Obviously, Kerry is doing this with tongue in cheek and to make a point. NO ONE could truly expect honor and accountability from these criminals that have taken over the Republican Party.

I'd like to send T Nose Pickens on patrol in Iraq so we could swift camel him

Remember when there was no illegal immigration from 2000->2006 when the Republicans controlled everything? And all the 13 million illegal immigrants came over here this year 2007? Of course you don't! Because it's the new GOP swiftboat issue for the 2008 election! Everyone's wise to gay marriage, flag burning, etc...now the GOP fabricates the "illegal immigration issue" which has been a problem for over 100 years!

It's about time for Kerry to stand up to them.

BD #3, Of course they pick a topic that they'll absolutely do nothing about when elected, cheap labor is their M.O.
They also figured out they can use this to stifle the Latino vote this year too by backlogging registrations

The Department of Homeland Security failed to prepare for a massive influx of applications for U.S. citizenship and other immigration benefits this summer, prompting complaints from Hispanic leaders and voter-mobilization groups that several hundred thousand people may not be granted citizenship in time to cast ballots in the 2008 presidential election.

Link

Happy Turkey Day everybody!!!

T Butt Pickens is what we have for an a administration . . . . . tycoons . . .

Hannity will say anything. I heard him say on his radio show only a few days after the Democratic nominating convention, that nobody who served with Kerry would stand up with him. Of course, Kerry actually had many, if not all of the people who were on his boat with him at the convention--they all stood up for him. The swift-boaters who "served with him" were simply "in the service" at the same time and so only in that sense "with" him.

A caller called in, and said that he had heard that Kerry had shot and killed women and children in Vietnam. Hannity of course said, "yes he did!--he admitted that" or words to that effect, without ever correcting the caller that the shooter of civilians was senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, not candidate for President John Kerry. Anything--no matter how distorted, is "truth" for Hannity, so long as it serves his political agenda. Anyone who is not a complete idiot cannot watch the show, or listen to the radio show without feeling filthy.

But that's Republican Moral Values for you.

Talk about spinning the truth he only wants Kerry to release his service records and prove that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth lied which Kerry can't. You wonder why we conservatives think you liberals drink nothing but kool-aid!!!!!

AlanS -

When you say "you liberals" you're talking about who exactly?

In the meantime, Kerry has already released his service records. Did you miss that part?

Beyond that, Pickens made a specific challenge, Kerry accepted, Pickens reneged. Which part of "conservative" or honorable do you have trouble understanding?

Apparently, moral values --- such as honor --- do not exist for your phony conservatives. If they did, you'd obviously stand up and call Pickens out for his lie. Or you can just continuing to support his worse-than-Clintonian parsing.

a nice new low for the right wing.

surely they have no chance next year...I can't believe it is even a race...if you were to list every scandal, lie, distortion and criminal act republicans have been caught on over the past 2 years right here on this forum the website would crash because there probably isn't enough bandwith to contain it all.
What worries me is you still see that the democratic front runners are still scared of the big mean bullies.
I can't believe Hillary let herself get knocked so hard by the non issue of here answer about the non issue of illegal immigrants. is anyone on the left going to just say out loud "illegal immigration is not an important issue right now. this is another right wing non event aimed to take focus of the fact that right now the country is in dire need of new leadership to try and guide us away from the complete disaster we face as a nation due to the policies implemented by a incompetent administration that has lead us into a war we can't afford financially and morally. illegal immigration is this years gay marriage. really not important while our troops are dying needlessly."

sorry for the rant but it occured to me that their is a presidential race going on and the the republicans still have a chance when they really shouldn't even be in the race.

and as for iraq "turning the corner" deaths are down the past few months sure...but 2007 has been the dealiest year since the war began. don't let them forget that.

sorry for the rant......in a bad mood and this pickens story angers me greatly

Funny stuff, history is gonna have a riot with these reruns.

All the republican / gop values can be expressed in this one line:

"It's all about making a killing and exterminating the opposition."

Hmmm... Sound familiar ? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . . . . . Daylight come and me wan' go home. . .

"Pickens lied! Bush lied! Rice lied! Chaney lied! Rumsfeld lied! General Petraeus lied!"

For goodness sakes ... what is all this sudden leftist indignation about "lying"?

{Ed Note: A big long passage lifted from this piece on Bill Clinton's lies at What Really Happened dot Com was here... very informative... but please read the commenting policy, Rick. Thank you. --99}

Where was the indignation from the left?

So what's with the selective memory, double standards, and one-sided analysis of things by the liberals?

What's with all the one-sided, partisan analysis and commentary here, Mr. Brad, being presented as "truth"?

Yeah, many of the kool aid drinkers will undoubtedly fall back on the "You right wingers just can't shut up about Clinton" line .... or the "That doesn't count anymore" excuse ... or some such similar 'weasel out' phrase ... when in fact, a lie ... is a lie ... is a lie .. and the ones I listed above were plain, simple out-and-out lies, which drrew practically ZERO comment from anyone in the media, and no condemnation from the left. .

'you guys' are worried about what Hannity, an ENTERTAINER says ... but not about what 'your' president said ... or more importantly, not worried about what his spouse is now saying, in her efforts to get the White House back in '08? Why not analyze Hillary's flip flops and lies, in this campaign season approaching us? Why not something that would actually be a service to someone, rather than these pedestrian level sandbox emotional outbursts?

Just wondering ..... not even dreaming of changing anyone's 'mind', but hoping someone will have the integrity to comment honestly.

rick, don't sweat the small stuff, pal... What's a few trillion dollars stolen from the American peoples and a few trillion of wealth shifted to the top 1% not to mention a few million innocent folks killed, maimed and murdered . . . . . Between friends . . .

Personally I like grape kool aid (w)sugar. As for the Circus Freak Show the republikkkan's call candidates the only things missing are the bearded lady and Siamese twins ... at least the gop would have some diversity... Now if you want to get serviced call for an escort.
If your mind hasn't changed by now ... don't worry it probably wont.

Now a few words from the Senator tycoon . . .

LOL @ MarkH: "It's about time for Kerry to stand up to them."

No Mark, that time came and went about 3 years ago. Kerry is part of the system & part of the problem.

LOL even 10X louder at Rick:
"So what's with the selective memory, double standards, and one-sided analysis of things by the liberals?"

OMFG - are you that f'ing braindead from american culture that you can't distinguish between one lie about a blow job and countless the lies that have led to the deaths of millions of innocents; not to mention the financial and moral bankrupting of the USA (torture ok with you? oh yeah, you're still hung up on one blow job), and quite possibly the end of life as we know it (sadly no exaggeration). George piddled while the world burned. And rick is there to cheer him on. bravo, rick. bravo.

OMFG - are you that f'ing braindead from american culture that you can't distinguish between one lie about a blow job and countless the lies that have led to the deaths of millions of innocents;

Personally I like grape kool aid (w)sugar. As for the Circus Freak Show the republikkkan's call candidates the only things missing are the bearded lady and Siamese twins ... at least the gop would have some diversity... Now if you want to get serviced call for an escort.

If your mind hasn't changed by now ... don't worry it probably wont.

Thanks, guys, for the absolutely stimulating intellectual exchange, well-thought-out presentation of facts, and most of all, the time you obviously put into formulating your responses in such a manner so as to present your views in a positive light!

Where, exactly, is the thing Kerry has proven wrong? I read that he has proven something they said wrong, but I never quite get to a bullet-pointed or numbered list of X, Y, Z. Perhaps it's buried somewhere, but I don't see it. It seems to me Kerry should point out: X was a lie. I hardly think it's fair to call Mr. Pickens troop-hating. After all, he supported troops, namely the swift boat vets who --- whatever you think of them --- are veterans every bit as much as Mr. Kerry. Likewise, I don't recall Mr. Pickens ever going before Congress and accusing our troops of heinous war crimes.

perry
FACTS . . . YOU WANT THE FUCKING FACTS ! ! !

Blow smoke up someone elses our arse.

Hmmm... I'll bet your on pickens payroll.

J.O.J. Out.

Silly Rick said:

'you guys' are worried about what Hannity, an ENTERTAINER says ... but not about what 'your' president said ...

By "'your' president" I'll assume you're speaking about Bill Clinton? For the record, didn't vote for him, never would. Why? Because he was a liar. But that's just my own personal opinion.

You, however, seem to be aware of facts that I am not. Like how I feel about things, that I am partisan, etc. etc. No more proof needed for any of those things, than for Bush lying about WMD in Iraq and killing thousands of your fellow citizens.

Not sure how many deaths Clinton's lies caused, but I guess such common sense points are of little interest to you.

Or are you saying that you're now okay with Clinton's lies because Bush, Cheney, Rumseld, Gonzalez, Pickens, Hannity (an "entertainer"?!), etc. etc. are also liars.

Pick a side, Rick. We're at war.

Brad - Honestly didn't mean to violate your rules of posting here. I admit they are pretty generous. Thought I could fit it in under the 'part and parcel' exception.

What's with the "silly" comment though? You try to attack the messenger, instead of the message, maybe?

Are you seriously trying to say you aren't partisan? Give me a break, my friend.

Have you forgotten? Radical muslims killed thousands of my fellow citizens, Brad, on 9/11 .... and the 'war' we are in is against radical islamic terrorists and muslims who'd kill you or I in a heartbeat, and destroy this nation. Until you grasp that 'fact', you'll continue to 'war' against any fellow American who douses the sparks that give rise to the acrid smokescreen being created by the extreme leftists here at home .... who prefer to spout off against things American rather than against the real enemy.

And just for the record ... how many deaths did Clinton's lies cause? Is that the new standard as to what is a lie and what isn't? Causing deaths? Don't leave out the one where he stated he agreed with Bush, for going into Iraq ... which he now has changed, of course, to say he disagreed all along. You were aware of that comment, right? Since Clinton agreed is he responsible for anything in Iraq? Is Clinton responsible for 9/11, since he refused to act against Bin Laden when he had the chance? Maybe Clinton is the one responsible for the whole big mess ...

Still on the "Bush lied" bandwagon huh? Still upset about the 2000 election, too, I'd wager ... Maybe you should take your own advice about realizing we are at war, here. and .. BTW ... Did I just overlook the commentary here about the positive events in Iraq recently? About the reduction in civilian casualties? The fantastic decreases in attacks against our guys and gals serving over there? The returning of refugees? The change of heart by even such "anti-Bush" figures as even John "Abscam" Murtha?
Oh, yeah, he was never indicted, was he? And after all, it's only wrong if you're caught, eh?

Silly? Nah ... a bit crazy perhaps, but not 'silly'. And certainly still sufficiently alert and aware to know where our attention should be focused, and against whom the war really is ... or should be.

Regards

Silly Rick

Oh, yeah, how about that particularly astute and superbly composed post above from JOJ ? Now there's someone with a genuine grasp of the facts.

Oh, Brad ... exactly what DID Kerry prove was a lie?

R