READER COMMENTS ON
"VIDEO - John Edwards Slams Bush for Incompetence and Illegal Spying"
(30 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 10:10 am PT...
Question: Mr. Edwards, when you say the amount of time effort put forth into the Impeachment of president Clinton when you served in Congress, was a frivolous attempt to discredit a president, as a waste of time and how it divided Congress, then you sit there and point out several issues that could, none other than be described as misdemeanors and high crimes about the current president, how can you not support an investigation and/or Impeachment for these egregious offenses to the people of America and their rights, the Constitution of the United States of America, International laws and treaties, falsely representing facts so as to lead us into a war, torture and suspension of Habeas Corpus and the use on clandestine gulag camps.
IF you, Mr. Edwards, are to be believed that the Clinton Impeachment about a lie concerning a blow-job, was unjustified, yet at the time was a necessary event, then how can you square and reason the atrocities that the Bush Administration has and is committing as being not important to an investigation? You're only solution is to suggest that America vote for a Democrat for president.
Mr. Edwards, America has a cancer. And this cancer is affecting the Constitution of the United States of America. And that you suggest is that we ignore the damages done to our civil liberties by this cancer and work to get a Democrat in Office instead.
Getting a Democrat in Office is all well and good. A noble cause. And the similar argument can be made for Bush's illegalities and deceits. They're based in a noble cause, hunting out the terrorists, yet are done in a way that infringes on everyone's rights and goes against the grain of the Constitution, the fabric of American culture.
Mr. Edwards, where is that line that says, "Enough is enough?"
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 11:25 am PT...
Edwards had his chance to be judged by America. America decided: NO THANKS
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 12:09 pm PT...
Not from the evidence I've seen, Ricky.
Can you prove your statement?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 12:25 pm PT...
Actually, ricky (#2), at least half of Americans did NOT say 'no thanks' to John Edwards, since the 49% to 51% "official" split showed the great divide right down the middle of our country. That hardly counts as ALL of America deciding, regardless of how much you and your fellow BushCo apologists need it to be so. Just because you say it over and over again doesn't make it true.
Of course, the "official" '04 elections results assumes the voting machines weren't gamed, as the vast mountain of evidence suggests, but no point in going there with you.
Bush continues to freefall in the polls, deservedly so, as more and more Americans who voted for him now admit they wished they hadn't fallen for his 'honest' guy psuedo-persona, as the true extent of BushCo's unprecedented corruption, incompetence, deception, and illegal and treasonous activities unfolds.
I would vote for a Gore-Edwards ticket in a heartbeat. Now, more than ever, two true-hearted Americans who honestly have everyone's best interests at heart could do a world of good...
...unlike BushCo Republicans who seem to be devoted only to what's good for wealthy people and corporations. I hope someday you come to understand, ricky, that they do not care about you, your needs, your future, your family, or what is important to you --- and they never have. They never will.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 12:37 pm PT...
Gore/Edwards!!!!! I want my Gore/Edwards stickers!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 12:59 pm PT...
No, no, 99. Gore/Feingold, please!
btw, do you think this country will EVER grow up enough to elect a woman president? A black president? A gay president?
Damn, we have a l-o-o-o-n-g way to go. I think maybe we will have to be taken over by some superior race of aliens before we get over all our crap.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 1:43 pm PT...
i would prefer Edwards as VP candidate, with Feingold as Attorney General, because of Edwards' greater and more recent experience advocating for the poor and downtrodden, and Feingold's experience with the most recent legislation... although either one is a worthy candidate for any position on the ticket or in the cabinet of a Democratic administration.
Joan #6 --- i think we will finally be past all of our crap when we no longer take note of the appearance of the candidates. Much like the fanfare that wasn't around the selection of Madeliene Albright , Colin Powell, and Condi Rice as Secretaries of State. That they are all minorities just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal anymore.
that's a good thing. back before Powell disgraced himself and his country by caving in to pressure and presenting dubious evidence to the UN --- evidence that he himself later admitted he didn't support and had privately advocated against --- i would have thought he'd make a great president.
i think that Americans will elect a minority in positions of Pres and VP in our lifetimes. the main sticking point will be the entrenched white males who don't believe anyone can do as good a job as they can, at anything.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 2:22 pm PT...
Ok, maybe. But I'm still betting it'll require an alien takeover. I just hope that when they get here they put all these guys in jail. Or maybe they can, like, shrink them & put them all in a tiny little box. That'd be alot cheaper.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 5/23/2006 @ 7:15 pm PT...
The next time one of these sunday talk show hosts asks a Democrat "Do you think the president should be impeached", they should say "Impeached? I think he should be SHOT", and then after the host pisses himself from excitement, say "just kidding"!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 6:07 am PT...
GET A NEW PHONE COMPANY
THAT STANDS UP FOR RIGHTS
THE AMERICAN QUEST
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 7:30 am PT...
I think Edwards makes a very important point when he says it will take a long long time to recover.
That point is, fiscal conservatism will no longer be part of the republican identity. No matter who is elected, nothing short of fiscal conservativism will do.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 7:48 am PT...
Gore/Edwards sounds great to me! I think that Russ should hold his Senate seat and tune up on the campaign trail so he can crack some whip or other should the Dems pick up enough seats to make it interesting in 07. That said, a few primaries pitting Gore and Edwards and Feingold, what with whatever coverage by the MSM, could serve to completely reframe the debates. Just a thought...
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 8:09 am PT...
How do you spell sore loser?
Joan and TXGIRL,
I would vote for Condi Rice before I would vote for any Democrat. Unfortunately she has stated many times that she will not run in 2008.
As for ex-Sen.Edwards and ex-VP Gore Jr, they had their chance. Yes the margin of victory was small on the Republican side (and your conspiracy theories continue to be boring), but if things were so good with Clinton/GoreJr then he would have won by a much larger margin. IF you want to whine about the 2000 election, go whine to Tennessee who did not give their VP homeboy a winning majority and the state's 11 electoral votes!
Pres.Clinton's home state also went for GWB!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 5/24/2006 @ 8:50 am PT...
#13 mike j .
Why do you people always rely on Violence, Intimidation, Fraud and Lies when they can't win honerably ? ? ?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 10:59 am PT...
Help end the "War Against Reality" Mike - if you're not a part of the solution then you are a part of the problem.
Among other things, the Republican party has lost it's core identity. Or at least the one they play on TV.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 12:35 pm PT...
Off Topic: (Dan does it all the time, so I will too!)
The Hill: Gephardt expresses Nov. doubt
Ex-VP Al Gore Jr. talks about the step from the Supreme Court to violent revolution, and you accuse MY side of being violent?
Pres.Clinton sends planes to bomb Bosina yet ignores the slaughter in Rwanda, and you accuse MY side of being violent?
Democrat activists in Palm Beach County, FL, protested in droves yelling "Re-Vote, re-vote" and overtook a county elections office, yet you accuse MY side of being violent?
Some of your friends here advocate violence on the previous Al Gore Jr. thread, yet you accuse MY side of being violent?
Pres.Clinton and his AG Janet Reno sent troops into the Branch Davidian compound killing 88 people including many children and 2 pregnant women, yet you accuse MY side of being violent?
Well, at least I got you away from your usual one-liners.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 12:42 pm PT...
I want some of what mike j is smokin'.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 12:43 pm PT...
I'm a big Edwards supporter, the impeachment issue is getting a lot of play on the blogs. I agree with Edwards' position. I don't think it's just a question of courage or commitment to the sacred laws governing our land. Thinks are so bad now across the board it's an issue of triage. When a doctor or nurse says, "this one first," are they saying the other person's injuries are not significant or life threatening?
I'd like to see the whole issue framed more broadly. I'd like to see Dem candidates go out into their districts and say, "Elect me and restore accountability, investigations have to be undertaken across the board." I don't think that, "Elect me, I'll impeach Bush," is a good campaign position.
Feingold even said, in this clip about censure from CNN, that he recognizes the fact that Bush is going to be President for the next few years.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 5/24/2006 @ 4:35 pm PT...
#Mike J #16
Thanks for NOT answering my question . . . Ya I miss Clinton Gore to . . . . . .
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/24/2006 @ 5:11 pm PT...
Hey Johnny it's time you go to www.loosechange911.com and buy a copy of the DVD LOUDER THAN WORDS 2nd edition" to get up to speed on what the Bushit administration was really up to on 9/11 as opposed to a blurry video release (which of coarse is a tell all to da folks in TV land). It's dedicated to the victims on Bush's holiday which he uses to justify any and all of his illegal, wrong-headed, and destructive activities which covers his body of work since his presidential takeover.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 5/24/2006 @ 5:41 pm PT...
Mike J #13
You said "Pres.Clinton's home state also went for GWB!"
The current state of election affairs in Arkansas together with Tucker Carlson's comments on Hardball friday shed some light on the myth you advance.
You advance the myth that preznit blush won the election in '00 and '04. Not as far as political scientists are concerned.
But be that as it may, at least Tucker Carlson and America are sorry for their "mistake". Either way you look at it everyone wishes Gore and Kerry had won.
I mean everyone that is aware of what is going on.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/24/2006 @ 5:51 pm PT...
MIke J: you fall into the catagory of dumbass bushit supporter who couldn't understand the real issues being discussed here because you're blinded by your own inability to grasp the concept. Your comment which proves that to you the only ISSUE is about the fact that yo man won and quote "our man lost." It's morons like you who really piss me off because this blog and this thread IS NOT about what the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, the US government and their mass media controlled opinion of who won the last 2 stolen presidential elections. This one refutable fact DOES NOT SUPPORT an argument of total ignorance to the MASSIVE EVIDENCE OUR RIGGED ELECTION SYSTEM AND ALL THE OTHER CRIMINAL AND DESTRUCTIVE ACTIVITIES OF THE BUSHIT ADMININSTRATION to slip past your stupid ace . I think you are the perfect candidate to become a Bush loyalist crash test dummy for a 757 flight to be flown into a building like the Pentagon to relive how a 3 story commercial aircraft and your DNA can completely disappear and leave a 16 foot hole without a trace.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 5/25/2006 @ 12:21 pm PT...
Gore/Edwards is the strongest ticket going forward. Neither man takes bullshit, and both are strong, smart and good. As much as I like and respect Feingold, he doesn't bring as much to the ticket as Edwards, who could win southern states...along with Gore. Pussyfooters need not apply...
Gore's work on the environment and internet, and Edwards' focus on poverty and justice serve as good foci for Democrats going forward.
Edwards has, by far, the best blog...which could also prove useful.
It also helps that they are both attractive candidates.
In 2000, Gore has Edwards, Kerry and Lieberman on his short list. Had he chosen Edwards, he would have won. There is still time. But if Gore does not run, I will still support Edwards. These are the two strongest candidates we have so far.
I can't wait to see the debates, where next time, the Republicans will get what is coming to them...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 5/26/2006 @ 11:24 am PT...
Hey Bear, #22
How many of your friends, family, and co-workers know of your opinions about the Pentagon attack? If you attend any social functions like soccer games, bowling, etc. do you share your wacko opinions with people there?
How many blank stares do you get when you do?
How many looks of disbelief do you get when you do?
How many people around you on a weekly basis actually believe those wacko conspiracy theories?
Do you know anybody who was a rescue worker at the Pentagon? Do you know anybody who worked on the debris removal? Do you know any of the investigators in the incident?
If you do, then great. Tell us what you have learned from them.
If you don't, then go find those people first. Your wacko conspiracy theories have no proof. I know, you think you have proof, but not really. Real proof would be accepted by the majority of the American people. Real proof would not only exist on your wacko liberal websites, but in the mainstream news.
Lastly, is it possible for you to engage in a public debate without using gutter-language profanity? People tend to take you more seriously as a mature intelligent person when you don't. Otherwise, people realize what kind of person you really are when you do.
Have a nice day!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 5/26/2006 @ 4:05 pm PT...
Gay marriage!? Can you americans even begin to understand how much we laugh at you?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 5/26/2006 @ 5:35 pm PT...
Maybe you're right about Edwards. He did do well debating the vice.
And I think I recall that when pressed about who he supports as a candidate in '08, he said he has been & is supporting hillary.
THAT'S not good! All the deadly-serious problems plaguing the country & she talks about violence in video games.
I'll have to do more homework on Edwards....
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 5/26/2006 @ 5:36 pm PT...
Sorry...I meant to say FEINGOLD said he supports hillary!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 5/27/2006 @ 1:23 pm PT...
It's good to hear any Democrat seriously slam Bush & point out what Bush has done wrong & the negative consequences that we are now & will continue to suffer because of Bush & Co.'s criminal behavior.
The Democrats should have been speaking this way all the time, followed by exactly what they will do to fix it, & they should have been confrontational.
Some on this blog said Kerry & Gore didn't speak out re the stolen elections afterwards because of threats to their families or because it could have damaged their careers. However, that excuse for not speaking out is unacceptable.
Elected officials take only one oath when sworn into office. That is "to protect & defend the United States Constitution against ALL enemies both foreign & DOMESTIC". There's no clause that says 'unless it might hurt my career or family'.
That's because Representating the People was intended to be serious business, not for the faint of heart.
How can they ask our soldiers to march out there & pay the ultimate price for freedom while they cower in a corner--afraid to act?
(Actually, people would rally around them & respect their honesty & love for America.)
That's the truth.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 5/28/2006 @ 1:29 am PT...
Operation Enduring Freedom. I mean just listen to it, Operation Enduring Freedom hahaha. U people crazy.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 5/29/2006 @ 2:11 pm PT...
Bush being the worst. You've got to be kidding. You must have dementia. Apparently you've forgotten Jimmy the Buffoon Carter. What a jerk. Glad he was not an officer in WWII or we would have lost. Clinton runs him a close second. Both were and are backwater jerks that deserve to be forgotten in history.