The other shoes drop.

http://www.washingtonpos.../10/AR2005061001705.html

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I read them all.

All these new memos do an excellent job of exonerting Bush.

Thank you Rawstory for printing them.

Here I thought you were not interested in anything that supported Bush.

Thanks for posting them!!

Boy, the Jimmo troll must be smoking something good, to derive anything out of these memos that exonerates Bush. I will say, however, that he is earning his Repuke money for perseverence.

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#4
Robert--sorry you got that spot. I was trying to get there, with my 'post' in an attempt to immunize others from touching the #2, #3 things. You don't want to catch anything. Wash quick and you will be ok.

Robert, the impotent jimmo troll has a history of displaying zero reading comprehension skills. It insists on providing us with mounting evidence of how stupid it is.

Actually it would have been more proper to have identified #2 and #3 as 'fomites'-plural of fomes.

A fomes is an object on which contagious disease may reside.

Trolls may not be contagious but it is best to be cautious.

From Watching the Watchers:

White house acknowledges everything except post-war planning charges, in effect says "So what?"

Peg C #9

They are now so blantantly flaunting their lies and scandals that even with the corporate controlled media behind them, they're going down.

Our constant letters, emails and the ever-growing and credible liberal/progressive blogosphere is making a difference. Although it's taking longer than if we had an actual "free" MSM, it's happening.

* snip from Brad's post on Sat. night's awesome show:

...A reminder that 27-year CIA Analyst, Ray McGovern, will be testifying at John Conyers' heaings on the Downing Street Minutes this Thursday, and they both request that we call C-SPAN and ask them to carry the hearings LIVE! Contact C-SPAN at (202) 737-3220 and via email at events@c-span.org.

The validity of the documents will become irrelevant to the neocons who are drunk. Drunk on power and their own rhetorical hypnotic disfunction.

Lets not forget that the fascist neocon admin now believes it is self-authenticating.

That is the only way it could wash its rhetoric leading up to the Iraq invasion. Some 237 lies have been documented by Rep. Waxman (link here).

The delusional state the neocon WH is entering now is that whatever they say is truth, and all else must be measured against what they say.

Anything that varies from their version is false, and anything complying is true.

What the american public believes has become irrelevant to the neocons.

No surprise, then, that the neocons are going DOWN in the polls.

Peg C. and Jen # 9, 10

One of their tactics is to appear like they are committed professionals doing their job. In that "getting the job done" it is hoped that all other considerations will be ignored. This is a tactic quite effective in the U.S. where "getting the job done" often trumps "why are we doing this?".

But they will soon learn, I believe, that there is a point where marketing loses its effectiveness. There is just too much dishonesty for them to juggle.

#12,

We can hope the propaganda machine will lose it's effectiveness, yes, because of course it eventually will.

However, will it be too late when it finally does?

~A!

If Kinsley had a relative in Iraq, he'd see things differently.

I am reposting a comment (with some additions) that I made on the post-show thread, read story and comments here

I am one of the people who suggested to Brad that we try to get together transcripts of the shows that could be posted on the BB and BR sites, to make them available for internet searches and citations. I think it would be a great thing to have these interviews, and the Brad Show, more widely noticed.

As you can see above, Brad can't organize this effort. I am organizationally-impaired, but I am a fast typist, and quick at editing Word documents, so I volunteer to do my bit on that account.

I thought that the interview with McGovern was particularly excellent, and this might be a great place to start this experiment. Is there anyone out there in the 6 or 7 who would be willing to organize this effort, and can post their email publically? But doesn't want to transcribe, isn't a fast typist, etc? I suggest dividing the McGovern interview up into 10 or 15 minute chunks, and have a different volunteer of the 6 or 7 transcribe each chunk, then email it to the organizer volunteer, who could then put it together as a full transcript (word document). If we settled beforehand on a few stylistic things then it would make the job of the organizer easier. In the meantime, I'll experiment with transcribing the McGovern interview from the top, ((typing it into Word) just to see how it goes.

Anyone else?

Kinsley's article has a very telling paragraph:
Of course, if "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," rather than vice versa, that is pretty good evidence of Bush's intentions, as well as a scandal in its own right. And we know now that this was true and a half. Fixing intelligence and facts to fit a desired policy is the Bush II governing style, especially concerning the war in Iraq.

He is pointing out that it is clear the Bush administration manufactures evidence to try to support its criminal activity, however he feels the memos and minutes are not proof.

Time will tell, but caution is advised.

Raw Story has a telling timeline (link here).

Only the reality challenged could muster up enough bu$hit to ignore the loud and clear message that the Iraq war was planned long, long ago.

The timeline/link mentioned above has a quote from Bu$h in early primary debates where he says he would "take out" Iraq WMD and Sadaam. That was before he was president.

Sorry if this is OT --- this just in from True Majority:

Freedom to Read Act

The Freedom to Read Act
When the "Patriot Act" was first passed just six weeks after the attacks of 9/11 it included several provisions that were, well, un-American. One of the worst allows the government to go before a secret court to get a secret subpoena to access just about any records they want from libraries and bookstores to find out who's reading what. Included in the subpoenas is a gag order for the librarians and booksellers that threatens them with jail time if they tell anyone (you, for example) about the search. And because of the secrecy and gag orders these subpoenas can never be challenged because the victims don't know about them and the librarians and booksellers can't talk about them.

Please take a moment to join with the American Booksellers Association and the American Library Association in telling your Congressmember to support the Freedom to Read Protection Act, which would roll back this destruction of one of our fundamental American rights.

George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam." And this is on record. I am not making this up.

The guy is clinically dillusional. He in his own words is talking to "god". He is suffering from Schizophrenia. So was Hitler. What is the congress doing? What are the 300 million Americans doing? The President of United States of America is insane. He will fix intelligence reports because God told him. He will instruct to tamper the voting machines because god wants him to remain as the President of United States of America and so will be a long list.

He is now directing the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain, out of the flux and flow of his own, emotional impulses and biochemical reactions --- has been planted there by God Almighty.

When you talk to God it is 'Prayer'. When God talks to you it is 'Schizophrenia'. It is a deadly mental disease. Google "Schizophrenia+God".

Wake up America! When insane people have unjustified power the results can be catastrophic!!

Thank you Brad for this story and many thanks to Larisa for the time you have put in to verify the authenticity of the 6 newly leaked documents regarding the Downing Street Mintues.

The inertia is building.

My parents just told me that some of the most staunch Republicans in their town have just admitted they don't like Bush!!!

Onward!

Kira: That's why he's at 43%, and sinking. It ain't just Democrats.

Bando
You are absolutely correct. One consolation, ha ha , is that Cheny is in charge.

#16 - "governing style"? If the intelligence was fixed around policy it would be a "scandal"? A little light on the outrage, I would say, considering American and Iraqi lives lost and the republic in shambles.

Time for Kinsley to shamble off. There are some serious people chomping at the bit.

Valley Girl #15 -

I'd be happy to help with this. I'll either type up sections of the interview or put together all the sections. If I understand what you're suggesting - each of 6 or 7 of us take a 15 min. chunk of the interview and type it up in a word document with agreed upon formatting, then all the docs are sent to someone to put them together into one doc. Yes?

Question - can you "stop" the audio as you're typing like you do with a recorder? I used to be a fast typer but my skills are rusty I'm afraid!

Maybe there's a better way to do this that someone who's more computer saavy could suggest?

Randy Rhodes will be covering the latest DSM Docs on her show today!

Bush’s Approval Rating In The Toilet. So how did he get re-elected?Diebold admits machines hackable

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Hey Vally G. & Jen

I had almost started the McGovern section to transcribe earlier. I'm crunched for time, but I'm a fast typist. If someone would divide up the programs into the 15 minute segments --- (is this only interview time minus the adverts?) --- and post them so people can take blocks not spoken for --- I'm happy to oblige.

Jen --- your player for the mp3 files should allow you to "pause" & "rewind."

Dredd and Bando Bling, terrific posts.

I'm getting the sense that The Powers That Be (TPTB) are cutting loose the puppet strings on Bush. They have milked him of his usefulness, and are abandoning him.

Wait, wait you guys, didn't you here the news?
Michael Jackson is innocent! It's on every channel. Besides, Dickhead Cheney says he's never heard of these "so called Downing Street Memos".

They are so fucked. They will play there devient game till the end. They still don't understand that there time has already passed them by.

You all know, with these documents it is literally only a matter of time before Bush, Cheney, Rummie, Condi, ect. are impeach and incarcerated for war crimes. The documents are really that powerful. They will carry on through with their own strength.

But Sojo --- as much as I want with every fiber of my being for the Axis of Evil to be impeached --- we have to ask them to impeach themselves ... don't we?

How can it be done?

I still think RICO.

Kira #30

I understand the reluctance to get excited. The only way impeachment will happen in a republican controlled congress is if the evidence becomes so overwhelming that even they can't run from the outrage of it and are forced by their love of their own skin to begin investigations. Some are already backtracking, and you can see them getting a little desperate like what Senselessbrenner did the other day. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and emailing and calling like all you guys. We just have to keep the faith, and if all else fails we can still open up a can of revolution on their asses.

I'm so lame - I don't know how to "divide" the mp3 file into sections. Is there a way to display the time on mp3 files? Does anyone know?

:hehe: #31

Rambo

Jen #32

I use iTunes to play my mp3 files. There's a sliding bar that shows the time in minutes. I can drag that bar to any position from L to R.

I don't know what other packages provide in that way. Anyone else?

Thanks Kira #34 - Arg. I don't know how to transfer the mp3 files at the archives into a different player. I just click on the link at Brad Radio archives and it opens a blank page with just the little slider bar (no minutes displayed). Sorry!

#24 #25

Jen, if you are willing to coordinate this, that would be great!!! If we can get a few more on board, you wouldn't have to do any typing, just organizing the individual text of the McGovern interview. Also see Kira #26- sounds like she is also willing to type if someone else (you?) would agree to divide things up and organize the thing.

I played the MP3 file and taped as it was being "broadcast" with a hand-held tape recorder. I figured that that would be easier to rewind a tape than to mess with the MP3 files. Also, I have a $30 Sony "clear voice walkman" that allows playback at variable speeds, so I figured that I would just slow down the playback to make it a bit easier to transcribe.

Kira #26

Yes, we are on the same wavelength! Twilight zone. Of course I meant the parts of the interview only, not the commercials. If Jen is will to oblige in receiving our transcripts, and put them together in a word document, then we will have a start. I asked for someone to coordinate who was willing to have a public email, because it seemed that it would be best to have someone put the whole thing together, before posting. I don't know exactly where the commercials etc. break, but howsa bout I start on the first 15 mins of the McGovern interview, and you start on the second 15 minutes (interview ONLY), and we can check back on this thread in a few days to see how we're doing.

I read a transcribed interview with Woodward shortly after the DT story broke, and the format was basically:

INTERVIEWER: .......

WOODWARD: .....,

so this would be:

FRIEDMAN: We have breaking news about the DSM...

MCGOVERN: And not only that...the CIA wouldn't kill anyone, but they might wreck their careers...Palme...

If you are good at Word, especially in using the "find and replace" function, it is easy to use abbrevs while typing (FRI, MCG) and then edit all of them later. Speeds things up.

Thanks U2 for responding to this "wild" idea

VG

VG - Howsabout dividing the "hour" in half ?? The McGovern interview goes 51:41 according to my timer. So 1st half to you, 2nd half to me. Is that ok?

I meant to say the McGovern interview in "Hour 3", since it continues for a little bit into the "Hour 4" file.

Oops!

#35

Jen, I was typing during your post. I figured that the best way to "record" the interview in something other than MP3 format for transcription was to make an old-fashioned analog copy, so I set up my tape recorder next to my speaker....

#30, 31, etc. If the administration's popularity continues to fall as the truth of its nature and policies sinks in, there will come a point where it will be difficult to govern and that's not a good situation for a lot of people and groups in the nation. (It is probably one reason for the wimp Democrat position.) Something will happen. (The word "bandwagon" comes to mind.)

One of our big challenges will be to avoid the "fall guy" scenario. In fact, it will be a huge challenge as there is always the tendency to want to get it over with and back to the fantasy of normality. The fall guy is the proven strategy of crooks.

It might drag on until after 2006. It's not relevant as to what we are doing. As long as we stay on target, continue to *progressively* build our case (we have so much to work with!), disseminate information widely, be creative, and form a true community we will be in a strong position when the time of "regime change" comes to initiate a renaissance of freedom and a reality-based political and civic structure. Honestly, the key is to stay on target, build community, and DON"T GIVE UP. It will bear results.

My political pep talk of the day.

OK --- I'm going to start transcribing at 28min. 28sec., Hour 3 (6-11-05) Ray McGovern Interview --- this will be 2nd half of Hour 3.

#38

Kira,

That sounds like a good plan. Since I've never done this before, I don't know how long it will take me to do the first half, but I will start there, and you start on 2nd half, we can check back on this thread and see how we're doing!!! HUG, thanks.

Anyone else out there???????

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Kira, Jen, Valley Girl -

I'm sorry...I'd love to help out but my typing isn't very speedy. Let me know if there's anything else I could do!

BTW, Valley Girl -

Please pass along the HTML you are using for the framed quotes. They make a post so much easier to sort out!

#44

Peg C, Hi and thanks. Looks like Kira and I are going to go for speed typing on the McGovern interview. BUT, if this experiment works, we could certainly use someone to coordinate the 6 or 7 of us who are willing to transcribe other interviews.

Love Maine. Go there for as long as I can manage every summer (only a few weeks, for now). Are you there?

VG

filibuster from #43

#45

Peg C--

I wasn't doing anything special that I know of, so I don't understand your question... please elaborate so that I can give you an answer!!! VG

Kira, Valley Girl, okay you can send me the world files (numbered) and I'll put them into one.

And to the guy who posted the piece suggesting liberals should leave... guess what - we DID leave to get away from narrow-minded, control freaks like you - and came here, where an enlightened group of freedom loving, spiritual men and women created a Perfect Union. This is OUR country - land of the free - every hear of that? Sorry. Your warped view is darkness and greed and it cannot survive here. It's good that you're enjoying your feeling power now because it's coming to an end...

Yes, on the coast (Northern Penobscot Bay). But after a long, cold "spring" during which it rained for three straight weeks, we're plunged into heat wave - 90 degrees in the shade today. Unprecedented, dreadful weather. I think I'll move to Baffin Island and live with the Inuit - at least until the Greenland ice sheets melt and northeastern Canada disappears beneath the waves!

Global warming, anyone?

Valley Girl -

Sorry...it was VeryWorried who used block quotes. I got the "V's" mixed up! Anyway, I found the HTML for them at dKos, but I'm not sure BradBlogs codes the same way. I suppose I can but try

Brad has a policy against putting whole articles into posts, I believe. I hope he instructs certain life-forms at this blog in what they may and may not do.

Kira and VG - you can send your files to jmdifeoatyahoodotcom.
Then what do I do with the word file once it's all together? Email it to Brad?

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Hi Peg C. I don't know how to do "block quotes". The only thing I have learned recently is how to turn long HTML addresses into short links, via the Community Assistant.

I confess that I am still learning my Maine geography, even after 10 years+. Cape Rosier, 30 mins or so from Blue Hill-- does this mean anything to you? Do you work with the deaf? Couldn't be sure when I checked out your blogspot. I have a colleague whose parents both were/are deaf. His father (~91) is still living. All, delightful upbeat people. I don't speak ASL, but I speak with the father via pantomine and acting skills.

VG

A House Bill has been sponsored to repeal the 22nd Amendment.

You know, the one that says W can only live in the White House for eight years? And guess who one of the co-sponsors is? F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.!

Hi, Valley Girl! Oh yes, you're right in my town!! No, I don't work with the deaf - can't figure out what suggested that.

Whereabouts on the Cape?

It would be fun to find that "liberal", though. It would be like finding Sasquatch. I've never met anyone remotely similar.

Peg C #55 - OMG! LOL! We really are living in a very weird SciFi novel...

Peg C:

Somehow I found this organization, which is what suggested the connection:

here

Can't find a map with the Rte numbers. But, drive from Blue Hill to Buck Harbor, continue to Cape Rosier sign, turn left, then follow this road until the right turn for Holbrook Island Sanctuary. Turn right at this road, then make the first right turn shortly thereafter onto Bancroft property. Have a good friend in Harborside. Make sense?

#53

Jen, Thanks so much for your help. I trust Kira will get your message also. I would say, email it to Brad, once the transcript looks okay. I will send my part to you, and you can check it out first, and then get back to me. VG

for Peg

for block quotes with the original colors do this:

[blockquote] quoted material [/blockquote]

for block quotes with black text on light green background do this:

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in both cases you have to replace the [ and ] with

THANK YOU, Winter P!

That differs somewhat from the "formula" at dKos so I'm in your debt.

Thanks you guys for spending the time to archive.

Colleen (Comment # 22)

No Chenney does NOT become the President. He is a part of this crime. Congress can impeach the President like Nixon was done. Ask the Vice President (Tricky Dick) to resign, appoint a new VP and then impeach the President (Dubya). The new VP takes over the President of United States.

VG & Jen

I'm working on transcribing --- man, what a job! I wish I had the old dictaphone setup with the foot pedal controls! Ah, for the old days.

Well - Just so you don't redo what I'm doing --- here's exactly where I'm starting:

Brad Ray McGovern, the 27 yr. CIA Analyst, now retired has a few things to say about this administration about this war and I understand we had a caller on the line, it was our friend Patty, who … I believe we’ve lost her – we haven’t lost her?  We got her?  They’re running around, I don’t know what’s going on, we may have a question for ya shortly, Ray McGovern. 

(P.S. I'm playing with Torqued's Bradblog Community Assistant HTML editor! It's coming along.)

These documents are incredibly detailed and damning. I've read 2 carefully and 2 somewhat skimmed. Collectively, these 6 documents have some serious info. I'd urge just some caution. IF these are true, holy shit balls batman! These are documents worthy of quadrupling anti-war efforts, but I don't want to get Rathered.

Winter P -

I do realize that I should have consulted View/Source. But that trail has seemed iffy. I'll utilize it in future!

Thanks again.

Kira et. al. -

You're fantastically wonderful patriots. Keep up the pressure.

ALL of you desperate people: there is only one way to change the present state of affairs - by keeping on keeping on! We have GOT to win. The earth is at stake and our souls.

#55, Peg C

2 bills were introduced in Jan & Feb. 2003 (gee - I'm just hearing about it) by --- dum-dum-dee-dum drum rooollll --- 8 representatives ... 6 of them Democrats. Now what's wrong with this picture????

Worrisome Move To Remove Presidential Term Limit from Constitution

This is very troubling. In recent months two proposals have been introduced to the House of Representatives to amend the Consitution of the United States and repeal the 22nd amendment. The 22nd amendment was put place to limit the number of times a president could be in office to two terms.

The first, HJRES 11 IH, was introduced on January 7, 2003 by Representative Serrano. On February 25, 2003 HJ 25 IH was introduced. These appear to be identical. The latter proposed amendment has 7 sponsors.

It is interesting to note that of the 8 representatives who sponsored the two proposal, 6 are democrats.

Mr. HOYER - Democrat
Mr. HYDE - Republican
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts - Democrat
Mr. SENSENBRENNER - Republican
Mr. BERMAN - Democrat
Mr. SABO - Democrat
Mr. PALLONE - Democrat
Mr. SERRANO - Democrat

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Should we research those 6 reps.?

re #68: Should we research those 6 reps.?

Can you think of any reason why we wouldn't want to??

Bejammin075 re: #66

The 6 memos/letters have been around since at least the 18th September 2004 (As far as I have determined so far) where they were reported on by the UK Daily Telegraph.

Michael Lewis produced a thorough analysis of these 6 docs back in October 2004.
Various UK blogs and indymedia, have been dicussing them since then.

Yes, that appeal ammendment is truly frightening. I can not believe Sensenbrenner would write that bill. If those democrats did it, they are not really democrats. They are fascist neo-imperialists who need to be brought to justice.

I am sorry, but nobody destroys our constitution and tries to appoint a lifetime president. This is out of control and must be held to the fire.

EFF: Legal Guide for Bloggers.

#70 [discussing] thats is!

#70 [discussing] that is!
Obviously way past my bedtime, the old brain has become necrotic!

All the media coverage on this is like this. "It broke in the British papers but had no attention in the U.S"

"The liberal blogs", "the left". They report it as if maybe it's news and it is acually from the left/liberals.

Simply PATHETIC!

I am happy that it is finally being reported but man oh man how lame is the media?

Hi. Kira, VG? I thought someone said to "meet" on this thread so just wanted to let you know I'm still on board and expecting your word files whenever you get done. My email addy is on the thread somewhere, but here it is again: jmdifeoatyahoodotcom

For Mark: It was big news in Britain, and had a major impact on their election. That's a fact, whatever one's view of the content of the minutes. For our mainstream media to have essentially ignored this story means that a matter involving Anglo-American relations, and discussions between the leaders of the two countries about a war that has cost tens of thousands of lives, was of historic importance in England but of no importance here.

Yes, our mainstream media are comatose. It's just as irresponsible as it would have been to censor a story about Lend-Lease in 1940, or about the conversations between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein before the first Persian Gulf War.

Hey VG and Jen:

I'm still working on my "half." I'm taking a little time off from politics. I've got 3 pages done, but there's lots more I think.

Also, I can't make out a few words. I wonder if someone would like to do the "clean up" phase?

Kira, I can do that. Or TRY! LOL! Listen to the audio as I read your transcript. I'm an "old" school proof-reader - worked at a typesetting and graphic design shop before things went desktop so it's actually right up my alley!

Ok, Jen! I'll send you what I have so far.

Jen - just sent you what I've transcribed so far and accidentally left the subject line blank. (oops) Anyway, I hope I got your email addy right. Let me know if you don't receive my msg.