READER COMMENTS ON
"Mainstream Media Continues to 'Disassemble' on Behalf of George W. Bush"
(60 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/3/2005 @ 12:43 pm PT...
Wow! Strong.
Well done.
I also like the little creature saying "It's like prefabrication. That means lying about something you did even before you do it."
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/3/2005 @ 12:45 pm PT...
If the prefabrication is disintentional, you still have to dissassemble it afterwards. Otherwise, people might misinterpolate it, which means not understand it correctly. And that would be absurd.
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MeMyself
said on 6/3/2005 @ 1:32 pm PT...
We set goals for our school children to be able to express themselves by teaching them to read on an acceptable level. If they don't meet the criteria, they repeat a grade and/or the class. Journalist train to be able to express information so that the reading public can understand the content of an article. Yet, we allow a man of the lesser of these to run our country. You should know what you are talking about when you open your mouth knowing what you say will affect millions of lives. I remember the incident when Bush said(not verbatim) these folks think of ways to harm our people and so do we. Was he thinking when he read his scripted speech? Even a middle schooler would probably have said that was not written correctly. Or did Bush attempt to adlib? When he drifts from the scripted speech, he is a total blank page. I turn off the sound when I watch one of his few press conferences, and observe the man...........He is just there taking up space, his tone lets you know when he expects applause(applause on cue), he smirks like he doesn't give a dam. And I can truly say, he doesn't.
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kira
said on 6/3/2005 @ 1:47 pm PT...
Great job, Brad & killer cartoon! The Downing Street Minutes are the "prefabrication."
I still firmly believe *sh is unable to stop the Freudian Slips. There are way too many times when what he actually says is the truth rather than the lie he meant to tell.
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Cole...
said on 6/3/2005 @ 2:35 pm PT...
gwb doesn't giva a damn because he doesn't know a damn.
Somehow he manages to brush off embarrassment of his spoken 'mishaps' and return again to persist in giving a lesson to the spellbound stenographer corp. They edit, clean him up and prop him up--good butlers all--or is that butt licks all (gan/guk) style?
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MarkH
said on 6/3/2005 @ 2:38 pm PT...
Bradblog: "Chicago Tribune's Mark Silva has seemingly gotten an earful (or an eyeful as the case with Email may be) for helping out Bush this week, by changing his use of the word "disassembling" when in actuality he meant "dissembling", in Silva's coverage of Bush's Rose-Garden Presser last Tuesday."
I think Silva's article should've said,
"Quite a few readers have complained that it was inappropriate for me to quote President Bush incorrectly. I wrote "dissembling" when Bush said "disassembling". I'm sorry I'm such a moron, traitor to journalistic ethics and tool of the Bush administration.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/3/2005 @ 2:47 pm PT...
NOT SHOCKING JUNE 3, 2005 Chicago, USA. Welcome to the slanted BUSHIT MASS MEDIA. Yes, Mr. Silva..your bUSHIT BONUS check is in the mail with you CHICAGO TRIBUNE CHECK. Many innocent civilians and 1600 US soldiers have died for the lying murderers you soundly protect. Keep up the good work.
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Turk Meister
said on 6/3/2005 @ 3:53 pm PT...
Is it too much to ask that the Commander in Chief of the most powerful military that ever existed has command of his native language?
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Mark Lloyd Baker
said on 6/3/2005 @ 4:33 pm PT...
Brad makes exactly the right point. The corporate media's habit of perpetuating Bush lies and covering for his mistakes has become so inveterate that it never even dawned on them to use Bush's goof as an opportunity to make a show of being on their toes while deflecting attention from the more troubling issue at hand. Oh well...
Surgeon General's Warning: Ingestion of corporate media poses serious risks to mental health. CM has been shown to provide no nutritional value, contains dangerous neurotoxins, and may have a seriously debilitating effect on one's ability to discern the truth. (and besides, it tastes bad!)
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Peggy
said on 6/3/2005 @ 5:15 pm PT...
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Peg C
said on 6/3/2005 @ 6:35 pm PT...
RLM #2 -
I've copied your comment and will use it as a "caption" under Toles' cartoon!
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Brian de Ford
said on 6/3/2005 @ 6:44 pm PT...
Mark wrote:
The corporate media's habit of perpetuating Bush lies and covering for his mistakes has become so inveterate...
In the spirit of coining neobushisms in this thread, might I suggest that the corporate media's covering for Bush's mistakes has become invertebrate.
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Peg C
said on 6/3/2005 @ 8:06 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/3/2005 @ 10:56 pm PT...
Great article, Peg C. I'm so ready for the majority to start bitching en masse.
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Valley Girl
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:10 am PT...
#2 RLM
Great comment! Perhaps you have a calling as a writer for White House.org
http://www.whitehouse.org/
It's very funny (if one can forget about reality for a few minutes).
Sample:
" President's Statement Regarding Raging Media Snoozefest Over the Unmasking of Geriatric Nixon Era Turncoat "Cock Gargler"
"Felt wasn't being a hero. He was passed over for promotion, got whacked on folk singer weed, and cried his heart out to those two oddball typewriter jockeys Woodpecker and Jewstein. If he's a hero, then...then...then Rosa Parks was more than just a nagging ol' bat done stopped the white hootenany down South. Wait – don't print that."
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:56 am PT...
Tbanks for the compliments, Valley Girl and Peg. I might just get in touch with whitehouse.org., because I do have comedy writing experience.
Actually, Bush made a moderate comment about Felt...something to the effect that he's not sure whether he was a hero or not. Problem is, Bush has had over 30 years to form a judgment about Deep Throat's motives...whoever he was, he could only have been a Washington insider.
Now Bush has to educate himself about Felt before arriving at a conclusion? Sounds to me as if Karl Rove hasn't yet come up with the right spin. I hope he finds something intelligible...if not, we might be treated to Bush saying, "Felt was in a prone position, which means he was prone to being catapulted by propaganda. When you're a pecuniary, meaning when the president trusts you, you can't double-cross him. That's why we once had something called the Alienated Suspicion Acts, to separate traitors from people who love freedom."
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MeMyself
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:05 am PT...
When a prominent journalist/reporter covered a story given to him by a "trusted source", he brought this information to the "listening" public. But, when it was found the "trusted source" was inaccurate, the journalist/reporter (with over 30 years experience) was "disciplined", criticized, and for all accounts publicly humiliated. Now here is the good part-When a prominent politicial figure had information given to him by a "trusted source", he brought this information to the "listening" public. But, when it was found the "trusted source" was inaccurate, the prominent political figure ( with less than 15 years experience-which is questionable) is still running the country-as a puppet of course.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Valley Girl
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:15 am PT...
#16 RLM
As you'll see, the humor at WH.org is fairly crude, as compared with your more educated "spin". Keep us posted! I need a few good laughs, these days.
I just sent an email to Mark Silva mdsilva@tribune.com
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Re: WASHINGTON --- Sometimes, President Bush approaches the English language like a new bicycle or toy wagon: Some assembly required.
I'd rather have an honest, factual report of what Bush said. I don't need you, or any other member of the media, to do the "assembly". I can do that perfectly well myself. I trust that many other Americans can do that as well. It's insulting that you think otherwise. You might brush off this "miswriting" as a small, humorous matter, but it is a bedrock issue that speaks to press credibility (or lack thereof). A deliberate misrepresentation or misquote of a source speaks poorly of your journalistic ethics.
I am beginning to see what people mean when they say that the MSM is an "enabler" of Bush and the Bush WH.
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COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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MeMyself
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:20 am PT...
P.S. The journalist/reporter's decision to give this information lost his position, and caused no harm. The prominent political figure's decision to act on this information lost public confidence, enhanced world hatred, got some 1700 patriotic soldiers killed, got some 100,000 Iraqi's killed, got some 10,000 patriotic soldiers maimed for life-list too numerous for space provided.(#'s may not be accurate, but is close and increases on a daily basis) Names of these two are well known.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Charles R Dubord JR
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
Hey there people's, check out his story. The Psyops unit of the US military was working at CNN in 2000. Read the Story linked here and freak out along with me. The rabbit hole goes deeper.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html
Charlie
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Charles R Dubord JR
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:25 am PT...
P.S.
Does anyone know how to aquire and cross check against military files any current CNN or other Major Network News agencies for military personel?
It would certainly explain away the media silence.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Charles R Dubord JR
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:49 am PT...
Check this out the quote and link, I'm diggin deeper.
Definition of Psychological Operations:
'Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. ' US Department of Defense
Here is the link....is it an american website or british. We all know the information in britian comes out first, let dig...
http://www.iwar.org.uk/psyops/
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Charles R Dubord JR
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:52 am PT...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 1:04 pm PT...
Charles R. DUBORD - our media is so complicit that it's obvious. Thanks for finding this evidence, which seems irrefutable.
It makes my skin crawl just reading this stuff.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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VeryWorried
said on 6/4/2005 @ 1:38 pm PT...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
VG #18
Your observation of Bush----" approaches the English language like a new bicycle"
is right on!
He is known to fall off both frequently.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 9:21 pm PT...
Thanks for the link to "plenty more facts" at DU, VeryWorried #25. I'll keep this one handy.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Joe Strike
said on 6/5/2005 @ 7:45 am PT...
Brad:
Read your item via a link from (God bless 'em) buzzflash.com. Sat down and wrote the below to Mark Silva:
Dear Mark,
One of those pesky ‘bloggers’ posted your comments to your readers about Bush’s ‘disassemble/dissemble’ slip, where I came across them.
Your shrugging, ‘what-me-worry’ response is unfortunately typical of mainstream coverage of Bush’s leadership. These ‘Bushisms’ are not an endearing trait – they’re damning evidence of an intellect that is simply not up to the job.
A few weeks back, Bush ended a press conference by saying ‘thank you for your answers’ (I saw the videotape) – a completely incoherent sign-off that (as far as I can tell) went unremarked in the mainstram media. (The NY Times transcript had him saying ‘thank you for your interest,’ which he did NOT say.) I had to read one of those ‘self-appointed’ bloggers to make sure I was not the only person in the world who picked up on this.
Back in 2000, when Bush failed a reporter’s pop quiz as to foreign leaders, I saw Ted Koppel assure his viewers that it didn’t matter, since ‘you or I probably wouldn’t get them right either.’ (As if ‘you or I’ were running for the presidency.) In one of the debates that year, Bush stopped dead in the middle of an answer to ask out loud, ‘what was the question again?” (I believe the question was a prescient ‘what would you do in the event of a national emergency?’) I thought Bush had lost the election at that moment – but the flub went completely unreported in subsequent debate coverage.
Compare these episodes to the microscopic (nay, atomic), designed-to-discredit examination the mainstream media subjects any slips committed by Gore, Kerry, Dean, etc.
Putting aside the red-herring, right-wing cries of ‘liberal media’, the question is why do and your mainstream media colleagues continue to carry water for an administration that (it has been repeatedly demonstrated) only has contempt for the press and doesn’t give the tiniest goddam for the truth?
The right has been conducting an ongoing, all-too-successful 30 year campaign to demonize ‘liberals’ and intimidate the ‘liberal media.’ Are you willingly or unwillingly going along with this? Or do you truly feel that everything in the USA is A-OK and on the up-and-up? Or that an ‘even-handed,’ ‘he said, she said’ approach to covering politics and governance is sufficient at this moment in time?
I can suggest a simple test to see which way the wind is blowing: How much coverage has your paper afforded the ‘Downing Street memo,’ a smoking gun piece of evidence proving Bush had already decided to go to war when he was telling the country the opposite? How prominently did your paper cover the story, if at all: page 1 above the fold, or page 18 in the last paragraph of today’s war news (never to be mentioned again)?
Rest assured the rest of the world’s media (and readers of the ‘blogosphere’) know this story inside-out, and know what is going in the Bush administration. Meanwhile, here in the US, an enormous segment of the population still believes – thanks in no small part to the mainstream media failure to aggressively report the truth – that Saddam Hussein had a direct role in the 9/11 attacks.
(Here’s another one that seems to have escaped your notice: ‘journalist’ Jeff Gannon was exposed as an embedded right wing flack serving up softball questions to Bush & Ari Fleischer at press conferences, not to mention a gay male escort running a porn website under a different name. Subsequent investigation of White House visitor logs revealed he made dozens of visits when Bush was away – and evidently stayed overnight on many of them! In our post-Monicagate world, you would think the whiff of a juicy (and gay!) possible White House sex scandal would be the stuff of front page coverage for months. I suspect it probably would – but only for a Democratic president.)
An administration that:
consciously, deliberately and repeatedly lied about ‘weapons of mass destruction;’
plunged this country into an unnecessary war and Iraq into bloody civil war at the cost of tens of thousands of lives;
that employs torture as a matter of course (how many ‘isolated incidents’ does it take to report this policy for what it is?);
substituted ‘bringing freedom and democracy’ for ‘WMD’s as a rationale for that war without blinking an eye –
deserves nothing except skeptical, microscopic examination of ITS statements and motives. The fact that you and your colleagues are failing to do this makes you equally culpable for the disastrous course this country is on.
Thank you for your time and for your interest.
Sincerely,
Joe Strike
New York City
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:40 am PT...
The MSM is not totally covering W ... the Quran desecration story is not going away, and the WH is backpeddling and seeing what crow is on the menu (link here).
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:46 am PT...
Joe Strike #28
Wonderful letter!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Susan
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:24 am PT...
I'm beginning to think that the "disassemble" blooper was deliberate--after that, who even remembered what he was actually talking about!?!
Of course, Bush was attacking Amnesty International who courageously spoke out about Guantanamo last week. But the whole thing (both AI's accusations and Bush's arrogant dismissal) got lost in the shuffle...mmmm...another display of ignorance by Bush--or another brilliant piece of strategy by Rove??
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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jimmo
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:41 am PT...
http://web.amnesty.org/l...NGMDE140051997?op...
"I cannot believe he is dead because there is no body and no grave. I cannot rest my heart or mind until I know the truth".
These were the words of a mother who wrote to Amnesty International in February 1996 about her son, Mazin. He was arrested in Baghdad in 1988 and nothing has been heard of him since. Nearly ten years on and his "disappearance" remains without an answer. The Iraqi authorities have remained silent about Mazin’s case and about the cases of hundreds of thousands of others who have "disappeared" since the early 1980s.
In April 1997 the UN Commission on Human Rights in its fifty-third session passed a resolution condemning: "... the massive and extremely grave violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq..." . A month earlier, the UN Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances submitted its report to the UN Commission on Human Rights. Among the countries where "disappearances" remain a major concern, Iraq topped the list with more than 16,000 submitted cases still unresolved.
Amnesty International has on numerous occasions over the years expressed its concern at the practice of "disappearances" by the Iraqi authorities. Cases have been documented in several reports . The organization has obtained and continues to receive the names of thousands of victims whose fate and whereabouts remain unknown. As an example, according to some estimates over 100,000 Kurdish civilians "disappeared" in 1988 alone, in a space of three to four months, in the so-called Operation Anfal when the Iraqi Government implemented a program of destruction of villages and towns all over Iraqi Kurdistan, ostensibly in order to resettle the inhabitants in areas which offered improved conditions. An estimated 4,000 villages and towns were destroyed and razed to the ground and decrees were issued giving military and security personnel the authority to execute any persons attempting to return to their homes. Some Kurdish estimates put the figure at 150,000 to 180,000 "disappeared" victims. Amnesty International has the names of about 17,000 people who "disappeared" during that time.
About five years earlier, in August 1983, Iraqi forces arrested some 8,000 men and boys, aged between 8 and 70, from the Barzani clan near Arbil. A group of 315 children and young people, aged between eight and 17 at the time of their arrest, were among those arrested. They were first taken to Baghdad and then transferred to unknown places. All have "disappeared". The operation was believed to have been carried out as retaliation for alleged Kurdish support for the Iranian armed forces during the Iran-Iraq war. On 12 September 1983, President Saddam Hussain said in a speech: "We will punish those who co-operate with Barzani’s sons, just as we punished the Barzani sons themselves and those who co-operated with them in the past. Those people were severely punished and went to Hell...".
Ever since the 1960s and 1970s entire families have been deported to Iran by the Iraqi authorities. With the outbreak of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980, the practice became widespread and thousands of families were forcibly sent to Iran. They included Arab Shi‘a Muslim families who were declared by the authorities to be "of Iranian descent", taba‘iyya, and Feily Kurds who, unlike the majority of Kurds, are Shi‘a Muslims . However, thousands of male members, including minors, of those families who were deported to Iran, were arrested and detained. Although the majority were kept in acknowledged places of detention and had access to relatives, thousands were later transferred to unknown places and "disappeared".
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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black max
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:47 am PT...
Here's a copy of the e-mail I sent Silva. We need to hammer him flat on this.
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Mr. Silva,
It's one thing to clean up the "ums" and "ers" from a interviewee's statements, it's another to consciously correct his or her grammar or word choice. For you to make the conscious effort to "polish" Bush's word choice in order to conceal a misstatement or malapropism is an act of journalistic hubris. It's not your business to "fix up" what a public official says, for whatever reason. It's your job to report it. It's our job to decide what we think about it. You've taken an element of that decision away from us by revising what was said. Worse, you've shown yourself to be another player in the media's effort to give us a prettied-up, positively spun picture of this particular politician. Someone called that group of so-called journalists the "spellbound stenographers' corps." How's it feel to be a member of that particular group? How's it feel to no longer be able to call yourself a real journalist?
Max Black
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:03 am PT...
Joe Strike #28 - Wow! Most excellent letter!! Thank you!
With your permission I would like to repost it over at CCN (Clark Community Network) where I'm a "regular." Strikingly similar group of activists there at General Clark's blog and I know the group there would love to read it! (link is to WesPAC homepage - CCN, the blog, is under "Community" link.)
It's always good for motivation to read responses like yours to Mr. Silva and maybe 6 or 7 more would be inspired to write!
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Glogrrl
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:42 am PT...
Mark H ln 6/4 referred to "Journalistic ethics" but doesn't he realize that in the post-9/11 world (Bushspeak) that is an oxymoron? They no longer exist--in Karl Rove's reality--as an anonymous Bush staffer (paraphrased) said to an inquiring reporter, "We are now so powerful, we create OUR OWN reality." And the rest of this intimidated, trembling America sits cowed in the corner, afraid and failing to mention that the Boy King has no clothes, while Orwell rolls in his grave. 1984 is late, but it has finally arrived in force. Karl Rove has found everyone's Room 101 and neutered the Fourth Estate and the Democrats. GROW SOME SPINE, AMERICA---Call these hatemongers and powermad fascists on their illegal actions and take back our country for ordinary Americans before it's too late!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/5/2005 @ 1:29 pm PT...
Joe Strike #28
Thank you for posting your excellent letter to Silva. I hope you will allow Jen to post it at Gen. Clark's site!
Yes - thank God for BuzzFlash and other sites that have been keeping up with all the hypocrites and the twisting/subverting of the news for all these years. (And of course to Bradblog!)
Here's a column written by Robert Parry that points out other pieces of the msm puzzle:
The Real Lessons of Watergate
[snip] Most importantly, the bitter experience of Watergate taught the conservatives the need to control the flow of information at the national level. [snip]
[snip]So, one lesson of Watergate is that aggressive journalists can make a difference often in ways that can’t be predicted beforehand. If no one’s there to ask questions and challenge deceptive answers, cover-ups are far more likely to succeed.
Republican Lessons
Conversely, the lesson learned by the Republicans was the need to intimidate freewheeling journalists as much as possible and to make sure editors grant them little leeway in pursuing a politically sensitive story that could harm the conservative cause.
When I interviewed Spencer Oliver in 1992, he told me,**“What [the Republicans] learned from Watergate was not ‘don’t do it,’ but ‘cover it up more effectively.’** They have learned that they have to frustrate congressional oversight and press scrutiny in a way that will avoid another major scandal.”
The conservative success at building a media infrastructure that could protect Republican leaders was one of the great political accomplishments of recent years, much as the progressives’ failure to counter it may be viewed as one of the great blunders. [snip]
The so-called "**moral majority**". Yup.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Sarah
said on 6/5/2005 @ 2:38 pm PT...
Greetings all: Speaking of the corporate media, does anyone know if they have released the exit poll data from the last so called "election" yet?? If not, then why not?? Isn't this data supposed to be given to the public?? Like I said in a previous post, "if actions speak louder than words, then this non-action, is surely screaming!!! If they have yet to release this data, it sure makes one wonder what they are hiding!!!
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Hellbender
said on 6/5/2005 @ 5:33 pm PT...
When Bush reared up his ugly head, Newsweek turned tail and fled
They chickened out! They chickened out!
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praetorian
said on 6/5/2005 @ 7:24 pm PT...
June 5, 2005
Discussing Amnesty International's recent comparison of the United States detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to a Soviet-era gulag, the Executive Director William Schulz said on Fox News Sunday that his group does not "know for sure" whether or not claims it leveled against the U.S. military are valid. He also said he has no information showing that U.S. Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, ordered torture of detainees at the facility. Schulz had previously stated that Rumsfeld is an "apparent high-level architect of torture," and that beatings and starvation had been used against the prisoners at Guantanamo.
Now, Director Schulz admits that calling the installation a "gulag" was perhaps not the best choice of words. "...they (detainees) are not in forced labor, they are not being denied food. But," he continued," there are some analogies between the gulags and our detention facilities." Schulz alleged that U.S. officials are "running an archipelago of detention facilities," some secret.
During his appearance, Schulz also argued that human rights groups such as his own should be given broader access to the facility. "We don't know for sure what all is happening at Guantanamo," he said, "and our whole point is that the United States ought to allow independent human rights organizations to investigate." The treatment of prisoners at the facility has been in hot dispute recently, with Amnesty International calling the facility a "gulag" in its annual human rights report. Bush administration officials responded with disdain to this accusation. On Friday, the U.S. government released documents indicating that both guards and detainees at the facility had abused the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book.
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:00 pm PT...
A clear line of demarcation should be drawn between claims of torture and/or Koran abuse by those still detained at Guantanamo and those who have been released.
To the extent that current detainees might be terrorists, their claims against guards can reasonably be questioned on the basis that terrorists are trained to "disassemble." But anyone who has been sent home is not a terrorist, by definition...thus Bush's rationale, even if he had used the correct verb, is nonsensical, because a terrorist regime wouldn't be training non-terrorists, either to commit terrorist acts or to lie.
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/5/2005 @ 10:09 pm PT...
yes, Robert (#40) and another clear line of demarcation should be drawn between the regular bullshit and the super-duper bullshit.
Q. Do you see how this has been spun?
A. Yes. In the usual way.
Q. Which is?
A. We would never do that, and besides, they do it too.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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sojo
said on 6/5/2005 @ 10:53 pm PT...
Folks...just
STOP. LOOK AROUND.. AND THINK...
Here's a question for you all. Why this? Why now? Shouldn't the Democratic Party be focusing on their attention on the Downing Street Doc., which offers tangible proof of the current White House committing impeachable acts of treason?
ISN'T THAT something worth focusing on, if not as a an opposition party, then as elected officials whose sworn duty it is to protect the Constitution and the American citizen?
Why the 1 - 2 knockout punch with Edwards & Biden??? Why now?
They were priming Dean up last week when a couple media outlets tried to frame Dean as a poor fundraiser (saw those exact words on a yahoo headline) - when in actuality he's doing better compared to former DNC chair Terry M. fundraising figures last year (dean did $14.5mil - terry did $8.5mil this time last year). Last year the Reps. where outfundraising the Dems 3-1. Dean got it down to 2-1. Poor fundraising? Not historically. Not at all.
Why this? Why now?
1st we have Kerry attempting to take the reigns of exposing the Downing Street Doc. from Conyers - which at 1st seems like another opportunity to highlight the issue...except Kerry has a history of taking highly charged issues and then letting them fizzle out through ineptitude, inaction, or incompitence.
Just look at how he handled the stolen ohio election details that were coming out in december (see bradblog.com) & eventually highlighted by Conyers. Just look at Barbara Boxer detailing how Bush lied to start the Iraq war in January. Both issues Kerry used his profile to gain public focus (using high charged words) - stealing the limelight after both Boxer & Conyers were doing an incredible job - and then just let it fizzle out. No follow-through. No attempt to have the issues investigated. Just stole the light and let it burn out.
So now we have Kerry attempting to steal Conyers thunder & headline the Downing Street expose...and 2-3 days later Kerry's #2 guy and Mr. Biden all a sudden decide to take a swipe at Dean.....all at the same time??
Thats not a coincidence folks. The only thing I can think of is:
(a) this is either an attempt to distract the core grassroots dems from the Downing Street investigation by attacking their posterboy - so they can proceed to fizzle it out, or
(b) this is carefully crafted warning swipe to Dean to stay out of investigating the Downing Street Doc. - so they can proceed to fizzle it out.
Either one is clearly bad for our democracy and considering that the Downing Street minutes clearly shows this admin. will lie to send Americans to die - a failure to stop them now could guarantee future unnecessary wars & a draft. Not joking here folks.
There is alot of blood at stake right now. And if the Downing Street investigation&expose gets sunk, your neighbors, friends, and family might eventually end up dead for yet another illegal. This chance might not come again. Lets not blow it.
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Alto
said on 6/6/2005 @ 8:31 am PT...
The issue really isn't whether he misuses a word occasionally. Anyone might do that, but when you are obviously fed a new word, then can't wait to spring in on your listeners, mispronounce it, and then --- incredibly --- presume to tell everyone what this shiny, new thing means, you obviously have the mind of a child. What could be more important than that if that fool happens to be President of the USA? That's what these corporate "journalists" are really trying to keep from everyone.
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:03 am PT...
Oh this is TOOOO funny!!
Word of the Day for Monday May 30, 2005
*LMAO* LOOK AT THE DATE - AND HIS SPEECH WAS ON THE 31st!!!
Are y'all thinkin what I'm thinkin?
Maybe we should ALL sign up the mailing list - so we learn new words right along with the President!!
BTW, Jon Stewart had a little fun with it too, right about the middle of the video titled "The Sunshine Boys"
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Bush: "...people who have been trained to disassemble..that means, not tell the truth"
Jon Stewart "Actually, Mr. President, DISSemble, means to not tell the truth. DISSASSemble is what we did to Iraq."
Daily Show Videos
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:13 am PT...
BTW, I forwarded the link to Mark Silva, and BEGGED him to share it with his readers.
Let's see what happens!
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:26 am PT...
And yes I know I spelled "DISSASSEMBLE" wrong.
I've got a benadryl hangover, so sue me.
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Alto
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:31 am PT...
The issue really isn't whether he misuses a word occasionally. Anyone might do that, but when you are obviously fed a new word, then can't wait to spring in on your listeners, mispronounce it, and then --- incredibly --- presume to tell everyone what this shiny, new thing means, you obviously have the mind of a child. What could be more important than that if that fool happens to be President of the USA? That's what these corporate "journalists" are really trying to keep from everyone.
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Dredd
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:45 am PT...
Charles R Dubord JR #20 Good eye.
It is well known that the intelligence community (I don't mean university professors) infiltrated the media. Novak has for a long time been fingered as an operative.
It is not as generally well known that they also infiltrated churches. Some became pastors and more. They were then in a position to steer the rhetoric (a.k.a. sermons, liturgy) to the right.
I think they have also infiltrated the university system.
It has been documented that they have infiltrated large metropolitan police organizations (link here).
There is no telling how far and deep the infection is. The Patriot Act is the tip of the growing iceberg that we all pretend /hope is not true. It is. IT IS. IT IS!.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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America's Work Stories
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:07 am PT...
If there's one publication that makes my tummy turn knots, it's the Chicago Tribune.
When I woke up on that Sunday morning before the election and found out that they endorsed CuckooBananas, I almost vomited.
America's Work Stories
http://usaworkstories.blogspot.com
usaworkstories@aol.com
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:13 am PT...
Charles R Dubord JR #21
Here is another link and a quote from a page in that link:
"The evidence will also show that the CIA has infiltrated and established illegal relationships with a number of police departments around the country. One of the purposes of this has been to protect CIA drug operations from law enforcement. I have personal knowledge of this activity in Los Angeles and New Orleans and have documented such a case in New York City."
SoJo #42 I have posted ad nauseum that the definition of an "impeachable offence" is like the definition of "a crime".
I have gone on to show that ideologically blinded folk from the north would get shrill about a lynching of a black man in the south in the 50's and 60's screaming that is a crime to prosecutors.
Hey, listen, the relevant authorities know quite well what a crime is and what an impeachable event is. But at the same time they know a hell of a lot more than that. They know whether or not a jury will convict. They know whether or not congress (the impeachment jury) will convict or not.
They also know whether or not they want to be a fool and prosecute, spending public funds, and loose once again.
I trust you will take that into consideration when asking the question "tangible proof of the current White House committing impeachable acts of treason?"
The current impeachment jury, like those intimidated, blinded, and impotent juries in the south that never convicted the lynchers, needs to be fixed first.
No free jury means no conviction. That's just the way it is now.
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Matt
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:04 pm PT...
I agree it is not a smart idea to trust Kerry. Get the Downing Street Memo into the public spotlight of the House of Represenatives, and right away right NOW not later!
http://conyersblog.us
Matt
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:11 pm PT...
OT ALERT
Robert Lockwood Mills - You're a teacher, AND your sense of humor is as warped as my own.
Be still my heart.
;-)
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Bob Bilse
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:13 pm PT...
RE: Alto (#44): perfect point.
"...And blaming the President for the country's woes is like yelling at a puppet for the way it sings.
Who's the man behind the curtain pulling the strings?..."....Woody Harrelson
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/6/2005 @ 4:58 pm PT...
Thanks, Kestrel. I hope a warped sense of humor is an asset in this world of ours.
I look at those who have had warped senses of humor, and I'm flattered to be included among them...Moliere, Rabelais, Kafka, Nast, Twain, Wilde, Shaw, Rogers, (Dorothy) Parker, Mencken, (George S.) Kaufman, Fred and Steve Allen, Bob and Ray, Benchley, Woolcott, Ernie Kovacs, Sid Caesar, the Smothers Brothers, Dick Cavett...and KestrelBrightEyes. What a group!
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ewastud
said on 6/7/2005 @ 10:37 pm PT...
I was thinking about that news conference where Bush made the statement about "disassembling." Bush's gaffe seemed just so blatant, I wonder if it was not intentional. Perhaps it was in effect an "obedience test" to see how many lapdog media outlets out there would automatically correct Bush's gaffe without conspicuously pointing it out to their audience. What with the Newsweek furor over its story about the Koran and the CBS story on Bush's TNG service, BushCo has certainly been trying to discipline the news media to make you folks behave as it wants. Mr. Silva has certainly proven what a well-behaved journalistic lapdog he can be!
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/8/2005 @ 5:16 am PT...
And every moment spent on Bush's failure to get the word "dissemble" right was a moment not spent on analyzing the absurdity of his basic argument:
That detainees who had been deported (because of an absence of evidence against them) had been trained as liars by their terrorist regimes. In other words, non-terrorists were trained by terrorist regimes to lie, as if they were terrorists with something to hide.
There's a subtle racist aspect to all of this. Bush knows he can get away with throwing Muslims into a single conspiratorial grabbag, because "those people" look alike...swarthy, mustachioed, sinister looking from an Aryan's perspective. They have
"funny names." Few of them live in red states. In a sense, Muslims have become the "niggers" of the Jim Crow era.
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George
said on 6/8/2005 @ 4:28 pm PT...
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:18 PM
froomkin@washingtonpost.com
The Memo Comes In From the Cold 6/8/05
Re: http://www.washingtonpos.../11/LI2005041100879.html
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Wednesday, June 8, 2005; 2:09 PM
Dear Mr. Froomkin,
I just read your today's column and called you to thank you for it. Given the near total absence of mainstream media coverage since "the election," I was most pleasantly surprised to see the article. I was further surprised to reach you rather than a machine. You told me that my call was the first positive telephone call you had ever received. I find that hard to believe. In any case, thank you again and keep telling it like it is to the extent that you are able to do so.
Sincerely,
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George
said on 6/8/2005 @ 5:24 pm PT...
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/8/2005 @ 7:52 pm PT...
The MSM whoredom continues. They are cleaning up everything in supreme propaganda.
Raw Story caught them (link here).
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William Reid Dalton III
said on 6/11/2005 @ 4:22 pm PT...
I'm afraid the reason behind the media's failute to report, even "covering" for, President Bush's malapropisms, may be as simple as the old adage of "dog bites man". These instances have become so common and have been so frequently commented upon, even lampooned, that another instance simply does not qualify as news.
And your readers' comments are on the mark. The real shame is that a man who does not know how to think, or does not know how to express what he is thinking, or, in expressing himself betrays subconsciously his own inept attempts at prevarication, is accepted as President of the United States.