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"Zogby 'Exit Poll' of San Diego's CA50 Busby/Bilbray Election Suggests 6-Point Distortion in Announced 'Results'"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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oldturk
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:07 pm PT...
This is the new AmeriKKKa,.. by Registrar Mikel Haas.
Elections at the will and to the benefit of Mikel Haas - not the will of the voter - it is too time consuming and cumbersome to be fair,.. honest,.. and within compliance of the law,.. for good old Mikel.
Mikel feels like counting these votes here,.. but not those over there. Less democracy,.. more fascism,.. more despotism,.. that is how Mikel likes to play the game.
Bye-Bye America,.. Hello AmeriKKKa.
Thank You Mr. Haas.
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big dan
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:13 pm PT...
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big dan
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:15 pm PT...
How about my "death penalty" idea? For anyone caught disenfranchizing voters? Anyone thought I was crazy when I suggested it? They will get away with anything they CAN get away with!!!
How many more races across the country did this happen in? Maybe Ford won in Tennessee!!! Can Ford "unconcede"???
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DONNA
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:27 pm PT...
Brad, It's not just Busby... Something not right here in Ohio ! You know how Clint Curtis was asked to make a program so results would be 49/51 ? Well mean Jean, and Pryce (Foleys buddy) aren't decided yet, but show a win for both, and both are winning by what else 49/51. None of the Dem judges or justices made it in Ohio. Is Black Box checking things here? You know Blackwell's not gonna play it straight, people watching or not.
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John Blossom
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:42 pm PT...
Brad,
I am really very confused by all this, are there no laws which can be used to prosecute a corrupt registrar such as this character? Is there no due process?
It seems as if the only thing that will stop this nonsense is litigation. Yet so far, nothing in this instance.
At least in Ohio there's a new sheriff in town that can help to set the game straight again...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 11/10/2006 @ 1:53 pm PT...
Donna - I've got my eyes on the races you mentioned. Have written an article referring to some of those concerns which I was going to run here, but now it looks like it'll run first at ComputerWorld shortly.
There are more than a few such races with such concerns, and as I can get caught up with them and/or have something to add to the reportage on them, I will. Hopefully more soon on all of that.
John - While no legislation at this time, there are several current lawsuits relating to Haas' horrific election administration in general, and these issues in specific. One is from attorney Ken Simpkins (details here), the other is from Simpkins along with Lehto (details here).
Please note there's a new sherrif in this town too. Sec. of State-Elect Debra Bowen! So I suspect things will be changing quite a bit in this state as well very soon! Stay tuned!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 11/10/2006 @ 2:04 pm PT...
I actually helped out with this poll on election day... It was really interesting to see how many people unanimously of all political stripes want government accountability to show their methods of counting votes to the public. I had really only one person take the opposing view, and as a Spanish speaking voter, I wasn't sure whether she fully understood the question or not.
I think one thing to note is that if and when Bilbray and Duncan Hunter here might get indicted and force yet another set of special elections here in San Diego, that this time around I don't think Debra Bowen will stand idly by like Bruce McPherson did. I think there will be hell to pay by Mikel Haas if he tries to play the same games again.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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lisa
said on 11/10/2006 @ 2:36 pm PT...
Hey Brad,
Great job as always in the run-up to this election.
I'm just wondering, are we going to get a full accounting of how the exit polls nationwide compared to the official tallies? I think this is extremely important, because we really still have no idea whether/how the machines worked in terms of accuracy and/or whether they were hacked anywhere. I would hope that the progressives who have been working on this issue will not now become complacent just because some Dems won this time. The machines remain a major threat to our democracy and need to be done away with, completely in my humble opinion.
Also, it is so important to be able to say (if this is the case), that the exit poll data this year conformed to the official tallies. I saw a lof of right-wing commentators immediately before the election talking about how the Exit Polls have been wrong in the last few elections, thus we shouldn't pay much attention to them. We need not only accurate, verifiable elections, but also accurate, verifiable exit poll data.
I hope someone is working on this.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 11/10/2006 @ 2:58 pm PT...
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Prantha Trivedi
said on 11/10/2006 @ 3:41 pm PT...
we should all contact DEBRA BOWEN, OUR NEW SECRETARY OF STATE, and ask her to investigate this!!!
Pran
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Prantha Trivedi
said on 11/10/2006 @ 3:44 pm PT...
The "UPDATE" from San Diego, with "approximatety" 180,0000 uncounted ballots to go:
Bilbray: 95,459 (increased by 3,469)
Busby: 77,695 (increased by 3,687)
King: 3,319 (increased by 144)
Clark: 2,699 (increased by 113)
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Paul Lehto
said on 11/10/2006 @ 3:52 pm PT...
Here in San Diego County, in the 50th Congressional District Busby/Bilbray race, based on the Zogby exit poll we had performed, one of the following two very bad things MUST be true, logically:
(1) EITHER there is a very large discrepancy in the Zogby exit poll vs posted results so far, which means a suspicious election or a defective poll, and 95% of Zogby's polls are within 1% of actual result, OR ELSE
(2) in light of the 180,000 ballots still to be counted in San Diego County, an unknown percentage of which are from the 50th, the race will tighten up considerably over results reported so far, consistent with Zogby exit poll data suggesting that Democrats disproportionately chose paper ballots and Republicans disproportionately chose electronic ballots.(the main point of my press release)
This second option reveals the "SECOND CLASS BALLOTING SYSTEM" where paper balloters are dealt second class service that doesn't get counted or considered by media headines in the days following the election because as a matter of policy counting doesn't even get started until Thursday.
Haas also refuses to hit the "print" button to give precinct breakdowns, nor post the same on the website, so everything gets tossed into the same bucket again, making tracking either difficult or impossible.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 11/10/2006 @ 3:54 pm PT...
3 words for Haas..
FEDERAL JAIL TIME.
Or since our Terminator CA Govenator is such a big fan of killin ze gilty crimanols lets hang the fcker for treason. This should put the fear of God into these criminal obstructors of our election system.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Hank McCann
said on 11/10/2006 @ 3:58 pm PT...
I said it in June and I'll say it again, there is no way to stop Haas unless you sue the bastard. He needs to be hit with several different lawsuits, starting with malfeasance and misfeance of office. Let him hire lawyers to defend himself. Make him pay with his pocketbook.Suit after suit until he either resigns, or gets honest. I don't think he'll ever be honest, so we make him pay in the thousands of dollars to defend his criminal ass and make him resign.
I also think a good felony case can be made against him for violating the rights of all the San Diegans by taking away their right to vote and having their vote counted.
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MarkH
said on 11/10/2006 @ 4:17 pm PT...
I'd love to see the exit polls for all races where it was gathered across America, alongside the final vote tallies. It should make for good fictional reading. And, it might tell us where they were rigging things most.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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oldturk
said on 11/10/2006 @ 4:21 pm PT...
Lisa,.. Comment # 8
The web site GOP.com released this talking point memo on the day of the midterm elections,.. you can be sure it was released then,.. during the election so the MSM had a chance to digest it and get the info out there over the media broadcasting channels and to the public so the exit polls would be disregarded. That way (k.rove and operatives) if the election was close they could manipulate/tamper/rig the election result. Unfortunately for them the election was a landslide for the Demos therefore the election blowout left little chance for rove and team rove rethug bu$$hco to game/distort/contort/fudge/doctor the vote tabulation result.
GOP.com Talking Point Release on election Day.
Ironically enough (now formerly fascist) Ohio and presently fascist Florida have laws on the books to stop the compiling of exit poll data at the voting locations. Other fascist red states will likely enact similar such laws. The exit polling data will be rendered near meaningless by such actions/laws. A big boon for those who desire to game/distort/fudge/doctor/manipulate/contort/rig/tamper with the official count of the vote. The vote count can now be easily massaged,.. without an exit poll result it is nearly impossible to identify an election delivered by an election cheater or election thief.
Here is a stomach churning scenario,.. Ken Mehlman is to exit his position of chair/RNC. Ken Blackwell is not currently gainfully employed,.. I would not be amazed that the RNC/chair slot was filled by Mr. Blackwell.
All of a sudden 2008 does not look like a Demo cake walk,.. but a hellacious mud fight. Demos do not go catatonic,.. these fascists do not/will not all of a sudden play nice. They remain cut throat Nazi/Corporatists who will play increasingly dirty to regain unitary executive powers over American society and her purse strings. Do not snooze. Do not sleep.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/10/2006 @ 5:39 pm PT...
How many times is Jean "51-49" Schmidt going to win elections 51%-49%, until they throw her in the slammer, for Christ's sake???????????
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/10/2006 @ 5:40 pm PT...
IF SCHMIDT WINS 51%-49%, I'M TAKING THE NEXT BUS OUT TO OHIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE FUCK??????????????????????????????????????
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/10/2006 @ 5:48 pm PT...
On the ballot before actually voting, it had "51-Jean Schmidt" instead of "R-Jean Schmidt"...now THAT should've been the "tipoff"...
HEY! Did they have an "moisture" problems in the "bottom of the 9th"??? Like last time??? Or did they install "de-humidifiers" since then, when only her precinct in Ohio experienced moisture problems in Ohio? Remember? Her country had a mysterious moisture problem (indoors to boot) that strangely did not happen anywhere else across the nation that day!
But, they do "mix it up"...I'm sure it's not moisture problems. Much like the GOP New Hamshire "phone jammer" switched to "robocalls" this time around, I think Schmidt's precincts are experiencing some mysterious indoor tornado's and hurricanes...them's da one's that only happen in doors to Jean Schmidt operatives "counting the votes"...any FBI terror alerts, too? While we're at it? WTF!!!
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/10/2006 @ 7:39 pm PT...
MMIIXX #9
I would LOVE to vote there again, but I'm too honest. I assume they still have me on the petition - I signed it 2 years ago. But, there are LOTS MORE TO SIGN NOW!!!
ITMFA!!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Paul Lehto
said on 11/10/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...
Another 70,000 votes "counted" today (Haas apparently knows not the real numbers) with 110,000 still left. The Busby/Bilbray margins has not changed appreciably in terms of percent and has widened to 20,000 roughly from 17,000 roughly due to larger volumes. It is looking more like the exit poll discrepancy prong will be the one that applies, but again, either there will be an exit poll discrepancy OR the margins will narrow appreciably before all is said and done, in line with the Zogby exit poll.
Again, because the paper ballot populations are increasingly disjointed from electronic ballot populations, projections are at best reckless since they were hazardous at best even under the old fashioned circumstances where variations occurred by precinct but not ALSO by form of the ballot....
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/11/2006 @ 1:15 am PT...
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COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/11/2006 @ 6:40 am PT...
Brad said:
Please note there's a new sherrif in this town too. Sec. of State-Elect Debra Bowen! So I suspect things will be changing quite a bit in this state as well very soon! Stay tuned!
Now I know why the Ewoks are dancing in the street! And to help her, Jerry Brown was elected Attorney General.
Get Haas and anyone else left on the death star Debra and Jerry!!!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/11/2006 @ 11:09 am PT...
AGAIN...on Bill Maher, some nutcake actor said, "So where's all the people who said electronic voting machines had problems?" Implying there's no problems, and this is what people in general think who just get their news from the CMSM.
Again, in the newspapers, "olive branch" "work together" "partnership".
"Olive Branch" = CMSM saying, please don't throw GOP criminals in jail and impeach Bush!
I'm calling on all whistleblowers and leakers to come forward to Dem chairs in the new congress and senate...now they don't have to be afraid. I'm predicting HUGE indictments and prosecutions of Republicans when whistleblowers and leakers come forward.
"Olive Branch", where was the "olive branch" the last 6 years???????
TIME TO THROW THE CRIMINALS IN THE SLAMMER! ALL THE SIBEL EDMONDS, COME FORWARD!!!!! THE REPUBLICANS DON'T CONTROL HOUSE AND SENATE CHAIRS ANYMORE!!!
It's going to be huge.......
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 11/11/2006 @ 11:12 am PT...
Daniel Ellsworth said that whitleblowers and leakers now must come forward, with duplication of evidence to the chairs and the media, and then they can't ignore political crimes.
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Kira
said on 11/11/2006 @ 4:26 pm PT...
I believe [just as soon as congress can reverse some of the most harmful damage to the People of the USA including bringing our troops out of Iraq] congress should:
1 - Fully investigate the 2004 sElection - prosecute the guilty to the MAX for any & all criminal activities.
2 - Fully investigate 9/11 - prosecute the guilty to the MAX for any & all criminal activities.
3 - Fully investigate the bush administration - prosecute the guilty to the MAX for any & all criminal activities.
I know the complete list would take several pages. But, essentially, this is what I want for a New Year's Present & I think I'm in the majority.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/11/2006 @ 4:31 pm PT...
Forgot to say --- AND THEN, when those things are done, fully investigate the 2006 elections. AND throw out the treasonous EVMs!!!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Kate Anne
said on 11/11/2006 @ 7:14 pm PT...
I am just pleased that Francine Busby is waiting for the votes to be counted this time. PLEASE, Brad, stay on her to hold to this position. And keep pushing this story.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 11/12/2006 @ 10:21 pm PT...
Big Dan,
One of the first things Democrats should do is to get a TRUE whistleblower protection bill through congress, and not one that hides that they are exempting security whistleblowers from these protections. If made visible, Republicans will be forced to step into line into signing on to it, and Bush will feel forced to sign it himself. Once that's in place, I suspect Waxman and Conyers will get a lot more material to work with in their investigations!
Also, I think Francine probably listened to many of us who on a number of occasions told her that she needed to take more public stands to help all of us who supported her into feeling like our votes were counted properly. I think she took that to heart this time around.
And if Bilbray and Duncan Hunter both get indicted soon with their "delayed" investigations taking effect soon, then look out! I don't think Debra Bowen is going to allow Haas play the same games he's been playing! I predict she comes down him HARD!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Prantha Trivedi
said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:11 pm PT...
This is very strange, if you ask me. (Why would Repubs use paper ballots? Are they ALSO so insecure with e-voting machines that they chose paper ballots, or . . . is there something strange going on with the counting?)
With 110,000 ballots left to go (as of the 10th):
BRIAN P. BILBRAY - 101967 - 53.52%
FRANCINE BUSBY - 82175 - 43.13%
PAUL KING - 3529 - 1.85%
MIRIAM E. CLARK - 2858 - 1.50%
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Prantha Trivedi
said on 11/13/2006 @ 6:44 pm PT...
BUMMER! (HOW COULD THIS BE POSSIBLE???)
With 60,000 left to count:
BRIAN P. BILBRAY - 109861 - 53.42%
FRANCINE BUSBY - 88948 - 43.25%
PAUL KING - 3790 - 1.84%
MIRIAM E. CLARK - 3057 - 1.49%
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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TruthIsAll
said on 11/14/2006 @ 4:35 pm PT...