All of these MSM people who are starting to catch on need to start screaming this from the highest rooftops! This needs to be front headline news!

I think an article from a professor of law, mainly involving security of computers, is instructive:

"Just a few weeks ago, the federal Veterans Administration (VA) revealed that the Social Security numbers and other personally identifiable information of 26.5 million veterans and their spouses had been compromised, when an employee' s laptop was stolen from his home. This was the reportedly the largest known data breach involving Social Security numbers in U.S. history

...

The class action suit [as a result] demands that the VA fully disclose which military personnel, in particular, were affected by the data theft, and seeks $1,000 in damages - the minimum under the Privacy Act --- per veteran harmed, opening the way for a possible award of up to $26.5 billion total. Though that sum may sound large, it's worth keeping in mind that the data breach will cause significant worry to veterans - who must watch and wait to see if and when they become victims of identity theft, for the VA, as of now, is not providing free credit monitoring."

(link here, bold added).

Chain of custody of sensitive machines and data is required by law. In most cases.

It should be especially required, and in fact is required, as Brad has pointed out ad nauseum, under the applicable law in California (CA-50).

By the way, judging by an article in The New Yorker (5/29, Letter from Washington, page 62) Howard Dean is getting very vocal about the voting machines:

His words were cheered enthusiastically. So was his praise for the absent Richardson, who recently ended electronic touch-screen voting in the state, reverting to a paper-ballot system. Dean got his loudest applause when he suggested that the Republicans were conniving with the manufacturers of electronic voting machines, and he singled out Diebold, a favorite target of bloggers whose rage against the Bush Administration seems limitless.

Seems limitless? IS limitless, with good cause. With limitless un-American and treasonous activities originating in the administration, the only remedy is frogmarching the lot of them to jail.

Oh, sorry, this was at a Union Hall in New Mexico, with a Navajo contingent and some Latinos attending along with the union members.

My daughter's having a sleepover this weekend...and she invited a voting machine.

Brad:
It is important that people realize that it does not require someone to insert a PCMCIA card into the slot on the machines. The election information, including the ballot definitions, are normally loaded via a modem port or similar port.
There are adapters that can be used to connect a USB storage unit to a serial or modem port. With the power on, anything can be downloaded into either the operating system (Windows CE), the firmware, or the software for that particular election. In addition, the memory card with the election already installed can be accessed via the modem or serial port by going through the existing firmware, thus bypassing any "keys".

Lou Dobbs' survey question this evening asked whether electronic voting should be eliminated entirely. 85% of the respondents voted "Yes." Could this mean that people are wising up, I wonder?

Peg C:

These online polls always seem to have the results I would expect as opposed to the MSM. You can't tell me that it's only liberal bloggers who are hitting them. We all know the Freepers are at work too. They always are!

I have to agree with Emily Messner and Steven Levy that poll workers should not be allowed to have the e-vote machines at their home, especially if against the law in their state. I don't care how inconvienent it is for the poll worker to be up early and go to the main county office then polling location to setup the machines. It would be simple to set them up the day before election and have them locked up overnight. If they can't be locked up in the room where they are to be setup for election, then lock them up in a nearby room and setup early in the morning before election places open.

I disagree with many of you on politics, but I have been convinced for a long time now of the need to have these e-vote machines secured (both software and hardware) so that we can trust the election process.

My veteran data may be part of that group that was stolen from the VA employee's home. Hopefully, he is a former VA employee now.

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Brad,
thank-you so much!
I would ask that you ask velvetrevolution to change the word recount to hand count or manual count in the petition. I'm getting people to sign it, but a recount is really NOT what we want. I think the most important part of this "movement" you started is the challenge to the election process itself, as it is right now. not the results. Recounts have been denied over and over as you know, and they charge hundreds of thousands of dollars to make it difficult or impossible. A manual count is what we want. I wrote to velvet twice, but they do not know me, so no response. Please can you ask them to change that one word?
thank-you,
Robin
(then feel free to delete this, I didn't know any other way to email you.)

Robin #10

A hand recount cannot possibly be done ... why?

Because there hasn't been a hand count.

We want the first hand count, not a recount.

The counts were done by compromised machines that were not handled according to law.

Robin #10 -

You can e-mail Brad by clicking on the canceled stamp image in the upper right of the main page.

There is a simple solution:

Paper Ballots, Hand Counted
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted

Please excuse my doing what the bush/neocon nazis have been doing 24/7/365 through their propaganda outlets since they stole the 2000 election; that is repeat something until the listener can never forget it no matter how much they may want to. It is important for every real American to obnoxiously do this with all friends, family, and associates until, 'viola,' we have, you guessed it:
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted

And, interestingly, Repugs will be asking you why you and the rest of the "liberals" DIDN'T support this --- after they finally get on board. Don't you just love how braindead they really are?

Robin - I'll take care of that right away. Yes, it should be been count, not re-count.

For Mike J.: I think you're saying what many of us here have been saying since Nov. 2004, that election fraud isn't a political issue, it's a criminal matter.

You could help the cause even further by explaining this to your philosophical soulmates on the right who troll around here. For 19 months we've been described as "liberals," "losers," "conspiracy theorists," "tin foil hat wearers," "whiners," "two-percenters," "Bush haters," "paranoiacs," and "Kool Aid drinkers."

The Hursti/Soncho test, and the multiple failures of election machinery throughout the country, have proven us right and the trolls wrong. But I haven't seen an apology for the name-calling from even one troll. I did see an apology from one member of Congress, Jan Schakowsky, for having ignored the 2004 fraud.

DIEBOLD ELECTION MACHINES

made by Republicans
for Republicans
"because God Is On Our Side"

I don't think Mike J. gives a damn about the voting machines. It's a tactic used by shills. They say they believe in one thing that makes them look bi-partisan, and then go on to demonize everything else the opposition supports.

If I'm wrong I'm sorry Mike, but you DID seem to be awfully happy to gloat about Busby's Uhh, "loss".

Peg C #7

Peg that sounds really encouraging. Lou and whoever is pulling the strings behind him do seem to be true Allies.

Lou Keep this up and you will help save the entire Western Democratic block.
Then we can all change our minds if and when we wish.

Larry #17,

Well, yeah, I was happy that the Republican won. Gloat? Me? C'mon....

But on the e-vote issue, I'm not "shilling". Sure I want the Republican to win *IF* the candidate follows most Republican issues that I care about. I also want the election to be fair and honest with no fraud on any level.

If that fair and honest election shows that a Democrat won, then so be it. We'll have to to a better job next time. That is what political consultants James Carville and Paul Begalia have said from the Democrat side about the 2004 Presidential election. I just heard Carville on the radio last week.

Consequently, if a fair and honest election shows that a Republican won, then I expect the same from Democrats. Well, I can expect but I don't always see it....

So yes, Larry, you are wrong about my intentions.

Have a nice day!

Mike J.:

So I guess that means that if the exit polls don't match the voting results, you're going to be protesting with me . Or are you going to agree with giant media, saying we should finance and report them in Kiev Russia, but skip and ignore them here?

Tough question, Huh?

Yes, I have heard before many times from you guys about the exit polls. Granted, I have not taken the time (nor have I cared to) read the details about if the "exit polls don't match the voting results".

Ok, ok, if you can find a short report from real media, not partisian blogs or sites like this one, that explains the exit polling difference WITH PROOF, then I will read it and post my thoughts on that story.

What turned me off of vote protests were people in Palm Beach County, FL after the 2000 election that kept yelling, "Re-Vote!", because they could not figure out the ballot they were given even though the instructions were in front of them and on the wall next to the sign that said, "If you incorrectly mark your ballot, you can get a new one from the front desk". They can drive on 8 lanes of I-95 and spot a golfball at 1000 yards in sawgrass and excell at shuffleboard, but they can't understand a ballot designed by a DEMOCRAT and was used in several other counties like Cook County, IL (home of Jessie Jackson). That "butterfly" ballot was used in 17 FL counties in 2000 with 4 of those 17 having problems. The other 13 counties did not have problems.

Giant Media? Oh, you mean ABC and CBS and CNN and NBC and FNC? As well as PBS's News divison? Also the big papers like the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Associated Press, Reuters, etc.?

You mean the major media that constantly bash Republicans and conservatives yet always report news from Democrats as good and worthy?

See here for people who analyze the news reporting:

Media Research Center
Newsbusters

But I'm not the one to convince. My guy won and got the official sanction. Sen.Kerry didn't and he conceeded. Here is a picture of Sen.Kerry watching Pres.Bush give his 2005 inaugration speech. Kerry has a thin smile and a sort of whimscial look like maybe he was thinking, "It could have been me".

Washington Post Inaugural 2005 photos - see photo #15
Democrat Party Seal

C'mon, give the guy another chance, will ya?

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The proof you seek that the exit polls didn't match the voting results comes from the fact that they explained it away by saying the Republicans didn't bother to vote at them. You didn't hear about that?

You get your information from Brent Bozell,(is that a french name)? A least you won't have to worry about running into any bad words or images that might guarantee your right to the freedoms you supposedly fought for in the service.

Be sure to send your money for accurate Kiev exit polls in early, so they don't get the wrong guy!
Be sure to protest against exit polls here so there won't be any problems with failing to explain why they failed!

Dan (typewritergate) Rather is gone!
Bush is a war hero fighter pilot!

We're Number One!
We're Number One!
We're Number One!
USA!
USA!
USA!
USA!

Now, can we (please) get serious.

Larry,
If you really want to get serious, then get off your sarcasm. Please.

No, I didn't hear about that. Didn't bother to vote at them? Again, give me a story link and I'll read it.

Pres.Bush is not a war hero fighter pilot because he did not fly into combat as his squadron was not sent to Vietnam. But his service should not be maligned. Maybe you can fly a fighter jet, but I can't. I did not see combat during my time in the military either. I was transferred from Active duty to Reserve duty on schedule only a month after the 1990 invasion of Kulwait by Iraq. My entire reserve unit was not deployed to the Desert Shield/Storm action, but 2 men in my reserve unit were sent because they had job skills that were needed. There was nobody famous in my reserve unit as far as I know.

You have something against Brent Bozell's group, don't you? Who cares if his name is French? I don't know or care if it is or not. What's your point? The MRC accurately documents liberal bias in the major media, point for point, line by line, in transcript and video. They have been doing this since 1987.

Why are you stuck on Kiev?
How do "bad words or images" guarantee my right to freedom?

I'm sure it was neat to appear on the local TV. I've been on the radio many times, newspaper letter to the editor published many times, and in my BM&C days (before marriage & children) I had a little political website back before "blog" became the buzzword.

When you appeared on TV, you had to be concise and clear. But you are not being too clear here.

Thank you for your time.

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I admit, saying bad words guarantee rights was a stupid way explain my point, but the fact is that Bozell has put a cold chill on free speech by causing huge fines to be imposed on broadcasters and it is a terrible trade-off. Nobody's ever been killed by a word or image and I think Bozell is a scam artist. It's just one more way to get people to fight against non-threats and take the focus away from the very real threats from the Bush crime organization. They are in it for the money and power Mike!

I'll always be stuck on the Kiev incident, because it puts a bright spotlight on the stunning hypocricy of the Republicans and their puppy dog media. But thanks for your service. I do salute you and every other serviceman/woman who gave time for that cause. My father surely saw some things in WWII that I'm glad I never had to.

#23 Mike J.

"President Bush's service....should not be maligned"?

Are you nuts?!

Bush used political pull to avoid serving in a war when it was his turn!
That's not honorable.

He didn't even finish his "service" because he was allowed to leave (according to George himself) to help his daddy campaign for office.
Why are certain parts of his record missing? If the record was "lost"--why are parts of it still there--the parts he wants people to see?
Ain't THAT a co-inky-dink!

His "service" involved learning to fly an airplane that was not used for combat, in fact, it was close to being obsolete at the time--it was NOT because "his squadron was not sent to Viet Nam".

His considerable political pull put him at the top of a list of many, many, top notch guys that had applied for the very same position before he did.
But Bush passed the aptitude test they give to screen out guys that would not make good pilots by only ONE POINT!
( Which begs the question Was the one point paid for?)

Not honorable behavior---especially when he's now (gag) Commander in Chief of many, many guys that DO have courage & honor.