Slightly off topic
May 1, 2000+6
Happy Labor Day!

Also OT: Bush actually declared this "Law Day", not Labor Day.

http://www.whitehouse.go.../2006/04/20060428-7.html

What an F'n joke.....

One major issue with the breach is that it imperils her global contacts and in turn their associates whether they were involved in her covert intelligence gathering or not.

It's treason then...

Of course it's treason. Although, Bush/Cheney don't see it that way.

It was also treason to institute an energy policy that forces the U.S. to become more reliant on foreign oil. But, Bush/Cheney don't see it that way either.

Big question...what will be done about it...? We surely will get nothing but lies and cover up from the like of Pat Roberts and the rest of the GOP Congress....forget Porter Goss, Bush ass licker, he would betray his office and his country for Bush..so would Gonzales...so who will have the guts to call treason on treason...as a free and lawful country, we are done in...

Besides the damage that was done, isn't this whole thing just an indication of how infantile the White House it.
Why in god's name did they come up with the idea that just cause Joe Wilson had a wife who worked for the CIA in any way denigrated the info he gave. The most useless bunch ever. :angry:

OT...The Pope said we can use condoms in certain situations, such as aids! Hooray!!! ...sorry...

BUSH SAYS WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL (NOT OUR FAULT,IT'S THE CAR MANUFACTURERS FAULT)
BUSH AND HIS REPUG CRONIES ARE ADDICTED TO WAR.

Actually, this is not new to the blogosphere, but it is the first time I have see the Plame - Iran link on the MSM.

This administration has tortured people to get them to say what they wanted them to say, which is about the only reason to torture anyone; certainly not to get the truth out of them.

If there is one thing they are not, it is childish. They are dangerous; exceedingly dangerous

Is it so inconceivable that they had their reasons for outing PLame, other than just to embarrass her husband, which has never made sense to me?

These people came into office with a plan for the middle east and other oil-rich nations. It was a plan that had been in the works for almost a decade when the planes hit the towers.

What they did not count on was the resistance they would get, even after their "new Pearl Harbor."

Worst. People. Ever. I hope these douchebags all rot in prison, although I think at least Rove might like it, with his being Jeff Gannon's bitch and all. Also, when the admin. gets ripped on Soft Ball, it's not looking good for the monkey king... how anyone can defend this leak biz (WaPo) as anything less than absolute treason is way friggin beyond comprehension. Bradblog rules!

Oh, puleeez...... GW Bush and his henchmen and women are all above the law. News reports this week said Bush had violated more than 750 laws, saying his interpretation of the Constitution determines his actions.

The corporate media ignored it. No one is screaming in the streets. Every step of the way is more and more horrific, and Bush escapes any challenge.

We said this a while ago: Why Is GW Bush Above the Law? Read it and understand the sad realilty....

CLICK HERE

There seems to be no question that many in the White House, along with those at the RNC and Republicans in Congress have committed treason here. It is in rare instances like these when I am a supporter of capital punishment.

Killing good intel in Iraq? And Underming war critics? Win-Win! They get both wars in one move.

Too good to resist if you're Rove.

At a minimum, it looks like another solid count in a multi-count impeachment dossier, along with election fraud, illegal spying, and manipulated intelligence.

Hey Brad, this item is top billing at buzzflash. Bradblog rocks!

Wilson wasn't the target, Plame was.
Do you remember the Korean airliner the "strayed into Soviet airspace" and was shot down? Rumors at the time were of a bogus identity beacon placed by US spys on that plane that masked the civilian beacon. When the Soviet Air Defenses took it down, our satelite was watching, we got a good look at how their system worked.
When the fake bill of sale for Yellow Cake was floated past the Spook Shop, they brought in their A-list operatives to give it a look, this was a request from the Vice President's Office. It was decided to check further and Wilson was tapped for the trip (a very good choice, having been the Ambassador to the country next door and having extensive contacts throughout the region)(He also did the job without pay, his expenses were reimbursed). When Wilson published "What I didn't find in Niger" and the WhiteHouse Thugs went to work on him, they did it by exposing his wife's identity, as if being recommended by a woman made him somehow less of a man (does that make ANY sense?)
Cheney and Rumsfeld (and a bunch of their chums) are proliferators. So is Poppy Bush. They sell weapons, legal and otherwise. Whether it's TOW missiles to Iran or poison gas and helicopter delivery systems to Iraq, Guns to the Mujahadin or the Contras, there's money to be made, boys. AQKahn (just released from house arrest today) would not be free if he didn't have backing from the highest levels of the US government. We completely demolished Iraq, supposedly because we suspected that Saddam had nukes and we are fixing to do the same to Iran. But Kahn was exposed as having sold nuclear technology on the black market and he is still breathing. Dollars to donuts, Carlyle Group picked up something on those deals.
Your biggest risk as an independent proliferator would be the CIA team that tracks WMDs, wouldn't it? So send the Niger documents over to Langley and see who rises to the bait.
And then roll them up.
Plame's bailiwick was WMD proliferation, you have to figure that her group's focus would be on SouthWest Asia and Africa, If she was assigned to Iraq, she was a front-line soldier in Bush's War on Terrrrrr and she was betrayed, so was her team, so was her Division, so was America.
Treason during wartime is punishable by firing squad (though I'd prefer they got life sentences in Camp X-Ray)

correction:"If she was assigned to IraN..."

I recall reading about how Plame was the real target and Wilson was just the means to an end... at least a year ago. Anyone remember when and where the idea was first floated?

And uh... maybe Valerie Plame could get a gig as a Bond girl?

Well I would like to extend to Mrs. Plame the offer to spy on me anytime she wants. I promise I won't out you. No offense Joe, but seriously, allow me to be a male chauvinist pig for a brief and anomalous moment. Your wife is hot.

In all seriousness, the intentional leaking of Plame's CIA identity cannot be spun, cannot be excused. It was no less than treason and represents the depths to which these bastards will stoop. How any true patriot could possibly believe in their party after this mess is beyond my capacity to understand. If I ever get within kicking distance of Robert Novak's nads...

"Plame Leak Hurt Ability to Spy on Iran for WMD"

DUH !

"Intel? We don't need no stinking intel!!"
...George W.M.D. Bush

It just gets in the way of making those gut-feeling decisions that only I, "The Great Decider" am capable of making. Hey, if we need it we can always invent it later.

My point being that to the Bush Admin. Intel is merely window dressing that they can use, ignore, change at will or do without entirely as they see fit because for them the bottom line is that they can do as they please no matter what. They had intel on Iraq which didn't match their story, so they made up their own as they went along. In the end after the scam was uncovered their only reply was, "So What?! It needed to be done anyway, so we did it! Get the picture!?" And truthfully, if you are the world's biggest and most belligerent WMD, why wouldn't you think and act that way? Why would they need intel on Iran if their long standing objective is to take Iran out no matter what? If Plame had uncovered culpatory evidence, it wouldn't have really been necessary since they don't need it to do what they have planned to do all along come hell or high water. And if she had found exculpatory evidence--a likely possibility given what they already knew about Iraq--it would then have needed to be deep-sixed anyway. So why bother with messy stuff like factual inteligence which merely gums up the working of an operation based on the pristiness of mindless gut-feeling decision-making.

OT (a musical break)

http://youtube.com/watch...p;search=Mr.%20President

The Dick is an enemy of the people of the US.

Hmmm, Plame "accidentally" got outed and so now we have no accurate intelligence as to what Iran is up to. Which means Bush can spout lies about "nukular weapons" with nobody in a position to contradict him. It couldn't have worked out better for him if he'd outed Plame on purpose in order to destroy the CIA department she worked for...

http://www.sktb.net/bdf/anom1.html

Its a sign of what this administration has shown all along,
a lack of intelligence... in the name of war profiteering, of course
Money trumps peace any day in their books

For Brian de Ford: I think you're on to something.

Plame wasnt a covert agent.

Brian De Ford: It's pronounced "NOOO-kee-lore."

Ricky #31

And The Dick Cheney is not a republican ...

Bring down the fascist republican dictatorship and bring full freedom back to America ... just say NO to torture, NO to spying on Americans, NO to destroying our nuclear espionage, and NO to ruining our dignity ... say YES to impeaching Cheney and Bush

"Plame wasnt a covert agent. "

If Ricky and the Repugnantcans say this often enough, will it become true? And if they clap hard enough, will Tinkerbell live?

Good ol' Bush administration...

when they're not lying to us about terrorism...
or secretly spying on us...
or rigging elections...

they're proactively damaging the nation's security.

and why??? ... To discredit someone who was telling America the truth... and to cover-up their lies.

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Makes you feel good not to be one of the dumbasses that voted for this complete and utter failure.

"Plame wasnt a covert agent. "

If Little Ricky and the Repugnantcans repeat this chorus often enough, will it become true?

And if they clap hard enough, will Tinkerbell live?

Ricky #31 - care to elaborate on your statement?

Ricky #31 - care to elaborate on your statement? Anything other than she was a desk-jockey who hadn't left Langley in several yrs?

Ricky went to the Bob Jones University of Misinformation.

Publisher Sees Way To Stop War, Through 9/11 Truth

Personally, I think that was the intent. The Bushies don't want the public to know the real status of Iran's WMD (just like they didn't want us to know about Iraq's WMD). If people believe the Bush lie that Iran is a danger then they can go ahead and bomb Iran.

Impeach bush and cheney for treason, then clean house by replacing republican members of congress that supports this criminal regime.

For the record, Valerie Plame was undercover at certain times and not at others. She was a C.I.A. employee at the time she was outed, however.

Whether she was undercover at that moment is in dispute. But it's also irrelevant. She had been undercover in the past, and still worked for the C.I.A., so exposing her status as a C.I.A. operative meant she was in danger whether undercover or not, those she had worked with were in danger, and any projects she had been working on were compromised.

Ricky's argument is meaningless, like most arguments based on Fox Network or Limbaugh talking points.

RLM: And that's the real focus - everything that was compromised. The intelligence community has already stated, off the record (of course) that there was a significant amount of damage:
http://www.rawstory.com/...was_working_on_0213.html

Here is Larry Johnson's estimate:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/s...ory/2005/7/13/04720/9340

And truthout: http://www.commondreams..../headlines03/1011-01.htm

Yes, those leakers are sure concerned with matters of national security, aren't they pRicky?

On another blog the trolls have already begun to take a new tack against "libs" (meaning "liberals," for those of us who aren't insulted enough by use of the full word).

Here's how it goes. Some "libs" had been denying that Iran had nuclear weapons. Those same people have been complaining that Valerie Plame was outed while working on an Iran intelligence project.
Therefore, libs are hypocrites, because if Valerie had been working on an Iran project, it constitutes proof that Iran had nuclear weapons all along.

Dumb, dumber, dumbest. If it had been known that Iran had nuclear weapons when Valerie Plame was investigating for the C.I.A., then there would have been no need for an investigation. Obviously, whether Iran had WMD or not was still a matter of conjecture...that's what her group was trying to determine. Possibly Iran was developing nuclear material for peaceful use, or possibly they were building a bomb but were still years away from having it ready.

Valerie Plame was part of a team seeking answers to the question, "What is Iran up to?" Now that she's been outed, that mission is compromised, whether she was actively working on it or not at the moment her name was given to Black Heart Novak.

Regarding the 'real target' of the Plame outing. Just to add to the possibilities: Novak's article came out on July 14 2003. Two days later, the Raleigh News & Observer ran an editorial claiming that "Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group of retired spies, issued an open letter to President Bush on [July 14] reflecting the view of many in the intelligence community that the central culprit is Vice President Dick Cheney." (A Larger Pattern of Deceit, July 16). It is quite possible, given the timing, that the outing was designed to intimidate the CIA old-boy dissenters into shutting up.

Does this mean that if there's a nuclear terrorist attack here, the Bushies can blame Iran and no one will be able to knowledgably prove them wrong?

Or if something goes off here, will people remember that Bush did this?

More to the story today.

Hmm, I am new here but is Ricky Mary's brother from There's Something About Mary?

BVAC said:
"I recall reading about how Plame was the real target and Wilson was just the means to an end... at least a year ago"

I made the comment on the comments of one or two blogs probably 9 months ago, maybe that's the source of your hazy recollection?

Jm brings up an excellent point and a great source, Ray McGovern. Certainly the effect of the Plame outing was to intimidate anyone else that might dare inconvenience BushCheney&Co.

Yeah Brian de Ford, It does elliminate any contradiction, by poking our eyes out.

HoBoJo, good start, don't forget some of the complicite Democrats, (NoMo)Joe Lyingman, Joe Bidin' my time, Hillary and Kerry... But simply removing them from office doesn't go half far enough.
The core of this gang have been moving on this plan for 15 - 20 years, they have converted the GOP into a criminal enterprise, similar to the Mafia but with upper crust bloodlines and American accents. When I asked Elizabeth de la Vega back in January, if this satisfied the requirements for a RICO investigation, she said "Yes, now all we need is a prosecutor". That prosecutor might already be on the case, we can only hope that Patrick Fitzgerald is bulletproof.

rlm #43 - thanks for expanding on ricky's #31 assertion. very good post. thanks!

CV: It's possible, but I remember it being from a news source, and probably a fringe one such as EIR or wayne madsen... I know there was a general buzz though, and it was picked up by other channels such as dailykos and FDL, around the time that Sy Hersch was reporting on military action in Iran. It's just amazing how long it takes for this stuff to be adopted as common knowledge, when its been floating around for so long.

Who will be the last bush sucker standing and become the sucker of all suckers

You Big Dummy!!!
Yeah! I'm talkin' to you, GWB!

why not get a write in party started ,call it the purple faced party, where red and blue blend together. number 1 priority. enacting rico charges against the bush admin, the fed reserve chair board members, the cfr, the trilateral com.,heritage think tank,pnac members,bilderbergers, military industrial complex board members, halli, carlysle, bechtel, kbr , blackwater , custer &battles,etc........ do you realize that when charged under rico statutes, all assetes can be seized immediately, pre trial. use their offshore accounts to pay for prosecuting these weasels. also another platform would be before repealing patriot act and all other unconstitutional acts, charge all current named above under the patriot act provisions of enemy combatants as well as so we could be at our leisure before releasing the ones deemed not to be , by our special citizens review board.
Here comes the real justice, then market these thugs on ppv tv humiliation series, where lottery tickets are sold daily with the chance to win a trip and humiliate the political enemy combatant of your choice for 15 minutes, we could do this nonstop for 25 years, and make enough to pay for legitimate government health care and education for all as repartation for what they have stolen away from us with their ineptness wreckless treasonous acts. hey if you agree, run with it, paint your faces purple and explain how that with breaking up into groups throughout all voting districts in america , we can coordinate and win with a certified group of candidates that will follow these 2 platforms and do away with beauracracy and insurance and take the funds from the 2 previous methods above to achieve.the purple faces alone needs no further advertisement , other than the people with the painted faces to explain the process. you dont have to be on the ballot if enough write ins are there. and when we all have purple faces on election day, how can diebold and electronic voting machines say anything different. solutions would be simple from there. a simple world can be achieved

JOSE CAN YOU SEE

MY FLIP FLOP

BY
THE SINGER IN CHIEF

Singing out of both sides of his mouth, the prez sez that the national anthem should be sung in english, unless as Singer In Chief, he says otherwise.

The Whatever in Chief "... sang Star Spangled Banner en español during 2000 campaign" (link here).

WoW!

Valerie is HOT!