READER COMMENTS ON
"NY TIMES: Bush Domestic Spy Plans Implemented BEFORE 9/11"
(34 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Pat
said on 12/16/2007 @ 6:35 pm PT...
And still there are some who refuse to see the pattern before them...it is called Cognitive Dissonance. If it was a snake, it would have bit you.
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Big Dan
said on 12/16/2007 @ 6:41 pm PT...
Yeah! And then he needed a "Pearl-Harbor"-like event for an excuse! Luckily, 9/11 happened! Gee, that was REALLY lucky, wasn't it? Like a billion-to-one!!!
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Big Dan
said on 12/16/2007 @ 6:43 pm PT...
I believe the Bush govt's 9/11 story...and I also believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus!
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GWN
said on 12/16/2007 @ 7:12 pm PT...
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 12/16/2007 @ 7:56 pm PT...
... after they cart the cat lady away for the last time and all the termites, cockroaches and bedbugs have gone ... cuzz the house blanc reeks So bad from the prevalence urine, feces and vomit ... one would spoze it's time to take the house down ? ? ?
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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the_zapkitty
said on 12/16/2007 @ 11:42 pm PT...
Tomorrow Senior Capitulator Harry Reid will move to give the telcos, and through them Bush et al, total immunity for their crimes.
Senator Chris Dodd has vowed to filibuster... a real stand up and talk nonstop filibuster... to stop this.
Call your Senators and tell them to support Dodd.
Biden, Obama and Clinton promised to support such a filibuster. Call them and tell them to get their asses out of their focus group meetings and back to D.C. to keep their word.
We need 49 Senators to break the immunity provision or drop the bill entirely and let the old FISA stand.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 12/16/2007 @ 11:58 pm PT...
Yes, Zap, and Crooks and Liars has had a post tacked on top all afternoon and evening for people to make suggestions for things he can read while filibustering. I nominated The End of America by Naomi Wolf. There were something like 500 comments there last time I looked.
Plus the guy on the House Judiciary Committee who's hollering for the articles of impeachment to be brought up has passed his target for signatures and they say they're still coming in at the rate of one every few seconds....
It's getting clearer and clearer that America wants this immunity and FISA finagling stopped, and Fudd and * impeached. I think if I have to endure Pelosi or Conyers keeping that table from being set much longer I'm gonna blow.
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ccokz
said on 12/17/2007 @ 12:36 am PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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*J*
said on 12/17/2007 @ 2:35 am PT...
Yet another classic case of Problem-Reaction-Solution, yet they couldn't even get the running order correct. Or maybe there's such a vast network of hastily, sloppily conceived and executed Problem-Reaction-Solutions being dropped on us from all sides, that they all just form a muddy network, with stray 'reactions' and 'solutions' jutting out higgledy-piggledy from the media thicket.
Too much metaphor for you? Well, consider this: The inability of the average American to process, analyze and make abstractions from the information they read is what got us into this in the first place. Cognitive dissonance, indeed. Have you ever seen the fnords?
9/11 was part of the Neo-Con agenda. If you don't understand that yet, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. As someone who's been there, trust me: your ego will recover.
Keep an eye on www.wearechange.org
*J*
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 12/17/2007 @ 4:33 am PT...
Not very hard to believe since the "Pat-riot Act" was written (years?) ahead of time, and Hopsicker connecting the flight schools to cocaine trafficking under spooky elements.
The one that gets me recently is that no one brought up that shooting in Colorado...that was YWAM...another spooky outfit with ties to the Bushs.
What the fuk do they do at that YWAM school?, take a bunch of impressionable kids and make little Manchurian Candidates out of them and one just happened to snap?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/17/2007 @ 5:11 am PT...
The world is so impressed with preznit blush, except that the impression is negative. Only the brain dead neoCons still worship at his feet.
Even the one who preznit blush, after "looking deep into his soul", said was a good guy (meaning bushie believer) does not toe the line:
The Russian company building the Bushehr plant, Atomstroiexport, said the delivery of the enriched uranium fuel began on Sunday.
The head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, later confirmed that the first delivery had arrived, according to Iran's state-run Irna news agency.
Enriched uranium is used as fuel in nuclear power stations. When it is more highly enriched, it can be used to make nuclear weapons.
(Russia ships nuclear fuel to Iran, BBC, emphasis added). The "Bushehr" (bushie hour) name for the plant is too funny.
Remember prezinit blush's "indepth analysis" of Putin's soul, and that preznit blush christened him Saint "Pootie Poot", thinking surely that Putin was a true believer.
But it was simply another one of preznit blush's observations made without taking the covers off of the binoculars before looking thru them.
Hail to the thief of Bullshitistan.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 12/17/2007 @ 5:34 am PT...
Who would be next in line if pelosi were to be impeached first? She's the real finger in the dike!
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Dredd
said on 12/17/2007 @ 6:19 am PT...
Ancient #12
Since the bulk of the democrats seem to be clamoring to become demoCons, it would most likely be someone pleasing the bushies:
The White House said Monday it was encouraged by concessions made by Democrats over the weekend as they crafted a $500 billion-plus catchall spending bill. The year-end measure mostly sticks within President Bush's budget ...
(Yahoo News, emphasis added). There were only three souls who voted against the measure to "authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities", who were: Byrd (D-WV), Feingold (D-WI), and Sanders (I-VT).
Those who did not give a rats ass enough to vote, and failed to vote were: Biden (D-DE), Boxer (D-CA), Clinton (D-NY), Dodd (D-CT), Inouye (D-HI), Obama (D-IL), and McCain (R-AZ).
Not to be outdone by the demoCons, neoCon meister Lieberman endorsed war monger McCain for preznit the next:
Lieberman ... said he chose his longtime Senate colleague because he has the best shot of breaking partisan gridlock in Washington. Both men also support the war in Iraq.
(Lieberman Endorses McCain, emphasis added). This "don't shit where you eat" scenario fits well with Dorothy's statement "Things are getting curiouser and curiouser Toto".
Eat shit demoCons, it is not just for breakfast any more.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/17/2007 @ 6:37 am PT...
Scarified but good reading material for those who eschew fear of the truth about why spying on Americans takes place by preznit blush and the bushie criminal gang.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 12/17/2007 @ 6:46 am PT...
Ancient #12 - She's the real finger in the dike! I didn't know she swung both ways . . .
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 12/17/2007 @ 7:59 am PT...
JOJ, I wondered after I posted if someone might see it that way. Maybe that's what they have on her and I stumbled on it coincidentally!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 12/17/2007 @ 8:55 am PT...
You know how I see it right now Dredd, all the shit that's going on NOW is from failure to impeach. All that is coming out about past actions is all the more reason to impeach. I mean really, I could give a flying fuck what lie-berman thinks, but it fills space in people's heads that should be fill with info about Don Seigelman and more "what house" crime connections. I don't give the treading water crap the time of day. We wouldn't have half the fucked up legislation if impeachment were pursued when dems got in back in 06.We would probably know what really happened on 9/11 and have no need for all this circus Constitution stripping, and pelosi is directly responsible for that.
The info on telecom imunity, 2001 domestic spying, and torture tapes continue to make the case for impeachment stronger. I'm tired of the foolish dem agenda setting. Anything that doesn't push us toward impeachment can wait. At this point nancy pelosi should step down or be impeached herself for not doing what the majority of people want and taking the quickest way to the truth on all scores.
Thanks in advance for letting me blow steam and say things you already know.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 12/17/2007 @ 9:01 am PT...
How long is it going to take before the pressure to impeach Trifecta Boy and his Accomplices (good name for a punk band) reaches the tipping point? This is going to get really ugly, really fast, as the CMSM scramble to obfuscate, and the Boils that Be mount their defense! We have similar sociopathic miscreants in power over here in the Czech Republic, but fortunately they are relatively powerless - the danger is that the US model will spread like a cancer across the face of our Fair Earth, and that life as we know it will cease to exist for the sake of the greed of the inbred wealthy. When are we going to do something, instead of just talking about it? The time has come for the White House to be officially declared a teardown!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Off the Grid
said on 12/17/2007 @ 12:43 pm PT...
I fully support impeachment (now that's a *ucking understatement)...problem is my "Blue Dog" enabler of a Congressman doesn't!(complete with a nice little ticker that lets me know what my share of the National Debt is)! Until the people get rid of Pelosi and the rest of the enablers nothing will change(except the value of the dollar).
What's got me thinkin' is none of the top Demcrap Presidential Condidates is calling for out and out impeachment. The only thing they want is the ball to keep rolling forward-->fascism.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 12/17/2007 @ 2:30 pm PT...
The revolution begins here.
Hear??? The musical revolution begins here at Brad blog. The band i am part of has just completed the music for our upcoming CD and we plan to start a musical movement to stop the murderous, destructive, and treasonous bush/cheney criminal parasites and their 1% corporate enablers.
Bradblog has featured other musical artists that didn't exactly catch the ear of the American people with enough anger, strong enough musical/message, and or sense of urgency to inspire a movement for the removal of these bastards from power to their new home that will be LIFE IN PRISON. In fact most songs on the disc are not political. We have lead singers however i only really handle the lead vocals on the political numbers. Many deal with OUR environmental crisis because we can still do something about it if we all pull together as a team. i will be contacting Brad about a side ad for our limited edition CD prior to the manufacturing of the final called Shredders of the People.
Your voice is your vote and these bastards and their evoting machines have successfully eliminated the voice the American people from the equation. Mark my words, Sh*ts gonna change in 2008 and these lying criminal bastards and the doucebag thor hearns of the world are going down.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 12/17/2007 @ 3:52 pm PT...
My neck hurts, my head hurts, my stomach hurts, I'm nauseated, been watching cspan 2. I don't blame AT&T. Although they shouldn't get immunity, I also am not saying they should be guilty. But this is nuts, this is the executive branch's doing, as far as we know they could have controlled modems reporting data during elections. They could use information gathered on political opponents. They sure haven't used it to catch OBL. With all this snooping you'd figure they'd have all the terrorists rounded up by now.
Think about it fiber optic T's. (Maybe a good name for Grizzly Bear Dancer's band), "The Fiber Optic T's and room 614a."
There has to be non-partisan oversight of these fiber optic splitters. There just has to. There also needs to be some kind of reporting on what has been found so far. (Within common sense reason) Then again, If it's so damn secret then take action and eliminate the threat, but we need to know that this is actually being used for what they say it is, and at this point we can not trust what we are told.
Bombs and war are not frigging secrets. If they crack a case, we should see results, it shouldn't be secret anymore.
We have to fight, there's nowhere to run anymore.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Linda
said on 12/17/2007 @ 4:08 pm PT...
No offense to any of the reporting on this particular story, but this is old news. I've been reading about the pre-9/11 spying for quite awhile now, the most recent time being not so long ago in TomPaine.com. The entire Bush/Cheney administration was so busy setting up this spying program, that it's very likely their attention to it was one of the reasons they were dismissive of the pre-9/11 intelligence. They were busy little bees back then, working long into the night to lay the groundwork for the unraveling of our constitutional rights. They didn't have time back then to be careful about national security.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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mick
said on 12/17/2007 @ 10:27 pm PT...
pre-9/11 spying was to catch out anybody with inside information on the upcoming 911 attack so they could be eliminated before they warned anybody
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 12/17/2007 @ 10:32 pm PT...
I dunno, Linda, I think they not only knew about the events of 9/11 beforehand, I firmly believe they ARRANGED the events of that terrible day and then played the whole world like a symphony (emphasis on the phony) orchestra. They were far from distracted in the lead-up to that day, they were zeroed in. Trifecta Boy and the Big Dick are as guilty as sin, and they need to be impeached, imprisoned, and then executed for high treason. Anything less will just prolong the agony they are inflicting on our Fair Earth.89
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 12/18/2007 @ 4:15 am PT...
CZARAGORN, I agree with you, but your giving too much credit to the shooter and bubble boy.
I think the Sauds, Israel (AIPAC), and Turkey (ATC) deserve an equal amount of our love too
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Dredd
said on 12/18/2007 @ 4:21 am PT...
Off The Grid #19:
What's got me thinkin' is none of the top Demcrap Presidential Condidates is calling for out and out impeachment.
Well Kuchinich has advocated impeachment of Cheney first, and introduced legislation to that effect months ago. Biden vowed to impeach if preznit blush invades Iran.
But to back your point, the half-baked impeachment talk to date is simply not serious enough.
There should be a firestorm of historical proportion to impeach these fascist bastards all at once ... a la Nuremburg.
And the trials should be held at the Crawford ranch.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 12/18/2007 @ 4:47 am PT...
I agree Dredd, but the Candidates CANNOT look too partisan before an election, especially when they're trying (I think falsely) to lure the swing voters.
What makes their analogy so fuked up is it makes them look cowardly to us and the swingers that already have come back into the Dem fold and it sets them up for the Republican smear machine to say they're weak.
That is why it is so hard for a Senator to run and play the fence, and a Governor so easy IMO
Will they ever figure that out, I don't know ?
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/18/2007 @ 5:23 am PT...
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 12/18/2007 @ 5:46 am PT...
...or maybe we're too far ahead of the curve and they are just getting all of their shit together to hammer them closer to election time...I hope
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Off the Grid
said on 12/18/2007 @ 7:13 am PT...
I'd vote for Kuchinich...as an independent. Any real leader in this day and age in what's left of America must distance themselves from both political parties to win back the people that simply don't vote because it's all the same shit flavor candidate. I never really liked the dems for one reason, they are spineless(where's Gore?), but after the '06 election I've written them off completely. Biden impeaching after invasion of Iran...give that man a noose, he's worthless.
This is a fight and if you want to win you better start swinging and biting.
#26-
There should be a firestorm of historical proportion to impeach these fascist bastards all at once ... a la Nuremburg.
And the trials should be held at the Crawford ranch.
FUCKIN' A RIGHT! ...are you listening Matheson you god-damn punter?
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 12/18/2007 @ 7:36 am PT...
I hear ya, Floridiot! But I think we'll be in a better position to deal with the miscreants you named once we've had our much-needed regime change and catharsis via execution. And Dredd, I highly approve of the "Crawford Trials." Who knows, the US just might regain some of its squandered credibility in the world (although heaven knows the US may not have deserved such credibility, once the record is submitted to thorough scrutiny)...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 12/18/2007 @ 9:14 am PT...
Something I've noticed at other blogs with good info are the number of commentors who seem to believe impeachment is a lost cause. Don't those people know you don't get what you won't fight for. I mean, they said DRE bans were impossible and look at that fact evaporating! Its like these people are only half awake. In a power struggle sheer force of will is very contagious, especially when truth is on your side!! Just look at what Dodd did yesterday!!!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Erik
said on 12/18/2007 @ 8:21 pm PT...
So they started spying w/o warrants right after Bullshit was "selected", and they still couldn't stop 9/11, even after a "summer of threat" and repeated briefings on imminent attacks? And Bullshit and Cheney have lied about everything else- but they wouldn't lie about 9/11? Even when they and their CFR handlers stood to gain so much? How many times does your husband have to molest your daughter before you leave him?
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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mick
said on 12/19/2007 @ 8:50 pm PT...
Imagine the phone calls of people like Gary Webb ,Hunter.S.Thompson or Ray Lemme and the results of such intercepts ...
Makes you wonder.