The EAC was shamed into this by the news of Rather putting this report out.
It would have never happened without that.

...and it's cc'd to that other Republican criminal Caroline Coggins

"Our job is to hold the vendors' feet to the fire, but our job is not to build the fire," Coggins said.

Link

How can we find out where Diebold and Sequoia actually manufacture their machines?
Does the state of CA have any no sweatshop clauses for the state to buy things or the counties have it in their laws? Or is it only no slave labor?

This is the EVM neoCon form over substance once again special EAC Form:

I DO SOLEMLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT:

"I can't recall not remembering we had a manufacturing plant in [country name] where the [nationality] people are exploited and virtual slavery conditions exist.

How could I remember such a thing, being a compassionate conservative?

Signed [EVM bushie CEO]"

(Form BS 101, Elitist, Inc., EAC Division).

I wonder how many of the other companies listed along with Pivot International also outsource manufacturing of their machines overseas, as Pivot Int'l did. I suspect most of the others do, too.

It is pretty commonplace these days for many companies to do the same. The corporate management may so take it for granted that it need not be mentioned. Of course, they deliberately want to avoid arousing the ire of American workers and consumers, too, by avoiding disclosing those facts.

I dunno what the EAC means by LOR (Letter Of Reprimand) But when I was in the military, you could get an LOR for a missed dentist appointment. An Article 15 for continuously missed dentist appointments. Putting two and two together, it seems the seriousness of the EAC's LOR to the EVM's are equal to that of a missed dentist appointment.

It also seems that Section 2.3.1.7 of their manual has already been broken, if they have misled the EAC for over thirty days anyway. I ain't got time to play Mr. Tech manuals guy today, but seems that none of these stupid tech manuals would be be necessary if there were not electronic voting machines in the first place. It just adds an extra layer of confusion to everything, while the EVM's don't bother to follow the tech manual anyway. (In the military working on an aircraft we used to have to carry that tech manual with us!) SO both the EAC and the EVM's don't take anything seriously like they claim. At least that's what I got out of all this.

Then my third observation, why are our voting equipment being made in a foreign country? Forget about the sweat shop for a moment--even though that's bad too--and don't tell me that the United States can't dope/make chips, and assemble parts. If someone can swap a whole motherboard out without anyone knowing, and parts being made in a foreign country, who is to say there isn't something logically destructive at the doping level as well. Has anyone bothered to look? I'd argue that would that simply mean that all machines need to be destroyed, in order to be checked for security, all by itself. Which means they shouldn't be used because it's a giant waste of money and a catch 22 with respect to looking at the logic at the doping level.

I won't leave without a possible answer.

Folks that are so disabled that they can not hold a pencil and draw with it on a paper, should be allowed to use ANY existing technology to interface with a printer, and PRINT a ballot that is counted manually (e.g. NOT COUNTED BY A MACHINE) and if if necessary the voter can have someone else help fill out a Paper Ballot for them. The simple fact that folks are disabled should not be a reason to destroy the entire voting process.

While that could be rolled out very quickly the rest of these machines need to be reverse engineered for corrupt logic.

Why common sense does not prevail can only be attributed to corruption within those that control the physical voting systems, policies and procedures.

When will there be a policy or procedure that actually removes someone from office if the votes were not added properly?

In a big problem like this with lots of unknown dilemmas, I like sit back and visualize the earth from space. As long as the earth still orbits the sun. And we have people going into space has anyone bothered to come up with a way for an astronaut to vote from space?

I am not saying all electronics should not be used.

What I am saying is that if your so far disabled that you can not use existing technology to vote then perhaps sadly you should not be voting because the technology does not exist.

Obviously some electronics are needed to print paper ballots. NOT COUNT THEM.

Some electronics are needed for an astronaut to print a paper ballot. NOT COUNT THEM.

Why hasn't someone came up with a separate date for the disabled to cast ballots if being disabled causes such a bottleneck on the day of the election.

Why does there need to be ONE DAY to vote?

Why is there not more security built into paper ballots, we spend all the time and money on protecting the American Dollar from being counterfeit. Why can't the same technology be used on paper ballots.

Really this whole thing comes down to printing technology. And then the security and public oversight of the printed output.

The other half of this is in my opinion the public financing of elections.

No more big money, special interest crap.

That would go a long way to getting the rotten CMSM (corporate main stream media) to actually present debates that actually have meaning instead of the same old questions over and over that have nothing to do with the actual needs of the people and the real state of the United States in 2007...08..09 etc..

If the CMSM can not control these debates then the debates will be more meaningful.

And what's with the electoral votes? Are we basically saying that voting has no meaning itself because electoral votes are all that matter. And when they don't the courts are the only thing that matter.

Courts that I might add have politically questionable people running them now. A judge might be able to say they are non-partisan, but you know damn well that's pure lies.

Phil #7, #8

I wonder if it would be instructive to consider what past empires have done or not done, and the effects voting had or did not have on those empires?

I know that the Inspector General of the GAO has indicated in a very recent report that we are going the way of the Roman Empire, and that the United States may fall and cease to exist as Rome did.

And Stalin was a voting afficionado as we know, and yet his empire fell as well.

Both Rome and Stalinist Russia used paper ballot voting systems, because EVM systems did not yet exist.

Thus, as you seem to allude to, I too think we must consider more than just the inanimate objects in our election system.

We must consider election officials and their honesty as well ... if we want truly democratic elections.

Okay, why is it that 'ol Dan seem like he is talking in measured tones these days (like he's afraid of something)?
Is it because he is afraid of saying something that might be misCONstrued by the Right Wing Noise Machine?
Or is he trying to tell us something else?

If you haven't noticed, watch the clip again.
This isn't the only time either, it's like right out of the Soviets

Is the spy-crazy government spying on the EVM makers by giving the EAC spy satellite info about them ... such as factories in the Phillipines ... or instead are they spying on everyday Americans?

Check this:

The U.S.'s top intelligence official has greatly expanded the range of federal and local authorities who can get access to information from the nation's vast network of spy satellites in the U.S.

The decision, made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, places for the first time some of the U.S.'s most powerful intelligence-gathering tools at the disposal of domestic security officials. The move was authorized in a May 25 memo sent to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff...

(WSJ, emphasis added). There must be some strange things going on behind the scenes, because think of what they are not telling us about the spy work they are doing.

Floridiot #10

I did not see your post because I had not refreshed yet. Had I noticed your post I would have included you, not just Phil, in my post #11.

The subject of my post may have something to do with what Rather does not say and why ... and it may also apply to what congress and judges do or do not say and why.

Rove may have left because political strategy is no longer needed in a Stalinist country. The_zapkitty pointed out that Stalin did some really, really good paper ballot elections, so cheer up all, better elections may be on the way!

Big Brother is a republican and he is watching you!

Another angle on e-vote machines, besides stealing elections: they are made in sweatshops with the standards of 3rd-world countries, much like Chinese toys and toothpaste. Thousands of people die in China from rabies, here it's a huge story if one person dies. Our standards are now becoming 3rd world standards, due to globalization and having American corporations making products for more $$$ in 3rd world countries.

This should be a rallying cry for "conservatives" against e-vote machines. But, showing their true colors, it isn't.

Wow.

How dare ES&S not fully discplose their unethical and possibly illegal activities to a group that has refused for years to properly regulate ES&S and hold them accountable.

While I'm outraged, how dare criminals not confess their crimes to their defense lawyers. And how dare gays in the military not tell when they are not asked. And how dare Bush and Gonzales lie to a congress that repeatedly refuses to hold nobody accountable for lying.

This also means that Tony Sabo was factually innocent of the criminal charges he was convicted of in Virginia - destruction of an AVS "voting machine".

We just couldn't get the proof together before trial - and God knows I tried.

Very goddamn interesting.