READER COMMENTS ON
"Fuck You, New York Times!"
(17 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 6:28 am PT...
All I want to say is Thank You.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 7:28 am PT...
Corporate ownership puts the NY Times in the same category as FOX or any of the other media that have abandoned journalism for profits.
The NY Times did its damage by being the mouthpiece for the warmongers who pushed the war, and they have refused to investigate or report any of the vital stories still hidden from the public.
Check out our editorial of a few months back:
A CHALLENGE TO THE NY TIMES
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
Robert j Perdue
said on 11/21/2004 @ 9:27 am PT...
Right Fucking On. Fuck these corporate whores.
Fuck the democrats fuck the republicans fuck them all, fuck all the dim witted fucks that make up this so called Democracy.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 9:42 am PT...
Don't forget, the New York Time's RELENTLESS **LIES** during the Whitewater and "China-gate Spy Scandal' - the vast preponderance of the evidence was that China "stole" the US nuclear secrets (specifically the computer-models/plans for the W-88 "bus" nuke-warhead) back in the Bush1-Reagan days... about the same time that Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney were helping Saddam get WMD-precursor technologies. The New York Times have been consistent supporters of the "Investigate Clinton" right-wing lynch mob, running WEEKS worth of "White House Trashing" 'scandal' headlines - without ONE SINGLE PHOTO of proof. As if those lows weren't horrendous enough, (and the "White House Trashing Scandal" pretty much gave Bush a FREE PASS to IGNORE the al Qaida threat while he went on photo-op and fundraiser vacations) the Time's William Safire PERSONALLY called for intense retribution - a heavy hand - in Fallujah after the 4 Blackwater mercenaries were killed there. One must realize that Blackwater's mercenaries essentially have the same powers as the German SS in WWII: they can kill anyone, torture anyone, do anything, without answering to anyone. William Safire and the New York Times support the SS-esque assassins and gunmen roaming Iraq on the US taxpayer tab - and while the body-count there might not be quite as bad as it was when Saddam wiped out entire clans during his regime, it must be remebered that he did so with the knowledge and aquiesence of the Bush-Reagan administrations....
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 10:26 am PT...
I am beginning to f**kin hate the NYT and all the other rag sheets that try to pass themselves off as legimate newspapers. Why the hell does anyone buy them? Garbage in garbage out.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 10:28 am PT...
Thank you for your piece. Let them know they have no base of support. Make sure their sponsors know this too. You are what you report and when you have such a collosal bad record as NYT they should be doing mea culpa for the next one hundred years rather than pretending to know anything
I don't understand why anyone would not believe a paper with such a fine record of reporting over the last four years. Judith Miller's Saddam's got WMD stories was a sign of pure genius rather than an act of stenography from the White House. Thomas Friedman - genius - of course we have to go into Iraq and all our jobs should be outsourced. This is a man that is truly on my side. I'm sure that his world view is that I should be in Iraq protecting the world that he and your whole staff has created for themselves. Elizabeth Bumiller, I just loved her performance during the Democratic debates when she continually interrupted every candidate and gave her take on things before they could speak until somehow had to ask her to be quiet. It's good to see that your whole staff is still getting some air time on the corporately own air waves despite being wrong about everything they've written. You can tell me there is no story in Ohio and Florida and I'll hold to the standard you've shown in covering other critical stories in the last four years and I'll choose not to believe your quaint little paper. Send my best to gang of cub reporters and tell them to keep up the quality of reporting you're doing. You could get assigned a couple of seats further on air force one if you continue to be the mouthpiece for the administration.
Medford. MA (A liberal who doesn't believe a word the liberal media says)
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 10:39 am PT...
Great going. I just sent a scathing email to everyone on the list. My keyboard is still SMOKIN'
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 11:06 am PT...
Democracy Betrayed By NY Times!!
This is news? THREE YEARS AGO the NY Times reported that Al Gore had received the most votes in Florida in 2000, which meant that he should have been the President. Talk about late-breaking news! This subversive item was buried under a headline saying "BUSH WON". How messed up is THAT?
50 YEARS AGO, the CIA sponsored a black-op that produced a regime-change in Guatemala; public opinion in the USA was 'prepared' by a warmongering campaign led by... the NY Times !!
Thus began a clandestine and undeclared civil war which raged for decades and may still be smoldering. How much of this has been reported in the NY Times? Take a wild guess...
OVER A CENTURY AGO the USA waged war against Spain on charges that were later shown to be bogus, after public opinion in the USA was 'prepared' by a warmongering campaign led by... the NY Times !!
It's been going on for a long long time, folks!
We tend to remember the NY Times fondly for printing excerpts from 'The Pentagon Papers', and for following this up with a bit of truthful reporting about Vietnam and Watergate. Thus the NY Times contributed to America's extrication from Vietnam, and to the fall of Richard Nixon. But we tend to forget that this was exceptional behavior from the NY Times, and now we have to remind ourselves that it happened more than 30 years ago, and that the NY Times has done very little to support the causes of Truth and Democracy before or since, although it has done a great deal to harm these very causes.
WAKE UP AMERICA! Big Media is not your friend and it never was. You can't get the Truth by sitting on the couch and watching TV, nor can you get it delivered to your front door every morning. If you want the Truth you have to go digging for it: you have to use the Internet, read local and foreign papers, independent news-gathering websites, investigative reporters, and blogs like this one.
We need to hold this simple idea firmly in our minds, always resisting the soft seductive pull of the major-media 'news' with its 'Rovian spin' and its easy answers. And we have to do all we can to convince our friends and neighbors to do the same.
In my view, the first step in freeing ourselves from the tyranny of mass media consists in learning to ignore it. Some of us are getting there...
The second step is helping other people to ignore it. This is easier said than done, to be sure, but that doesn't make it any less necessary.
Third, we need to spread important news by word of mouth, by e-mail, newsgroups, mailing lists and every other way we can think of. Yes, it's hard work, and yes, it feels kind of strange to do things this way, but what other choice do we have?
Many thanks, once again, to Brad. I wish there were more folks out there like you, buddy! Keep up the good work ...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 11:19 am PT...
Thanks, Brad! Here's what I wrote them:
I was talking with a friend and I have to agree with his take: You guys are not reporters at all. You've become so paralyzed with second-guessing everything that might upset the Bush administration that you've turned into lackeys. You don't report anything thath might prove controversial. You're a bunch of girlscouts.
When you finally remember what journalism is all about, let me know. When you finally remember what democracy in this country used to mean and get outraged about the election fraud, let me know.
Until then, I'll get my news elsewhere.
aka Angry Girl
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2004 @ 7:21 pm PT...
The same New York Times reporter, Tom Zeller Jr., whom Brad quite rightly condemns here, did an even worse piece in the Times on November 12th, titled ďAs Fast as Blogs See Vote Fraud, Web Is Proving Rumors Wrong.Ē My book, IRAQ WAR: THE TRUTH, was called "devastating" by Richard Falk, largely because of its case that the New York Times had served as a flak for President Bush in deceiving the American people about "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction" and Saddam's being behind Al Qaeda. A web-search for the phrase (in quotation marks) "Sulzberger dodged the question" will bring up a letter to the editor I wrote to EDITOR & PUBLISHER in which I cite a speech by the Publisher of the Times, A.O. Sulzberger Jr. He indicates there that it's okay with him that his newspaper served as a mouthpiece for the Bush Administration's pre-invasion propaganda against Iraq. People who think that only such blatantly right-wing news media as Fox News, Clear Channel Communications, and Sinclair Broadcasting, are in the Administration's pocket, don't understand that the "mainstream" news media also are--even if some of them, like the Times, do it with far more sophistication than such people as Rupert Murdoch.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
Bobbi in Va.
said on 11/21/2004 @ 8:23 pm PT...
Just sent to NYT:
Can someone please explain to me why the NYT refuses to acknowledge that there's even a smidgen of doubt about who won the 2004 presidential election?
It's obvious that there were voting irregularities--how else do you explain 4000+ votes for Bush in a precinct with 600 registered voters? And why did primarily African American precincts in urban Ohio have less than half the voting machines they should have had, causing waits of up to 10 hours, when white, suburban precincts had plenty of machines and little-to-no wait? Meanwhile, 68 machines that could have eased the long lines sat in storage rather than being used.
Unfortunately, the NYT has pooh-poohed all concerns, suggesting them to be the rantings of lunatics who wear tin-foil hats and believe Elvis is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Remember when you jumped on the "march to Baghdad" bandwagon, reporting everything the Bush administration said as fact, instead of investigating before you reported? Later, you had to apologize for not doing your job.
Well I have some bad news for you: Apparently you don't learn from your mistakes. When you should be investigating every voting irregularity and interviewing nonpartisan experts, you're busy preparing for the coronation of King George.
Americans deserve to know the truth about whether or not this election was stolen. I would think that even the Bush supporters would want to know, so they can tell the rest of us that they won fair and square this time.
With the current lack of action from the NYT and other mainstream media, we may never know.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2004 @ 6:37 am PT...
> that make up this so called Democracy.
We are not a Democracy. We are a Representative Republic.
I agree with you guys about the NYT. They were a lapdog for Kerry.
I am sure you guys can get better news from one of your favorite and more progressive (liberal) magazines - Hustler!
Go to moveamericaforward.com and support our troops.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2004 @ 8:56 am PT...
Supercalifragilisticexpialidotious!!!! Finally a bit of relief from the scalding vapors billowing from my ears over the U.S. media's betrayal of journalistic principle. For let us recall that the Times is not the sole guilty rag. USA Today tells us that "America dodged a [voting scandal] bullet". Dodged? DODGED? Hoo boy! Serious Question: What goes on in the mind of a "mainstream" American reporter or editor who pooh-poohs the innumerable voting irregularities unearthed by his or her journalistic betters of the Web? --- Danny in France
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2004 @ 10:33 am PT...
"I am sure you guys can get better news from one of your favorite and more progressive (liberal) magazines - Hustler!"
Here's a link to Hustler's interview with Greg Palast. I am sure you will agree that this represents MUCH better reporting than anything we have EVER seen from the NY Times. http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=3
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2004 @ 12:26 pm PT...
My comment to Paul is keep reading whatever swill the corporate lapdog media puts out. I believe truly that they are all part of the liberal elite this vast shadowy cospiracy that is so powerful that they've managed to lose the presidency, congress and the courts. They are so left wing that I've practically had to wrestle with the heads of the NYT not to send me a check when they tried to divide all their assets with the workers of the world. I'd take Larry Flynt and Greg Palast any day. The one thing I'm coming to believe more and more is your comment we certainly aren't a democracy. That's why I wonder why we're going around the world trying to force other countries to be one by the barrel of a gun.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2004 @ 9:44 pm PT...
ok....stomp the pigs and smash the state!!!its come to that...i mean evil emperor and fascist toadies need to be truly stomped...no quarter...save the planet!!! ringo
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2004 @ 11:50 am PT...
I wrote those little lapdogs a letter and told them we were going to put them in the pound if they didn't get to work. But they'll be too busy sniffing for crumbs under Georgie-boy's table to mend their ways. I told them that too. I cursed them for all time and promised them we'd make sure their names went down in history as the arch-traitors of democracy. Especially heinous given all the world went through in the 20th Century and the chance we had, having emerged from the cold war, to actually get our collective acts together and make this a groovier planet. But those pugs helped piss out that wonderful flame. Fuck them all forever.