID=22181 on a thread commenting on Ron Kovic's new Introduction to a reissue of his book Born on the Fourth of July.

The comment briefly remarks on Howard Dean's back-pedaling on his stance re: the Iraq war. ("Even Howard Dean, in his role as DNC chair, has reversed his celebrated anti-war stance in favor of a sickening capitulation to the right-wing mantra that we have no choice but to remain there and slog it out, no matter the cost in dollars or lives...shades of Nam, as the body bags just keep filling up.")

How sad and ironic, if Howard Dean now says we have to stay in Iraq, and Chuck Hagel of all people is taking the lead in admitting that we are losing the war.

Hearing this about Dean for the second time in a week is discouraging. I want to believe that it isn't true.

OT - 9/11

On the same thread about Ron Kovic's book I came across a comment about 9/11 and seismic "spikes".

See here.

"Another interesting side-story that I've only seen mentioned in the American Free Press, and corroborated no where else has to do with seismic data collected by Columbia University the morning of 9/11. According to the AFP, seismograph evidence clearly indicates sharp, anomalous spikes of 2.3 and 2.1 on the Richter long after each building was hit by aircraft and immediately prior to the collapse of each structure. I saved the article. Anybody got something to add to this one?"

I don't think I've heard anyone else mention this before--is it a rumour or is it true?

Catherine A

Yes, it is true there were seismic spikes. The only question is how you interpret them. The main problem is that the timeline of the spikes and the timeline of the collapse can't be matched up precisely. For more on 911 got to www.911truth.org . The latest newsworthy item is the article by Morgan Reynolds, a former member of the Bush Administration.

On a general note, I just watched a tape of the DSM "hearing." What a lot of intelligent, knowledgable, and caring people. After listening to all the testimony, there can be no doubt that if there is an honest investigation into this that Bush and his group will be impeached if not put in jail.

"THINGS AREN'T GETTING BETTER; THEY'RE GETTING WORSE. THE WHITE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY," [REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK] HAGEL TELLS U.S. NEWS. "IT'S LIKE THEY'RE JUST MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG. THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE LOSING IN IRAQ."

I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO GET poor old jimmo's TAKE ON ALL OF THIS!!!

Scott Ritter Says U.S. Plans June Attack On Iran

By Mark Jensen

02/19/05 --United for Peace of Pierce County (WA) - - Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia’s Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005.

YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

LOOKS LIKE SCOTT RITTER GOT WACKED ON THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT BY THE FATHER ON ONE OF THOSE 14 YEAR OLDS!

VERY BIZARRE!

US NEWS SAYS HE SAID THIS ON SATURDAY, BUT NOT A SINGLE MORNING TALK SHOW DISCUSSED THIS TODAY, PROBABLY BECAUSE HAGEL HAS ALREADY CHALLENGED WHAT HE SAID VERSUS WHAT US NEWS PRINTED HE SAID.

YOU SUPPOSE US NEWS WAS PERHAPS TRYING TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF THE TRAITOR DICK DURBIN LIKE THEY ARE AKIN TO DO TIME AND AGAIN FOR THE DEMOCRATS!

WILL DICK DURBIN TAKE UP ANYBODY'S CHALLENGE TODAY, WHETHER IT WAS RUSSERT, STEPHANOUPOLSI, FOX NEWS ANYBODY ???

EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHEN DICKY POO WILL RESIGN.

We need to work on moderate Republicans, let them know that they don't have to go down with a sinking ship.

We need the votes to have an official hearing.

JIMMO, you better put some women's clothes on real quick because Bush's "unsinkable" SS GOP has just struck Truth's iceberg and is taking water fast!

Moments later......from the safety of your lifeboat, amid the screams, you hear the strains of John Ashcroft leading the band with a stirring rendition of "Nearer, My God, to Thee" as your once "Grand Old Party" violently lurches and goes down in a sea of loathing.

Repost

" You should change your username to "HERPES" ,you just don't seem to go away no matter what treatment we use!

"

Maybe JIMMO should be "JACKO" he seems to have this thing for 14 year old boys!!!!!!!!!!

REpost to JIMMO
" You should change your username to "HERPES" ,you just don't seem to go away no matter what treatment we use!

"

Chuck Hagel, of all people , is turning out to be a half decent congressman. He has spoken the truth on many issues, unlike the "republobotomized" members of the party. Remember that Hagel "won" his congressional race in a highly questionable upset victory on electronic voting machines, which makes him highly suspect as a legitimate member of congress, but he seems to have a better grip on reality than most Reublicans.

Bushw@cker #12 -

Not "Let the Eagle Soar?"

It helps to own the voting machine company don't ya think.

{Comment deleted. Jimmo, you have been warned about posting entire articles. You can post a few paragraphs and a link to the original if you wish. Beyond that, knock it the fuck off. Are you fucking four years old or what? Continue, and we *will* contact AOL concerning the abusive use of your account here. You may better serve your point of view by acting like an adult instead of a kindergartner. But it's up to you. - BF}

Yeah Peg C, "Let the Eagle Soar" was featured in John's underwater set!
:-)

JIMMO, DREAM ON!

JIMMO, DREAM ON!

Beware of Chucky. (i) He may mean America should ESCALATE the war with more soldiers, more time, more bombs, more money (ii) Just because he makes a comment, it doesn't automatically mean he's not on GWB's side (iii) He probably would never VOTE against GWB. I wouldn't trust Chucky and his voting machines...watch and wait...you'll see his true colors.

Each new utterance of disapproval from a person like Hagel gets rave reivews at Bradblog. Each new report of American deaths brings screams of "I told you so" from the progressives.

Now Bradblog is asking for donations. Brad, I have decided to DOUBLE MY OFFER. Since 99% of your followers believe that the Bush tax cuts were unfair as they disproportionately "rewarded" the rich, (who pay taxes), here is your chance to get $2000, with another $2000 to the first person who can demonstrate that America's poor people pay income taxes.

Once we determine that poor DO NOT pay income taxes, then we can quit carping about how it isn't fair that they didn't get a tax cut! You can't cut zero percent, can you?

$4000 total. I am prepared to write two checks - for $2000 each. Any takers?

It will take a lot of $20 donations to make up for your missed opportunity here.

The only Republican Senator that can talk back to Bush is the only one more connected to the voting machines than Bush is. That's how it works.

On 16 October 2002, President Bush told the American people that "I have not ordered the use of force. I hope that the use of force will not become necessary."
We know now that this statement was itself a lie, that the president, by late August 2002, had, in fact, signed off on the 'execute' orders authorising the US military to begin active military operations inside Iraq, and that these orders were being implemented as early as September 2002, when the US Air Force, assisted by the British Royal Air Force, began expanding its bombardment of targets inside and outside the so-called no-fly zone in Iraq.

http://english.aljazeera...BA-A949-2096A02F864D.htm

I agree with you about Chuck Hagel

For JIMMO
http://www.washingtonmon...idual/2005_06/006537.php

Hey, Brickhead..Buckshot..whatever your name is.

Here are the rules of capitalism.

Middle class people (upper and lower) are the backbones of a strong economy. The more money we have, the more likely we'll spend. The very very rich people are bound by law to reinvest their money into some kind capital venture, or they will get penalized for it. This creates a balanced economy. If the very very rich are hiding their money in off shore tax shelters, the economy
suffers. The rich are already getting a free ride from the rules of capitalism, unnecessary tax cuts for the very rich compounds the problem.
Poor people aren't hiding any of their money in tax shelters. They contribute their meager earnings to the
economy just the same.

Now take your schizophrenic racist unejumicated rants elsewhere. Many others here have already "aksed" you to. You're tax discussions have been off topic for the last several posts. Get over it.

Buckshot is just using his distraction techniques and sophistry to avoid the REAL issue here - the youth voter turnout of 2004!

HA!

I ask you all to ignore Buckshot. WHEN HE PUTS HIS $4000. in an ESCROW account with someone we trust, then we can refute him.

He has no honor. How does he face himself in the mirror? Even if he is paid for these disruptions, does not the whore occasionally hate herself?

Brad, can we not banish this guy, who has reneged on a lost challenge already?

MMIXX #25-All these ugly truths coming out now in the DSMinutes, the illegal bombing of Iraq began months before the official "declaration of war", etc. is happening AGAIN in IRAN!!! An article by Scott Ritter in www.informationclearinghouse.info is an upsetting read to say the least! I am so furious, horrified, and stunned at this news, ( I had read this before, but with the nightmare that is Iraq, I naivelythought there was no way they could start ANOTHER WAR!) Although, with what I now know regarding 9/11, how could I still be so naive as to what these MURDERING, PSYCHOTIC BASTARDS will do to carry out their PNAC agenda?

Dear Jimmo,
My favotite bit from your comment #18 is when you say," Until tonight,however, no one questioned the authenticity of the documents....That has now changed...." and then it turns out the person questioning them is you. Excellent work. You might want to give the White House a call. You're just the kind of person they like working the press room.

Sorry to be off subject here Brad, but to add to my previous post, it is so utterly frightening that Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld Perle, etc, were referred to during the Reagen Administration as "The Crazies in the basement" are now running the Government of the most powerful nation on earth!! OMG!

I have to say folks, and this seems like the appropriate thread, that the whole big picture is a disgusting rotting pile of decay. Eric Blumrich of BushFlash posted a video called "Rise" about 9/11

Am I naive? Maybe, but who WANTS to believe this?

I sent the following to Kira. I Have never seen this subject brought up here, but I had a very harsh realization this weekend. I guess it was because I just did not wish to think that something so vile and horrific could happen in our country and by our own government. To me this is NOT just a theory but it connects all the dots. I am compiling a ton of data for my site on this subject.

Here are a couple of links to think about. Videos and the last one is a page from the Website of Controlled Demolition, Inc. that has a contract with the United States Department of Defense:

Eric Blumrich (Bush Flash) - BUSH FLASH - RISE

And this page of videos
VIDEOS

And this documentary page -
More Video Views

And This One:
In Plane Site

Controlled Demolition, Inc.
WEBSITE

Department of Defense (DOD)
Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI) has the appropriate experience and expertise to assist Department of Defense (DOD) agencies and contractors in demolition operations on sensitive projects, domestically and internationally. Through the support of our international network of offices and agent relationships, Controlled Demolition Incorporated can respond promptly for defense-related consulting and performance requests on short notice.

Movies of their demolitions
DEMOLITION MOVIES

Post your pics here.

Hey, people,

It's a magical time of year: the summer solstice -

No, no no. I've got to learn to control this monster! Meant to post a postage stamp!

winter for some

jpentz #34

This subject has been dealt with here from time to time. Brad says he is sitting on the fence on this one. Therefore it is not highlighted in particular.

Another excellent website is http://911research.com/. It is logical and systematic and clearly documents all sources of information.

Peg - I fixed it for you.

Buckshot - Your distractions to speak about tax nonsense, aside from being insulting since you make assumptions about "99%" of BRAD BLOG readers who you know nothing about, based on zero evidence, are also obnoxious because you have no intention of honoring your challenge. Do as UNIREALIST suggest, put the money into Escrow, and then we'll talk.

Beyond that, you're hot air like your friend JIMMO (who found the CAPS KEY! KEWL!)

Sarah #33,

See also Robert Fisk's disturbing article http://www.informationcl...use.info/article9194.htm
"We are all complicit in these vile acts of torture - but what can we do about it?"

Hi all,

I just made a post at LoadedMouth That comment by Hagel reminded me of it.

Nearly 16 years ago, a group of four military officers and a civilian predicted the rise of terrorism and anti-American insurgencies with chilling accuracy.

"Today, the United States is spending $500 million apiece for stealth bombers," the group wrote in a 1989 article that appeared in a professional military journal. "A terrorist stealth bomber is a car with a bomb in the trunk - a car that looks like every other car."

The rest is here:

Prescient insurgency experts want tactical changes

And this is one of the authors predictions today:

"There's nothing that you can do in Iraq today that will work," said Lind, one of the original Fourth Generation Warfare authors. "That situation is irretrievably lost."

I think of it as a self-fulfilling prophesy. The Repugs then were just as stupid as the repugs now. And the Dem's are not far behind.

I recently saw a fascinating program here called Lateline (kinda like 60 Minutes). Check out the transcript. Every American should read this VERY carefully:

Ex-army leader recalls pre-war speech

The last question reply sums it up:

TIM COLLINS: Having served in Iraq and having seen Iraq shortly after the invasion happened, it was clear to me and even when I asked, "What is the plan for rebuilding Iraq? "How should we set about setting these people back on their feet?" The answer is, "There is no plan. Make it up as you go along." We made it up as best we could. I think it behoved the Western alliance to have had some form of plan to re-establish Iraq, put it back on its feet, after we'd taken away Saddam's regime and one must be left with the conclusion either there was no plan because of incompetence or there is no plan because of malice. I don't know which one it is and I think history will judge harshly looking at the state of Iraq now. As I also said to the BBC, if you create a vacuum, you've got to live with what goes into that vacuum and nature abhors politics and we're living with the result of the vacuum we created in Iraq and that is costing young Iraqis blood. It is also taking British soldiers, American soldiers and Australian soldiers' lives as well.

Drats! Sorry... somehow the Italics got screwed up! Looked fine in the preview!

Buckshot.. I bet if I had $200,000 to give you... you still wouldn't be able to prove that we weren't lied to about the lockdown in Ohio or prove that the FBI were wrong to dispute the claims being made there. (Which, under the circumstances of the event... blatantly points to election fraud by Blackwell... to steal Ohio) - You can't even come close to disproving the theory... because that's how blatant it is.

How about something simpler, 'cuz the above is an awkward one to prove either way... - How about $200,000 for substantial proof of WMDs in Iraq, hell...

Even $700 million of UNAUTHORIZED spending by the corrupt neocon scum in the whitehouse couldn't do it!!!

But I'm sure you could!!!

Fuck impeachment... Bush and those around him deserve prison... in Uzbekistan preferably.

Hagel is in a strong position vs. the White House. He knows where the skeletons are, because it was his company. E.S.&S., that initiated electronic fraud when he first ran for the Senate.

Hagel has the goods on Bush, and Karl Rove knows it. Rove can't attack Hagel as a fraud, because that would open up Pandora's Box. Can you imagine the headline in the Washington Post?

WHITE HOUSE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS SUGGEST NEBRASKA SENATOR WAS ELECTED BY FRAUD

RLM, #45: Wow, what a great point! Why have we missed that? Hagel KNOWS and CAN PROVE how Bush got elected. He's immune! I love it! Let's see how far he can go with his criticism.

A young friend of ours spent a tour in Iraq as a sniper. We had him over for dinner recently. One of my questions was this: "Is Baghdad a beautiful city?"

He hesitated for a moment, and then said, a bit awkwardly, "You can tell it used to be..."

In all the years of the Bush administration, there's never been 1 single Republican out of step. Now, it's astronomical. Maybe they're distancing themselves from him, because there IS something big that's going to happen...like impeachment.

Was it Chuck Hagel who was the head of ES&S computerized voting machines, had them installed in Nebraska's elections, then stepped down, and won the election? Is that the same guy? I don't mean to put him in a bad light at the moment, because he speaks the truth about the Bush administration, but..............

Well, I was definitely on the "it would never happen" side of the fence. But have listened to a lot of witness testimony, especially in that one film short on one of those links by the firemen that were going in and out of the buildings talking about a rapid series of explosions going off. It begins to make a lot more sense and fits in very well with this whole puzzle.

I don't think anyone wants to believe it, but the explanations are much more feasible and real than the official story in the books I have. I believe Ray McGovern also spoke something about this on Brad's show. Also there is another former Bush staffer, Morgan Reynolds, Clinton carry over, Chief Economist on Bush's first term, is now saying that there is a bigger picture on 911.

Article from UPI and the Washington Times:
Morgan Reynold's from the Washington Times

This story just broke this week and caused and uproar.

I dunno if Brad is truly sitting on the fence on this one. I don't blame him if he is. However, I personally am going from our government being complacent to actively taking part in the "New Pearl Harbor". as stated in the PNAC

Pieces of the puzzle, at least for me, are starting to fit together. One has to wonder, how long it takes to properly outfit a building with explosives to pull it in a uniform manner as was seen and admitted to on WTC.

Also one has to wonder at the speed at which the news reported "19' islamist hijackers and had their names and all their movements within a day and was reporting it as fact.

Just my thoughts and since this is an open thread, I thought I would get others thoughts on this.

IF the PNAC, Bush/Cheney, did this, they have murdered thousands, by blowing up the buildings and sending our people to die in a false war. It fits with Downing Street. Why did Bush/Cheney vet ever document and refuse to testify publicly and on the record? Why does the 9/11 report read like a novel?

Moreover, if people think the official story was true. Why do people think so? I brought this up because I feel like talking about it.

Correction on World Trade Center 7

It came down at 4 in the afternoon on 9/11. Anyone know how long it takes to set up a controlled demolition? Properly? That buidling was admitted to by it's owner as to being "pulled".

Never before in history as a building come down in that amount of time in such a manner as completely demolished, due to "fires".

Brad,

I stand by my statement that 99% of your followrs (one person - Catherine A from Ireland) understands that the lower income classes in America have no tax liability. The rest (the 99+%) of Bradbloggers subscribe to one or all of the following views.....

1) Buckshot is a butthead
2) Buckshot is an a**hole
3) Buckshot can't tell the truth, because I don't like him
4) We know that poor people pay all the taxes, so Buckshot must be lying.
5) We refuse to accept what the IRS data tells us -we can't let Buckshot be right.
6) Our whole philosophy revolves around being victims of the rich, Buckshot is telling us we aren't victims.
7) We like income redistribution because non of us earns much.
8) Buckshot is a poo poo head.

Brad, putting $4000 in an escrow would be fine, but certainly not under your control. It is in fact in escrow now, in my checking account. I will write two checks for $2000 each, just as soon as someone on this blog demonstrates that poor people in America are paying federal income taxes.

Brad,

I apologize for not previewing the previous post. The first sentence is cumbersome.

One percent of the Bradbloggers understand that the lower income classes don't pay income taxes. That one person is Catherine.

She is the only one of over a hundred of your regulars who understands this simple truth. The rest offer nothing but insults, diversions, and namecalling. That's pretty clear, isn't it?

My offer is good until Wednesday. $4000.

My first doubts about the official story: How could the most protected air space in the world have 3 planes flying off course for almost 45 minutes, and not intercept them? This protocol is something that was done over 50 times in the previous year.

we should all pay attention to somebody who thinks his checking account is the same as escrow?

JP - I suspect you're right on, and I hope you keep on plugging! I have to admit that my first reaction, over here in Prague, to the events of 9/11, was: "The Mossad HAS to be involved in this one!" I've yet to be convinced otherwise...

Now that the U.S. is clearly stepping up the offensive in Iraq, Hagel's observation that the White House detachment from reality is all about the fact that we are losing Iraq while the White House says we are winning, really goes hand in hand. If you read it properly, Hagel is simply supporting more fighting.

The REALITY is that we shouldn't be in Iraq.

Winter Patriot,

Your sarcastic comment about "escrow" does nothing to provide evidence that lower income Americans pay federal income taxes.

Just another diversion.

A poll showed that about 40 percent of Americans believe that poor Americans pay more income taxes than rich Americans. On this blog it appears to be 99%.

The fact is, poor Americans don't pay ANY federal income tax. Many millions of poor don't even pay FICA, as the earned income tax credit was designed to counter the payroll tax.

The vast majority of the tax burden in this country is carried by the rich and the upper middle class. A smaller portion is carried by the middle class.

NONE of the income tax burden is carried by the poor. They aren't even paying their OWN way, let alone paying income taxes.

Two more days to capitalize on my generous offer.

What the heck is this all about Buckshot???

My wife and I are low income (50% of median for the Seattle-Bellevue-Everett, WA area according to the USDA rural housing program, the HUD and the State of Washington) and we pay a TON of FICA and Federal withholdings.

What is wrong with you????

BTW... TON in this case means 25% of our earnings.

I know NOTHING of the US tax system, but if Mr. BlueSky #58 & #59 is right, it seems like a certain someones should start writing those $2.000 checks.

Peter

No, Buckshot --- you are the one bringing in the diversion. We were talking about the rigged election and the phony war on terror before you came along wanting to talk about taxes ... I was merely pointing out that you're full of shit.

JPentz, and Colleen, there is a TON of information on the web for you to read regarding 9/11. I urge everyone who has doubts about the "official story" to go to: www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html also www.prisonplanet.com and www.amics21.com/911links.html and www.tomflocco.com and www.Karlschwarz.com/articles.html as well as; www.amics21.com/911/pentagon.html#Main there are many, many more sites than this. I first got suspicious ,thanx to a link at Bradblog, about the pentagon, that was clearly not an airliner that hit it, so that got me to wonderin' "why would they falsify the pentagon hit, and the towers story be true?? So, I did some more reading, and reading and reading, and couldn't help but come to the horrifying realisation that 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!! David Ray Griffin's book is also a compelling read. There have been reports that on the weekend before 9/11, some elevators were shut down in the towers, power out, (including security cameras) and men in uniforms with boxes, going in and out of the buildings all weekend. The time it took the towers to fall, if the "pancake theory" was correct, there would have been resistance from the lower floors, 3/4ths of the towers were not damaged, how come they fell at "free fall speed"?? How come they turned to dust?? The heat from the fires was not hot enough to melt steel, and even if it was, all the steel columns would have had to have melted at the same rate for the towers to fall so uniformly!! What about the seismic spikes that occured just before the towers fell?? The reports by civilians and firefighters of explosions in the buildings?? All this and a lot more adds up to the "official story" being highly SUSPICIOUS!!!

Thanks. some of those sites I have documented up for incorporation into a series of video links. PlaguePuppy (wish he kinda used a more credible name) has numerous very credible videos on his site.

I had seen the Griffin videos and also some from prison planet, thanks to Eric Blumrich of BushFlash.

I have got to think about how I wish to organize and present this. I am also going to download and then upload some of the video for preservation purposes.

Justice must be served and the truth has to come out.

The tax issue is a red herring, since up Buckshot's sleave is his own definition of what "poor" constitutes. People who make so little they don't pay taxes.

Real numbers on taxes and impacts from Congress:

What percentage of taxes are paid by the wealthiest 5% of Americans?
The wealthiest 5 percent have 59% of the wealth and pay 38.4 percent of federal taxes. The wealthiest 1 percent have over 38 percent of the wealth and pay 24.8 percent of federal taxes. These households have an average wealth of $10.2 million and pay only 3.5 percent of their wealth in taxes. By way of comparison, the bottom 40 percent of taxpayers have an average net wealth of $1,100 and pay 163 percent of their net wealth in taxes.

If all taxpayers paid the same 10.5 percent of their wealth in taxes as median income families pay, the taxes of the lowest 40 percent would be cut by 94 percent while the taxes of the wealthiest would triple.

Source: Congressional Budget Office and United for a Fair Economy

Nonetheless, the real issue here is: What are these taxes supporting? Illegal war. Fake election reform. Torture.

Building Demolitions by Controlled Demolition, Inc as stated on their website?

JPENTZ #63- Way to go, THE BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!! I am sure you will do a great job!! In your series of video links, I hope u find the videos of Jamie Macintyre from CNN at the Pentagon say "There is no plane here" before the "official spin" was in. Also there is a video of Dan Rather saying how all three towers falling the same way "It almost looks like controlled demolition" ALMOST??!!! It looks like that because it WAS a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!! I hope and pray that 9/11 doesn't go the way of JFK and decades later people are still debating. I agree, Justice must be served and the truth has to come out, hopefully sooner rather than later!! Have u heard or read about the $120 BILLION dollars of fraudulent gold bonds that were to come DUE on the 11th or 12th of September 2001?? Had these bonds been paid, it would have exposed the "FRAUDEES" (for lack of a better word) How convenient, they don't have to pay it back, and it hides their fraud!! How convenient a "terrorist attack" occured at THIS time, hmmmmmm!!!!!! America and the world has BIG problems with this evil admin at the reins!! 9/11 is Bush's reichstag fire!

For Big Dan: Hagel's first election was a stunner. He was trailing in the polls by two percentage points the day before the election, to a popular opponent. Then he won in a "big upset," similar to Max Cleland's "upset" loss to Saxby Chambliss in 2002.

And, of course, like W.'s two counter-intuitive victories, achieved against candidates who got more votes than he did but had the extreme misfortune of not having them all counted...as with Andrew Jackson in 1824, Samuel J. Tilden in 1876, Grover Cleveland in 1888, and Richard M. Nixon in 1960 (Nixon would still have lost in the Electoral College, even if Daley hadn't stolen Illinois for Kennedy).

Election fraud has gone hi-tech, and Hagel will go down in history as the pioneer of the modern age.

Yup - things are getting worse and the administration keeps going down the same road: http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com

The very definition of insanity.

I didn't mention in my earlier post #66 that the fraudulent gold bonds were stored in the bottom of the World Trade Centre.

RE 911
I don't think the Pentagon strike should be emphasized.
It just detracts from WTC arguments.
There were so many eye witnesses stuck in traffic that saw a big, big airplane hit. I mean it could be investigated better after the 911 cover-up is exposed.

Mr. Blue Sky,

Thank you for your reply. Please remain anonymous, but tell me the following.

1) What was your gross income?
2) What was your adjusted gross income?
3) What was the total of your exemptions? (a dollar amount)
4) What was the dollar amount of your tax credits, if any?

5) What was your taxable income?

6) And finally, what was your tax liability?

If you cannot give an approximate dollar amount for those simple questions, perhaps you understand the subject.

Please do not mix FICA or other taxes in this discussion. I'm not disputing that you pay FICA, or even that a lot of poor people pay FICA.

Since you are new, let me explain. This discussion was born out of repeated comments from bloggers on this site who complained that Bush's tax cuts went disproportionately to the rich, while the poor didn't get any tax cuts. My response was (listen closely) THE POOR DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES.

That's why they didn't get a tax cut. The bush tax cut was an INCOME TAX CUT.

You can't cut zero percent. Since the poor didn't owe (or pay) any federal income taxes in the first place, they did not benefit from any cuts in the rate of federal income taxes.

Now if you want to answer the questions above (use dollar amounts, please) I will address your particulars.

First we must determine if you are poor. Then we must determine if you paid any FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

Peter,

Your first sentence says it all. You admit you know NOTHING about the subject. No more need be said.

WP,

You are an adult. You are not under any obligation to read anything I post. The author of the post is identified at the top. When you see "Buckshot", just scroll past. Perhaps you cannot control yourself, in which case, I cannot help you.

VDRES,

You say my issue is a red herring, then you dive right in and expand it by adding your spin. Let me address some of your spin... You say that the wealthiest Americans own 59% of the wealth and pay 38% of the federal taxes. So?

You are talking about their wealth, not their income. You would learn something if you looked at their income, and then saw the percentage of the nation's INCOME TAX they paid.

The rest of your example is a similar dodge. You say poor people who only have a net wealth (a net wealth??) of $1100 yet they pay 163% of that in taxes? What is that supposed to mean?

Give an example, please. I will address your example in an honest and polite manner. Be specific.

You can't just randomly copy & paste figures and prove a point. You don't even seem to understand what you're talking about. Sorry.

You know Buckshot? I don't think someone's salary or income is any of your damn business.

If this were my board I would ban you entirely, not for a dissenting opinion but due to your personal attacks and inquiries of others that you have no right to ask. Plus you are usually arguementative off topic. Fortunately for you it is not my board.

Don't feed the trolls.

VDRES re: #64 - And YOU have just hit on the reason most of us are ignoring Buckshot. He's making a challenge based on an arbitrary number - there's no way to win the game. He reminds me of the carnies on the midway when we go to county fair - just annoying little distractions that do nothing but waste time - the easiest thing to do is to just keep walking.

*****
OT

Psst..Buckshot - The polite thing to do when you don't have anything to add to re: the topic being discussed is to either wait for an open thread, or post an "off topic" alert at the top...

..but I don't think it will help your image here at this point - whether you're right or wrong, you're still behaving like an asshole.

Dang has this site become the tax reform blog or something.

Buckshot what’s it matter, did you pay enough tax to buy a hand full of bullets or enough for cruise missile, if those weapons are used in an illegal war, the bottomline is you are being lied to and therefore you are a VICTIM of this administrations lies or as Hagel says of them are you
"Disconnected from Reality" also?

BS #23: "99% of your followers "

BS #71: "You can't just randomly copy & paste figures and prove a point."

The vacuous buckshot troll pulls figures out of its arse in an attempt to prove its invalid points and only succeeds in contradicting itself. Pathetic.

bored with bucksnot ,try this link........
http://www.insider-magazine.com/

Perhaps Buckshot would like me to send him/her my family's tax returns for the past 3 years as well?

How about all the numbers to my bank accounts and credit card numbers while we're at it.

Geez!! Give me a break!!

Bucky, you need to take my word for this. I don't give out my personal financial info to anyone except my wife.

Totally OT but I wanted to share this with anyone who's interested. Tim Grieve's (of Salon) interview with General Clark is posted at WesPAC/Securing America.

Hello all --- I took a couple of days off for a family gathering and come back to see BS denying the fact that he lost the bet to Unirealist.

He swaggers onto forums across the Internet wearing a personal armor of conceit and flashing his badge of phony benevolence. He carrys a sawed off shotgun filled with spitballs rather than buckshot.

The one called buckshot grew up in a mining camp in Montana but now lives in Alaska and in my opinion has no friends. He certainly doesn't have any on the forums he rudely disrupts. Looking for a new forum that hasn't banned him is his entire life.

I don't know if he is trying to help uninformed and/or poor people commit illegalities or not, but in some of his posts at the Alaskan Kenai Peninsula Online Bulletin Board, he seems to be telling people they do not need to pay PDA tax without ever giving them the actual facts or providing links. Do they or don't they? I don't know, because I haven't studied Alaska tax laws. Whatever the answer, he seems to be like a dispicable hacker who spams people's inboxes with hoaxes designed to either injure or cause fear.

Here's the post I referred to above:

Remember, I will pay $100 to anyone who can show me in the IRS code or in Alaska law where children are required to pay inocme taxes on the PFD.

By the way, the Alaskan Kenai Peninsula Online Bulletin Board has been permanently closed due to extensive abuse.

Here's a REALLY good one from What's Left .com (ps don't let the kids read this one.)

Another at What's Left .com:
Cheryl pulls BS's shorts up around his ears (About the 20th post on the page.)

Back at Kenai, BS shows his true non-benevolant nature

Finally on Here's What's Left - the BAN

So, we know BS does not really want communication. He wants to feel powerful --- he likes to try to bully the naive and uninformed and pretend he's more intelligent than they. The funny thing is that even the most naive were able to see through his bullshit almost immediately.

Welcome home Kira.

missed ya input

was about to stand in the street and yell KIRA but thought I might get run over by a streetcar

Dayum Kira! Back with both guns blazing! Welcome "home" and thanks for all your amazing sleuthing!! (how the heck do you do that???)

Hey MMIIXX, thanks! Actually, I'm going to be posting in a very limited fashion because I pulled a muscle in my back & sitting at the computer just aggrivates it. But - I sure do love you guys!

ROCK ON Bradbloggers & a Happy Belated Father's Day to alll you Dads out there!

I pulled a muscle in my brain over at http://www.insider-magazine.com/
just trying to read all the new info relating to the Lemme murder/cover-up
what a tangled web

Hey Jen! BS has said a lot of ugly things over the 'net so I think it's important for him to know we know. Thanks to Nunya, who recognized him and keeps us up-to-date on his anti-social behavior!

Thanks for the welcome back to my other "home" - I really appreciate it!

I hope to get back to transcribing the McGovern interview maybe tomorrow.

Oooo! I've gotta work in that update at Insider mag. Thanks for the heads-up.

Jpentz #49 etc.

Maybe you have already seen this, but I found it a while back when doing some research after reading posts on an earlier thread. What struck me was the comment "It's not a.... problem, etc. it is a psychological problem." Great comment, I thought.

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#Comment 10 posted by John Galt on June 15, 2005 01:31 PM:
I think www.911research.com gives the best analysis of what really happened.
Please see here to see how a steel building should and normally behaves in a fire. It's difficult to get a fire hot enough to weaken steel. The fact it happened three times in one day in New York is absurd. It's not an engineering problem, it's not a political problem, it's not a social problem, IT IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM! How do you get Americans to confront the truth when it's so awful?

source of quote

Hi Kira- Great smack down. Transcription slow here too. Let you know when there's a breakthrough.

Boycott Advertisers in the Washington Post

Remember what we did to Sinclair Broadcasting before the election when they wanted to run the Swift Boat Liars Special? We can and must do it again to the Washington Post because articles like Millbank's are the equivalent of the Swift Boat Liars. We only need to target one media outlet and the rest will get the message that they can and will be next.

VG #87 - that's a hard one - there really is an unwillingness of some people to accept that there are huge holes in the 9/11 story as reported by the 9/11 Commission and evil twig's regime. There are some "science" types at CCN who absolutely refuse to accept a lot of the theories that are being put forth regarding for instance the way the buildings collapsed (especially #7).

Maybe one way to get people to start accepting that what we've been told is not true is to start with small things "they've" told us that are absurdly impossible - that one of the hijacker's passports was found in the wreckage of the WTC, or that ALL the passports of the hijacker's on flight 93 were found. If you look into the research being done now, independent of the 9/11 Commission, it opens up a whole world of questions that have never even been asked, let alone answered by the Commission or the regime.

I think it will be like JFK's assissination - we'll probably never really know what happened.

Kira, that sucks about your back. Have you tried Arnica? (homeopathic remedy) You can take 30C or 30X, every 3-4 hrs. as well as rub Arnica cream into the sore areas.

KIRA, Welcome back ya gorgeous thing!
You certainly pumped the sick old Troll full of lead with that spectacular drive-by-shooting!!

Ding Dong the Troll is DEAD!

Hi, all!

Thanks to Brad for fixing that horrendous boo-boo!

And yes, Mmixx, it's just us in the northern hemisphere, I know. Sorry for appearing exclusionary!

Re 9/11 -
Sibel Edmonds: The FBI and 9/11

Jen! Another herba/homeopathicl remedy friend for me! I used to research in those fields before bu$h came along --- LOL (not) !!!

Thanks for the tip on Arnica - I will try that if I can hobble to the store! But will definitely keep this advice to try next time if I can't make it this time. Hubby is away on business, so I'm taking care of myself.

I do use the original Tiger Balm, which is great.

Thanks Valleygirl and Sarah and everyone else for posting information on 9/11. Man, is this hard. The more I read, the more I don't want to read, but yet I am compelled to go on.

One of my goals is to read everything on the PNAC site. I have yet to post a link because it makes me sick. There is not a word bad enough to describe it and the horror and revulsion I feel. I have so many videos to go over. I found the pictures of the explosion at the Pentagon and there is definitely no plane, nor does the explosion even resemble a plane being there. All I remember about that one is seeing computer generated images reproducing what the crash looked like.

I did meet one lady who was at the pentagon when the explosion occurred at a meeting in DC, but she seemed to indicate feeling that it was a plane.

There is a whole lot to go over in this. And I am very afraid at what I will find.

And thank you Peg C, you must have posted at the same time I was typing my last post.

Peg C., thank you so much for #36 - it's so beautiful.

I forgot: HI, Kira! Wonderful to have you back; even better to have had you back without your aching back!

Here are some jumbled links to important things I saw earlier today -

Scott Ritter: The War in Iran Has Already Begun
No Child Left Undrugged
Andrew Christie: Once Were Whales

Thanks, Kira. It's from the series of four I did a few years ago.

Shortest day of the year (Southern Hemisphere)
My birthday!

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I'm 47, I'm not old!
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And now for some old fashion Blair Bashing.

Microsoft Word bytes Tony Blair in the butt.

PEG C #36 Loved your beautiful piece of Fractal art!
.....the bigger the better!

Bushw@cker #98 -

Happy birthday, you youngster you!

When I cached the image at ImageShack, I cached the wrong one - silly me. I was appalled. Should I post Winter Solstice for you?

happy birthday BUSHW@CKER
I'm 47 years young too

if only it was summer here ,sheeeeeeeeet its cold

Wow Peg C! I saw that earlier but had NO idea it was a creation of yours!! Killer!! Oh I'd love to see the others. Do you have them on a website?

Happy Birthday Bushw@cker!! I'm older than you and MMIIXX and I still feel young so that makes you a pup!

Thanks PEG C & MMIIXX for helping blow the candles out!
I was worried the smoke alarm was going go off at any minute!
Yeah Mick, it's bloody freezing here too!

OT-COLLEEN #70- However and whatever ways will expose the truths and cover up of 9/11, I am all for it!!

Thanks JEN [smiling broadly], the grey matter and the body seem to be roughly deteriating at the same rate, so there's a kind of harmony there, some how!

Another little tid-bit for Jpenz:

Links between Abramoff and 9/11 hijackers?

via Cannonfire

Bushw@cker! Happy Birthday - and MANY MORE! (also belated happy birthday to MMIXX.)

Strange to think about the fact you guys have your winter while we have our summer. It's beginning to be really hot where I live.

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No, Dennis, you're definitely NOT OLD!
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Mr. BlueSky,

You offered that you are low income and that you pay a ton of FICA & federal withholding.

So I asked HOW low is your income, so I could know your definition of "low income".

You are an anonymous alias. If you don't want to share your figures, then don't. I'm guessing that you & wife earn 30 to 50 grand a year. That would make sense that you would pay about 25% of your check in taxes. FICA takes a bit over 7%. Federal & state could easily take 15% or so.

So? No one is disputing this. There is no surprise that you would pay 25% of your total paycheck(s) in taxes. Join the crowd & be glad it isn't 35%.

VW,

I figure my 99% figure was pretty accurate. There are at least 100 posters on this board. Only one to date has even understood my point, let alone acknowledged it. Therefore, she is about one percent of the total, leaving about 99% remainder. It's not complex math.

Kira,

There are two nice things about Bradblog....
1) He is trying to make paperless ballots extinct. My hat is off to him for that.
2) He does'nt allow posters to impersonate someone they don't like. I see he has deleted numerous posts lately; and I suspect they are people like you & Nunya who want to post as Buckshot with silly or obscene messages, in an attempt to discredit my factual statements.

At least on this blog, if the post says Buckshot, you know it is the same person all the time.

The more I read these left-leaning blogs, the more I understand why the country works the way it does. People believe what they already believe, and no amount of factual information will sway them. If you continue to rub their faces in factual info, they will stop at nothing to smear you, curse you, ridicule you, etc. The one thing they will NOT do is to respond in a n adult, civilised manner.

Mmixx -

I tried to visit Insider Magazine, but I have dial-up and apparently the home page is video. You said you were reading new material on Lemme there. What's the address for the written stuff? Or could you maybe summarize for the kbs-challenged?

BUGGER

Haha! Bugger!

How funny! Who would believe that I was posting as bucksnot in the links I provided from last year??? Haha! What a maroon.

Who Blew the 911 Leads?

Did anyone read this?

WaPo Omnibudsman taking up for Milbank

But on re-reading the article I linked in #113, here's a paragraph that is important to note:

"I have a different view. The July 23 memo is important because it is an official document produced at the highest level of government of the most important U.S. ally. Its authenticity has not been disputed. Whatever some people said or wrote three years ago, there has never been --- except for this memo --- any official, authoritative claim or confirmation that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Blair denied that at the news conference. But could the secret minutes of such a meeting be wrong? Maybe there's a different interpretation, or maybe "fixed" means something different in British-speak."

“Elite deviance” is a sociological term for a condition in a society in which the elite in the society come to believe that the rules no longer apply to them.

Now there's a phrase to remember!

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

PEG C
Insider has big graphics on the home page.But its worth the wait I've got dial-up here aswell ,10 minutes wait for a 1 hour read .........illegal aliens what illegal aliens.

insider magazine outs our secret valdosta Lemme death story source ..Jim Harnage

http://www.insider-magaz...e.com/Valdosta-Lemme.pdf

The following people will be presenting their research, analyses
and evidence in person at the Election Assessment Hearing this
June 29th in Houston, Texas. See
http://www.electionassessment.org for more details:

Issues Identified in Electoral Processes:

* Rev. Bill Moss, Plaintiff, Moss v. Bush
* Bob Fitrakis, Editor, Free Press
* Richard Hayes Phillips, Legal Statistician
* Richard Winger, Ballot Access Expert
* Kathy Dopp, US Count Votes
* Judy Alter, Election Investigator
* Sherole Eaton, Former Deputy Director, Hocking County, Ohio
Board of Elections
* David Griscom, Adjunct Professor, Materials Science and
Engineering
* Juan Martinez, MASSVote
* Joyce McCloy, North Carolina Coalition for Verified Voting
* Bernard Windham, Election Incident Reporting System
* Clint Curtis, Computer Programmer

Impact of Digital Voting Systems on Electoral Processes:

* Bev Harris, Black Box Voting
* Stanley Klein, Reliability and Security Consultant
* Ted Selker, Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project

Causes for Electoral Process Issues and Recommended Solutions:

* David Cobb, Green Party Presidential Candidate
* Linda Curtis, Independent Texans
* Lynn Landes, Freelance Journalist
* Jo Anne Karasek, CASE Ohio, J-30
* Veronica Castro, Coalition for Election Integrity
* Heleni Thayre, Citizens for Voting Integrity
* Sharona Merel, National Ballot Integrity Project
* David Wager, Verifiable Votes Coalition of Houston

.

Thanks Bushw@acker And Happy birthday!! So many great people with birthdays in June! mine and another famous person on this board (Kira) had birthdays on the 14th and 15th.

It is interesting that mainstream articles are starting to surface about 9/11. I read the Time Article, then there was the UPI article of Mr. McReynolds and the Sibel Edmonds article re the FBI. So Time and Sibel Edmonds on BuzzFlash came out today June 20th. (well yesterday now). Is this an investigation that is picking up momentum as well?

I certainly hope so. I think I need a few days to recover from the shock and awe of the REAL stories coming out.

The clueless buckshot troll thinks that since one poster agrees with it that 99% of the posters (including those that have not responded to it) do not. The troll gets more stupid with every post. Keep it up lame brain.

It's my Birthday so I'm allowed a few typos here and there, right? re: #103 "I was worried the smoke alarm was going [to] go off at any minute!"
...geez!

....oh yes, a belated Happy Birthday to MMIIXX and for your 100th post, I'm offering you $4,000 which is held in escrow in one of my Swiss bank accounts. All you have to do is simply prove that I'm not a dirty lying barstard!

Good luck, you'll need it!

"Greed is good"

Kira
Thanks for troll confirmation. They can sneak up on you and suck the energy temporarily.

Happy Birthday, Bushwacker

Thanks JPENTZ and COLLEEN for your kind wishes, its wonderful being part this supportive extended family......all "6 or 7" or 99% of you!
The warm wishes are particularly welcome, cos it's so frickin cold down here! BRRRRR!!!!

Yes JPENTZ, you're right, reality is slooowly starting to bite, even amongst the "alternative" MSM.

Bush's DOWNFALL?

Former United Nations weapons inspector Scott Ritter said back in February and March that President Bush had already reviewed plans for a massive bombardment of Iran, and the attack would likely begin in June of this year. Tick, tick, tick....

hey jose ... it's happening already! The US war with Iran has already begun

Can that be 4000 euro not us$

BUSHWHACKER # 123- I just read the article from the link you gave and couldn't help but think of Bushit being a member of the "Skull and Bones" group. "Skull and Bones" ideology is taken from Hitler and his Nazi's!! I can see Bush being a member of this hideous group, Mr. Kerry is as well, what's up with that??

Would you settle for New Zealand dollars?

Let's see if this works -

For our southern brothers...

nope

Nope - try the darn site again...

PEG C, one word. Exquisite!

Are these your creations?

OT little shrub

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/
On May 27, Radar Online posted court documents it had obtained showing a "George W Bush Jr" had been convicted in a Midland, Texas court of "unlawful practice of medicine," for which he was fined $2,000 and sentenced to one year's probabtion. (What precisely the practice entailed is not specified.) The charge stems from 1986, the middle of George HW Bush's second unofficial presidential term, the height of Iran/Contra, and the year during which George W Bush claims he stopped drinking. Bush is listed as 5'9" tall, 161 lbs, brown hair and blue eyes, born "12-7-45." This could describe President Bush, though according to his White House biography he was born July 6, 1946.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

The most telling thing about that above post is the lawyer of record representing that "other" unknown George Bush. Same Bush family that lawyer is a friend of. What precisley did that charge of practicing medicine without a license entail? How about prescribing a controlled substance to oneself. Those were the days when pharmaceutical cocaine was available in most drugstores.

Don't listen to the talking heads, the spineless DINOS.

Democratic leaders back Dean, don't want 'wimp'

Democratic National Committee leaders embraced feisty party boss Howard Dean on Saturday and urged him to keep fighting despite a flap over his blunt comments on Republicans.

After a meeting of the DNC's 40-member executive committee at a downtown hotel, members said Dean was doing exactly what they elected him to do --- build the party in all states and aggressively challenge Republicans.

"I hope Governor Dean will remember that he didn't get elected to be a wimp," said DNC member Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a South Carolina state representative. "We have been waiting a long time for someone to stand up for Democrats."

Sign this petition:

Just started at DKOS a few hours ago and already one of the fastest moving petitions. Howard Dean Speaks For Me

Not sure? Read this and this. Then Sign. It's the right thing to do. An old Irish proverb: May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. In this case, what do you want to be hung for, a badger or a wolverine? Howard Dean, Wolverine.

For MMIIXX: He's also taller than 5'9". Something's wrong with that record.

God forbid there's another George W. Bush in our midst. One is bad enough.

There most certainly is something wrong with those court documents, and that doesn't mean that it's not our Bush. The discrepancy in height is the least of it. And Chimpy's height has always been a matter of dispute. He's the shortest, I think, Not sure about brother Neil, but who counts him, he's the loser. 5'9" is pretty damn close, considering they were trying to mislead the curious who might go poking around the court records at some later date. 2 inches? sounds like an acceptable fudge of stats to me. Poppy headed up the CIA, remember.

Bush
At his August 2001 physical, Bush was supposedly 6 feet 0 inches tall, and weighed 189.75 pounds. (Given that degree of precision in his weight, it probably represented his weight without clothes, or perhaps with a hospital gown.) At his physical the previous year, he weighed 194.5 pounds. His body fat was 14.5% in 2001, down from 19.94% the previous year [4].
USA Today, however, says that Bush is 5 feet, 11 and 3/4 inches tall [19] and Bush's much-discussed National Guard records list him as 5 feet 11 inches tall while in his mid-20s.

Comment: There is no medical reason to measure body fat to a precision of .01%, and it is probably not even possible to do so with any known technique. Consequently, there is certainly no medical reason to report body fat to that degree of precision, unless the aim is to enhance the President's image of fitness by touting a body fat below 20%. Similarly, it is no stretch (pun intended) to imagine that his height was rounded up to the more macho-sounding six feet. All this gives a new meaning to the phrase "Spin Doctors."

Sorry, they are all losers. At any height. what was I thinking?

COMMENT #57 [link]
...Buckshot said on 6/20/2005 @ 10:53am PT...

Well I hate to lower myself to answering you, and it has nothing to do with you money. You claim most of us don't believe what you say is because we "don't like you". Well again your Wrong, we don't believe you because your simply Wrong, all you say is Wrong (see I know were capitals are too). You are one of the brainwashed followers....simply cattle to the Texans, and when their done with your vote, you'll be butchered to feed the rich like everyone else, sucker!

Now 1st what do you call 'poor Americans'?

Even without your answer he's the fact:
The claim democrats have and all you morons continue to use your rhetoric to misquote is that the poor and middle class pay a higher share of the taxes in ratio to their earnings! Got it....yes the rich may pay 'more' in total taken in, but in ratio to people's earnings the rich pay LESS!
That's the important factor (that is morally wrong, especially when those assholes use the savings to build their business outside of this country). When a family earning $100,000 pays $33,000 and the family earning $1,000,000 pays $33,000 due to BS tax cuts there is a problem, especially with the debt level bush is leaving on 'US' Americans, that he and his have no intention of paying down!

So the polls that showed that about 40 percent of Americans believe that poor Americans pay more income taxes than rich Americans is TRUE!

Only those earning less than $30,000ish don't pay taxes, but the majority of Americans that earn working poor wages of $30,000 to $200,000 depending on family situations do pay more taxes in ratio to earnings than the rich, period!

COMMENT #80 [link]
...Kira said on 6/20/2005 @ 4:16pm PT...

Damn! Kira, you rock. I came late to the party but thanks, I'm glad I scrolled thru the posts.

Buckshot, I have never posted as you. I use many different names, but I never steal names, just like I don't advocate stealing people's money, or taxing their income, no matter how much they earn. But wealth will be taxed, or the civilization will fall. No civilized society in history has ever survived a reckless experiment with no taxation. Period. How could it? Buckshot, you are a clown without a clownsuit, and the circus left town without you.

Found this at ConyersBlog: Internet Trolls.

Ada,

Your definition of "poor" is people who earn between $30,000 and $200,000???

I see why you disagree with me. I know a lot of people who earn from 60K to 120K who are doing quite well. Big houses, new cars, new boats, new snowmachines, putting their kids through college.

And you call these people poor?

My goodness, what would you call a working single mom with 3 kids earning $7 per hour?

Nunya,

I didn't say you posted as me (Bradblog wouldn't allow it) - I said you copied fraudulent posts from other blogs that were not authored by me. You know what I meant.

Buckshit...I mean Buckshot....apparently you can only absorb a few words at a time, I said "Only those earning less than $30,000ish don't pay taxes, but the majority of Americans that earn working poor wages of $30,000 to $200,000 depending on family situations" and I stand by that statement. If you earn $200,000 and have 4 kids going to college at the same time, a mortgage and doctor bills, you would see that $200,000 taxed at 33% doesn't go far.

Again, you still didn't define 'poor people'?

As for a working single mom w/3 kids earning $7 per hour...I call her poor and abused by the repubican system that feels we should all work for slave labor, while they rob corporations and the US government. So I do call that mom the working poor, she is 'desperatly poor' like many thanks to your beloved bush. Sadly it's her children that will have to go to fight your war, because republican youth won't!

Ada:

Hear Hear!!! You just summed up all of my issues with neo cons in the Culture War into one paragraph.

Good Job!!!

Ada,

You are the only person I know who would call a family who earns $200K per year POOR.

How about it, folks? Does anyone agree with Ada that $200K per year is poor?

Now you say "Only those earning less than $30,000ish don't pay taxes,..."

Okay, Ada - that's exactly my point. Actually some people under $30K per year do pay income taxes, but not many.

As far as my example of a poor single working mom with kids earning $7 an hour - yes she is definitely poor. But she doesn't pay income taxes.

Again, my point is that .... (listen carefully) there are poor people in America. There are people who pay income taxes in America....

But there are no POOR people who pay income taxes in America.

You don't prove me wrong by saying people who earn $30K to $200K are poor. No one on this lefty blog would even back you up with that silly logic.

One more day before my $4000 offer dries up - anyone? Brad?

By the way, Brad, it was humorous that you offered me $1000 if I could prove I did not vote for Bush (how would I prove it?) but you didn't offer to send me the money to put in escrow for you.

Then when I offered first $1000, then $2000, and finally $4000 to you and anyone on this blog who can demonstrate that poor Americans pay income taxes, you insist that I send you the $4K to "hold in escrow".

Excuse me, Brad......

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!

No, Brad. As any rationally thinking person can see, the reason you and your faithful followers have not presented any evidence that poor Americans pay income tax is because (just like the IRS says)...

they don't.

He has alzheimers.

Buckshot #108

"He does'nt allow posters to impersonate someone they don't like. I see he has deleted numerous posts lately; and I suspect they are people like you & Nunya who want to post as Buckshot with silly or obscene messages, in an attempt to discredit my factual statements."

I'd also suspect that you are wrong, and that Brad is deleting numerous posts by JIMMO, or his imaginary friend, spamming his nonsense. Brad is probably a bit too busy being productive to spend all day on his blog, LIKE YOU DO, policing posts.

I will pay you $10,000 if you can come up with one instance of any post of mine where any excerpt I quoted of a previous post by Buckshot was not quoted verbatim. If you can I will see you get the whole $6000. That's $10,000 minus the $4,000 you owe us for proving you wrong a bazillion times, already about people in the USA, below the poverty line set by the FED, paying a higher % of their income tax than the rich in quite a few states. Or how about this, keep the $4,000, drop dead and see if you can take it with you.

Buckshot blathered in re: Me.

2) He does'nt allow posters to impersonate someone they don't like. I see he has deleted numerous posts lately; and I suspect they are people like you & Nunya who want to post as Buckshot with silly or obscene messages, in an attempt to discredit my factual statements.

I have told you this before, Buckshot. We do NOT delete messages without an explanation. The messages stay, though the text is replaced with an explanation for why they are gone.

Stop your deceptive posting here or you *will* be banned, which is something we don't do frequently, never enjoy doing, and do not take lightly.

Your challenges have been met it seems to me, and yet you refuse to honor them. That too, will be grounds for banning.

Why it is that you guys on the right can't simply make your case honorably, without lying about things, and being deceptive is beyond me. It's pathetic frankly.

If I had more time to read up on all the comments, I might have banned you already...at least based on all the Email I've gotten from readers suggesting that you should be. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to babysit every damn thing you write.

Pathetic.

Nunya, "99%" of us have read the buckshot troll's posts and know that it can't keep its own lies straight. Try not to feed the irrelevant trolls.

I second that.

The only way to deal with trolls, is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

Our "nopes" crossed, WP

Worked this time though. Winter Solstice for the hemispherically underpriviledged (for the time being).

Nunya, it has a certain agenda and the agenda is not to communicate or edify. Its agenda is to feel superior and try to pit Bradbloggers against each other (however it's not working!)

It has insulted Brad and that has not gone without notice.

It has insulted Winter Patriot and that has not gone without notice.

It has insulted numerous Bradbloggers and that has not gone without notice.

It has reneged on its bet and that has not gone without notice.

It has insulted the indigent and the infirm and that has not gone without notice.

Since it won't leave of its own free will, we can choose to talk around it or over it. Yes, we can choose to shun it.

And in answer to your other favorite and famous stupid question #69:

"How do you create wealth?"

Answer

Or there is the perpetual motion machine and turning base metals into gold by the arcane science of alchemy. But the con game has been around and working like a charm since before recorded history.

Check out the Bilderbergs - sorry, no link at the moment, but an easy Google. Or go to What Really Happened for more info on the global power elite (this is re: Skull & Bones),

Check out the Bilderbergs - sorry, no link at the moment, but an easy Google. Or go to What Really Happened for more info on the global power elite (this is re: Skull & Bones),

Sorry about the double - something got stuck and I clicked out. It's a lo-o-o-o-ong thread (hint, hint).

I know Kira.

It is also good to make them look foolish with their own words like Clarence Darrow did with William Jennings Bryant during the Scopes Monkey trial. It is not possible to just ignore all the time. Case in point, modern day Kansas, where essentially the same debate is taking place 80 years later. Such is life.

I agree, Nunya. Countless people are reading this blog and imho, if we don't address the erroneous posts made by the trollsters, we might be allowing their misinfo/disinfo to be mistaken for truth.

By silence one is, in essence, agreeing.

Rock On, Nunya!

The link below is totally horrifying. It's about recruitment and training of terrorists and our bad foreign policy:
Generation W.... d'oh!

Brad... I really admire your patience and openness in dealing with nastiness. I mean, this Blog is your thing.... and you let anyone post just about whatever they want, without passwords and without even demanding respect.

And when people come swaggering in and trying to muck it all up just to satisfy their own perverse sense of pride or ego or whatever, I'd get really impatient with them. It's like if one of my neighbors came over to my house and put their feet up on my table, spit on my floor, and started cussing me out.

I think you are a big person to have somebody come here and insult you and disrespect you... and yet you still don't kick them out. It shows a lot of kindness and respect for democratic principles on your part.

You're a good man, both for the work you are doing AND for the way you treat your guests.

I totally agree with you, Big T! Brad has proved his integrity and diplomacy time and time again. He's a real hero.

We need to work on moderate Republicans, let them know that they don't have to go down with a sinking ship.

We need the votes to have an official hearing.

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