What's the problem? He doesn't think we were worried with the voting machine manufacturers having ties to George Bush and the Repuglican party? Alright!!! Hugo for President! At least Hugo gave the U.S. cut rate heating oil. Our Preznit Bush raised the price. What a country, eh?

Peace, back by popular demand!

TO all the wingnuts you aint seen nothing yet.

This is what we've been saying all along. If e-vote machines are hackable, and they have been prove so, then terrorists or other country's leaders can pick our government.

Repubicans are disenfranchised, too. Because they get hacked away in primaries, if they don't agree with Bush, or whoever is controlling our votes.

Maybe Hugo Chavez will be our next president!

Maybe Hugo Chavez will correct the software and hardware "problems" so that the machines will produce accurate results the next time they're used in the US. Now that would be interesting.

(BTW in case some folks don't know, there is huge disinformation about Chavez in the US media.)

Big Dan #3

Interesting, your comment "If e-vote machines are hackable, and they have been prove so, then terrorists or other country's leaders can pick our government".

And we know that they would not choose this regime, just like Americans wouldn't, unless they were terrorists. The terrorists are at an all time recruitment high, while our military is at record lows.

The "terrists" would want to "stay the course", because, even conservatives are now admitting that the war is a failure (link here). Not a failure because of "shock and awe", but because in the final analysis it is "awe shit".

Nevertheless, it is academic, public elections should be regulated by public policy which is not partisan. And it is also a sovereign concept, any nation has the sole right to do its own elections.

I feel that what the wingnuts and kool-aid kids fear most is accuracy and oversight in our voting systems. They can't win with honesty at the forefront.

Thanks, Brad, for your diligence, viglilance, and hard work to make our vote & voices heard.

gt, Veterans for Peace.

Breaking--

Early Transcripts of Debra Bowen's CA Senate Elections Committee hearing--in which Sen. Debra Bowen skillfully pries out some interesting admissions from 2 of the ITAs--

See BlackBoxVoting.org new thread here.

This nut is plain wrong about the Bush "margin of victory" in Ohio. Kerry won more narrowly in PA (25,647 votes) than did Bush in OH (118,647), but that translates to a narrower percentage margin of 2.11% for Bush in OH vs. 2.5% for Kerry in PA. (My calculations are based on the "official" tally, which of course may not be accurate in OH due to fraud.)

Big Dan #3 said:

"...they would not choose this regime, ..., unless they were terrorists."

Probably why "Osama" released a terror warning days before the election.

Election fraud through manipulation of the populace as well as machine hacking!

The Republicans and Chavez hate each other's guts. That's a well known fact.

If Hugo Chavez really does own the e-voting machines, they why aren't the Democrats in control of Congress and the White House?

It's because he doesn't own them! The Republicans still do!

Case closed.

Regardless of who does own them, if the November election results aren't accurate and fair this time around, the recent multi million Latino marches will look like a church social compared to what will transpire in the weeks after the next stolen elections.

Just a clarification for my last comment.

It won't be me personally who will make the Latino marches look like a church social if the November elections are not perceived to be fair and accurate. It will be the millions of people who are fed up with the obviously flawed voting systems, who will flood the streets of Washington and other major cities.

Kevin Schmidt #12

You present a mixture of hope and despair, which I must say, is realistic in the sense that you do present the reality in principle.

However, it may be that American democracy will go or has gone by the wayside. Simply because of the logistics "I can't keep track of it anymore" may be the theme song of election fraud.

If you remember Bob Dylan's lyric "there's so much oppression ... can't keep track of it anymore" it raises this ugly spectre of logistics.

Depending on the source (There are 3,066 counties, there are 3143 Counties) one gets different counts.

I suppose that is because there are different ways of establishing them.

But the bottom line is that there are over 3000 of them and they have different laws, procedures, methods, machines, and people for doing elections.

There is no one place to go to find out all of the issues that regard electronic voting machines in all the counties. What machines are used, how secure are they. All we know is that when we hack a machine, it has been hacked for all counties.

The logistics is a daunting task that only the powerful republican dictatorship can tackle with complete abandon, and bring to the ground.

That is what I expect them to do, and once done, the victim will have a difficult time getting back up.

Catherine A #8

Another problem, beyond the logistics of 3000+ counties, is the speed at which the attempt to regulate electronic voting machines is implemented.

The discourse in the hearing you mentioned, shows the problem:

"Senator Debra Bowen: And just to be clear, even though this is 2006, we're not using the 2005 standards right now.

Systest (Brian Phillips): Right. It's essentially a way to identify them. We are testing to 2002 currently and again we look at how they meet the 2005 just as an added value to the vendor so they're prepared when the 2005s are mandatory" (link here, bold added).

Yes, using 2002 standards to apply to 2006 elections. This shows that the newest and presumably better regulations are not going to be used until 2007.

Even then I think it is still discretionary ... up to the states and counties. The ITA's point this out:

"Well there's a difference between testing in a lab and working in real life. You've got far more components, let's say Travis County Texas may have several thousand polling place devices. We as a test lab may have two or three, that's all that's available to us. We're also looking at, we don't, what I should say is when we're testing it to the VSS we're not really looking at election day processes either, what are some of the controls in place and some of the security measures in place and things such as that. So that'll vary from county to county and precinct to precinct itself so we don’t really look at that. And that can have a play on how things will work out in the field"(ibid, bold added).

So in years to come, when the standards are not years and years old, there is still requirements for laws that mandate using the proper standards. In other words, one county can use a different standard than another county, or none at all.

So we are very early into computerized voting systems, even tho, computer science is better off than that. Computer technology works better than the dismal election landscape implements it.

Imagine building a powerful desktop computer based on 2002 science. The whole thing tends to change in 18 months or less. Standards older than that become obsolete and for real practical purposes, useless.

I wish Chavez was my president. He is smart and compassionate. If Venezuela does own some of our voting machines, I'll feel a lot better than just republicans owning them. Maybe we'll get a two party system after all.

Wouldnt it be amazing if all ess machines only registered dem votes while diebold only registered repubs. Do you think that would finally wake up theSheeple?

Chavez '08!

Chavez's machines record who you vote for in addition to allowing the vote to be flipped to whatever the controller wants.

The Venezeulans have known this a Loooong time. That is why the last referendum _noone_ went to vote except for government employees who were required too (15% turnout). Read the EU report on it.

That US electronic voting opponents have not looking into the Venezuelan referendum fraud and seen the parallels is very $trange. The Venezuelan referendum is the "shining" example the E-voting people use to say their system works. Of course it was a shame. But 'Carter' said it was okay. Yes, and little Jimmy also was part of the commision that said e-voting and requiring picture ID was good too.

Wake up!! Crooks are crooks. For the right price they help each other out. Sell cheap oil=you win your election. Simple deal right.

And if you want a link to to all that.

http://www.venezuelatoda...sults/tulio-alvarez.html