OK, so San Diego County's Democratic Party Chair, Jess Durfee doesn't look "ignorant" but he still gets the "spineless" title for not demanding an immediate MANUAL COUNT of the ballots and providing some funding towards that end.

He gives the Board of Supervisors (and by proxy, Haas) the easy "out" of saying: "Hmmm, this was horrible. We'll never do that again." And they are off the hook and it's all done and gone.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

They are getting better and better at hiding and covering up their crimes. There will be fewer and fewer opportunities to expose the trickery of electronic vote counting. NOW is the MOMENT to fight hard. CA-50 is the PLACE to FIGHT HARD.

Hearings are SHIT. They are a delaying tactic in a war of attrition where Democracy and fair elections are the stakes.

COUNT THE VOTES NOW!!! PROVE THE COUNT NOW!!!

I wonder what Ernie Hawkins has to say about all this ?

Right you are, Charlie.

June 2, 1784

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance ag ainst arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

http://www.state.nh.us/c...tution/billofrights.html

The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

"San Diego County's Democratic Party Chair, Jess Durfee is joining the growing calls for accountability in the matter, according to this morning's Times by calling for hearings on the matter and new legislation to ban the procedure known as "Sleepovers" where poll workers are given programmed, election-ready, hackable voting machines to store in their homes, cars and garages for days and weeks prior to the election."

I was under the impression, based on my reading here, that the 'sleepover' practice was already a violation of State and Federal law.

Why call for a ban instead of enforcement?

What are the alternatives, and how are the alternatives any more secure? How would the machines get from the secured location to the polling place and what chain of custody issues are in play?

If seals were placed on machines and tabulated locally after the polls closed and before being connected to a central tabulator so that results could be individually tallied if a machine was found to be compromised, how would machines not given to poll workers be any safer?

A question for Brad: Are you at all worried that any new legislation proposed might actually entrench the use of the machines based on a perceived tightening of security protocols?

[Art.] 11. [Elections and Elective Franchises.] All elections are to be free, and every inhabitant of the state of 18 years of age and upwards shall have an equal right to vote in any election. Every person shall be considered an inh abitant for the purposes of voting in the town, ward, or unincorporated place where he has his domicile. No person shall have the right to vote under the constitution of this state who has been convicted of treason, bribery or any willful violation of the election laws of this state or of the United States; but the supreme court may, on notice to the attorney general, restore the privilege to vote to any person who may have forfeited it by conviction of such offenses. The general court shall provide by l aw for voting by qualified voters who at the time of the biennial or state elections, or of the primary elections therefor, or of city elections, or of town elections by official ballot, are absent from the city or town of which they are inhabitants, or w ho by reason of physical disability are unable to vote in person, in the choice of any officer or officers to be elected or upon any question submitted at such election. Voting registration and polling places shall be easily accessible to all persons inc luding disabled and elderly persons who are otherwise qualified to vote in the choice of any officer or officers to be elected or upon any question submitted at such election. The right to vote shall not be denied to any person because of the non-payment of any tax. Every inhabitant of the state, having the proper qualifications, has equal right to be elected into office.

June 2, 1784
Amended 1903 to provide that in order to vote or be eligible for office a person must be able to read the English language and to write.
Amended 19l2 to prohibit those convicted of treason, bribery or willfull violation of the election laws from voting or holding elective office.
Amended 1942 to provide for absentee voting in general elections.
Amended 1956 to provide for absentee voting in primary elections.
Amended 1968 to provide right to vote not denied because of nonpayment of taxes. Also amended in 1968 to delete an obsolete phrase.
Amended 1976 to reduce voting age to 18.
Amended 1984 to provide accessibility to all registration and polling places.

Wrong you are Charlie.

I am getting tired of all this reporting of democrats calling for hand counts in CA-50.

Stop it democrats !!!

I am waiting for BIG NEWS !!!

The first republican in CA-50 to demand a hand count ... wow ... can you hear the pin drop?

The liars and disinfo artists (the official ones) make it out like only republicans are calling for an hand count in CA-50 when the truth is NOT ONE republican official is calling for an hand count.

To them everything is fine because all the de-facto trolls don't like all these democrats calling for a hand count.

I posted this under a different post, but am re-posting here because it is more appropriate here. My fear with the "no sleepovers" tactic is that we are providing a reason/basis for moving away from poll voting to all vote by mail. The "no sleepovers" tactic does not address the real problem which is easily hackable equipment, secret software, secret vote counting and corrupt vendors.

Elizabeth - One step at a time. The E-Voting noose continues to tighten, and as one such matter after another helps publicly expose the pitfalls of e-voting, I suspect many changes will then have to occur. As both Bowen and Yolo County Registar Freddie Oakley have now pointed out: "If we can't deploy them securely, then perhaps we can't use them at all."

Make it Happen asked:

A question for Brad: Are you at all worried that any new legislation proposed might actually entrench the use of the machines based on a perceived tightening of security protocols?

Not really. There are many parallel efforts here to expose the problems with our current paradigms that allow the secret, private, untested software and hardware to be used. I'm convinced all of the debate and scrutiny to all of the above problems will help us move towards something that makes sense and away from the wholly dysfunctional, absolutely insane systems that we now have.

Brad:

Is there a link you could point me to where I could read up on your positions on electronic voting and solutions you or others you support have proposed?

Since the other more generally directed questions haven't been tackled by anyone else could you take a crack at them pending time availability of course.

Having worked the polls for candidates in the past I have found the poll workers some of the most diligent and fair people I've seen in the whole process, it’s the higher ups that scare me.

I'd like to see a good explanation of my questions before I can support the machines being taken from the people I see as trustworthy and held by the sharks.

Thanks in advance.

Dredd #9, are you saying that Roger Hedgecock is not a Republican? I think he might take your comments as an insult!

Make It Happen #12

Are you saying you trust the Republicans with the machines? Are you saying you trust the machines? If we're going to "make it happen" we better not trust anyone with the machines, better not trust the machines.

Obviously, there is a long way to go before we have a fail safe system for administration of voting machines, and fail safe machines.

I'm sorry Winter Patriot where did you get the impression I trust the machines or Republicans?

I think I said I trusted poll workers. I don't however distrust all republicans, just a lot of the elected, and appointed ones. My co-worker is a Republican and so are many of the people we are going to have to convince on this issue.

As for the hostility I keep seeing this issue described as non-partisan and then you as if I trust republicans as if I'm not aloud to.

Here are my questions again.

What are the alternatives, and how are the alternatives any more secure? How would the machines get from the secured location to the polling place and what chain of custody issues are in play?

If seals were placed on machines and tabulated locally after the polls closed and before being connected to a central tabulator so that results could be individually tallied if a machine was found to be compromised, how would machines not given to poll workers be any safer?

A question for Brad: Are you at all worried that any new legislation proposed might actually entrench the use of the machines based on a perceived tightening of security protocols?

Calipendence #13

Is he calling for a hand count in CA-50 or for nuking Tehran? (that is how you tell for sure )

Make It Happen

I think you meant to address me in your post #15. If so, I can say there are many Republicans I personally trust too, just none of them in official capacities right now. I don't trust the machines at all, and this site is covered with reasons why not to. Paper ballots would be a fine alternative until we get this all sorted out.

I also think I recall Brad answering your question somewhere in these threads.

make it happen # 15

I'm sorry Winter Patriot where did you get the impression I trust the machines or Republicans?

Say what? I haven't yet made a comment on this thread, so do you mind telling me what you're talking about?

I don't mean to be snarky --- just asking a question.

Floridiot #2

That post #1 and #3 show that not much is left, but settle for what is right ?

make it happen re #18 Oh never mind. Talk to 99 about this one, ok? Thanks.

I beg your pardon.

I read it wrong it was Agent99, my apologies

40 or 50 of us packed the San Diego Board of Supervisors meeting this morning. Our signs said, "Dump Diebold!"

The Chair of the San Diego Democratic Party, Jess Durfee, the head of San Diego Metro Progressive Democrats of America, Judy Hess, a Democratic Congressional candidate, Jeeni Criscenzo, an award-winning journalist, Miriam Raftery, the voter who had filed for a recount, Diane "Gail" Jacobson, and several others spoke to the Board and at the press conference held afterwards. In the crowd were at least four Green Party members and at least two Republicans.

One person asked me why we weren't in the streets in 2000 and 2004. I explained that some of us were in the streets, but the rest of us were looking to our leaders for guidance and it wasn't forthcoming. It has taken us a while, but we have become the leaders we want. Of this morning's group, perhaps even over fifty people, I didn't see a single follower?leaders all!

We the people are finally realizing who we are. (Psssst! All you elected and appointed office holders, quit slacking off and get back to work --- the boss is here!)

Another press conference is being planned for Friday at the Registrar of Voters office, and everyone is planning to keep coming to Board of Supervisors meetings.

Diane "Gail" Jacobsen, who had filed for a recount and been told by the Registrar to put up a $6,000 deposit before he'd reveal which of the documents he is required by law to supply, he might deign hand over, said, "I won't buy a car sight unseen! First tell me what documents you intend to give me, then I'll give you the deposit."

Right on! We pay these folks' salaries and they don't want to even listen to us, no less represent us or act as civil servants. Well, we're not buying any more unverifiable elections or unresponsive officials.

The eyes of the world are on San Diego. As Judy Hess, one of the organizers said, "We're fighting this battle here, so that we don't have to fight it there?435 Congressional Districts in November."

Another person who was there this morning is an attorney, Lillian Ritt, who is one of the plaintiffs in another lawsuit in California, which might be the one mentioned in another of today's top stories, but I'm not certain of that. When RFK Jr's lawsuit was mentioned, a cheer went up.

The despair is dissipating. Today is a weekday, a workday, and yet we got a crowd. The true sign of a participatory democracy is citizen participation. It is starting to happen here and it is awesome!

We all owe Brad a huge debt of gratitude, and also Mimi Kennedy and everyone else involved in organizing, mobilizing, and inspiring us in this effort. And we owe a lot to the San Diego election integrity activists who have spent years working on this, like Brina-Rae Schuchman, Jim and Shar Hamilton, and many others.

Yesterday I'd gone down to make copies of documents to give to the Board of Supervisors this morning, thinking that I'd be alone, or that only a handful of people would show up as usual. When I got home, an emergency call to action from Judy Hess, asking people to come to the Board meeting, was in my email, and I knew that this time things would be different.

Brad, you rock, man! Not to belittle anyone else involved, but I happen to know for a fact that this could not have happened without Brad's superblog and his superhuman efforts in coming to San Diego, and in constantly emailing, phoning, and working with people here. Thank you!

There is a press conference planned for Friday at the Registrar of Voters office. I think it will be at 11:30 a.m., but I don't have the details yet. And we're hoping to keep packing the Board of Supervisors meetings until they respond to us. Jim and Shar gave the Board a petition with over 800 local signatures. Jim, who has been speaking before the Board on this issue for three years now, said he has never seen them pay this much attention before.

But they are still likely to ignore us unless we are there in force every week and our numbers keep increasing. Board meetings are Tuesday mornings at the County Building, and you have to be there before 9:00 a.m. to fill out a public comment form and get two minutes to speak. Several people, including myself, have already signed up to attend every meeting.

DUMP DIEBOLD!

Mark

I know people are going to wake up to this great news on the east coast and be as happy about this as we are here in California. Thank you so much for this update! Most excellent work. Made my night.

Mark: You are obviously one of the good guys and are working hard to change things, so I'm going to try and be gentle as I give you this small piece of advice.

Drop the "DUMP DIEBOLD" slogan immediately.

It's not the right message. It is two steps too soon and will simply bring out the talking points about how this has all been discussed and debated before. "We have a contract with DieBold, and they have done nothing to give us cause to renig on it. If we do, we will be in violation of our contract." etc. etc.

The issue of the day is "HAND COUNT NOW! VERIFY OUR VOTE." OK, it's a little bit longer than your nice little slogan, but it's more accurate.

After the hand count, if there are "discrepancies" then DUMP DIEBOLD is perfectly appropriate, but let's get there first.

HAND COUNT NOW! VERIFY OUR VOTE!

"All I'm asking the Republicans to do is count every vote!" Howard Dean. WHY IN THE HELL ARE DEMOCRATS ASKING FOR PERMISSION FROM DUMBASS REPUBLICANS TO COUNT OUR VOTES? This is the problem!- The DNC doesn't demand what is rightfully theirs. We don't need their permission TO COUNT VOTES- the Republicans don't own the damn votes. If Dean and the DNC would just grow some balls and storm the castle, maybe they would think we're serious about democracy - The Declaration of Independence gives us the right to take on any government if it stops serving the people. Elizabeth comment #10 - You are completely on target again. As I've said all along - what's next - the Republicans already know the answers to your questions.

Dixiecrat #25

They have control of the presidency, the congress, own the voting machine makers, own the voting machine certification company, and in San Diego Haas is a republican as is the Secretary of State.

In short, all election authority is theirs. And so far they are not honoring our requests for a hand count.

Jim March of BBV who is a republican has tried what you suggested, and was arrested.

We really do have to use the courts in this matter.

Charlie L, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Diebold is in violation of their contract.

They've been selling voting machines that cannot meet California state or federal certification standards.

There's a cute scene in the "Votergate" video where Bev Harris visits the California Attorney General to complain that the Secretary of State has illegally certified voting machines that do not meet certification standards. Turns out the Attorney General isn't representing the people of California in this consumer fraud issue, as one might suppose, but is representing the Secretary of State instead, so he just shrugs and walks away.

This is analogous to the situation in San Diego where our former City Attorney was representing some crooks on the City Council at taxpayer expense. We got rid of the crooks anyway (or at least some of them) and our new City Attorney represents the people of San Diego, so the rest of the Council crooks have had to hire private attorneys. Unfortunately, I believe we're still being charged for that also.

As I understand it, if San Diego dumps Diebold now, we can do so without penalty, but if we use their machines in the next election we're stuck with them, so now is the time.

DUMP DIEBOLD!

Like they don't control the courts too?

MMIIXX - Went to the NH Gov site - all the rights listed are day by day being stolen by Bushco and the PTB's who own him. Would like to read more about the individual States that are passing articles of IMPEACHMENT since Congress is corrupt and/or frightened of the Bush Crime Family and will not fulfill their oath of office with the exception of Rep. McKinney, Hinchey, Conyers, Feingold - Boxer is stumping for Lieberman! WHY??

Where is the story on the now on-going theft of Rep. Cynthia McKinney's votes? Cannonfire had the story but was unclear from the comments if a runoff would be valid since the fraud is so blatant.

Thanks for posting Mark. Good work. I second the WE NEED McKINNY NEWS.

Mark #22
Keep up the good work. Nothing like some real grass roots involvment!

Please accept my apologies for this. I've only had the camcorder for 3 days, I'm having trouble editing, and my computer only had enough memory (I've ordered more) for the first few minutes of the film in a horrible low-resolution version, but here's some video of Friday's rally at the ROV:

The Good Version of Mark's Video.

{Thanks Mark... --99}