So there is no way that these results can be confirmed? She says whoopsie and that's it?

I swear.

If the USA election "system" keeps this up, we are going to immortalize the late Stalin.

Not the rock band Stalling ... Stalin.

The dude who said "It is not the voters who decide election anything, it is the Saint Nickolaus vote counters who decide everything" ... merry christmas ... and to all a good nite.

How can we count the lies.

In the form of election electrons or in the form of election ballots?

In the form of the dishonesty of elfs like Kathy?

Easy ... rely on the experts and do not even try to figure which way the wind blows.

Or, stay thirst my friends.

I knew the crooked and decietfil RWNJ's of the GOP would find a way to make sure prosser wins, truthful or not. King Walker speaks again, along with the Koch Bros.

And the surprise here is?

an error that might give thousands of votes to Justice David Prosser

Well, no. The error took thousands of votes away from Prosser, and correcting the error gave those thousands of votes back.

Try to keep up.

It's hilarious how you lefty progressives squeal in pain when what is perceived by you as tactics similar to those deployed by your own thuggish union imbeciles don't go your way ... it's the right-wing fascists behind it. Grow up.

Um, folks? If the candidates never bothered to check that all locations had reported votes, they shouldn't have been conceding or declaring victory.

Wisconsin requires poll workers to produce ballot reconciliation forms. Those need to be matched up to the clerk's personal totals for Brookfield.

Witholding results in close races is an old game --- remember Lake County Indiana in 2008 pres. primary --- and obviously allows insiders to replace, ditch, or replenish ballots.

But it will be important, if this story pans out, to look at the level of detail results already published as of yesterday. Did they or did they not include Brookfield? If they did not, shame on everyone for galoomping around claiming results were close, recounts were inevitable, or stating winners and losers.

If Brookfield results were already committed to yesterday then the investigation needs to go a different direction.

And once again, we are all running around playing having political passions when the cold, hard, truth is that computerized election systems are concealing the count from the public, a violation of our inalienable right to self-government and right to know.

She keeps election results on an access database on her personal computer? Hmmmm....

"INSERT INTO VOTE_TOTAL (Party, City, Count) VALUES ('R', 'Brookfield', 7381);"

how could i have missed those votes? What a weird glitch.

The electronic voting equipment may be capable of surprises, but Democrats are predictable in that they will not question yet another "glitch" that defies the will of the voters. As long as we are voting or having ballots counted on these joke machines, I suggest Democrats cede elections before campaign season starts. Think of all the political ads we could all avoid and revenue denied to media companies! If democracy and transparency mean so little to Republicans and Democrats, let's just get this charade over with and stop playing pretend elections!

LOL sore losers the whole lot of you

A NET 7,382 votes out of less than 14,000 cast? That means that, at most, Kloppenberg got 3,309 votes out of 14,000. Did either candidate win ANY other polling district by that large a margin?

Oh, get a grip. The Vice-Chair of the Democratic Party stated there were no shenanigans and that it was a legitimate bookkeeping error. Funny how liberals always believe "every vote should be counted," unless they don't want them to be counted. Why no howls of indignation at all the voter fraud permitted by lack of a reliable voter i.d. system? Hypocrites!

Sounds like the Rovian effect on the elections.
OR the supreme court of the state of WIsconsin
should have been the decider/
Well then again depending on corruption
the vote went the way of the right

Does one expect anything different from the Koch brothers and Diebold? Get a grip. All elections are fixed now folks.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether the votes should be counted. They are questioning whether they were ever cast at all. There should be an investigation and if they were cast by legitimate voters, they should count.

Signed,

A Liberal

T"hat means that, at most, Kloppenberg got 3,309 votes out of 14,000. Did either candidate win ANY other polling district by that large a margin? "

Yes. And shouldn't you find that out before asking the question?

Klopenberg has requested all the records from Waukesha county.
http://elections.wispoli...d&utm_medium=twitter

Yes, all elections are fixed. Dems please stay home and don't bother voting.

Calculator,

Brookfield is a GOP dominated city, so the margin is reasonable. In our most liberal county (Dane), Kloppy won with a margin of something like 4 to 1.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether the votes should be counted. They are questioning whether they were ever cast at all.

Anyone doing that questioning is a deranged kook.

Ramona Kitzinger, a Democratic representative on the canvassing board and vice-chair of county’s Democratic party, stepped up to podium to confirm Nickolaus’s account. “We’re satisfied that it’s correct,” Kitzinger said of the numbers.“We went over everything and made sure the numbers jibed.”

http://elections.wispoli...d&utm_medium=twitter

Recall that yesterday, Prosser's campaign director said that "there’s plenty of reason to believe there’s unrecognized opportunity to deliver a victory."

Did the campaign director have Kathy Nickolaus in mind when he referenced the “unrecognized opportunity to deliver a victory”?

Recall that yesterday, Prosser's campaign director said that "there’s plenty of reason to believe there’s unrecognized opportunity to deliver a victory."

I recall that yesterday Klopper declared victory even though the count was not yet completed. Seems sinister to me!

I have been a poll worker here in Madison for all elections over the last two years, prior to that I worked at the polls in California for six years before that).

(And note to Brad - we debated here and then met in person outside a hearing in Los Angeles on the "double bubble" problem however many years ago.)

I worked at the polls Tuesday, and personally 'closed out' our vote scanner/counter. Waukesha uses (to the best of my knowledge) the same ballot and voting mechanism that Madison uses.

There is NO WAY that somebody - even a county clerk - could decide to 'manufacture' 10000 ballots two days after an election. Besides the ballots themselves, you would need voter registry lists that showed 10000 additional people showing up in random order, the 'prom packs' from the scanner/counter machines showing those additional 7500 ballots having been scanned in two days earlier, and the printed out totals from those machines signed by multiple poll workers two days earlier (and probably five other things I'm not thinking of.)

If this is an attempt to defraud and "steal" an election, it will be uncovered in very short order.

I VERY much want Kloppenburg to win; but it is very likely, this was a very large, very public clerical error. And nothing more.

SteveM: Why would I ask a question if i already knew the answer?

It seems like the perfect setup. Writing about recent election in February, Kelley Smith points out that parts of Waukesha County hadn't used touchscreen voting machines in years. But There was a shortage of ballots ordered and delivered by the same Kathy Nicholous. You could either wait until a ballot might arrive, or vote on the touch screen machine. So Rovian.

"More ballots ordered in Waukesha County communities
By Laurel Walker of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 15, 2011

Waukesha - Several Waukesha County communities ran out of ballots early and had to ask for a re-supply Tuesday, County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said.

However, voters still have had the chance to vote on a paperless touch-screen machine at each polling place until new paper ballots arrived, she said.

Nickolaus estimated a 10% voter turnout, and municipal clerks could order ballots based on that estimate or order more or less. She asked clerks to re-order by noon Tuesday if they thought they'd need more.

Clerks in Menomonee Falls, Delafield, Summit, New Berlin and the towns of Oconomowoc, Vernon, Waukesha and Genesee called for more ballots. Nickolaus said a printer on standby provided the additional ballots. The largest number went to Menomonee Falls, which initially ordered 2,900 ballots and then asked for an additional 2,000. Most needed only a couple hundred more.

Nickolaus said she didn't think the temporary shortage would delay voters or cause polls to stay open later than the 8 p.m. closing."

AND here is an article from the following day, written by Kelly Smith.

"Ballot shortage in primary election

Some voters used touch machine for first time

Posted: Feb. 16, 2011

Because of a higher-than-anticipated voter turnout for the Republican state Supreme Court primary election Tuesday, voters in Lake Country and across Waukesha County were forced to cast ballots on electronic "touch" voting machines, some of which have sat virtually unused in polling places since 2006.

The voters were strongly encouraged by election officials to use the machines in communities that were either running short of - or had run out of -ballots.

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said about 15 municipalities had to order additional ballots during the day.

Nickolaus had anticipated an 8 percent voter turnout but printed enough ballots to cover a 10-percent turnout. Instead, countywide turnout was 12.4 percent.

Nickolaus had predicted the low turnout because there were only two contested municipal primary elections, two contested school district primary elections in the county, and the state Supreme Court race, which initially appeared to be generating relatively little voter interest.

Individual municipal clerks order ballots from Nickolaus based on both her countywide turnout prediction and the municipal clerk's turnout prediction, which is often based on whether there are any local contests on the ballot.

For example, in the Town of Oconomowoc Clerk Jo Ann Lesser said the clerk's office suggested enough ballots for a 10 percent voter turnout, but the town had 14.6 percent hit the polls or 867 out of 5,917 eligible voters. She said early on she instructed voters to start using the touch screen machines and put a few ballots aside just in case a voter refused to use that method, however, everything went smoothly using the other method.

"Not one worker stated that an elector had a problem with using the machine an actually after they were done, they heard many comments as to 'that wasn't so bad' or 'that wasn't as hard as I thought it would be,' " Lesser said.

City of Delafield Clerk Gina Gresch anticipated a turnout of about 10 percent, which would have required about 375 ballots, in addition to the absentee ballots already cast. Instead, there was a 14-percent turnout in the city, with 652 ballots cast.

"I have been doing this for 12 years, and it is the first time I have ever run out of ballots," she said. No one in the city had cast a ballot on the touch machine since it had been available in the 2006 election, she said.

Investigate this woman! Everything about her! Anybody this blatant has skeletons to be discovered. Find them and ruin her. Play for KEEPS!

Kloppenburg's not taking this lying down:

http://www.defendwiscons...rds-request-in-waukesha/

Furthermore, before the magic laptop votes were "found", One Wisconsin Now noted the strange election-results pattern for Waukesha County in this election, and the even stranger behavior of Kathy Nickolaus in past elections:

http://www.onewisconsinn...went-on-in-waukesha.html

Brad,

Can you ask.. How does someone have an election in Feb.. An official Canvas, and then the results changed... WHEN????

So if you wanted to cheat an election and you have shown your election accounting to be pretty shoddy (how do you not know you missed so many votes, if you know turnout was high and you know X amount is normal, wouldn't you know about what the vote totals should be)....so if you are shoddy and possibly partisan, maybe you "accidently" don't report a big chunk of votes in you district while you cook the books and change those results. You do it in an area you know will be pro-Prosser anyways, you just make it more pro Prosser.

So to Madison election worker, its not that 7000 or 13000 votes were created whole cloth, its that the votes may have been held back while they were changed in there split between candidates.

So its simple to suss out whether this makes sense or not...now with these vote totals, was Waukesha's voter turnout similar to other similar districts or feakishly high. And were the ratio of vote for Prosser to Klop. similar to other districts and more importantly, did they diverge/change from primary election results in the same district in the same way as other districts changed from the primary. These stats will tell if this makes sense as an error or not.

I don't get her saying she didn't push save button on Access database. Isn't Access a dynamically updating database, as soon as you put new number in, all results, tabs, sums etc should instantly update, no? You might forget to put a number in by accident if you manually input totals, that makes sense, but not pushing save? I don't get that.

So we've been robbed,now what? Now it's up to Kloppenberg to direct our course. If she is willing to stand up and fight, what we know to be election fraud, then we should be willing to support her.

Here is what I suggest. They have taken away all of our rights, don't let them get away with the last drop of Democracy we have-the vote. In order to prevent this, if Ms. Kloppenberg is willing to fight, we should be willing to donate, nationwide, $1 to help her. Ms Kloppenberg, the ball is in your court...

Her computer should be immediately confiscated and a qualified team of independent investigators should go over the recent history. If the situation were reversed it would have happened already.

from comment on another blog"

Only 6,520 registered voters in Brookfield­, but over 10,000 voted for Prosser. It's impossible­.

http://ele­­ctions.st�...155­14&lo­cid=4­7

You mean to tell me that there is no record of the raw data that the county clerk used to enter into the database on her PC?

Inevitably when data is transferred from one place to another, errors can occur. There must be a record of the data from the original source in something as important as an election.

Otherwise we can skip the expense of an election and just let the county clerks pick the winners.

Karen -

"its that the votes may have been held back while they were changed in there split between candidates."

In Madison and I believe in Waukesha, the 'optical scan' paper ballot is put into the scanner/tabulator by the voter themself. Unless there is an error (overvote for example) the scanned ballot is counted and drops into a locked ballot box. At the end of the night, that scanner/tabulator is 'closed out' and a printout of the vote totals is printed and then signed by multiple poll workers (actually a couple copies are printed and signed, and then sent off to various city and county clerks.) The paper ballots are 'locked' into big plastic bags with numbered plastic seals, with the numbers recorded and set to those same clerks.

For someone to do anything close to what you suggest - hold back ballots and change them subsequently - they would have to destroy the record created in the scanner/tabulator's memory pack (also locked and sealed in a numbered bag, with number recorded and set to clerks), and then subsequently create new paper ballots, use those to create new scanner/tabulator prom pack memory traces, print out new totals printouts and somehow have them appear to be signed by those multiple poll workers, make it appear that all of that happened a day or two earlier, destroy all the 'old stuff', and get everything sealed up with the properly numbered seals. I don't know the procedures for when and where the seals are broken on the bags of actual ballots, but I'd bet that multiple people have to witness it happening.

I've probably forgotten stuff in there, but I hope I've given you some idea that whether creating ballots out of whole cloth or holding back and modifying ballots, the process would be so complex as to be almost impossible, unless dozens of people were "in on it".

I'll try to find some numbers on turnout, and write more later.

Might I remind everyone here that the canvass was done by the County Clerk, Kathy Nickolaus as well as Ramona Kitzinger (Vice Chair of the Waukesha County Democrat Party), as well as representative from the County Republicans.

So, if you are going to call Kathy Nickolaus out for cheating, you have to call out Ramona Kitzinger, also!

"went over everything and made sure that all the numbers jived up, and they did."

"I'm the Democratic vice chair of Waukesha County, so I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true,"

The only real discrepancy here was between the unofficial count (released to the media before the verification canvassing, and the actual numbers (released to the state AFTER the verification canvassing).

If the press was just willing to wait for real, bipartisan verified numbers, there would have been no discrepancy.

Nickolaus needs to be detained for questioning STAT. The FBI needs to take the computers, phone records, bank statements and every piece of dust in Nickolaus's home and office.

This smacks of the fix, and it is an act of treason. Nothing short of treason.

This just may be the spark that ignites the powder-keg. I am not sleeping well tonight.

Karen -

The link you posted didn't work.

But I looked up on the Waukesha County web site for the Nov 2010 election, when Scott Walker won the gvernorship. Over 21000 votes were cast in the city of Brookfield in the Nov election.

Brookfield had a population of over 38000 in the 2000 census, so figure 40000+ now. Only 6500 registered voters would be an unusually low number. Maybe the link is confusing the city of Brookfield with the town of Brookfield.

I know a Wisconsinite that died in an auto accident about 8 years ago. I'm wondering if he voted for Prosser in this election. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

So to Madison election worker, its not that 7000 or 13000 votes were created whole cloth, its that the votes may have been held back while they were changed in there split between candidates.

I always get a kick out of watching the "reality based community" spinning their fantastic, unproven, and unprovable theories.

Well, I'm not finding much on specific turnout numbers, Turnout was pretty variable county to county but generally high overall, considering it was a spring election. Madison/Dane County turnout was almost as high as last Novemeber's congressional/gubenatorial election. So high turnout in Waukesha is to be expected.

In the February primary, there were about 36K votes cast for supreme court in Waukesha County, with 30K of them going to Prosser. Yes, that is MUCH lower turnout, but that is because the Feb primary was before most all of the Walker stuff happened (as a matter of fact, the day of the primary was the day that the protests at the Capitol started). So Prosser doing very well in Waukesha was expected.

Let me clarify a point for the Reality Based Community. There is no such thing as "holding back" vote counts from the AP. Those AP numbers you all live and die by? They mean sweet fuck all. The only numbers which mean anything are the official State of Wisconsin numbers, which were not finalized before this latest news and are still not finalized after it.

How much do you want to bet that Nickolaus is being honest here? Would you bet your lifesavings?Her computer must be confiscated and examined. Even then, given the pattern and the circumstances, this stinks to high heaven.

At worst, this woman should be fired.

At best, she should be in jail.

This is what happens when you "look forward" and let the lawbreakers get away with breaking the law. They keep doing it and doing it and doing it again.

Hey, maybe there were more ballots cast in Brookfield than there are voters present! Case closed!

Of course that happens all the time in Democratic precincts and it is somehow never proof of fraud.

This is what happens when you "look forward" and let the lawbreakers get away with breaking the law.

Uh huh. Can you clear the spittle from your lips long enough to tell me which specific law you believe she broke?

One more thing to point out - the actual ballots and scanner/tabulator machines most likely went to the clerk of the city of Brookfield, and NOT to the Waukesha County Clerk, Kathy Nickolaus.

Under normal procedure, I think it is the case that Nickolaus would not have been in the same physical location as the ballots at this point (if ever).

Wow, she really looks like a rich GOP. Nope just a brainwahed (conservative) soul.

So was the Democrat on the canvass team lying?

This smells like Karl Rove in the 2002 Alabama election. When the GOP was behind, "Suddenly" 15000 votes appeared from Mobile Al. Don Siegleman complained and ended up in jail.

There should be a foia on on Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus's emails and cell phone records. Also, if possible, all records of electronic tranmissions thru the isp. Remember the Bush server in Tennesee counting votes in Ohio?

I think Robert Earle is right - I've been voting on optical machines in Madison for at least twenty years, and you'd have to create a massive pile of fake ballots to get away with the kind of election fraud that's being suggested. Not an impossible task, but extremely difficult nevertheless. I will say this, though - in elections, as in courts of law, there shouldn't even be the appearance of impropriety. There is a lot about this that warrants reasonable doubt.

@ SteveM - I'll tell you about laws broken when you tell me which "Democratic precincts have more ballots cast than voters present" which should be easy for you since it apparently happens all the time.

Seems the only one with spittle to wipe away here is you.

My question is... is this computer going to be investigated? is there a way to tell if the files were modified?

I have to agree with Doug - there shouldn't even be an appearance of impropriety here.

Glad to see this woman is adding to her already stellar record. You know it's bad when RW sites are referring to you as "Republican activist."

I'll tell you about laws broken when you tell me which "Democratic precincts have more ballots cast than voters present"

I asked you first!

Try googling "more ballots cast than voters".

there shouldn't even be an appearance of impropriety here.

There is an appearance of impropriety is so many elections. Why should this one be any different?

"there shouldn't even be an appearance of impropriety here."

Let me be clear here: I'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation. Of course there should be an investigation. I'm saying that if there was an malfeasance, it will be comically easy to uncover.

http://www.dailykos.com/...eded-EXACTLY-+7500-votes

http://www.verifiedvotin...;ec=allall&year=2008

Citizen Action Calls for Federal Investigation into Vote Count Irregularities in Waukesha County

petition @TheJusticeDept for immediate investigation of Waukesha Co.Clerk for "found" votes http://act.ly/3dg RT to sign #wiunion

Investigate Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus For Election Fraud

Prediction: Statistical anomalies will appear in touch screen voting for Brookfield.
Voting equipment and computers used will be lost and hard drives will be eraced clean of evidence.
Nicholaus will not be investigated for fraud.
Prosser appoints himself Supreme Court Justice.
Wisconsin government will lose its legitimacy.
Welcome to Fascist States of America.

High-profile lawyers retained for possible Supreme Court recount

"... Kloppenburg's campaign is working with Marc Elias, an attorney with Perkins Coie, a Washington D.C.-based firm with an office in downtown Madison. Elias is the same attorney who represented Democratic challenger Al Franken in his eight-month epic recount battle with incumbent Republican Norm Coleman. Franken eventually prevailed, winning his U.S. Senate seat by 312 votes.

"Prosser has hired Ben Ginsberg, a Washington-D.C. attorney who played a prominent role in the 2000 Bush-Gore presidential recount effort in Florida. He was also part of the team that represented Coleman in his recount effort. Prosser has also retained Madison attorney Jim Troupis, and Dan Kelly, who is based in Milwaukee...."

With all of the "Mistakes" that have been found I believe that a recount is in order! Whenever there are votes "found", or there was any problem with the count I believe a recount is absolutely necessary to insure the fairness of the system! I believe that if the State of Wisconsin had vote by mail, this error would not have occured.
What is really troubling is that fact that in every case where there has been problems with the vote counting the election supervisor was a Republican! This is just too much of a coincidence!

Before voting machines there was ballot box stuffing.

The purpose of elections is to divide and conquer a population. The military and big corporations have "governments" to deflect the wrath of the people. But no matter how the officials of those "governments" change, the military and the big corporations still call the shots.

Voting in unverifiable and easily rigged elections for officials who can't be held accountable, is irresponsible. People who vote in elections in the US, where the Supreme Court said that the Constitution doesn't require that votes be counted, and then pretend that they care about their vote being counted, are hypocrites. No matter how much documentation there may be about a stolen election, in a country where votes don't need to be counted, there is no possible redress.

The rich are a tiny minority, less than 1%. They could never dominate without the distraction of elections to take attention away from them and focus it on political parties and candidates.

When the Egyptians focused on getting rid of Mubarak, they couldn't see that his regime would remain in power. It is no different here. Those who focus on getting rid of a particular President, can never understand that the Pentagon and the big corporations will still get everything they want no matter who is "elected" to pretend to be running the country.

Both Bush and Obama stated clearly that they would not allow public opinion to influence policy decisions. They can't. They have to carry out the policies of the policy-making bodies that fund their election campaigns.

Corporations are going to spend billions of dollars getting out the vote in 2012. Savvy people might understand that if the corporations spend huge amounts of money promoting genetically modified foods, pharmaceutical drugs, or nuclear power plants, those things probably aren't good for you. But when the same corporations spend billions promoting elections, unverifiable elections for candidates who can't be held accountable, those same people seem to think it is a good thing.

I've been explaining for years that the only way to get honest elections is to refuse to vote in unverifiable elections. Our government is a hierarchy, so any gains or victories made at the local or state level can be overridden or defunded at the federal level.

The reason that corporations spend billions on elections is because their puppet "governments" need the consent of the governed in order to be able to claim legitimacy. No matter how you vote or who you vote for, your vote is your consent. If you give your consent, you can't claim that you were betrayed because you consented. And you consented knowing full well that campaign promises might be lies and that once elected, officials cannot be held accountable.

When something is unacceptable, it is wrong to accept it.

According to Wikipedia:
On April 6, 2010, Alderman Steve Ponto defeated two term incumbent Mayor Jeff Speaker by a vote of 4,458 to 4,253. Ponto was a corporate attorney and had served as 4th District Alderman since 1998. The mayor of Brookfield is elected to a four year term.
If in a 2010 mayoral election in Brookfield 8,711 votes were cast,
I wonder if this data is also helpful in gaging the credibility of the 14,315 votes found in a 'bookkeeping error' by the Waukesha county clerk? And were there no votes at all included from Brookfield in that county's report on election night? Why didn't anyone else notice in that county that no votes had been reported from Brookfield? Are there not county maps of individual polling places? Would it not be clear to the Prosser camp and the Kloppenburg camp in this county that there was (or was not) a polling station or region that had yet to report within the county? Or is it only the county clerk in Waukesha who keeps track of this kind of data? And if so, why is this called democracy?

Ted Bingham said on 4/7/2011 @ 8:00 pm PT...

Might I remind everyone here that the canvass was done by the County Clerk, Kathy Nickolaus as well as Ramona Kitzinger (Vice Chair of the Waukesha County Democrat Party), as well as representative from the County Republicans.

So, if you are going to call Kathy Nickolaus out for cheating, you have to call out Ramona Kitzinger, also!

"went over everything and made sure that all the numbers jived up, and they did."

"I'm the Democratic vice chair of Waukesha County, so I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true,"

The only real discrepancy here was between the unofficial count (released to the media before the verification canvassing, and the actual numbers (released to the state AFTER the verification canvassing).

This

Richard B. Vote counting issues? Like Florida in 2000? You fringe dwellers kill me.

Mike Malloy? What a nasty hack. You guys hang out with him? That says a lot about you.

Here's something interesting to ponder:
http://www.dailykos.com/...ore-Sup-Court-ONLY-Votes

The repugs are laughing in their coffee blood this morning. They did it again and this time, the only one who will go down is the anti-choice republipig, Kathy Nickolaus. A small price to pay for ensuring that the corrupt piece of s_it, Prosser, will be on the bench to rule in favor of walker.

Does anyone remember when a late night decision ever ever went the other way? A democrat miraculously won? I don't . Seems like the law of averages would enter in at some point.

AP numbers and Wisconsin numbers were different anyway?

The people of Wisconsin still have choices to make. They can turn left and go the way of Detroit, Michigan; or they can turn right and go the way of Indianapolis, Indiana. It's their choice.

Still, I wish they would take a look at both places, and observe the results of such choices.

Interesting how, when Brad and I wrote WI Supreme Court Election Virtually Deadlocked, According to the Machines Anyway [UPDATED], calling for a hand count at a time when Prosser trailed by 202 votes, we did not receive so much as one comment from the Right suggesting otherwise.

But the next day, when Brad exposed the fact that the Republican County Clerk who says whoops, here's 7,500 more votes for Prosser, had previously been criticized and audited for storing election results on her own computer, in pile the trolls, complaining about "sore loser" Dems.

As Brad has so often and so eloquently put it, Election integrity is not about Left or Right. It's about right and wrong.

Hand-count the votes!

Which is exactly what happened to Don Siegelman in Alabama. One lone republican country suddenly found almost exactly the same number of votes, in the middle of the night and put the most corrupt governor Reilly in office. They were not satisfied with that and proceeded to judge shop until they got a judge who would prosecute a case where no crime had been committed.

And guess who is sitting on his ass & refusing to even look at the Siegelman case......Barrack Obama and his so-called Justice Dept.

We are just now beginning to realize just how sorry our so-called Democratic party is. They won't lift a finger to do anything about republican corruption, election stealing, fraud, theft or anything else.

We don't have anything close to a Democracy. We have a bunch of rich thugs who have stolen everything this country was based on.

We don't need to worry about the long dead Osama Bin Laden's terrorists. We have them right here in this country and they are running the government via election fraud, monopolies, corruption, grand theft and a host of other crimes. No one & I mean no one is doing a damn thing about it.

With the budget crisis coming to a head, it will only be a short time before the Republicans propose that they be allowed to declare who wins and save the tax payers the costs of the election.

In response to those who say there is no way to create 14000 votes whole clothe without detection I pointed out that these were not necessarily votes without voters but could have had their ratio messed with. To which people said that would involved messing with many paper ballots cast at precincts.

I don't think that is complete thinking. As a linked article above notes unlike past elections, in this one where paper ballots were in shortage many people were encouraged to use machines to vote, this is not speculation but fact. And with the machines, an insider can do just about anything they want. Second, how many of these ballots were mailed-in absentee ballots. Absentee ballots can be manufactured and stuff much more easily than ballots from people voting in precinct. If you are an insider, just look and see who had one mailed to them but did not return and vote for them. I'm sure there are other clever schemes, like throwing out votes etc.

I don't necessarily conclude this is fraud, I'm simply pointing out that the comfort of the Dem canvassers and the amount of votes seeming to be too large of an amount to fabricate does NOT remove all suspicion.

I was excited there was going to be recount of election even tho that meant Klop might end up losing because every time there is a difficult recount process, many of the horrible gaping holes in our election systems are exposed. In MN, huge problems with handling of absentee ballots was exposed during Coleman/Frankin recount. It seems election systems get vetted better when a Repub loses ( compared Franklin/Coleman 6 month publicly watched and several layers of judges review every controversy, compare to recount to W/Gore not allowed to be completed recount)

On the same line of thought, I think it is very important this error and the vote count in these precincts and all precincts be thoroughly reviewed and WI elections systems should be improved. At a min, this woman and her staff was pretty incompetent if they did not notice several whole precincts not being report election night, that is very poor accounting controls. If course any entry of totals is likely to have mistakes from time to time, that is why you have means to cross check and double check. But according to here whole town was not reported, how is one or more precincts have 0 by vote count and no one notices even when the next morning 100 percent of precincts reported?

I just think everyone, on all sides should always be super skeptical and should demand their votes be secure and counted in a way that public can verify. Without that, we jsut have to trust so and so was honest. We have to be able to check there work.

I hope WI has the systems to keep paper ballots secure and do a thorough recount by hand in public. If the vote totals reported by each precinct, signed off by several people in each precinct all match up with the late totals, if the chain of custody of the ballots was aslwys secured and the ballot boxes have tamper proof seals ( cheap safety measure) etc...and if the stats in this town match with similar towns, if the change from primary in this town is similar to others, than fine. But how many votes were cast on machines, and how do recount those? If this official was a Dem and had a similar record and committed a similar error I would have same opinion. I have pointed out suspected election fraud that benefited Dems to my Repub friends several times, they can vouch for me. These are our elections, as far as I'm concerned, they are sacred and the most important thing we've got. We should never easily yield to blind confidence in insiders but always be skeptical and vigilant, checks and balances and public oversight are the only ways to make sure we the people are truly in charge.

I can't be an apologist for a system that shocks.

Arithmetic is not that shocking, even to fifth graders.

Incompetence is the bothersome thing here, the old "you are doin a heckuva job Brownie" routine, when in fact a horrible job is being done if no one knows reality until the fracking lady sings like a shock jock.

Anonymous to the rescue?

Karen -

"Absentee ballots can be manufactured and stuff much more easily than ballots from people voting in precinct."

The normal process for absentees here is that they are sent out to the individual precincts still sealed up in their envelops. The poll workers at the individual precincts verify that the person mailing in the absentee ballot lives in the precinct, and only then is the envelop opened. It is then given an in-sequence ballot number, just as if it were a 'normal' ballot, and fed into the scanner/tabulator by one of the poll workers.

For someone to "stuff" a scanner/tabulator with fraudulent absentees, they'd have many of the same problems to overcome. The info stored in the scanner/tabulators would have to again be 'faked' to show the extra ballots were processed during election day, the extra 10K (or whatever number) would have to be distributed across multiple scanner/tabulators to not raise suspicions; 10K extra absentee ballot envelops would have to be created, filled out, signed, post marked; when the absentees are delivered to the precinct, they come with 'chain of custody' documents, signed by city clerks and then by poll workers, so false 'chain of custody' documents would have to be created.

Faking absentees creates as many problems for the election-stealer as it solves, and maybe more.

WAIT. Hold on. MS-Access is not a certified voting technology. Not anywhere that I'm aware of. It's ridiculously tamper-friendly.

Forget about whether MS-Access "saved" or not. What the hell is she doing storing votes in Access in the first place?

http://www.waukeshacount...102_official_results.pdf

Here are my questions about the questionable votes out of Brookfield:

The state average turnout was 33%, but in Brookfield it looks like 50% turn out. Expected turnout was 20%. Did Brookfield 'run out' of paper ballots and were electronic ballots then used, and if so, how many?

The Supreme Court election received more total votes in Brookfield than any other ballot issue. Is that plausible?

Prosser received MORE votes than any other candidate in any other election on the ballot in Brookfield that day, and Kloppenburg received FEWER votes than any other candidate in any other election on the ballot in Brookfield that day. Is that combination plausible?

if i am reading the state manuel correctly klopp can ask for a recount for 5 bucks a precinct

If more than 1,000 votes are cast:
No fee is required if the difference in the total votes cast between the leading candidate and those cast for the petitioner or between the affirmative and negative votes cast at a referendum is no more than one half of one percent (.5%). If the difference is more than .5% but not more than 2%, the fee is $5 per ward. If the difference is more than 2%, the petitioner must pay the actual cost of
3 The fee must be paid in cash or in another form of payment acceptable to the filing officer. Wis. Stat. § 9.01(1)(ag)3.
4 In an election in which more than one office of the same type is to be filled from the same territory, the total votes cast for the office is determined by dividing the total number of votes cast for the office by the number of offices to be filled. The difference between the total votes cast for the leading candidate and the petitioner is divided by the total votes cast for the office to calculate the percentage difference to determine the applicable fee, if any. Wis. Stat. § 9.01(1)(ag)5.
5 The fee of $5 per ward is calculated based on the number of wards recounted.

the link at 30 is from the nov election but i wanted it whr i could find it easily for reference....on pages 30 and 31 there is an interesting "tag"...2 lil known candidates for gov recieve 9 votes each 13 outta 14 precincts in row..take a min to look,its really out of place

"Did Brookfield 'run out' of paper ballots and were electronic ballots then used, and if so, how many?"

I don't know for certain what she was referring to when she said 'touchscreen. That said, in Madison there is a 'handicapped/foreign language' machine over in the corner that almost nobody uses. It has a touchscreen (along with headphones for foreign language assistance), which can be used to 'create' a ballot.

You use the touchscreen to indicate who you want to vote for, and when you're ready, you hit 'print' and it prints out a ballot that is just like the 'normal' ballots in size, layout etc. That printed-out ballot is then fed into the same scanner/tabulator that all the 'normal' ballots go into.

(There is also a memory card in that device which is put into secured and numbered envelopes and sent 'downtown' with all the other materials.)

I don't know if she was referring to that kind of device or to a true no-paper touchscreen.

i hope klopp calls for a recount,even with the sudden discovery of 14000 votes for prosser,she only needs less than 2 votes a precinct to shift

those could easily be in milwaukee(altho an open honest democracy would demand the entire state be hand counted in public)

i bugs me to even say ask for a "recount" as nothing has been counted by any human yet..

An article from The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal with lots of numbers and comparisons between Brookfield/Waukesha and other cities and counties.

http://www.jsonline.com/...logs/news/119476004.html

Who stores votes on a personal computer in their personal office?!! This woman at a minimum should be flat out fired and her computer should be audited to see what happened and when these votes were captured. A "save error"? What?!!!

ok whr r the precinct by precinct results for waukesha for april election?

http://www.waukeshacount...cial_results_summary.pdf

http://www.waukeshacount.../defaultwc.aspx?id=38066

the web site (2nd link) calls the results official but the 1st link says unofficial and its a 2 page summary whr they only show 1 page

as you can see from the link i posted at 30,she has always posted precinct by precinct before

Some relevant links (not sure if they've been put up already or not...)

http://onewisconsinnow.p...=16641&em_id=12541.0 Contact: Robert Doeckel Phone: 608-217-0194

Election Returns: What Went On in Waukesha? After Hours of Silence, Embattled Clerk Reports Wildly-High Turnout in Prosser’s Top County

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COUNTY CLERK CANDIDATE PART OF STATE CAUCUS INVESTIGATION WAUKESHA POLITICIAN, A FORMER STATE WORKER, GRANTED IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION IN CASE.

Publication:The Wisconsin State Journal (Madison, WI) Publish date:June 4, 2002 Copyright

Byline: Associated Press

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-86730728.html

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Scandal in Fitzwalkerstan: Federal probe, full recount required in high court race Cap Times editorial

http://host.madison.com/...a-9fa2-cb4e5bf8e668.html

Brad - I just had a chance to listen to the audio from last night, and there was a woman who asked why nobody noticed that Brookfield was reporting zero while all the other town showed numbers on TV, etc.

The answer (probably) is that precincts in Brookfield would report their results to both the Brookfield City Clerk and to the Waukesha County Clerk. So if Milwaukee TV et al. were getting Brookfield results from the Brookfield City Clerk's office, they would be the (preliminarily) correct non-zero totals, and look just like anybody else's results. It was only when the Brookfield reported results were combined with all the others in the now infamous spreadsheet at the County level that they ended up being zeroed out.

Here is how Kathy could have easily created the additional 14,000 votes ... especially considering how Waukesha in particular reports its results as a cumulative total for all areas. And considering she has all the tabulating software on her personal computer. All it takes is a simple program to do it. Votes come in and say you want to leave yourself the option of creating more votes later ... if need be. You pick one ward ... like say Brookline. The program has all of those votes be dispersed evenly to all the other 197 wards. Those wards end up with an extra 70 votes which isn't much in the scope and certainly would not be identified unless there was a hand-recount. Now you have left yourself with the option of having one ward out of the total 198 having no votes. Presto!! You can later say, it was pure simple human error because how could their be no votes for this ward? If it turns out to be an easy victory the votes are placed back in the Brookline ward because they aren't needed. Opinons?? Could this work?? Waukesha seems to provide very little detail on the votes accumulating in the specific precincts / wards on election night. That seems to easily open up the potential to shift votes between precincts / wards.

You are all pissed off about Wisconsin but where were you in 2004? How many of you believed that Bush won faitly in 2004? How many of you still believe it?

Come to think of it, what does Kerry think?

Here's the one-page spreadsheet proof that Bush stole it. He needed 110% turnout of returning Bush 2000 voters!

https://spreadsheets.goo...EzC1Ccb7FsEN-EgZhQ#gid=0

Stealing elections is old news. What did you all expect? I predicted on Brad's chat the other night that this exact scenario would take place. Tight race? Bullshit.

But WI is not the BIG news. THIS is the big news - but you don't know it. Because just like Election Fraud, there is a lockdown on 9/11.

How many of you have heard of April Gallop?
http://bigdanblogger.blo...g-news-april-5-2011.html

April is suing Chenet et al for the INSIDE JOB! But guess who the judge is: JOHN WALKER, GWB's COUSIN!

Jesse Ventura knows April. He interviwed her for his Pentagon special on Tru TV. April is a military officer who worked at the Pentagon right next door to where the EXPLOSION took place(yes, I said EXPLOSION)on 9/11.

And she insists there was NO PLANE. In fact, she stepped out of that small hole the PHANTOM Boeing 757 supposedly made. One final point: THERE IS NIO VIDEO-NADA-OF A PLANE HITTING THE PENTAGON. JUST A FEW FRAMES WHICH SHOW...AN EXPLOSION, NOTHING MORE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Q

ok, now you can all go back to talking about Wisconsin - as if its news. And don't bother to check out CNN or Rachel tonight to hear about April Gallop.

You want see a damn thing about her story, although I'm sure you'll hear all about Bohner, and Palin, and Rush, and Beck... and Murdoch...and all that other DRECK.
Mums the word...

I see the repiggy trolls have migrated here to squeal a bit.

e Voting is, on its face, unconstitutional.

Anyone who believes that after 1,400,000+ votes were cast that the outcome would be a diff of 200 - well, I have a condo in Ohio I've been trying to get rid of..

Of course its all a joke. Fascism always starts out that way.

Clearly this is fraud!

The right wingers know that in actuality ZERO voters showed up to vote on Tuesday. NONE.

The city of Brookfield is not even a real city. It is a parking lot owned by Halliburton and...DAVID PROSSER.

They even put up a fake city web site to make the world think it is a real city with real residents and real voters.

The even hacked into Google Maps to put it on the map with a city hall and everything!

This is obviously fraud.

LET'S DESTROY THIS POOR WOMAN! MAKE HER CRY!

One thing I saw on DailyKos in the comments was that there are apparently different precincts for different elections in WI; some are only active for presidential elections. That's where the "votes" could be stored. If the GOP is really interested in fairness, OPEN THE BOOKS AND LOOK AT THE BALLOTS. Line up the names to the registrar lists. What does the GOP have to hide???? If they've got nothing to hide, they should have no reason to oppose this action.

Now we could go back and forth all day but this was not voter fraud this was a clerical error with the votes. There is a big difference so sorry your “Walker referendum failed” so now hush little Libby's please don’t cry!

if Repubs want Dems to shut up, they should say what I always say, lets recount in the public and prove the crazy conspirarcies false, we did it in MN for Franken and Coleman....why not in WI, when its done, Repubs can say "see". Recounts are always a good idea for anything that is remotely a close race

http://www.dailykos.com/...one-that-is-Very-Stupid-

HEY! I just found 8500 lost votes on my computer and they were all for Joanne Kloppenburg!

I've come to the conclusion that we've completely lost our country to the fascists. It is time to move to Canada.

Kathy Nickolaus: "This was human error, which I apologize for."

The "human error" lies in the decision to permit the counting by computer in a manner that prevents transparency.

To all you Holier than thou right wingers...
If the miraculous votes were found to favor the Democratic ideal... you would be screaming you hypocritical head off and you know it!

You all are like Machiavelli who believed that anything is fair in politics and war as long as winning is the outcome.

You disgust me!

This stinks to high heaven. Looks like Wisconsin has its own Katherine Harris.

Well maybe this time someone will get wise to the GOP, too bad it is a woman that will take the fall for the bastards!

Thanks to this site, I picked up on massive vote rigging via hackable machines leading up to elections 2004 and 2006. After doing quite a bit of independent research, it became obvious that all electronic vote machines can be easily hacked. Votes can be internally reassigned regardless of whether ballots are there or not and regardless of whether a machine says x for 1 candidate and y for another at the time the vote is cast. It happened in several states in those elections, where in each instance when the discrepancies were found they were written off as merely "machine error." I'm not citing sources since this site's archives have more than enough articles illustrating how machines and servers can be easily hacked with few if any traces left. Anyone wanting to know more can find out via any number of search engines by entering "hacking electronic vote machines."

Until we get verifiable voting with no possibility of electronic vote flipping altering totals, we're at the mercy of those who control the machines.

OK the system stinks. Here's the only solution I can think pof for this situation. Count all the ballots available for that town by hand. If they don't match up move on to the county, and then the entire state if necessary.

I don't know how many "paper" ballots are available to count in Wisconsinn, and I wonder if anyone can tell us where they are now, and in who's custody. Without a secure chain of custody we will never know who won - ever.

Heh. I'm guessing this is a liberal blog. Those are the only places where people are considered 'controversial' simply because you dislike what they say.

Oh, that's rich, Kevin. Ignore the fact-based content of hundreds of carefully-researched, election-integrity articles, some of which have raised the identical election integrity issues in elections where the prevailing candidate had a (D) instead of an (R) at the end of their name, and dismiss it all with the ideological label --- "liberal blog."

I guess it is too much to ask people to remove their ideological blinders long enough to understand that election integrity is not about Left or Right. It's about right and wrong.

From Los Angeles Times, Wisconsin to review discovery of votes:

Two things I take away from this video. One, she was not comfortable with the information she presented. I understand it's common for assistants or subject matter experts to data for presentation, but it struck me that she was not in command of the data. She was hesitant and stumbling and her voice was shaking. That doesn't prove anything, I just find that interesting. Second, I'm so impressed with the reporters at that press conference. Real journalists were asking tough questions. What a shock that is!

ALERT!!
Kathleen Nickolaus's computer has NOT YET BEEN SEIZED! We need to demand that the computer be seized immediately, as per Dr. Robert Kraig, of Citizen's Action for Wisconsin. We have just spoken with Dr. Kraig!
CONTACT HERB KOHL - WHETHER YOU LIVE IN WISCONSIN OR NOT! Demand that the computer be seized immediately and impounded....See More
Contact Senator Kohl
kohl.senate.gov
Contact Senator Kohl

Thanks, Brenda! Will do.
Here's a better link:

http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Just an open form letter, needs a WI zip code to complete, so it's better to call his office:

Washington Office
330 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-5653
Fax: (202) 224-9787

Madison Office
14 W. Mifflin St., Suite 207
Madison, WI 53703
(608) 264-5338
Fax: (608) 264-5473

Milwaukee Office
310 W. Wisconsin Ave., Suite 950
Milwaukee, WI 53203
(414) 297-4451
Fax: (414) 297-4455
1-800-247-5645 Wisconsin Residents