READER COMMENTS ON
"OPEN THREAD for BRAD SHOW On the Air 6/4/05..."
(255 Responses so far...)
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Ok! I'm ready for this ... thanks Brad!
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Sue
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:07 pm PT...
Hey, can't hear anything. Is it me?
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des
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:11 pm PT...
me either. is the network up?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:12 pm PT...
Hey Sue! I can hear the show now, can you?
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ThreadJacker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:13 pm PT...
Interesting tale:
Two computer security experts with the cooperation of a Florida elections official managed a flawless cheat (that they all but finished) in under 24 hours:
http://www.democraticund...address=132×1825372
Don't let the smoking gun be a dead Iraqi baby.
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Harvey
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:13 pm PT...
Began coming in at about 6:10. Sound now perfect!
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des
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:14 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:15 pm PT...
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Larisa
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:17 pm PT...
Greetings and thanks for hosting Kira.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:20 pm PT...
Gee, I'm going to miss Winter Patriot tonight, but I have some of his important words to post:
We don't love asking for help but we must, so ...
Ask not what RAW RADIO can do for YOU; Ask what YOU can do for RAW RADIO!
If you are listening and reading and you can help to support this very worthy cause, please do so via PayPal or by sending snail mail to Brad's PO Box:
Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks to all those who have contributed already!
Now let's see whether we can fund a little MORE RADIO!!
And remember, it's only our Democracy at stake!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:21 pm PT...
Hi Larisa! Thanks for all your amazing work in this effort to restore democracy to this country of ours! You're a true American Patriot!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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SmileMaker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:22 pm PT...
You should call this the Brad 'News Bears' Show. It sounds great tonight, but what would the Brad Show be without those pesky News Bears?!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:26 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:27 pm PT...
Hello Smilemaker! Welcome to the blog.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
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Beth
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:32 pm PT...
Hi everyone!
I listen to BradShow every week, but this is my first time to post.
Anyway, re: those DRE voting machines, in medical-speak a DRE is a digital rectal exam... so that's all I think of when anyone mentions DRE.
Just had to share.
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SmileMaker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:32 pm PT...
I live in an area where they used to put up fliers with names and addresses of people that they allege harming animals. The tactic they used was disturbing to me and I have wondered if this groups is an attempt to discredit the good work of animals rights activists.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:33 pm PT...
Thanks for the link, Threadjacker #5. It's coming out - wonder how long before the house of cards starts tumbling?
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Larisa
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:34 pm PT...
Kira, thanks... I actually tried to call in to help with filler but line is busy.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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SmileMaker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:37 pm PT...
This anti-Huntington group had pretty violent looking literature. Putting names and addresses of people who they accused of torturing animals. Scary stuff to have to see on fliers that they put everywhere for a period of time. Another group that advocated not killing dear did something pretty creepy with the mayors car, as I recall.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:37 pm PT...
Hello Des, Harvey & Beth! Welcome to the Blog!
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Larisa
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:38 pm PT...
BRAD WE CANNOT HEAR BONIFAZ... ONLY YOU.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Volume is REALLY low for Bonifaz --- anything you can do about that, Brad?
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Harvey
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
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Mark Lloyd Baker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Yo, Brad, can hardly hear John!
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Alex
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:41 pm PT...
John Bonifaz's mic volume is very quite on my end of the internet stream. Just thought i'd leave a note so a technican might fix the issue. Time: 6:41 CT
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:42 pm PT...
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NewYorker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:43 pm PT...
John Bonifaz's volume is very low.
Brad's volume is perfect.
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jen
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Ditto on #22 - Can't hear Bonifaz!
Hi everyone! Good JOB Kira!!
DateofReturn site has an excellent magnet that says Bring Them Home! I ordered one a few weeks ago and told them I heard about it HERE on the BRAD SHOW!! They were happy to hear that!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Harvey
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:44 pm PT...
You should leave the guest and go solo. The air time is dead whenever he speaks!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:45 pm PT...
Turn your volume up when it's Bonifaz's time to speak --- I can hear him even though it's low.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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cleone
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:46 pm PT...
First time listener. Wonderful to have this show on air. Keep up the good work! We shall overcome!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:46 pm PT...
Hi Brad!
Hi KIRA!
John's sound level very low!!
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Beth
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
I have my volume all the way up and can make out what Bonifaz is saying... just loud enough.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
Remember --
Food for thought:
Where I live, an average dinner out for 2 costs about $35. The cost of a movie plus drink & snack costs about $35. A concert would costs between $50 and $100.
Our right and ability to hear the truth is at stake.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:48 pm PT...
Any better now guys? Sorry! BRAD News Bears here!
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:48 pm PT...
Sorry KIRA missed your post!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:48 pm PT...
Duh --- "would costs" I should proof before submitting!
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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PumpUpTheVolume
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:49 pm PT...
The caller with questions for John was also quite low.. i.e. they could hear each other well, I suppose, but we were left out.
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J.J.
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:50 pm PT...
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
G'day Bushw@cker! Glad you made it.
Ok - that fixed it Brad. Now there's NO sound again!
Brad News Bears! I love it.
We're hanging in with you ...
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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pleiku69
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
Brad,
The program is loud and clear here in Tokyo.
BUT can't hear guests on phone lines over Internet connection.
Oops, it's completely down now.
Don't worry 6 or 7 of us will hang in there with you.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:53 pm PT...
Hi Jen! Thanks :blush: Now if we can just get sound back.
Hey everybody - looks like a party to me!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:54 pm PT...
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Steve
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:56 pm PT...
Mr. Bonifaz suggests that the Republican majority might be pushed to move the impeachment process forward so that they won't be castigated by the history books for not holding the Bush Administration accountable. Unfortunately, I think the chances of that are negligible. Too many of these people are either too like-minded, too simple-minded or too cowed by this administration. It will take a MUCH bigger shift in the public consciousness and attitude before the Republican clowns (and even some Democrats) in Congress are likely to take ANY kind of action. Call me pessimistic, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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SmileMaker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:57 pm PT...
Do we need to reload, can't hear anything
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 4:59 pm PT...
I had to change from Broadband to MultiRate Stereo and NOW I have sound again.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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Beth
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:01 pm PT...
Sound is OK now on the Dialup Mono #1 Yea!
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:01 pm PT...
Guests on the phone lines are low-volume, but acceptable if ya CRANK IT UP!
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:06 pm PT...
Steve #45
This is why we need to ask our local radio stations to carry the Brad Show:
As Brad said on another thread a couple of days ago, "want more BRAD SHOW? Call your local affiliates and ask for "BRAD SHOW via RAW RADIO" from the IBCRadio Network! ibcradio.com
It wouldn't bother me at all if you guys organized to target one station at a time either...hmmm..."
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:06 pm PT...
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:11 pm PT...
Hey there !! I am here I'm here!!!
working on my news website which i hope to announce soon . .and listening to the Brad show. I wish i could hear John Boniface better.
Hooray! I just heard Brad announce 135,000 sigs on memo. Hope all those people are sending out to the people they know by the truck load.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
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Steve
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:13 pm PT...
Larisa-
I don't know the exact nature of the phone "disconnect" with Mr. Bonifaz, but it does seem like it would be a good idea for you to be able to reach Brad or someone in the studio to make yourself available and help Brad out when "s---" happens like this (unless he can't communicate with anyone by phone because of the problem). It must be somewhat daunting to have to fill airtime unexpectedly, especially for a long time, even with Brad's obvious presence of mind/go with the flow attitude.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:14 pm PT...
I can hear, loud and clear , but it keeps cuttingbv out. 135,000 signitures!!
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:15 pm PT...
Welcome Warrior for Truth, JPENTZ!
Somebody somewhere suggested a flier drop for Conyers' signatures on his letter regarding the (memo on the) Downing Street MINUTES!
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:17 pm PT...
Brad, the volume on your guest is better now --- A-OK on my end.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
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pleiku69
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:17 pm PT...
It's all working now!
Loud and clear.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
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NewYorker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:18 pm PT...
Brad, the sound is way better!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:18 pm PT...
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:19 pm PT...
Hi, all!
Better late than never...thanks, Kira!
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:21 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:25 pm PT...
Hey Peg C - maybe you just missed the turmoil! Glad you made it.
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Steve
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:27 pm PT...
P.S. Larisa-
Off topic, but did you hear the kudos that Randi Rhodes gave on her show (I think it was Thursday) for Raw Story and specifically for you as a media source and a specific journalist that were still doing real investigative journalism?
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:27 pm PT...
Thanks for the links, Torqued. Great post.
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:28 pm PT...
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:29 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:40 pm PT...
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:40 pm PT...
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:42 pm PT...
Hiya Kira!!
Going to announce this here briefly and will do a more formal announcement later.
This week I got a domain name called
www.reallynews.com
My intent is to make it a major media outlet with many many real news sources.
Cosmetically it will change a lot. I plan to have radio links (will promote Brad and Raw Radio). And video links such as those you see on Reuters site and Info Clearing house.
it will change and I plan on doing a freeway blog over I-95 when it's in a good form.
Has some links now. check out
Cheers!
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:42 pm PT...
Hiya Kira!!
Going to announce this here briefly and will do a more formal announcement later.
This week I got a domain name called
www.reallynews.com
My intent is to make it a major media outlet with many many real news sources.
Cosmetically it will change a lot. I plan to have radio links (will promote Brad and Raw Radio). And video links such as those you see on Reuters site and Info Clearing house.
it will change and I plan on doing a freeway blog over I-95 when it's in a good form.
Has some links now. check out
Cheers!
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
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kat
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:43 pm PT...
HI GUYS!
We're rocking now! And finally breathing. Isn't Brad wonderful? YES. Smooth operator. And Eddie/Jaime all locked in a very HOT sound room with very little air conditioning!
If you'd like to call, here's the number
1-562-985-2484
which is different than what's posted!
1-562-985-2484
THANKS for your support. Kira thank you!
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:44 pm PT...
Sounds great! It just takes a while out here in in dial-up Iowa.
John Byrne is hot!
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:45 pm PT...
About Take Back America Conference
The Take Back America Conference brings thousands of progressive activists, thinkers and leaders together to discuss our vision, unite our groups and train our campaign organizers.
By building relationships and creating strategy, the Take Back America Conference is a catalyst for building the infrastructure we need to ensure that the voice of the progressive majority is heard.
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:46 pm PT...
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:48 pm PT...
Ask not what RAW RADIO can do for YOU; Ask what YOU can do for RAW RADIO!
If you are listening and reading and you can help to support this very worthy cause, please do so via PayPal or by sending snail mail to Brad's PO Box:
Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks to all those who have contributed already!
Now let's see whether we can fund a little MORE RADIO!!
And remember, it's only our Democracy at stake!
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:51 pm PT...
Sorry I posted twice again.
With regard to John Boniface and statement of the Ohio case still on going (thank god) I received the following letter with news from the Free Press. I donated to their defense fund when the Ohio four were having legal action taken against them by Blackwell.
yes, the case is STILL on going.
Here is my news I share with you.
Dear Donor:
Greetings from Columbus, Ohio, better known as Election Fraud Central!
We at the Free Press received a generous donation from you earlier in the year to help us fight the motion for sanctions against the four attorneys who challenged the results of Ohio's 2004 presidential election.
We are pleased to report that the motion for sanctions was dismissed on May 19. Chief Justice Moyer rejected the motion despite Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell's efforts to punish those who would challenge his corrupt ways.
The money we raised from election reform activists across the country paid for the legal work including entering into the public record for the first time 900 pages of new evidence, such as expert witness depositions and voter testimony and sworn affidavits from all over the state.
In the meantime, the Free Press has published a 767-page volume entitled "Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? Essential Documents" which will serve as the complete record of the irregularities and fraud in Ohio including documents, the Moss. v. Bush lawsuit and the Conyers report. The book sells for $25 (plus $4 shipping) and can be purchased online at: http://www.freepress.org/store.php by paypal, or by sending a check to: CICJ Books, 1240 Bryden Rd., Columbus, Ohio 43205.
If you happen to live in southern California, Bob Fitrakis, Free Press Editor and one of the four election challenge attorneys, will be on a book tour from June 15-19 in Santa Barbara, Ventura, Topanga, San Diego and Los Angeles. See FREE PRESS ARTICLE for the complete tour schedule and details.
The Free Press is committed to continuing to investigate and expose the election irregularities and fraud in Ohio. We have subleased office space along with CASE-Ohio (Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections) from the Alliance for Democracy so we can progress with our work.
On behalf of the four attorneys, Bob Fitrakis, Cliff Arnebeck, Susan Truitt and Peter Peckarsky, we want to thank you once again for coming through when we needed support.
We will not get over it; we shall overcome.
Sincerely,
The Free Press
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:53 pm PT...
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:57 pm PT...
Jpenz #70 -
Looks great! Just one tiny thing, though: it should be "affects," not "effects," in "News that ******* your life and matters."
Good luck with it!
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 5:59 pm PT...
Torqued #75
Thank You!
It’s only our right to vote and have that vote counted at stake.
It's only our right to be able to Hear the Truth at stake.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Hey Kat! Thank YOU for all you do to get this show on-air. We're lucky to have all of you involved with the Brad Show and Raw Radio and Raw Story.
We love you guys!
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:03 pm PT...
thanks Peg Will check that and the site will continue to develop.
I am going to have a section for blogs, I do wish to show how MSM in the USA is reporting crap by putting it up against media sources from around the world such as AP, Reuters and BBC. So i want to have video and headlines from each site.
Will also include a Radio link.
BTW . .heard on Randi (yes brad you are my favorite ;-D That at the end of the month ACLU has won a suit and that the Military and Fed Gov't will be releasing very very awful video and pictures of prisoner abuse in Gitmo, Afghanistan, and Abu Ghraib that will be very very bad. Will feature links from The Memory Hole and those videos and pics once released on my site.
Go Bradster!!
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:06 pm PT...
And...we're back...
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:08 pm PT...
This is the most fun I've had in weeks! The BRAD SHOW rocks!
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:09 pm PT...
Excellent for ACLU.
Speaking of the ACLU, I saw only part of this documentary on Discovery Times (unfortunately I didn't know it was coming on because I don't watch TV anymore.) The documentary is an amazing look at the freedom we've lost and are going to lose due to the Patriot Act --- a spokesperson for the ACLU was interviewed. Catch it when it comes on again.
Someone's Watching
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:09 pm PT...
Anyone having International News Sources and other MSM that is not owned my US corporations is welcome to send the links they think would be good to mailto:admin@reallynews.com
I would love to hear from you all on this and look forward to suggestions.
I will have Al jazeera on my page as well.
That site again is reallynews.com
Any International or REAL news sites are appreciated. Raw Story is already listed. Brad Blog is linked on my blog page I have not done anything with.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:09 pm PT...
Anyone having International News Sources and other MSM that is not owned my US corporations is welcome to send the links they think would be good to mailto:admin@reallynews.com
I would love to hear from you all on this and look forward to suggestions.
I will have Al jazeera on my page as well.
That site again is reallynews.com
Any International or REAL news sites are appreciated. Raw Story is already listed. Brad Blog is linked on my blog page I have not done anything with.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:12 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:13 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:15 pm PT...
We're standing behind Sherole Eaton 100%. This is unbelievable that she's been fired over her Patriotic Act to report what appears to be malfeasance.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:24 pm PT...
Haha! Peg C always has great "smilies!"
We ARE the BLOG! There is no escape!
Thank you Brad! Your Blog & your Radio Show really ROCK!
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:25 pm PT...
Brad Show rocks!! Kick it!!! You are SUPPORTING our troops!
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:31 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:32 pm PT...
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
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Mark Lloyd Baker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:37 pm PT...
Since when does a desktop computer need a battery?
There is a tiny battery for the clock - hard to believe that's it - wouldn't stop the machine from booting.
The other possibility is an uninterruptable power supply but that would be a separate box and would only be necessary during the election to insure that votes were not lost in the event of a power failure.
Brad is right to question why moving the drive to another machine and back again could make the original machine boot suddenly - sounds like baloney.
The Barbarian's story is sounding fishy, especially the "cheat sheet" - as if the goal of the recount is to cover his company's ass.
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
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kat
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:47 pm PT...
We've got all the bugs worked out around here apparently, so thanks for hangin' in!
PHONE # TO CALL - 562-985-2484
Thanks all!
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:49 pm PT...
Go Brad Go!!!
If you are listening and reading and you can help to support this very worthy cause, please do so via PayPal
or by sending snail mail to Brad's PO Box:
Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks to all those who have contributed already!
Now let's see whether we can fund a little MORE RADIO!!
And remember, it's only our freedom at stake!
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
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Mark Lloyd Baker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:49 pm PT...
The whole idea of keeping the votes on a hard drive is "absurd".
The votes could be changed any old time after the election, as long as the person tampering knows the format of the data and how checksums or crc's work...
You wouldn't even need the original voting software to do it - just use an editor to alter the data directly. It'd be tougher if the data is in a binary format, but certainly doable. If it's complicated you could write a specialized editing program to do it.
...Or the hard drive could fail, and the votes would be gone forever.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:51 pm PT...
So, were the batteries dead in the central tabulators for all 44 Ohio counties serviced by TRIAD? Why were they servicing the tabulators then?
Someone is lying.
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:55 pm PT...
The FBI is enabling, and has enabled this crime against America to be carried out. There is not a single person in our government willing to be truthful with the people. CRIMINALS! All of them!
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:59 pm PT...
Aha! Sherole Eaton is talking about my thinking about questioning whether registered Democrats are REALLY democrats or maybe they're just masquerading, eh?
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
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hearya
said on 6/4/2005 @ 6:59 pm PT...
you keep fading in and out. problems with the connection?
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:00 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:01 pm PT...
Re: my #102 **what a badly structured sentence** I obviously can't listen, think & type at the same time! LOL!
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:01 pm PT...
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:03 pm PT...
#103 Hearya
It's coming in clear as a bell for me now. Maybe try one of the other connections offered to see if you get a better sound.
Ibcradio.com
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Brad
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:06 pm PT...
Thanks for hanging in there, guys...
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JPentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:07 pm PT...
My congressman Dutch Ruppersberger is a Dino definitely. I am about to send him naked pictures of jeff Gannon as he wrote and said a reporter should not be ousted from the press room soley for party afilliation.
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Radine!
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:07 pm PT...
Echo and X 3 to #106...! Thanks Sherole! :hehe:
KIRA: I got used to the chat-style discussion at ThomHartmann.com and am always glad when my "not so grammatical moments" scroll off the screen...damn blog sticks around for too long!!!
Thanks Brad...! A tip...don't worry about "thinking space", it sounds worse to repeat yourself...listen to the first part of the second hour to "get that"...if ya want to....
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:07 pm PT...
Thanks Kat for posting the correct phone number for call-in which is:
**562-985-2484** !!!!
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JPentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:08 pm PT...
Hey brad, can you play Jefferson Airplane for me sometime? Somebody to Love? it's a kickin song.
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:09 pm PT...
O yes, some people are dissasembling. Go to Blackbox.org
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Mark Lloyd Baker
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:10 pm PT...
Torqued - sounded like Sherole was saying the batteries were only dead on her machine. My question is still what batteries?
I'd always imagined "tabulators" meant specialized write-once hardware, but if that was the case, the votes on the hard drive, and the taking apart of the desktop machine make no sense. Conversely, if tabulators are just PC's then as I said, it's an "absurd" system - and Triad certainly knows it.
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We Got What?
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:11 pm PT...
"We got your deep throats" - Brad Friedman
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:12 pm PT...
that is blackboxvoting.org
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hearya
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:13 pm PT...
thanks Kira, that solved it.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:14 pm PT...
JPENTZ #109
I like that. But, maybe you should send active links instead of the pix. ??
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Remember to visit SeeingTheForest.com
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:15 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:19 pm PT...
Washington Post article:
Blogger Hits the Wall
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, April 5, 2005; 11:05 AM
The second blogger allowed into the White House briefing room became the first blogger to actually ask press secretary Scott McClellan a question last week.
Eric Brewer, a scientist by trade and one of a handful of contributors to a small, liberal blog called BTC News, got his chance toward the end of Friday's briefing. **MORE**
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:20 pm PT...
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JPentz
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:23 pm PT...
Dutch is an idiot who apparently does not know how to surf the net. I am sending him in color hard copies.
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kat
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:25 pm PT...
Thanks Kira!
Isn't this wild?
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MarineLiberal 1775
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:25 pm PT...
Awesome show once again. I've got a question for the guest: has he met Campbell Brown and is she as hot in person as she is on TV? Thanks
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:25 pm PT...
At Democratic Underground:
Max Boot is Barking Mad - by Weldon Berger
Max Boot is barking mad. The neoconservative polemicist, long an outspoken fan of a new American imperialism, is calling upon our country to embark upon a dramatic reenactment of the final volumes of Edward Gibbon's masterpiece The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. **more**
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:26 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:29 pm PT...
Hey Colleen, Hearya, Radine, Mark Lloyd Baker and MarineLiberal 1775! Glad you're here!
Colleen, I seem to remember you're from GA. So am I.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:31 pm PT...
JPENTZ #122 --- LOL! **Hard** copies!! LOLOL!
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:32 pm PT...
You "6 or 7" ROCK!!!
(You too Brad
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nonbeliever
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:41 pm PT...
I asked this question in another diary but can we prosecute Ken Blackwell or what? I'd like to see that prick in jail.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:43 pm PT...
Call in! 562-985-2484
Write-in! Brad@bradshow.com
Go Brad Go!!!
If you are listening and reading and you can help to support this very worthy cause, please do so via PayPal
or by sending snail mail to Brad's PO Box:
Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks to all those who have contributed already!
Now let's see whether we can fund a little MORE RADIO!!
Freedom From WH Propaganda!
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:44 pm PT...
What a great RAW Radio Saturday night on The BRAD SHOW!
If you are listening and reading and you can help to support this very worthy cause, please do so via Paypal or by sending snail mail to Brad's PO Box:
Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks to all those who have contributed already!
Now let's see whether we can fund a little MORE RADIO!!
And remember, it's only our Democracy at stake!
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:45 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:46 pm PT...
Hi Kes! Glad you made it.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:48 pm PT...
Torqued #133
Can't get too much of a good thing can you?
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jen
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:50 pm PT...
The show is sounding awesome tonight!! Thank you so much everyone! I'd like to remind everyone who's as broke as I am that even if you donate $10 every little bit helps!
OT - but here's something that may turn out to be great if like 6 or 7 of us regularly write this guy!!
The New Public Editor: Toward Greater Transparency
NYTimes
- snip -
'In the months ahead, there are three new approaches to transparency that I'm especially keen to try in this space: (1) publishing stimulating and thoughtful e-mail messages and letters from readers - with responses from the editors and reporters involved; (2) presenting question-and-answer interviews with key editors and round-table discussions with editors and reporters; and (3) occasionally offering commentary on two or three different topics, rather than one.
I also plan to make greater use of the Web. I intend to post more actual reader e-mails - with responses from Times editors and perhaps from me, if appropriate - on the Public Editor's Web Journal. My first commentary, posted there two weeks ago, questioned the Washington bureau's slowness in pursuing the significance of the so-called Downing Street memo on planning for the Iraq war. (My Web journal can be found at nytimes.com/byroncalame.)'
-cont.
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:52 pm PT...
Yeah, that's why I love you all!
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:55 pm PT...
Thanks for post #136, Jen. Every little bit does help!
Looks like the NYT is interested in moving in a good direction (I almost said the "right" direction LOL!)
I'll be checking that link --- thanks.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:56 pm PT...
BRAD! Dynamite show and dynamite blog, Bradvillians! Liberal Hugs all around!
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:58 pm PT...
Way COOL! Georgeous George Galloway! That would be Grrrreat.
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:59 pm PT...
Thank you, thank you, thank you Brad and Kira and ALL you great guys!
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Brad
said on 6/4/2005 @ 7:59 pm PT...
You guys all rock! Thanks for hanging in! Gotta get outta this studio for another show coming in!
KIRA!!!!! HUGE KISSES! Thanks! Tomorrow, when I wake up, I'll try and read a note or two here!
In the meantime...anyone gotta radio studio for us in Los Angles?
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:01 pm PT...
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nonbeliever
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:02 pm PT...
Good job Brad and crew!!! *applauds*
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MMIIXX
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:03 pm PT...
re.#130
Blackwell and Diebold
Black Box Voting Update: Latest Consumer Reports (June 1, 2005)
PERMISSION TO REPRINT GRANTED AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE A LINK. This is one of the
most important stories in two years. Please forward to your lists.
OPTICAL SCAN MACHINES HACKED IN FLORIDA:
http://www.bbvforums.org.../messages/1954/5921.html
Tallahassee, FL: "Are we having fun yet?"
This is the message that appeared in the window of a county optical scan
machine, startling Leon County Information Systems Officer Thomas James. Visibly
shaken, he immediately turned the machine off.
Diebold's opti-scan (paper ballot) voting system uses a curious memory card
design, offering penetration by a lone programmer such that standard canvassing
procedures cannot detect election manipulation.
The Diebold optical scan system was used in about 800 jurisdictions in 2004.
Among them were several hotbeds of controversy: Volusia County (FL); King County
(WA); and the New Hampshire primary election, where machine results differed
markedly from hand-counted localities.
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MMIIXX
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:06 pm PT...
Your gotta ask yourself ..............
A little man living in every ballot box
The Diebold optical scan system uses a dangerous programming methodology, with
an executable program living inside the electronic ballot box. This method is
the equivalent of having a little man living in the ballot box, holding an
eraser and a pencil. With an executable program in the memory card, no Diebold
opti-scan ballot box can be considered "empty" at the start of the election.
The Black Box Voting team proved that the Diebold optical scan program, housed
on a chip inside the voting machine, places a call to a program living in the
removable memory card during the election. The demonstration also showed that
the executable program on the memory card (ballot box) can easily be changed,
and that checks and balances, required by FEC standards to catch unauthorized
changes, were not implemented by Diebold --- yet the system was certified anyway.
The Diebold system in Leon County, Florida succumbed to multiple attacks.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:07 pm PT...
Brad, you're so welcome - my part was easy! Just hangin' out with the gang & listening to your great show.
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COLLEEN
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:07 pm PT...
God bless the radio gods.
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:11 pm PT...
Re: MMIIXX #145, 146
Thanks for that!
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jen
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:23 pm PT...
I posted this on another thread before this one started. Don't know how to link to an old thread so I'm cut & pasting...
There was a story in the Tallahassee Democrat, linked through Raw Story, "Test shows voter fraud is possible"
The following letter is from my friend from CCN (Clark Community Network), who is writing a book on election fraud. She's secured a website where she'll be posting her book when it's complete and I'll keep you guys posted on that... Here's her letter:
Dear Ms. Nash,
In response to your dismissive, ill-informed and generally absurd statement to the Tallahassee Democrat today;
"Information on a blog site is not viable or credible," said Jenny Nash, a spokeswoman for the Department of State.
I should like to reply--
Information from the Florida Secretary of State Department is not viable or credible.
* Florida's first purged voter list of 94,000--the company responsible for the data later claims that 91,000 of the names could not be verified as accurate, depriving thousands of voters with sound-alike names from their right to a vote.
* For the Presidential election in 2000, Second purged voter list of 58,000 names, 90% of them Democrats. At the same time that the NAACP is in court battling to get the non-felons-with-similar-sounding-names back their right to vote, Jeb Bush is maneuvering behind the scenes to reinstate felon Charles Colson's vote while attempting to deprive thousands of other citizens of theirs. Oddly enough, Jeb was successful while the NAACP were not....
* Congratulations Florida for being the Vote Fraud Capital of America. More incidents of "glitches", "irregularities", mysteriously doubling absentee voters, hundreds of thousands of "missing votes", and capricious electronic tabulators that hungrily devour scores of only Democratic votes. But look out, Ohio is catching up...
Repeat:
Information from the Florida Secretary of State Office is NOT viable or credible.
Katherine Harris
Glenda Hood
Yourself
What a proud legacy.
Not Viable
Not Credible
Good day
ms in la
If 6 or 7 people would like to respond to Ms. Nash, her email addy is: Jnash@dos.state.fl.us
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:27 pm PT...
Hey MMIIXX --- Evidence against the CONS --- opportunity, means & motive. Proof of ability to hack the vote combined with phony exit poll data (and all the other things done by this crooked administration that serves only to enrich their base.)
WHEN will this house of cards crash?
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:31 pm PT...
Hoo-hah! Go ms in la! Great catch and rebuttal to Ms. Nash. I'll email her!
Thanks for posting this Jen #150.
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:31 pm PT...
Re: Jen #150 --
Thanks for reposting here. I have a feeling Ms. Nash will understand the truth a little better after 6 or 7 of us get done with her.
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MMIIXX
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:32 pm PT...
waiting ,waiting ,waiting...........
are there eyes painted on ?
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jen
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:35 pm PT...
It's hard to believe, but things really are happening you guys! I won't hold my breath or anything but these little sparks of hope sure keep me going! I mean evil can't actually win in the end, right???
I had posted the article, "Gambling, GOP politics intertwine - Casino payments seen as influential"
from the Boston Globe on CCN earlier. (Link is to Common Dreams)
Later, someone replied with the article, "Selling Washington" by Elizabeth Drew in The NY Review of Books, which talks about this as being the mother-lode of scandals because of its potential to reveal widespread corruption among Republican Congressmen. It has to do with something DeLay, Santorum, and Grover Norquist are involved in called "the K Street Project." David Brooks has called this corruption the greatest threat to the Republican control of Congress.
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Torqued
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:42 pm PT...
When Sibel Edmonds speaks, the entire planet will explode in scandal. The entire fucking planet.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:56 pm PT...
Jen #155
Read the article --- man what a scorcher, too. So how many promises has that man (geeduhbya) broken by now? THE WORST PRESIDENT **EVER**!
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 8:58 pm PT...
So now, we wait until Monday to hear Kerry speak --- will it be televised somewhere? Anybody know if C-Span plans to cover it?
Torqued --- when will Sibel Edmonds be allowed to speak? What a blight on our country for her to be silenced this way.
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kira
said on 6/4/2005 @ 11:10 pm PT...
Hellooooo! I guess everybody went home.
Well, I was just wishing I had a **BradBlog/BradShow 6 or 7 Squad** T-Shirt, 16oz. coffee mug, tote bag, sun-visor hat --- gee, the list goes on & on.
Hmmmm. Something to think about for sales & advertising?
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Bob Bilse
said on 6/4/2005 @ 11:15 pm PT...
Threadjacker (#5) posted an interesting link above, regarding hacking Diebold machines. Another illustration of how plausible it actually is, if the exit polls weren't enough (I know, many people won't believe this happened, even if you hit them over the head with it like a hammer, because they simply don't want to see it).
Brad, I would like to hear Clint Curtis comment on this post, just to know his read on it.
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 11:42 pm PT...
This is a small whistle that I blew many years ago, to my detriment:
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Peg C
said on 6/4/2005 @ 11:47 pm PT...
This was the full post. Sorry for the confusion.
I was a whistle-blower once, so I know personally what the trap feels like.
I worked for a human-services agency which received both state and federal funding and I learned that our Executive Director was reselling equipment intended for the agency, for personal profit. I, and cohorts, participated in a "sting" which resulted in our "banishment" and my ultimate resignation - which was honored by Unemployment, so I was able to collect SOME compensation for the humiliation.
It's tough being a snitch if you're a single parent (I had a two-year-old daughter). It's impossible if every "gun" in the country is trained on you.
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/5/2005 @ 2:03 am PT...
Hi! I really was [slacking off] at a wedding this evening, and we just got back. [There was a Big Collision on the Scary Highway, about half a mile in front of us tonight... if we had left the hotel 20 seconds earlier you might never have heard from me again... so from now on it's all a bonus, I guess...]
I haven't heard the show yet but I've had a good look at the thread and I want to say thanks to everybody who posted here --- there are many excellent links and great comments and I cannot reply to all of them but ...
Peg: thanks very much for doing what was right. If only we had more like you ... well, they don't have to be exactly like you ... but you get my drift, no?
Torqued: [nice to see your name on the board again!] re #74, the piece in Bloomberg says
The Defense Department must black out the faces of Iraqi detainees depicted in some unreleased photos from Abu Ghraib prison chronicling abuse at the hands of U.S. soldiers, a federal judge ruled.
The decision by U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein in New York, while not specifically saying the photos will eventually be publicly released, agrees with the position of the American Civil Liberties Union, which is seeking the disclosure of the images....
is greatly at odds with a report from ABC (Australia) which says
A federal judge has ordered the US Army to release more than 100 photographs and several videos taken by an American soldier relating to detainee abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, court documents say.
...
Judge Alvin Hellerstein of the US District Court in Manhattan ordered the Defence Department to process 144 photographs by June 30.
The photographs and videos, to be edited so the faces of soldiers are not shown, were provided by Sergeant Joseph Darby, whose photos set off the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal more than a year ago.
What's happening here? What did the court actually say? What does it actually mean? And where is Dredd when we need him?
BTW, your nearly frozen slacker suspects spin in the Bloomberg piece for this reason: if the ruling didn't specify that the photos are to be released to the public, then how can it be said that this ruling "agrees with the position of the American Civil Liberties Union, which is seeking the disclosure of the images"?
Not that I have any personal stake in the matter but if the ABC report turns out to be false, there will be significant embarrasment at please don't read my blog over this item.
Kira: Great job! Excellent! ENCORE!!
[just kidding but not really --- I'll be away again next weekend, taking on the Scary Highway again to slack off at another family function, and Kira has already agreed to fill in for me, which should be excellent ... what a fine job you've done here, Kira! thanks again!!]
Brad, Kat, Eddie, Jaime: Hi again and thanks as usual. Hopefully I'll get to hear the show tomorrow. If not, there's always another chance to listen via the Brad Show archives.
To those who posted comments here tonight for the first time: Welcome! It's great to hear from you; please do make a habit of it!
That's about all for now --- I'm gonna go see whether I can sleep. Anybody know a good antidote for elevated adrenaline?
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/5/2005 @ 4:12 am PT...
Standing offer: Free signed copy of "The Lindbergh Syndrome: Heroes and Celebrities in a New Gilded Age" for any donation of $50 or more to bradblog or Velvet Revolution.
E-mail me at rmills6126@earthlink.net, if interested.
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/5/2005 @ 5:12 am PT...
They're revolting in Tampa!
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/5/2005 @ 5:35 am PT...
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/5/2005 @ 6:01 am PT...
G'day Winter! Here's the court order granted against the DoD from ACLU's website. Looks like we may have to wait for the release of the photos and video footage as it is not made clear whether the redaction applies to the soldier's or detainee's faces! (based on the previous Abu Ghraib photos, my guess is the latter!)
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jimmo
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:55 am PT...
Iraq Living Conditions Survey 2004
Population
http://www.iq.undp.org/ILCS/population.htm
The number of deaths of civilians and military personnel in Iraq in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion is another set of figures that has raised controversy. The Living Conditions Survey data indicates 24,000 deaths, with a 95 percent confidence interval from 18,000 to 29,000 deaths. According to the survey data, children aged below 18 years comprise 12% percent of the deaths due to warfare.
What!?? You mean the 100,000 dead civilians is another LIE just like the lie that abortions have gone up under Bush?
This stuff is starting to compound on the Democrats, what with Biden and all coming out against Dean, donations dropping like rocks in water, etc etc
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:35 am PT...
Let's suppose that the UNDP's estimate (24,000) is more accurate than the previously published estimate (100,000). I don't know which is a better estimate; I'm just saying "suppose" .... what would that mean?
[1] It wouldn't prove that the old estimate was "a lie". The previous estimate was based on the best information available at the time. Anyone who knowingly presented that estimate as "confirmed knowledge" would have been lying, but I am not aware of anyone doing that.
[2] Information which would have allowed a better estimate --- or better yet --- a certainty --- has been suppressed by the occupying army, which has attacked not only journalists but also hospitals. In fact, the hospitals were among the first 'targets' to be attacked, and this atrocity has been 'justified' by claims that photos and stories of the dead and injured would be a source of 'enemy propaganda'.
Clearly, then, [3] if the invading army had left the the hospitals alone there would not only be more information but also fewer deaths.
And of course, [4] The number of people killed in this war is not what makes it wrong.
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Hank
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
absolutely, and for supplementary ranting, see above
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Hank
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:44 am PT...
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kira
said on 6/5/2005 @ 12:46 pm PT...
Hey y'all. The article Threadjacker posted is also on BlackBoxVoting.org home page along with a lot of the other research going on. Here's the link to that story at BBVwhich takes you into the forum. It's an interesting read plus other comments by Bev.
It's not only plausible but most likely what actually happened. The other thing that would NEVER happen is for every single oddity to favor *sh. A million to 1.
Bev Harris has been releasing (posting on blackboxvoting.org website) her collection of items from her many FOIA requests. I've read some of the memos between employees of Diebold. They're very interesting to read.
Peg C - our society of "moral values" don't seem to understand what that really means. People who will actually blow the whistle are rare individuals. It's too bad they are punished for trying to uphold truth & honor. Some people find themselves not only publicly demeaned but broke as well. Especially when going against the corporate giants.
You probably saw this documentary:
A MODERN DAY DAVID & GOLIATH STORY:
THE WHISTLEBLOWER DETAILS THE STORY OF CHUCK HAMEL, OILMAN TURNED ENVIRONMENTAL CRUSADER
Riveting Documentary Tells the Story of One Man’s Fight Against “Big Oil”
~~ It's almost discouraging to watch, but really is riveting. And it proves that it's almost a miracle for anyone to win against these big corporations.
Kudos, Peg C for sticking to your guns.
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Steve
said on 6/5/2005 @ 1:00 pm PT...
Jimmo #169-
Thanks for your post! Boy, do we disengenous liberals ever have egg on our faces- maybe only 24,000 unnecessary Iraqi civilian deaths added to the 1600+ and counting US military deaths and thousands more horrific casualties for both civilians and military. So how many unnecessary deaths are okay, Jimmo? I guess that lying about the reasons for going into a war resulting in ANY number of deaths would be okay with you, as long as they are Bush/Neocon/Republican lies.
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Sarah
said on 6/5/2005 @ 1:00 pm PT...
Greetings all; does anyone know if the corporate media has released the exit poll data yet from last election?? Isn't this information supposed to be made available to the public?? Boy, if actions speak louder than words, then this "non action" surely screams, doesn't it!! Hmmmm, what are they trying to hide??
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Catherine a
said on 6/5/2005 @ 1:17 pm PT...
It sounds to me that those figures come from the numbers of confirmed dead. There is an NGO in Iraq that is creating, slowly, verified statistics. But they are very "behind" since there are very few of them (and the US government refused them funding which would have allowed them to increase their staffing levels) so the deaths which have been 100% verified are not representative of the total death tally.
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jimmo
said on 6/5/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
winterpatriot: I took liberty with your posting regarding the 24,000 Iraq dead vs 100,000 lies being spread by left wing loonies:
[1] It wouldn't prove that the old estimate (OF WMD) was "a lie". The previous estimate was based on the best information available at the time. Anyone who knowingly presented that estimate (OF WMD) as "confirmed knowledge" would have been lying, but I am not aware of anyone doing that.
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jimmo
said on 6/5/2005 @ 2:34 pm PT...
CATHERINE: This one is for you. How did you ever get so naive in life? Are you a clingy person?
http://web.amnesty.org/l...NGMDE140051997?op...
"I cannot believe he is dead because there is no body and no grave. I cannot rest my heart or mind until I know the truth".
These were the words of a mother who wrote to Amnesty International in February 1996 about her son, Mazin. He was arrested in Baghdad in 1988 and nothing has been heard of him since. Nearly ten years on and his "disappearance" remains without an answer. The Iraqi authorities have remained silent about Mazin’s case and about the cases of hundreds of thousands of others who have "disappeared" since the early 1980s.
In April 1997 the UN Commission on Human Rights in its fifty-third session passed a resolution condemning: "... the massive and extremely grave violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq..." . A month earlier, the UN Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances submitted its report to the UN Commission on Human Rights. Among the countries where "disappearances" remain a major concern, Iraq topped the list with more than 16,000 submitted cases still unresolved.
Amnesty International has on numerous occasions over the years expressed its concern at the practice of "disappearances" by the Iraqi authorities. Cases have been documented in several reports . The organization has obtained and continues to receive the names of thousands of victims whose fate and whereabouts remain unknown. As an example, according to some estimates over 100,000 Kurdish civilians "disappeared" in 1988 alone, in a space of three to four months, in the so-called Operation Anfal when the Iraqi Government implemented a program of destruction of villages and towns all over Iraqi Kurdistan, ostensibly in order to resettle the inhabitants in areas which offered improved conditions. An estimated 4,000 villages and towns were destroyed and razed to the ground and decrees were issued giving military and security personnel the authority to execute any persons attempting to return to their homes. Some Kurdish estimates put the figure at 150,000 to 180,000 "disappeared" victims. Amnesty International has the names of about 17,000 people who "disappeared" during that time.
About five years earlier, in August 1983, Iraqi forces arrested some 8,000 men and boys, aged between 8 and 70, from the Barzani clan near Arbil. A group of 315 children and young people, aged between eight and 17 at the time of their arrest, were among those arrested. They were first taken to Baghdad and then transferred to unknown places. All have "disappeared". The operation was believed to have been carried out as retaliation for alleged Kurdish support for the Iranian armed forces during the Iran-Iraq war. On 12 September 1983, President Saddam Hussain said in a speech: "We will punish those who co-operate with Barzani’s sons, just as we punished the Barzani sons themselves and those who co-operated with them in the past. Those people were severely punished and went to Hell...".
Ever since the 1960s and 1970s entire families have been deported to Iran by the Iraqi authorities. With the outbreak of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980, the practice became widespread and thousands of families were forcibly sent to Iran. They included Arab Shi‘a Muslim families who were declared by the authorities to be "of Iranian descent", taba‘iyya, and Feily Kurds who, unlike the majority of Kurds, are Shi‘a Muslims . However, thousands of male members, including minors, of those families who were deported to Iran, were arrested and detained. Although the majority were kept in acknowledged places of detention and had access to relatives, thousands were later transferred to unknown places and "disappeared".
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/5/2005 @ 3:33 pm PT...
It's funny how those who support the 'president' have no compunction about using old Amnesty International reports to criticize Saddam Hussein but as soon as AI talks about USA they call it "absurd". Well, not funny as in "hilarious" or anything ...
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JPentz
said on 6/5/2005 @ 3:52 pm PT...
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JPentz
said on 6/5/2005 @ 4:13 pm PT...
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Steve
said on 6/5/2005 @ 4:23 pm PT...
Jimmo seems more than happy to quote large estimates above and beyond lower numbers of confirmed Iraqi dead at the hands of Sadaam in his post #177 while holding only to the smaller number of confirmed Iraqi deaths at the hands of the current Bush war. He is also happy to ignore that the deaths he emphasizes that occurred in Iraq in the 1980's were at a time when Sadaam was supported, courted and supplied by many of the same Neocons that are the architects of the current disaster in Iraq. And, as Winter points out in his post #178, Jimmo appears to put plenty of stock in reports from groups like Amnesty International as long as they are not identifying atrocities and abuses by his beloved Bush Administration.
I'm sure you're not a "clingy" person Jimmo, unless that is clinging to discredited and disjointed beliefs and "leaders"/talking points of the far right. We on this blog can easily point to those who are the truly "naive" among us and you would certainly be at the top of that list.
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/5/2005 @ 5:02 pm PT...
The New York Times Sunday edititon carries a long message to the public from the new public editor, Byron Calame. He says all the right things, but it's clear the stolen 2004 election isn't on his agenda, because it isn't among those issues he addresses in an effort to reach out to a dissatisfied readership.
He mentions Jayson Blair. He talks about the Times' loss of reputation. He refers briefly to the Downing Street "memo" (not minutes). But he doesn't go near election fraud, or anything close to illegal conduct by the Bush administration.
I e-mailed Brad a copy of my letter in response, and asked him to use it as he sees fit.
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/5/2005 @ 7:10 pm PT...
our dear friend Jimmo showed us once again in #177 his fanatical devotion to getting things right by failing to give the complete URLl for the Amnesty International report he quoted:
http://web.amnesty.org/l...1997?open&of=ENG-315
You're welcome, Jimmo
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Torqued
said on 6/5/2005 @ 7:33 pm PT...
People like jimmo are convinced they are fighting a turf war; us versus them, or republicans vs democrats in their limited intellectual capacity. Like a schoolyard bully in a game of marbles; WINNER TAKE ALL! Who would be so silly?
The issues confronting us today are ALL criminal in nature. The people behind these criminal acts make up the political left, right, and center. These criminal acts are against ALL poeple, emanating and maintained by ALL in our corrupt, corporately-represented government. It is an attack on our civil rights and constitution that are at the root of the problems facing us all. It is these criminal acts and the criminals behind them which we ALL object to.
To be so petty like jimmo, to spew hate for those who refuse to be victimized, to attack the very moral foundations of our country, to attack the very people who would protect their sorry asses as well, is but a juvenile reaction from the incapable and intellectually unarmed.
We can not be ruled or controlled without our permission. We can not even be affected by hate unless we allow it to. We can not be anyone's next powerless victims unless we allow ourselves to be. We are not your intellectual equals jimmo. Get your head around that.
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jen
said on 6/5/2005 @ 7:48 pm PT...
Dont' know where to post this so will put it here. Someone posted it on CCN and I know you guys will appreciate seeing it. *(Not a good "bedtime" story.)
The Financial Endgame Slowly Plays Out - and then...
by Nigel Maund
"Capitalism requires people to be quiet souls in the workplace and wild pagans at the cash register" - Ron Chernow, 1949, US Journalist
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Peggy
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:01 pm PT...
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Peg C
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
Jen #185 -
Thanks (I guess) for that link. The final comment, I thank God I don't live there (U.S.)," rings in my inner ear.
Of course, most of us have been wise to this coming disaster. It's just that a new and articulate exposition renders the prospect even more appalling.
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Horkus
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:54 pm PT...
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Peg C
said on 6/5/2005 @ 8:58 pm PT...
Parents with children in public schools:
Read this immediately and begin to puzzle out what you can do about it!
Mental health screening and medicating without parental consent is about to be signed into law by the administration. Imagine every bright, inquisitive youngster being drugged into apathy because they're "easier to deal with" that way! Imagine the consequences for our future population...
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Peg C
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:01 pm PT...
Oops! Musta gotten a little carried away!!
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Horkus
said on 6/5/2005 @ 9:12 pm PT...
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praetorian
said on 6/5/2005 @ 10:00 pm PT...
I hope none of you seriously believe a Democrat will win the 2008 election.
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Torqued
said on 6/5/2005 @ 10:26 pm PT...
... we have another marbles player.
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jpentz
said on 6/5/2005 @ 10:47 pm PT...
LOL Torqued **slaps him a high-five** Good one.
Cheers to Torqued LOL (thanks Kira for that great emote ! )
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:30 pm PT...
#192
Nope! Wally O'Dell and Co will see to that again!
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Peg C
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:53 pm PT...
Will someone please outline the Karen Kwiatkowski ref for the kbs-impaired?
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Bob Bilse
said on 6/5/2005 @ 11:57 pm PT...
A good watch, that Karen Kwiatkowski interview.
I noted with interest a point she made that I've been making all along: conservatives and neocons (actually, neofascists) are two seperate entities. Neocons are only posing as conservatives to garner support from conservatives. I totally agree with her point that hey are parasitical in nature, and need the Republican Party as a front, because the true nature of this agenda could not withstand the light of day, standing on its own merits.
This is not what the party is supposed to be. I come from a traditionally Republican family, and what's going on is something else, entirely. Karen Kwiatkowski and Clint Curtis are conservatives, as are several of my relatives, who have opened their eyes to what this agenda is really about, and it's not conservative values.
This Beelzebush Regime is as much an enemy of 99% of the people who support it as it is of those who see it for what it truly is - FASCIST WARMONGERING (in the LONG run, I believe that number will reach 100%, since this agenda is destined to profoundly compromise America's place in the world, once the backwash gains momentum)!
If you're not a multimillionaire, you really have no pretense of a reason to support this administration. Their ability to get people to do so (such as the deluded trolls posting here) is a testament to their skills of political refraction, on a GRAND scale! Obviously, it's not working everywhere, or the many people attacking this would not be growing in numbers, while America's stature on the planet is being severely diminished.
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 5:23 am PT...
This is the link to Iraq Body Count, a highly-respected NGO which provides a credible count of reported Iraqi civilian deaths
They use precise methodology and emphasize they deal with *reported* civilian deaths only, acknowledging that it is highly unlikely to represent the total civilian death toll. They do *not* do projections.
IBC's figures include all reported civilian deaths that occur from the direct or indirect effects of the Iraq war and occupation.
An excerpt from their website:
"The IRAQ BODY COUNT Database
This is a human security project to establish an independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq resulting directly from military action by the USA and its allies. This database includes up to 7,350 deaths which resulted from coalition military action during the "major-combat" phase prior to May 1st 2003. In the current occupation phase the database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation. Results and totals are continually updated and made immediately available on this page and on various IBC counters which may be freely displayed on any website, where they will be automatically updated without further intervention. Casualty figures are derived solely from a comprehensive survey of online media reports. Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least three members of the Iraq Body Count project team before publication. "
So--their figures cannot possibly be "complete" as they point out themselves. But they are so well documented that no one could claim that any of the deaths in their database did *not* occur.
Also from their website:
"Adversities such as wars and civil wars threaten the survival and dignity of millions of people. The victims of these conflicts are primarily, if not almost exclusively, civilians - ordinary men and women. Civilian casualties are the most unacceptable consequence of all wars. Each civilian death is a tragedy and should never be regarded as the “cost” of achieving our countries’ war aims, because it is not we who are paying this price. One in four killed in the US war on Afghanistan were civilians, and in Yugoslavia the proportion was even higher. We believe it is a moral and humanitarian duty for each such death to be recorded, publicised, given the weight it deserves and, where possible, investigated to establish whether there are grounds for criminal proceedings."
See also here and scroll down to PR 10 for their response to the Lancet's 100,000 number. IBC explains the difference in their methodologies.
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jpentz
said on 6/6/2005 @ 5:49 am PT...
Torqued or we could just make mutton! I will look up the recipe.
Catherine, with my on going media project of www.reallynews.com, I thought to included Iraq Body Count , but have been watching that site for a while now and the number never changes, even though there have been many more reported deaths. The neocons at DoD no longer report numbers and have not for a very very long time. As it was said, and I cannot remember if it were Rumsfeld for not, "we are not in the business of counting bodies."
The truth is the hospitals were so full that they were turning people away.
At least 75 Arabic journalists were intentionally killed when their hotel was fired upon by a US tank. Which got the head of CNN canned when he said that the US was intentionally targeting journalists.
Reuters has a video page which shows a lot of graphic detail at times.
The number on Iraq body count website could not begin to be correct and is ridiculously low, given the pictures and links I have posted here.
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 6:22 am PT...
jpentz #201,
I agree that the IBC figures are not complete. They say this themselves, numerous times, on their website. At least, however, every item (dead person) in their data base has fully verified. On their FAQ they address the question of why their numbers are so slow to change.
I mentioned the IBC website only because I suspect that sometimes that their figures are used by other bodies *as if* they were a complete count. I was only trying to show where these lower-than-seems-reasonable death counts might be coming from.
I respect the work this group does, AND (as they say themselves) it is not a complete count nor do they claim that it is. (If you look at their verification procedures it makes it clear why it is slow and incomplete. Deaths must be confirmed by 2 media reports and other checking is done as well. Plus there is a certain minimal amount of data that is needed in order to be included in the data base.)
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 6:29 am PT...
OT
jpentz,
I loved your website. I visited it right after you first posted about it. Great resource!
I tried to post a comment there to say this, but in order to do so I would have to register as a blogger with my own blog. (It wouldn't allow me to register just to post a comment.) This is probably something that will get sorted out in the future, or maybe I did something wrong. I just wanted to publicly say GREAT JOB!!!
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jpentz
said on 6/6/2005 @ 6:54 am PT...
Thanks Catherine! I've got a whole bunch of ideas running around in my head. I am trying to think of a good layout for it. Right now it just shows basic intent.
however, what I am looking to do is find news video links and also streaming news radio as well. From everywhere, all over the world.
I was thinking in the middle to post the current headlines from MSM and then have also international non corporate owned media headlines, but not sure I have that kind of time to devote daily, plus Fox's "Rainbow party" video was just vile and a good way for them to scare parents and distract them. I feel sorry for the children of FoX watchers. I know one parent that blames Bill Clinton for young children under 12 having oral sex and says he made it ok for them to do so.
I'm really glad you got to go to my site. I hope to find some really good video and radio links where those people (unlike us who actually seek out information and read), can just watch what is going on.
I loved the Karen Kwiatkowski video Horakus posted. Also "Orwell Rolls Over in his Grave" from Information clearing house" is another excellent documentary about the decline and control over US media.
Thanks for visiting my site. If anyone has any suggestions of REAL news sources please mail them to admin@reallynews.com
I have BBC Radio and CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corp) radio, and then there is Air America. Even Air America has bought propaganda news, for it's news casts at the top fo the hour). The drum beat for Iran begins.
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JPentz
said on 6/6/2005 @ 7:30 am PT...
I think you can just sign up for the blog as a user not a blog owner.
User Sign UP
I was going to do the blog after i got some traffic up.
heheh I promise I will post back to anyone who posts on my silly blog experiment.
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Dredd
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:09 am PT...
Torqued #199
There is an article discussing the election hit the GOP is expected to take in '06 because of the unpopular (and growing more unpopular) neocon parasites in the republican party (link here).
Our "favorite" parasites DeLay and Feeney are two who have been given the most rope ... and are expected to have already hanged themselves.
Still, I think it is the duty of the republican party to hang them as high as possible.
We could help too.
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 9:36 am PT...
Dredd #206,
It doesn't matter how unpopular they are if the voting machines are rigged.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:06 am PT...
LIMIT the sexual ad content on yer blog and then you will not have atit.
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Dave K
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:23 am PT...
Bob Bilse - Thanks for your honesty, insight and comments on Karen Kwiatkowski's interview. I say this in particular because it is really important that people who are conservative and still have their eyes open to what BushCo is up to speak up. Far too often blogs and such are populated by true-blue lefties who just preach to the choir. And we hang around with others who feel the same. In truth we are all some mixture of viewpoints and I hope you can get yours out to other conservatives. Did I get that right Bob, you do remain a conservative, right?
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Dredd
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:52 am PT...
Catherine A #207
So, one way we can help is to continue to press for removal of any voting machines without a legit paper trail.
The group VR and Black Box Voting have been pressing that and have some success.
This must be done at the state and local level, since the elections we speak of are not presidential.
However, it would be nice to have a federal law that made voting machines without legit paper trails illegal.
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Hannah
said on 6/6/2005 @ 11:14 am PT...
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/6/2005 @ 11:40 am PT...
For Hannah: Is this "great news" because the Democrats won the argument, and it seems like tit for tat vs. the stolen presidential election? Do we assume it affirms a pretext that only Republicans steal elections?
As far as I'm concerned, it's bad news if the judge's ruling sets a precedent, i.e., that once the last recount is completed, any thievery is moot. If you think about it, Hannah, Republicans can now say, "Well, we don't like the ruling...but at least we know the presidential election can't be challenged any further."
Personally, I hope the Republicans appeal the Washington verdict to the U.S. Supreme Court. The more we hear about election fraud, period, the greater the chance Bush will be revealed as having been twice elected illegitimately.
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JPentz
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:02 pm PT...
They are.
The judge agreed that the state's election system is flawed, but he said he was not the proper person to remedy those flaws.
"This court is not in the position to fix the deficiencies in the election process," Bridges said. "However, the voters are in a position to demand of their legislative and executive bodies that remedial measures be taken immediately."
Republicans were seeking a new election in November. They have said they plan to appeal Bridges' decision to the state Supreme Court."
Also the Ohio Federal court case is still on. Stay tuned to the Free Press.
Problem is, the Republicans are not looking at the voting machines, as far as i could tell from the article.
Also, I do have some friends who claim to be republicans, that DO not like bu$h and DO think the presidential election was stolen. In Texas and Washingtong State no less. We only hear from the big guns and the sheep. For me, it's nice to know that as a people some of us are united. I think Brad was on someone's radio show who was a nice right ole traditional republican who also knew this.
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Peg C
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:10 pm PT...
Flash of Insight!
Perhaps our trollikins think that they will be preferred in the upcoming socioeconomic holocaust. I think they'd better think again. This "administration" wants to roll over the centuries and reinstitute lord/peasant dichotomies.
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Sarah
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:12 pm PT...
Greetings folks, does anyone know if the Corporate media, cnn etc, has released the exit poll data from last "election" yet? This data does belong to the American public, doesn't it??
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:15 pm PT...
re #214 Hi Sarah.
To the best of my knowledge they have not done so.
And no, apparently not. Possession is nine tenths of the scam.
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Peggy
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:15 pm PT...
Horkus #191 - Thanks for Karen Kwiatkowski - very POWERFUL. Impeachment will be child's play compared to the upcoming trial and imprisonment of the neocons. Let the Republicans play around with impeachment while those interested in justice pursue arrest and incarceration of the evil-doers.
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Torqued
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:21 pm PT...
neocons = Parasites
The host is rejecting them. Put a fork in 'em. they're done.
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Bob Bilse
said on 6/6/2005 @ 12:54 pm PT...
DaveK (#209): I'm more of a moderate than much of my conservative family, though now it would appear to be more left-wing, at least to neofascists, and conservatives who've been duped by them. I've had a fair amount of Republican votes in my personal voting history.
I think I would liken myself to Clint Curtis, who reportedly was a conservative republican, until he had a look into the ugly pit of the neofascist agenda, and has become a Democrat, though still relatively conservative.
The middle isn't in the middle anymore. The right went further right, pushing the middle to the left. Those who most needed controlling are now doing the controlling. A nightmare realized!
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vdres
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:02 pm PT...
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davek
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:08 pm PT...
Bob #217 - Well put and hey, ya know its a big tent. I too have some more middle/conservative views on some things, at least compared to my friends. Its important we all agree on the big things like exposing the neocons for what they really are.
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:22 pm PT...
Dredd #210,
It's not enough to have a mandatory paper trail. There must also be laws that require that those paper ballots be counted manually at every election.
Too many states have strange (!) laws that make it virtually impossible to get your hands on the paper ballot, even for a recount. (Recounts too often just mean putting the ballots through the optical scanner again, or printing out a poll tape from the machine and comparing to the count computer.) Not to mention Ohio's so-called "recount" whose flaws are undoubtedly well-known to all Brad Bloggers. And also not to mention New Hampshire's so-called "recount" which also had sufficiently poor procedure to make it completely worthless as a recount.
Laws must specify that the paper ballots are the legal record of the voter's intention, and must require that the paper ballots be kept for a good long time. (Someone elsewhere suggested 20 years.) Probably the same should go for all election records.
Diebold's optical scanner is not only hackable, but appears to have been programmed very deliberately *in order to be hackable.* That very optical scanner has been in use for over 10 years. It happens to have been used by a number of successful high-profile Democrats. If the memory cards could be examined then we'd know for sure if there was fraud in those places that used them.
There's a recent interview with B. Harris just out here that sheds more light on the extent of the Diebold optical scanner's vulnerability. It apparently uses very awkward code--at first glance looking just sloppy or incompetent, but because of the layers of code and later updates it became clear that this code was put there--and kept there--very deliberately. (I guess to those in the know this was a "feature"--not a "vulnerability.")
It would be great if some of the most vocal advocates for election reform who have used this Diebold equipment in the past would make memory cards available from their most recent election. if they had been stored securely this would show definitively whether any fraud was or wasn't involved.
Somehow I don't think any of them are quite brave enough for this.
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Sarah
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:27 pm PT...
Thanx for replying Winter Patriot -#215, How can they get away with that?? I am sure people must be trying to get this data, are their any people in powerful positions trying to get it?? This may be a stupid question, but how are the fine folks at blackbox,etc, doing all their exceptional work trying to get at the truth, without this data?? Also, off the topic here, but have you heard about bushit & co. not allowing the C.I.A. into their National Security Council meetings anymore, interesting when deep throat has just outed himself, methinks they are afraid of another "deep throat".
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Dredd
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:39 pm PT...
It is getting more and more dangerous each day.
Here is a link to an article "Not Just A Last Resort?" that shows the neocons are not stabilizing.
They have reloaded the nukes and are ready to use them "in half a day or less" notice. So where is congress in all this? They are the only branch of government given the power to declare war under the constitution.
Nevertheless we are "a half a day or less" or one neocon knee jerk away from the first nuclear strike, which is an invasion and act of war, since the mid 1940's. After six decades this gives new meaning to the word "progress".
"Preemption" is another neocon way of saying "when the need arises we will attack", the neocons will nuke and kill who knows how many people. They will use the same lies to do so that they have used as the reason to invade Iraq.
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 1:51 pm PT...
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vdres
said on 6/6/2005 @ 2:07 pm PT...
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kira
said on 6/6/2005 @ 2:18 pm PT...
Oh my. I was going to respond to Winter Patriot #164 yesterday and then my Internets connection went down & I lost my comments. I hate when it does that.
So I'm back online and - OMG! So many excellent comments here and, over at John Conyers' site a huge crowd gathering & sharing. I cannot keep up! It's great!
Winter Patriot --- I'm so glad you took that last 20 seconds on the "Goodbye Mile!" I'm sure it was unsettling, to say the least when you realized how close you came to the collision. I'm living on a couple of those "bonuses" myself.
Sure missed you on the Open Thread Sat. night! As usual, Brad did an excellent job and had excellent interviews with excellent guests. I hope he will find a home-base studio soon, then he can settle in and finally just "set it & forget it!" (Sheesh - Ron Popeil does come up with some easy mantras!!)
So --- thanks all for the great links and conversation on this page. I'm trying to catch up.
**Has anyone heard about the Kerry speech? Was it aired anywhere?**
I notice many articles using the conservative site's spin (that erroneously quoted Kerry calling for Impeachment) today --- even from UK. Is this some sort of ploy by the neo-cons?
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Sarah
said on 6/6/2005 @ 2:32 pm PT...
Hi Kira, I read on Conyer's blog that Kerry will be speaking on Tuesday, congress not in today. I just read on Buzzflash that CIA is barred now from Security Council meetings, all this secrecy is frightening, they are worried about another "deep throat" I'll bet!
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kira
said on 6/6/2005 @ 2:48 pm PT...
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VeryWorried
said on 6/6/2005 @ 2:59 pm PT...
IRAQ ON THE RECORD
The Iraq on the Record database contains 237 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq that were made by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Rumsfeld, Secretary Powell, and National Security Advisor Rice. These statements were made in 125 separate appearances, consisting of 40 speeches, 26 press conferences and briefings, 53 interviews, 4 written statements, and 2 congressional testimonies.
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kira
said on 6/6/2005 @ 3:10 pm PT...
Great find, VeryWorried! Thanks.
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VeryWorried
said on 6/6/2005 @ 3:14 pm PT...
9000 Dead GIs In Iraq? By: Brian Harring on: 04.06.2005
The Bush Butcher’s Bill: Officially, 84 US Military Deaths in Iraq from 2 through 28 May, 2005 – Official Total of 1,747 US Dead to date (and rising)
U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.
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VeryWorried
said on 6/6/2005 @ 3:28 pm PT...
Gunning for cover by George Ochenski
While President Bush blunders about the world invading countries, bombing civilians and forcing “regime change” in sovereign nations, our democracy here at home is dying. It is dying not because it is under attack from foreign forces, it is dying because the Bush government has changed America forever through its policies of secrecy, deception and lies. No democracy can survive when its own citizens no longer trust what their government tells them—tragically, that time has come for our nation.
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 6/6/2005 @ 4:03 pm PT...
Hillary demonstrates that she is part of the problem with this "don't mention the war" speech!
Like the curate's egg, it's good in parts!
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barryg
said on 6/6/2005 @ 4:20 pm PT...
5/6/05 7:00 pm est msnbc just had a puff piece about how the army cleans and sends the personal belongings of people kia. The spokesperson said they have already processed over THIRTYFIVEHUNDRED deceased soldiers belongings to their loved ones. This was while standing in a huge warehouse full of personal belongings to be processed. sort of blows the 1600 count out of the water doesn't it.
I am waiting to see what kind of spin they try to put on this one. I have a feeling an editor and a spokesperson are in deep doodoo.
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barryg
said on 6/6/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
local news Volusia county FL by a 4/3 vote went against purchasing 200 touch screen voting machines citing no paper trail and unreliability.
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Valley Girl
said on 6/6/2005 @ 4:30 pm PT...
Hi all: a few things, mostly minor.
1) Thanks for all of the great links and stories. That's one reason I keep coming back to BradBlog.
2) To those of you who are worried Republicans, posting here: Broadly, I'm one of those "knee-jerk liberals", though not quite a "yellow dog Democrat". However, as I voted for Kerry, and he turned out to be pretty much of a "yellow dog", maybe I can claim the latter also. Not to say I'm happy Bush "won" (well, he didn't).
AND, another reason I keep coming back to BradBlog is because of Brad's basic mission for fair and transparent elections. There are Republican crooks and there are Democat crooks, and while the Republicans have a better-oiled machine for election chicanery right now, some Democrats have had their hands in the voting box, certainly in the past. That's why it's so important for everyone, no matter what party or stripe, to keep pressing for election reform as a bedrock issue. So, welcome.
3) Please, some one out in the greater LA area satisfy my curiosity. I guess it's a matter of "trivia" to me, though not to you drivers out there. Where is this "death mile" and what highway are you talking about as the "highway of death" or whatever? "Valley Girl" has been living elsewhere for quite some time.
Thanks all.
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Valley Girl
said on 6/6/2005 @ 5:03 pm PT...
OT "chat", maybe.
Just another sign that Roe v. Wade is in danger. Maybe y'all don't see the connection, but I do.
From the article "linked" below
"In an important decision announced Monday dealing with the balance of governmental powers, the US Supreme Court ruled that the federal government has the authority under the US Constitution to override a state law permitting the medical use of marijuana."
"In addition, it marks a retreat by the high court from its so-called federalism revival. "There was a counterrevolution in progress, how far will they go. The answer appears to be not very far," says Douglas Laycock, a constitutional law professor at the University of Texas Law School."
http://www.csmonitor.com...05/0607/p01s02-usju.html
Interesting, though, who the SC dissenters were, and one comment in particular. From another "link":
"O'Connor was joined in her dissent by two other states' rights advocates: Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justice Clarence Thomas. While conservatives may not necessarily support medical marijuana, they have pushed to broaden states' rights in recent years."......."Thomas said the ruling was so broad "the federal government may now regulate quilting bees, clothes drives and potluck suppers throughout the 50 states.""
http://www.sfgate.com/cg.../national/w134659D69.DTL
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Valley Girl
said on 6/6/2005 @ 5:30 pm PT...
Here's a catch-up on Conyers and the Conyers blog, for those of you who haven't seen it.
Huffington Post by Conyers:
http://www.huffingtonpos...ns-rea-and-wmd_2145.html
A good link that Conyers gives as a reference:
http://constantpated.blo...stions-highlighting.html
I don't normally "do trolls", but I couldn't resist adding this comment from "Susan" on the Conyers blog (slightly edited):
"Well, H--- has too numerous aliases to count. H--- has repeatedly spammed this blog and other forums, including Huffington Post. In reality, he could be considered a stalker."
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Valley Girl
said on 6/6/2005 @ 7:57 pm PT...
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Catherine a
said on 6/6/2005 @ 10:50 pm PT...
Vdres #224, thanks for sorting out my link.
VG re: #238,
No you're not talking to yourself, there are 6 or 7 of us listening! (a few are here, anyways!)
VG re: #235,
I appreciate your post to "worried Republicans." The optical scanning hacks recently publicized by BBV are in a machine that is preferred by Democrats. Questions have been raised about the integrity of votes within parties, as well as the high-profile Presidential election. (E.g., the Democratic primary, in which Kerry & Dean were neck-and-neck, but then Kerry suddenly and unexpectedly won by a large margin at the very end. This also smells bad. The question is, who had a greater vested interest in seeing Kerry win the Dem's primary--the Democrats or the Republicans?!) (Maybe the 2004 election was really stolen from Dean, not from Kerry!)
I've been dismayed (and disappointed) to hear of the obstructiveness to FoI requests in Michigan, including Bev Harris's reportetd lack of cooperation from John Conyers' staff. I would have hoped that Conyers would be more cooperative. Even if he can't stop all of the obstructiveness in his home state, he could speak out about it and bring his influence to bear. And he could take the lead in making his own district's election machinery open to inspection as was recently done in Leon County, FL.
The errors that have come to light so far from 2004 reveal the strongest smells coming from the Republican side. If the truth were known I think both sides would smell pretty bad (but the Republicans were earlier getting into the e-voting "business" so they're better at it, perhaps also more motivated by their "grant strategy" from PNAC etc).
Have a look at the BBV home page and watch the videos there of an interview with Dr. Juan Andrade, a highly-placed Democrat in a position of leadership in the Hispanic community. The smell reeks.
No one here on Brad Blog seems to have paid much attention to the Money Trail issue BBV has been revealing. This involves *both* major political parties. Brad Bloggers who ignore this dimension risk misunderstanding the nature of the problems in our electoral system, don't understand its links to old-fashioned corruption, and risk believing mistakenly that one party is inherently more "moral" than another.
As the discussion here will probably be "moving on" to other topics now (I sense this thread is winding down) I feel like a voice in the wilderness. Are there any Brad Bloggers besides me who are concerned about the corruption issue? Are there any Brad Bloggers who are ready to put pressure on Democrats as well as Republicans? (which is NOT to underestimate the Republicans' obvious malfeasance).
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kira
said on 6/6/2005 @ 11:20 pm PT...
I'm here, Catherine A, but don't really have time to answer your in-depth post.
I want transparent elections --- totally transparent and as fraud free as a society can have.
I agree we haven't spent enough time looking at the BBV work here on Bradblog and we really do need to address the issue.
I, also, would like to know why MI is hindering Bev's requests. I'd like to know why MI is asking unreasonable fees for providing the requested info - is that just another way of keeping it out of our grasp?
Since Conyers' is so vocal about election fraud, I really would like for him to comment on this. I think (can't remember right off) I requested such on his blog after you mentioned it here (on another thread.)
It's obvious that there are crooks on both sides of the aisle and I'm all for exposing the lot of 'em!
Keep this topic alive, Catherine A.
Thanks.
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kira
said on 6/7/2005 @ 6:44 am PT...
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/7/2005 @ 7:38 am PT...
For Catherine A.: Good for you. I have no doubt that the Democratic National Committee has gone soft on election fraud all along because they know it's a bi-partisan problem.
Both parties were working hard to steal votes in Washington state. I doubt we'll ever know who really won the governorship there. Wisconsin, which went to Kerry, was another state where fraud was rampant on both sides. In New Mexico, Richardson looked at what had happened, realized the corruption was across the board, and shut the investigation down, probably to save face for himself and keep his 2008 election prospects alive.
ELECTION FRAUD MUST BE SEPARATED FROM PARTISAN POLITICS. As long as resentful liberals revel in the OUTCOME in Washington state, instead of the PROCESS that led to it, then honest elections will be impossible...it will be like the Savings & Loan scandal (remember that?), which was shoved under the rug because the Keating Five included both prominent Republicans and Democrats (McCain and Glenn were two.
The lesson: If both parties have something to hide, reform doesn't get done. Worse, crooks get away with bad stuff. Whether that's why Kerry conceded on Nov. 3 or not is a separate question.
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Catherine a
said on 6/7/2005 @ 8:17 am PT...
Robert #243,
Thanks for articulating this so clearly. I agree completely that it is the PROCESS that one must focus on, not the OUTCOME.
I cringe inside when I hear inflammatory language directed at Republicans on blogs such as this one. I am even uncomfortable with the current Brad Blog headline referring to Washington Republicans/Rossi supporters as "Conspiracy Theorists." I understand the point that is being made, but I don't think imitating someone else's bad behavior is the way to go. I'd rather we (collectively) set a good example.
The WA state Republicans were entitled to raise any questions they wanted to. It's a pity no one (not even any of the Democrats) made a focus of querying the reliability or accuracy of the electronic voting equipment, because that would have set a useful precedent. I bet that's because neither party wants anyone to look at those machines too closely.
I agree with Peg C, Kira, you and the many other Brad Bloggers who see this as a non-partisan issue, and who are willing to scrutinize everyone and let the chips fall where they may. One of the headlines on this blog says, "Hates Hypocrisy." That means there is no excuse for ignoring questionable behavior on anyone's part just because they happen to belong to a party that someone might prefer.
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Winter Patriot
said on 6/7/2005 @ 10:24 am PT...
Hi, Catherine... late last night I wrote a very long and exceedingly brilliant reply to your comment #239 ... but then there was trouble with the blog and I was never able to post that comment ... and now I have to ask you to trust me that it was brilliant, because I cannot remember what it said ... oh! alas! the pitfalls of brilliance!
Just kidding of course but there's some truth in it [i.e. it's true that the blog ate my post] ... anyway thanks for that very interesting comment, which has been immortalized here on please don't read my blog.
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Peg C
said on 6/7/2005 @ 12:08 pm PT...
Catherine A and Kira -
I'm here too. I don't have any graven images, shibboleths or white knights, so I TOTALLY want a complete and transparent overhaul of our electoral process. We need a revolution! A revolution of TRUTH!
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Dredd
said on 6/7/2005 @ 3:15 pm PT...
Kira #242
A link in my post #222 (link here), points out that Iran has been targeted with US nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike mode. Along with other nations.
We have been expecting action against Iran this June (7 days into it now) so this new info that terrorists are hiding there is being let out at "just the right time" as you hinted.
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kira
said on 6/7/2005 @ 3:59 pm PT...
Thanks Dredd for framing my point! Aaarrrggghhh. That's all I can think of to say.
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Catherine a
said on 6/7/2005 @ 4:26 pm PT...
Hi Winter Patriot,
Thanks for the moral support, whatever about immortalization! I hope folks can figure out that when I said "grant strategy" in relation to PNAC I meant to say "grand strategy." OTOH, in light of the corruption issues and vested interests in the military-industrial complex, perhaps "grant strategy" is just as accurate.
Congratulations on the brilliant post which has vanished into the ethers and is doubtlessly being appreciated by Brad Bloggers in some other dimension where computers are more cooperative! I know that sinking feeling when a "perfect" bit of writing disappears. I'm sure there will be other opportunities for us to appreciate more of your best.
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kira
said on 6/7/2005 @ 5:26 pm PT...
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Catherine a
said on 6/8/2005 @ 7:56 am PT...
More remarkable facts are coming out at BBV. Look here for some real eyebrow-raisers relating to the Washington State election. The kinds of systemic shenanigans (e.g., printers printing lots of extra ballots with no accountability; really dodgy e-voting machines) are truly appalling.
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Catherine a
said on 6/8/2005 @ 8:11 am PT...
The same irregularities BBV mentions (link in #250 above) also show up in elections in other states. I was misleading by implying the issues only related to Washington State.
This is really big & bad.
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Catherine a
said on 6/8/2005 @ 8:19 am PT...
And yet another OMG post at BBV here, answering questions about what documentation BBV has obtained and what research it is undertaking. It also mentions further documentation that will be published in the near future (e.g., what various counties charged to respond to FOI requests).
This is explosive stuff.
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Valley Girl
said on 6/8/2005 @ 11:26 am PT...
Catherine,
Thanks for taking up the issue. I tried to post a longer reply, but kept getting a "Your post contains questionable content."
I'll see if this one works!
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Valley Girl
said on 6/8/2005 @ 11:29 am PT...
Okay, that worked.
(contd) And, RLM, you have a great way of putting things, so that they become "obvious". Of course... now it's obvious why there has been so little effort on the part of pols to address election fraud. The Rep crooks and the Dem crooks are enabling each other.
Catherine and RLM, after reading your comments, it seems to me that the campaign for a transparent voting process is not going to progress until we start exposing the crooked Dems also, and revealing the many ways the voting process is compromised.
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Valley Girl
said on 6/8/2005 @ 11:50 am PT...
Hey Catherine,
Thinks are heating up over on the "Washington State" thread, and your comments are pertinent. It would be good to repost them via copy and paste. I'll reference them.
VG