READER COMMENTS ON
"PAPER: Ann Coulter Given 30 Days to Explain Vote Fraud Felony Allegation!"
(108 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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NeilDeal
said on 3/30/2006 @ 12:26 pm PT...
Yet another example of Pub-tards that think they are above the law.
I can hear her now in her serpent-like voice,
But I'm rich! I can do anything I want!"
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 12:47 pm PT...
With the elections coming in November, I think it's great that the "progressives" are showing their interest in the really important issues like Ann Coulter voting 37 feet over a precinct line. She is not going to jail over this you nimrods. It's some nut who is appeasing liberal bloggers that can say something like that.
Example #2: Harping about Dick Cheney's private hunting accident that the victim himself even acknowledged as "an accident". The victim has moved on, liberals haven't quite gotten their yet.
If liberals or Anderson were really serious about filing charges against Coulter and needed proof of her residence they could have accessed Palm Beach's online Property Tax Owner information. It's really easy.
Liberals act as if the only thing holding back an indictment is a FACTUAL affirmation of residence.
Well liberals, here it is:
http://www.co.palm-beach...wner=Coulter&city=-1
Merry Fitzmas! LOL.
Now call me crazy, but it's hard to believe that one conservative like me really is more resourceful than 20,000 liberals blathering but I suppose anything is possible.
Tell me that Anderson, or any of these other boobs that are part of a voting board could not have accessed this own damn information in their own town.
Another reason why liberals will not be running the country anytime soon.
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Ohm
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:12 pm PT...
I'm still waiting for Coulter's beastiality pics to surface... and as for you, "OleCraftyLiberals".. November is coming. Shit like you are the real "terrists" in this country. And if I were you, I'd find a new tagline.. "liberals" went out in the 80's, kinda like that fuggin' mullet you still wear.
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jack
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:13 pm PT...
With regard to the palm-beach county record, there are a few things to keep in mind:
There are probably other factors as well that could affect this situation. Property Tax records may not be the way to accurately define residency for voting in all situations.
1) Classifying a property as your homestead for tax purposes does NOT require you live there most of the time. In many states, the homestead claim can remain valid as long as you spend xx days or weeks at the residence. That's one way a President can live in the Whitehouse and still claim as his homestead the property in the town he came from, if he so desires. Many Presidents do that, and by "vacationing" to their home/ranch, fulfill the homestead TAX claim requirements.
2) In some states, TAX classification appears to be a matter of declaring in an affidavit that you don't intend to sell the home...but that you plan to live/retire there, etc.
3) The palm-beach TAX record may not reflect real-time homestead claim status. The record was for 2005 and the claim simply carried over to 2006 tax year. If it was valid for any portion of the 2006 tax year, then it's sometimes considered legally valid for the entire TAX year in some states, even if the residence situation changes.
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onyx
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:24 pm PT...
The tax records would only show that it OWNED the property! They may not shed any light on whether or not it RESIDED there.
Conservatives (the ones that haven't already stopped supporting Bush) are so stupid. It's no wonder they haven't caught on to the criminality yet.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:31 pm PT...
Okay, so if the property tax record does not confirm it to the fullest extent (and if liberals were really that bright to at least obtain it - to date it has not surfaced anywhere on any liberal blog - they would have a place to start).
SO someone is going to pay 1.8 million dollars for the purposes of strictly OWNING without residing.
Hey, be careful Onyx that statement almost defends Coulter differenciating "residing" and "owning".
Hey are you her defense attorney?
LOL.
Catching onto the criminality is a liberal myth with convoluted conspiracy theories for back up.
We conservatives have presidential elections on our side, and Congresisonal elections for that matter, and most Governors are Republican (ya know solid things) on our side.
So there, I gave you your first piece of proof, fax it to the Florida state's attorney's office, give them a head start. You nitwits don't seem to be getting the point here...LOL.
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craig3410
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:48 pm PT...
"SO someone is going to pay 1.8 million dollars for the purposes of strictly OWNING without residing."
Uh, yeah; it's called a summer home.
You're a Republican; you should know that.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:48 pm PT...
Okay, let's lay this out:
Ann Counter fills out the address line on her voter registration, and signs the line where it says, "I declare under penalty of law that the above statements are true"
Then the person who really lives at that address says, "No, she doesn't live here, in fact she has NEVER lived here."
Now why on earth would that person lie?
Oh, I know - she must be a "librul"
*laughin*
No worries - Coulter has 30 days to prove she didn't break the law - and I'm sure those who say it's "no problem" for her to do so will come back here to admit they were wrong if she can't do it - right?
Just like they always do.
Right?
:-)
Oh wait....nevermind.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:55 pm PT...
Good Ol' Mann Coulter...
Vote early, vote often!
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:00 pm PT...
lol #8. What have conservatives been wrong about? What has been proven here or by any other blog site that conservatives have ran from.
I just gave you proof of Coulter's residence if Palm Beach County Florida. Liberals are still attacking me.
What I am saying (if you can comprehend) is that liberals generally have a way of turning a "story" into a conviction. I's simply saying if the voting precinct's officers are trying to make a case of residence, that the damn property tax bill was right there online for them, if indeed they thought they had any evidence whatsoever.
It's apparent that there is more to it than proving residence or ownership of Palm Beach property. Liberals complicate it in the beginning strictly for the purposes of hulabaloo.
I'm guessing that the day she ran out of the polling center is a day she was in a hurry. It's not like she had something to gain or lose by voting in a precinct that she didn't live in. Why would anybody get a thrill by voting in their next town over. Sounds kinda stupid doesn't it?
Moreover, why are liberals running with this with such venom? Are liberals obessed with Coulter...rumor had it there was a book in circulation exposing every Coulter lie and demon....we are still waiting for it.
LOL.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Ohm
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:14 pm PT...
What do you expect when people are rewarded for lying, cheating, raping, killing, etc.. all in the name of Christianity. When ignorant, uneducated people have nothing else to fall back on, out comes the "liberal" tag. Well, I have some news for you, Einstein.. it doesn't work. As long as you can keep your gun and your trailer, and ChinaMart can sell you enough crap to fill it with, you'll vote for whom ever the TV preacher-man tells you to vote for. It's amazing how the truth is overlooked, even when you are choking on it. This is what happens when every electronic device you own is tuned to FauxNews. It's sad, really, and I feel sorry for your ignorance.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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just shut up
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:25 pm PT...
"ol #8. What have conservatives been wrong about? What has been proven here or by any other blog site that conservatives have ran from.
I just gave you proof of Coulter's residence if Palm Beach County Florida. Liberals are still attacking me.
What I am saying (if you can comprehend) is that liberals generally have a way of turning a "story" into a conviction. I's simply saying if the voting precinct's officers are trying to make a case of residence, that the damn property tax bill was right there online for them, if indeed they thought they had any evidence whatsoever.
It's apparent that there is more to it than proving residence or ownership of Palm Beach property. Liberals complicate it in the beginning strictly for the purposes of hulabaloo.
I'm guessing that the day she ran out of the polling center is a day she was in a hurry. It's not like she had something to gain or lose by voting in a precinct that she didn't live in. Why would anybody get a thrill by voting in their next town over. Sounds kinda stupid doesn't it?
Moreover, why are liberals running with this with such venom? Are liberals obessed with Coulter...rumor had it there was a book in circulation exposing every Coulter lie and demon....we are still waiting for it."
#1
in the words of your master, big dick cheney, "go fuck yourself"
#2
shut up 'n go take yer gun 'n' bible to Eye-Rack 'n' FIGHT.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Fight fer yer freeeedom. ha haha
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:40 pm PT...
OleCraftyLiberals aka JustShutUp -
I believe it is against the rules to post under two different names on this blog. Brad is tolerant but not infinitely so.
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Peg C
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:42 pm PT...
Oh, my mistake. Sorry, JSU - I just noticed the quotation marks. I must be going blind!
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:55 pm PT...
OldCraftyLiberals re: #6, #10 and #12 (whose last comments will probably be deleted for breaking the rules about posting under two different names, among other things)
Pay attention now Scooter, and try to keep up.
YOU are saying she lives at the Seabreeze residence in Palm Beach county.
SHE's been saying she doesn't live there.
She DID, however, try to VOTE there - but left when asked to correct the record, and didn't vote.
Instead, she went to another polling place and voted in the precint for residents who live on Indian Road.
And the person who really DOES live at the residence says she doesn't live there.
Got that? Now stay with me.
So either she lives on Seabreeze, but signed a legal statement giving false information about living on Indian Road, and then cast her vote based on that information -
OR,
She really lives at the Indian Road address, and the person who legally owns and resides in the home is lying.
So which is it?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:57 pm PT...
Aw hell Peg, I did the exact same thing *laughin*
sorry JustShutUp.
It's been a looong day.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Dynamo Hum
said on 3/30/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT...
I am glad to see Ann Coulter in hot water. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Bob Alford
said on 3/30/2006 @ 3:52 pm PT...
Ann Coulter appears to behave like an over-the-hill aging Jewish Princess. Is she a Jewess?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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andto think i thought she was hot
said on 3/30/2006 @ 3:55 pm PT...
Ann Coulter was previously known as "Arthur Coltrane of Pickens County, Georgia, former scion of an old Southern hog-farming family, before his sex-change operation," according to TBR News.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/30/2006 @ 4:11 pm PT...
OldCraftyLiberals
As for why we're enjoying this - I think it's common human nature to enjoy watching the bad guys get caught, don't you agree? And it's especially satisfying when it's someone who claims over and over to be a Christian and then says and does evil, hateful things. She hurts people, and I'm not just talking about her verbal attacks - she has actually put people in danger because of her stupidity and vindictiveness.
And I'm sure that the reason the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections didn't rely just on tax records (which were found by SEVERAL people already, btw, and which was probably one of the reasons he sent a registered letter asking her to prove her residence) is that he's making sure he has enough concrete evidence to prove felony fraud beyond a shadow of a doubt before referring to it to the State Attorney General.
As for your comments - I don't see any conspiracy here, I just see a person committing a felony by giving a phony address on legal documents, then voting illegally. *shrugs*
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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wiley post
said on 3/30/2006 @ 4:20 pm PT...
If Smoldering Coulter says she doesn't live in Palm Beach then she lives in NYC or CT and should not be voting in FL. Get it? You can't just buy a country house and say--Well, I have property here so I guess I'll vote here too. Throw water on her. She's melting and the Wicked Witch is dead!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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OldCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 4:31 pm PT...
Posting under multiple names is silly. Yet I was accused of it twice. Talk about conspiracy theories.
Okay....the allegation is not that she voted in Palm Beach itself and shouldn't have been allowed to. The allegation is that she voted on the wrong side of town. There are different precincts in larger towns.
Probably to keep liberal stalkers away, Ann Coulter gave an address at a different location to not have her actual home (Seabreeze Avenue) become public. Aside from the link to the Palm Beach County's website showing her name and property, most people would not care to look it up, but for hullabaloo reasons.
If she gave the address of her realtor so that the public would think that her factual address was somewhere else, then so be it. If it is illegal, then the Florida's states attornies will decide. (Though if I were you I would not be putting $$$ on them doing so).
How many people do you know that give false addresses so that their kids can go to a better school three towns over? Or Residents of South Central Los Angeles who do it, or Chicago's Cabrini Green that do this. Of course liberals will defend that position. But when Ann Coulter does it to preserve privacy, they demand a hanging! LOL.
However, if it's a crime, and if it is punishable, then fine. But, until then I wouldn't file this under "Republican Corruption". If you would defend higher income families in suburbia to block inner city kids from going to their high schools by way of false address I think we would be on the same page. But I tell ya right now, most liberals would not.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 4:56 pm PT...
Ol' Crafty..
Do you see the irony that "voter fraud", that is people voting improperly (more than once, in different locations than they are supposed to, under other peoples names, et c.), is the anchor of the far-rights election reform argument - and lo and behold, Ann Coulter allegedly did exactly that?
Talk about 'conspiracy theories'! The far-right believes that angry liburals around the country are conspiring to stuff ballot boxes with hundreds of fraudulent votes, put on a fake mustache and stuff them with even more votes, and get hundreds of their illegal alien friends to vote under fake names! - And that is why we must have photo ID, a drivers license, thumb print, bioscan, and national ID card just to vote! While in reality, the type of voter fraud allegedly committed by Mann Coulter is just an isolated case - the real threat to election integrity being voting machines that can lose track of votes and malfunction, corrupting the election process from the top down.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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thecoolmacdude
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:16 pm PT...
OleCraftyLiberals (#10): EVERYTHING!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:22 pm PT...
bvac #9,
Once again you've made me ill!
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Mark
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:52 pm PT...
Politics has gotten out of hand today. The same people on TV calling everyone idiots and criminals, are the same ones committing the crimes. Then its people like oldcraftyliberal who stand by them just because they are in the same party... If it was some black guy who voted in the wrong county, he'd be feathered already but since its Ann Coulter, a hypocrit, she's allowed to explain herself... go figure
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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OldCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 6:42 pm PT...
BVAC, you are trying to make a case of conservative hypocrisy with the "alleged" screaming of conservatives that allege voter fraud with liberals stuffing ballot boxes. Honestly, I have said nothing like that, and to the contrary it seems to be liberals that are alleging the voter fraud. Of course they haven't won an election in sometime, so I cannot say as I blame them as creating this as their strategy for clearing by the big old mystery of why they have been unsuccessful at presidential elections. If your side stops harping in masses about it, then I'll inform the 5 Republicans that are alleging it on your side. Is it a deal?
Mark, everyone in this country is allowed to explain themselves. Here in this case, we are talking about a woman (who liberals just happen to hate) who voted in a different precinct that she should have. This thing (just because it's Ann Coulter) has gotten so out of hand that everyone on here seems to disregard the fact that newspaper articles simply say that she voted in a wrong district. Cities have multiple precincts and districts, if you are trying to prove that she voted more than once in the same precinct, or trying to prove that she voted in 2 precincts, then yes I can understand the carping. However, you and I both know that if this was an everyday "black man" or a white man even, it wouldn't even be on the news!!!
So to clarify, there should not be a double standard if Coulter is proven to have intentionally committed a crime. #1 that it even was a crime and #2 that there was intent to manipulate the outcome. If it were a black man and both points proved probable in his case, I would absolutely support his right to explain himself.
Don't make allegations against me because I'm looking from a different perspective. But then again, your peeps make allegations alot, so I should be used to it by now.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Annangrybitch
said on 3/30/2006 @ 6:46 pm PT...
Ah yeah, Ann-Hole-Coulter, another RIGHT WING NUT screaming "I diden't do it" like Delay / Kenny boy Lay and the DUKE, YEAH RIGHT, Rush dosen't doctor shop for his high either,...... Ha !
You know why these A-Holes are rich, because even more stupid A-Holes support them !
Wake up America, realize that the RIGHT WING NUTS are just that - NUTS and doing it on your dime !
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onyx
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:02 pm PT...
Stop dumping on OldCrafty. I feel bad that I did. He's over his head here. Be kind.
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:07 pm PT...
Note: Code Words Being Used "oldcraftyliberals" Means those . . . . . Liberal Jews.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:13 pm PT...
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ice to see you, BVAC...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:17 pm PT...
oldcraftyliberals: "they haven't won an election in sometime"
No kidding! It's because of the e-vote machines you idiot! How do you explain the advent of GOP donor e-vote machines and the GOP takeover of our government and the exit polls consistently pointing out e-vote fraud? People like you are the problem! "Liberals" weren't screaming vote fraud when Reagan & Bush I won, because the exit polls coincided with the final count.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:19 pm PT...
And Cheney's hunting accident. You mean, the one where the vice-president was drinking and shot someone in the face and the person who got shot apologized to Cheney? That one? YOU are bringing it up, not us! You have typical rightwing mentality. I wonder why people like you even post on blogs like this, I really wonder.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:23 pm PT...
I smell conservatives . . . . I hope they realize they are in The No Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuull Shit Zone.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:24 pm PT...
BVAC, you are trying to make a case of conservative hypocrisy with the "alleged" screaming of conservatives that allege voter fraud with liberals stuffing ballot boxes. Honestly, I have said nothing like that, and to the contrary it seems to be liberals that are alleging the voter fraud. Of course they haven't won an election in sometime, so I cannot say as I blame them as creating this as their strategy for clearing by the big old mystery of why they have been unsuccessful at presidential elections. If your side stops harping in masses about it, then I'll inform the 5 Republicans that are alleging it on your side. Is it a deal?
Ol' Crafty Lib
I never said you personally made the claim. It's groups like the phony voting-rights group ACVR that make wild claims of massive fraud perpetrated by individual voters. There is nothing "alleged" about the fact that the tactic of right-wing groups is to tighten up individual voting rights to the point of disenfranchisement, instead of addressing the crucial problem of unreliable voting machines, each of which controls hundreds or even thousands of votes.
These election advocates, or 'liberals' as your brain can only comprehend, do not scream and shout about 'voter fraud'. It's called 'election fraud'. As in, the process is corrupted not by individual voters, but by the electoral 'machinery' so to speak. Electronic voting machines are systemically flawed and threaten the process from the top down.
I'm sorry you can't see the irony in a right-winger, who would otherwise freak out if this happened to an elderly black woman in Florida, allegedly committing voter fraud. I'm also sorry that your brain cannot cope with nuance and ambiguity and must divide important issues into "left" and "right". This stuff isn't about democrats and republicans, conservative and liberal, it's about the foundation of our electoral process crumbling away because of incompetent programmers and crappy machines.
Lastly, I find it amusing that you think this is some kind of democratic strategy. Like, I don't know, gay marriage ballot initiatives?
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:26 pm PT...
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:32 pm PT...
We're forgetting, this dude is fighting for a hatemonger who calls arabs "ragheads", and jokes about murdering Bill Clinton. This shows his makeup. Defending this hatemonger and liar. And he's an idiot, because Colter is just using these people to make money, she doesn't care about them. Hate sells with people like this. That's why she commands top dollar to pitch hate speeches at conservative conventions. It get's all their blood flowing, all her hate speech. Like a lynch-mob.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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OldCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:34 pm PT...
"I wonder why people like you even post on blogs like this, I really wonder."
To lament on the major cult factor in these parts. To remind those so sucked in by it that there is non-conspitatorial common ground. EVEN to remind the opposition that spending time on Ann Coulter voting on the wrong side of town isn't going to do much for election results for their party.
You think America's "heartland" cares about issues like this enough to win you an election?
So yes, normal individuals who live in the real world can come on blogs to check out the hype and converse with those so deep in their own crap that it would take a 2 ton caterpillar lift to get them out. - frankly because it's fun.
Fun to show how one different perspective can tap into so much rage. (or is this the accepting liberal love we keep hearing about?)
Tell me, do you blather this way in normal everyday life? At work, in social groups? I can see why you are so possessive of a blog.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:55 pm PT...
Ann coulter is a one man Freak Show . . . . . and everybody likes a Freak Show . . . . . It's A MAN, Baby!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:59 pm PT...
Ol' Crafty,
You're a piece of work alright. I'm really, really sorry you can't handle the irony of the situation. You're freaking out over this post by Brad more than anyone else here, and I'm starting to worry. Just let the grown ups handle things like election integrity. A citizenry that wishes to be both ignorant and free wants what never was, and what will never be. Take THAT to the "heartland".
I ask, when coworkers are gathered at the watercooler, do you butt in and say "Hey fellas! Ain't those liburals such wacky bitter moonbats!? Why don't they just quit whining and enjoy the freedoms that our Leader George Bush provides for them?!"
Heh. Major cult factor. Priceless.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/30/2006 @ 8:14 pm PT...
It's much more fun to talk to Goats than most righties . . .
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OldCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 8:24 pm PT...
Hey BVAC. Are you sure you read all my posts? I'm not freaking out over this because I know that nothing is going to happen to Coulter for this (I wouldn't be freaking out even if it was).
It's just fun trying to understand the opposition.
What's confusing to me is the concept of how "certain" Americans seemed to be overwhelmed with the presumption of innocence when it comes to The Patriot Act or when it comes to terror suspects at Gitmo or when it comes to listening to cell phone conversations of men who want to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge.
BUT IN THE CASE OF ANN COULTER VOTING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF TOWN..............lol.
Okay........it was fun, I'll let ya have your floor back .
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OldCraftyLiberals
said on 3/30/2006 @ 8:26 pm PT...
Correction: Certain Americans seem to overwhelmed with CONCERN for the presumption of innocence.
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 8:32 pm PT...
Ol' Crafty craft,
You're "freaking out" over this by making such a BIG DEAL about it. You're trying to make it seem like people are frothing at the mouth over this, when you were so quick to jump all over this thread that you got the #2 comment in. Try focusing on the real issues here, which I addressed in my posts but you conveniently ignored, instead of this amusing side-story.
Why you "oppose" secure elections is beyond me, but at least attempt to think beyond right and left.
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Stan Russell
said on 3/30/2006 @ 9:45 pm PT...
You people, the anti-Coulter's are desperate. Did she register in more than ane precinct, did she vote more than once?
I used to move frequently and if an election came before I changed my registeration, I simply went to my old precinct, to vote. I was never called to task on this, guess, I was a bad, bad,bad felon and didn't know it.
You Liberals remind me of a bunch of retarted monkeys running around looking up dead horses asses trying find things that aren't. You would be funny if it were not such a serious matter
Wish you would get rid of all your hate and contribute something worthwhile instead of always trying to tear down.
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bvac
said on 3/30/2006 @ 9:53 pm PT...
Stan,
Someone oughta put poison in your creme bulee.
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lenny
said on 3/30/2006 @ 11:46 pm PT...
When was the last time a Black male was allowed thirty days to explain away a felony?
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World Facts
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:26 am PT...
Lets get down to the bottom line here.
Ann Coulter committed a felony and voted outside of the actual required voting district. If she can't even prove her residency there, then there is no story here. She'll be convicted aka fined.
If she can, then this will become an interesting case. It sure gives new meaning to the word "think before you leap"!!!!! Apparently all the real neocons are concerned about this roughing up Coulter, because it will.
This is a game aka a contest: We are the winners, those who stand for justice.
World Facts
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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Lori
said on 3/31/2006 @ 2:42 am PT...
How come people defending Coulter never address the fact that he is really a man in disguise?
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Dredd
said on 3/31/2006 @ 5:39 am PT...
Senate Hearing on Censure of Bush
WHEN
Friday, Mar. 31, 2006
9:30 a.m. (Eastern Time I think)
Committee
Judiciary
Agenda
To hold hearings
to examine the call to censure
the President.
SH-216
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
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gr8fully
said on 3/31/2006 @ 6:15 am PT...
"You Liberals remind me of a bunch of retarted monkeys running around looking up dead horses asses trying find things that aren't. You would be funny if it were not such a serious matter
Wish you would get rid of all your hate and contribute something worthwhile instead of always trying to tear down."
Stan, you suck, but seriously can you tell me one thing the current administration has done right? Just one......didn't think so, pardon some of us for wanting our presidents elected and not selected, and for wanting elections where the actual votes are counted, conservative right wing nuts have ruined america, fuck them all
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roooth
said on 3/31/2006 @ 6:41 am PT...
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rickrocket
said on 3/31/2006 @ 6:58 am PT...
#45 - Stan Russell, if you are going to call someone retarded, you probably want to spell "retarted" correctly. Also, who is trying to tear down anything? Upholding the law used to be a virtue in this country, but those who are above the law (Big Oil, Big Lobbying, Big Republican Hate-Mongers) seem to think they are exempt. If you really want to be a patriot to your country and do the right thing, OPEN YOUR EYES. Put down your bible and pick up the constitution. READ IT! Its contents actually exist. See what you are entitled to in this world, and how your government is taking that away from you with your own consent. Ann Coulter is a blight on our country, and the fact that some people would actually defend her in any way just shows the level of brainwashing propaganda that has actually stuck in our society.
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Audrey
said on 3/31/2006 @ 7:03 am PT...
#45 Stan,
"Retarted monkeys"? Last time I looked, the word was spelled "retarded". Which one are you, retarted or retarded?
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Cynic
said on 3/31/2006 @ 7:05 am PT...
@stan #45:
What you "used" to do is no longer acceptable, due to laws pushed by conservative activists. In many states, you need more than one form of ID, including a state-issued photo ID, in order to vote.
You know that "personal responsibility" thing that conservatives love to blovate about? Ms. Coulter should take some of it and quit making excuses for herself. Whatever her motives might have been, the law is the law.
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/31/2006 @ 7:35 am PT...
"How come people defending Coulter never address the fact that he is really a man in disguise?"
"Not to be snarky, but does Ann have a girlfriend???"
Should it matter than Ann is a tranny? Or a lesbian?
Liberals go around portraying themselves as the party of acceptance, but when it better suits their agenda they will shine the BIGGEST spotlight of shame onto the gay and transgendered community - AS LONG as it better attacks Ann Coulter.
The "Convenience" party strikes again! But that darm evil Ann Coulter voted on the wrong side of the tracks! Darn her.
With this stunning new "development" I managed to sleep pretty good last night....LOL
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paula
said on 3/31/2006 @ 7:49 am PT...
ann coulter is registered to vote in ct. i am trying to get this info to brad
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Timmy
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:05 am PT...
OLECRAFTY,
Just like a conservative, drag the debate down into the muck, then cry when you get dirty. This is I believe page 7 of the KKKarl Rove handbook on conservative political discourse.
Mann Coulter is an expert at this technique, so stop apologizing for her in your condescending, pseudo-educated way.
She has made a career out of attacking and abusing AMERICANS with left-leaning views on multiple issues. If you can't see how that might persuade some folks to take a sharper view of her and incline them to abuse her right back...I'm not surprised at all.
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big dan
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:08 am PT...
OldCraftyLiberals: Perhaps you're mistakenly on the wrong site. You should be on Rush Limbaugh's site.
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big dan
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:11 am PT...
I don't give a crap about Ann Coulter. If she's on TV, I turn the channel...if her column is in the newspaper, I don't read it.
But I am interested in a source reporting her hypocrisy.
She's a hatemongering rightwing neo-con (not a conservative), and anyone who defends her has problems. This is very simple: OldCraftyLiberal---you've got problems! Case closed! Go to Rush Lim-BOOB's site.
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Audrey
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:15 am PT...
This is what Ann Coulter said in her Nov 10, 2000 column about the elderly having difficulty with their butterfly ballots in Florida.
"I love those jackasses claiming they meant to vote for Al Gore but - whoops - slipped and pulled the lever for Buchanen instead! Oh really. Let's pretend that's true. Sorry, but that's one of the disabilities of being a political party that preys on the stupid. Sometimes your "base" forgets it's Election Day, too. Live by demagoguing to the feeble-minded, die by demagoguing to the feeble-minded."
Now do we get to call Ann Coulter a jackass and stupid and feeble-minded?
By the way, OLECRAPPY, better lay off the laughing gas, it's affecting your mind.
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:33 am PT...
OldCraftyLiberal -
Okay, we get it - you don't think that committing fraud, a felony that is punishable by up to a $5,000 fine and 5 years in jail, is any big deal.
I'm sure your argument of "she just voted on the wrong side of the tracks" will hold up in court. I'm sure the judge will just look at her and say, "Oh well, that's different then - nevermind" In fact, you might want to go ahead and get your "congratulations" letter ready to send to Coulter as soon as this is over. (I wouldn't mail it yet though - she's got too many addresses already, and if this DOES involve more than one state as it's starting to appear, there's no telling WHERE she'll be residing after it goes through the courts)
And we get that no matter how simply we try to put it, you just can't comprehend the irony that the person who committed fraud is someone who's been raving about people she alleges committed fraud. That's okay dear, just don't think about it - some things are just above your ability to comprehend.
Now, just try to stay out of the way while we take care of the problems with elections in this country. You can read about it in the papers when it's over.
And you're welcome.
Everybody else - Think Ann Coulter will smile in her mugshot like Tom Delay? Maybe she should borrow Jack Abramoff's Fedora, or Martha Stewart's poncho....
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Dredd
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:53 am PT...
Another republican, like Coulter, denied everything screaming out righteous indignation ... right up to the time of pleading guilty:
"Tony Rudy, a former top aide to Rep. Tom DeLay, has agreed to plead guilty to charges in the widening federal investigation of lobbyist fraud, a law enforcement official said Friday" (link here).
Yep, Rush was a drug addict while condemning drug addicts, and commits felonies while condemning felonies ... its the way of corruption.
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/31/2006 @ 10:04 am PT...
I'd love for someone to ask Ann Counter why she voted at all, ESPECIALLY given the legal issues surrounding her legal residence.
After all, she's said several times that women aren't as bright as men, and shouldn't have the right to vote. Why did she risk prison to do what she thinks she shouldn't be allowed to do anyway?
Ya know, I can't imagine willingly diminishing and disparaging my own gender the way she does. It's sad and twisted. Maybe the prison psychologist can get at the root of her self-loathing and help her turn around the legacy of hate that has become analogous with the name "Ann Coulter"
This could, in the long run, be the best thing that's ever happened to her.
Of course, she'll lose a lot of fans if she doesn't feed the hate, so, maybe not.
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james
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:13 pm PT...
:P i dont care i would still fuck her skinny ass
from da back side :crazy: :laugh:
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sd;glvjn;
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:19 pm PT...
anyone who has a cindy shehand link on there site is a raveing lunatic move out of yalls parents hose and get a life
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Brad
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:51 pm PT...
OleCraftyLiberal contained to display his keen lack of knowledge or education on this matter by asserting:
BVAC, you are trying to make a case of conservative hypocrisy with the "alleged" screaming of conservatives that allege voter fraud with liberals stuffing ballot boxes. Honestly, I have said nothing like that, and to the contrary it seems to be liberals that are alleging the voter fraud.
Go learn something about this matter, OCL, and then come back and visit us.
You're clearly over your head, walking in him armed without any facts or education on the matter.
We welcome all sides of the debate. Those in favor of electoral integrity and those against it, as you seem to be, but it's certainly more impressive when those against it, actually know what they are talking about.
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/31/2006 @ 2:24 pm PT...
"We welcome all sides of the debate. Those in favor of electoral integrity and those against it, as you seem to be, but it's certainly more impressive when those against it, actually know what they are talking about."
LOL, I have seen your strong sense of welcoming for adversity just by pokin around.
As for the allegation of not knowing what I am talking about, I do believe I illustrated my position. If you're going to correct me on what I know and don't know why don't you try substantiating it with concrete example.
For instance: rebutting my words with a GIVEN fact that Republicans are screaming and crying about election fraud as much as liberals are.
You don't win a debate by declaring that someone is "over their head" or some does not "know what they are talking about" (broad general liberal accusations without fact seems to be good enough for your folk but the real world operates a bit differently outside of blogland - that is only assuming that you truly intend to make a change outside the parameters of cyberworld) and then dismiss it...you have to make a case with fact.
Then to add insult to injury you assert "we welcome all sides of debate".
Words are nice...but where's the backup?
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 3/31/2006 @ 2:32 pm PT...
Moreover; I celebrate that liberals bathe in this kind of stuff. I have no problem with it because I certainly know the general response to it within America's heartland. It makes liberals look insane, thus losing the moderate swing voters that liberals so desperately need to actually win something.
Don't believe me? I'll be back after November to discuss the results. Probably won't do anygood, liberals will just allege "voter fraud"..LOL.
My party is in power...I'm happy about that. I sincerely do enjoy the other perspective no matter how crazy I think it is. Though honestly, and I don't mean to patronize or make fun of, I have to say I don't see the seriousness of liberal screamers who have a valid solid serious plan to change the presidency or the seats in the Senate or the House.
To be frank. it seems almost as liberal enjoy Republicans in power simply so they can carp. I mean seriously, if Gore would have been elected what would we all be doing today?
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/31/2006 @ 3:59 pm PT...
Old Phony Republican . . . . . Don't let the door hit ya where tha good lord split ya .
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Dailkoswillbanu
said on 3/31/2006 @ 8:11 pm PT...
Besides it's sex change ! looks like mAnn Coulter has had some serious plastic sugery done to it's face .
mAnn Coulter is almost 50 yrs old . Born in 1960
according to Time magazine !
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bvac
said on 3/31/2006 @ 9:08 pm PT...
if Gore would have been elected what would we all be doing today?
I dunno. Not be in Iraq?
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Ed
said on 3/31/2006 @ 10:05 pm PT...
TO COMMENT #69
Q: if Gore would have been elected what would we all be doing today?
Hmmmm,
We might have a government that respects the Constitution.
We would likely NOT have illegal wiretapping of US citizens.
We would likely NOT have a nearly 10 TRILLION dollar debt.
The dollar would be stronger.
We might not have to worry about the embarrassment of our soldiers being involved in TORTURE SCANDALS.
The 2000 dead kids who lost their lives in Iraq might still be alive, dating their girlfriends, getting married, having kids of their own, enjoying life. But I guess that's just not possible now. Dead kids. Had to have them. Because you had to have your "conservative" president.
YOU elected him. Those dead kids are YOUR dead kids. You killed them. And if you're not sorry for that, then you're just plain sorry.
You're a coward because you fear "liberals" more than you have the balls to stand up for the Constitution and REAL moral values. Your morals and values, and those of your president, are fake. You are full of venom and poison and God will never forgive you. Enjoy hell. It's all yours.
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Amusing
said on 4/1/2006 @ 2:07 am PT...
Just got to love that the party of dead voters, cigarettes in exchange for votes, false claims about state wins, and count-'em-'til-I-win lawsuits suddenly decided they have some problem with someone voting in the wrong precinct. At least Ann Coulter (to your great sorrow; I am fully aware) is [i]alive[/i].
See, there's a simple reason why such stories as this are published in the Brad-blog: You are all idiots. And being idiots, you are therefore protected from actual common sense by your fellow idiots--as long as your whack-ass theory is hateful enough, they will not only adopt it but expand upon it, until you have passed beyond "biased", beyond "dishonest", beyond "Propoganda", and reached levels of purely asinine dishonesty normally reserved for DailyKOS, DU, and people who wander around the streets of New York screaming that aliens are eating their brains.
OCL, one thing you have to keep in mind is that only twice has a Democrat president gotten the majority of the vote since FDR. The American people, (despite the polls constantly trumpeted by the "Conservative MSM") do not elect liberals. That's why the only Democrat president for the last quarter-century got there by pretending to be a conservative--remember how Clinton was a "New Democrat"? By pretending to be conservative, the Democratic party actually managed to put one of their own in the White House.
Thanks to these idiots, not only can we see what utter disdain liberals hold the United States of America in, but the Democratic party, due to their pressure, will never be able to run another fake conservative. We should thank them, because their idiocy has assured that their hateful, twisted and disastrous ideology will never again be national policy.
And Ed, the first difference is that we'd be speaking Arabic. To assume that a candidate who attempted to steal an election would have respect for the Constitution is just one of those things I read when formulating the above-mentioned theory.
Those 2000 dead men and women ([i]not[/i] kids) are ours? Good. We're proud of them; you hate them. They [i]should[/i] be ours. And the women in Uday and Qusay's rape-rooms? Guess wich end of the political spectrum was out there defending Saddam's regime? Still opposing its removal? They're your rape and murder victims. The children raped in front of their fathers to extract confessions? Your rape victims. the people who had ears cut off for speaking out against Sodom? The folks in the mass graves? THe ones fed into plastic-shredders feet-first? Alllll yours. Coward.
Meanwhile, take a look at islam. If those guys didn't hate America, you'd hate them as much as you do everybody else.
But hey--I guess since they're the enemy of your enemy....
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.....
said on 4/1/2006 @ 2:37 am PT...
When you are losing an argument on substance, call your opponent a racist:
his is I believe page 7 of the KKKarl Rove handbook on conservative political discourse.
If that doesn't work, or isn't applicable, call them an anti-semite:
Note: Code Words Being Used "oldcraftyliberals" Means those . . . . . Liberal Jews.
(Just pretend you didn't say anything, if it's possible this argument can be turned around on you):
Ann Coulter appears to behave like an over-the-hill aging Jewish Princess. Is she a Jewess?
If you hate your opponent too much to think straight, go ahead with the personal attack--you can always pretend you didn't later on:
How come people defending Coulter never address the fact that he is really a man in disguise?
I'm still waiting for Coulter's beastiality pics to surface.
OlCraftyLiberal, they've got a point. Go somewhere else, man. They're going to launch one personal attack after another until you finally realize you'd have more success trying to explain particle physics to kindergarten students. Look at how much time you've spent on it already, and what progress has it gotten you? Go do something constructive with your time, accep the fact that they'll pretend you ran away from them, and people like you and me can work on fixing the problems while people like those I listed above--and like Friedman himself--can spend their time quite happily talking shit about their betters.
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GOPHater
said on 4/1/2006 @ 6:35 am PT...
I say, give her to al Kaeda. You could cut her head off with a butter knife.
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Christopher
said on 4/1/2006 @ 7:58 am PT...
I love the image of Annthrax doing 30 days in jail for voter fraud.
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/1/2006 @ 9:10 am PT...
75 - Thank you for pointing out the Systemic Hypocrocy of the republiKan party . . .
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bvac
said on 4/1/2006 @ 9:12 am PT...
Looks like Amusing won "the battle of ideas" this time! I just can't compete with that kind of intellectual honesty!
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 4/1/2006 @ 11:24 am PT...
We're wrestling with pigs again y'all - we're getting dirty and the pigs are loving it.
Just give it time to go through the legal system. Those who defend Coulter now won't show back up here again after all is said and done - they never do. In the meantime, we can get on with the business of taking back our country.
And now that some of the REPUBLICANS are worried about the voting machines (since it was announced that Hugo Chavez might have a hand in choosing our next president via Sequoia), I'm betting dollars to donuts that the voting machine issue will start appearing on rightwing websites soon (if it hasn't already). At least it's finally making it into mainstream media - how many years after we started sounding the alarm?
It's like we said all along, it's not about left and right, it's about right and wrong.
As far as Coulter, she's like the trolls who come here - just mosquitos buzzing around our ears - blood sucking little irritants who never contribute anything positive to any side of ANY issue, who just flit around and makes annoying noises and never do anything of any significance.
If Coulter goes to jail, at least she'll be out of the way for awhile - be thankful for small favors. The trolls, unfortunately, will always be around.
I'm still betting she'll attempt to use the "stalker" excuse for giving a false address, even after the crap she pulled on Lydia Cornell and HER family.
The word "scruples" isn't in her vocabulary.
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JB
said on 4/1/2006 @ 5:15 pm PT...
hmmm...
As an outsider, looking at the legal system you have, I'm assuming that Ann will get away with it, in the same way as Rush gets away with traficking prescription drugs, Prez gets away with blowing through FISA, and Jacko with interferring with small boys...in other words, if you have the money, you're off the hook
In short, you are a nation of laws, but you do not trouble youselves with the effort of upholding them.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/1/2006 @ 5:53 pm PT...
JB . . . Ain't that the truth. Shit Walks & Money Talks .. .. ..
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Bluebear2
said on 4/1/2006 @ 5:54 pm PT...
Amusing #74 said:
"... the people who had ears cut off for speaking out against Sodom?"
"Sodom?" Now that's what I call amusing!
Ignorance prevails!
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Ed
said on 4/1/2006 @ 6:29 pm PT...
Amusing's IQ is rather low as evidenced by his poor spelling, grammatical errors, and horrifying bad non-sequiturs. (I doubt he understands what a non-sequitur is.)
Interesting that he is proud of the fact that his party allowed our soldiers (those soldiers he says he supports), to die for absolutely nothing--at least nothing noble. Of course, his little mind thinks that they died to keep us from "speaking Arabic." He is a very very fearful person if he thinks that the "Arabs" are an actual threat. He has bought the whole "War on Terr'" lie hook, line and sinker.
The truth is, there is no nation that is truly a threat to the US. We have a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, we have biologicals, we have economic weapons, etc. The "War on Terr'" as Bush calls it, (another low IQ moron), is just a ruse to make some big cash for his cronies and control (steal) the Middle East Oil.
If "Amusing" doesn't see that, then he is a lot more dumb than I thought. But this is typical of a low-brow brainwashed conservative.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/1/2006 @ 7:44 pm PT...
Right on ED. The Iraq war is nothing less than .. .. ..
"Wealthy THUGS Robbing The WORLD's BIGGEST GAS STATION with the U.S. Military"
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
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OLECRAFTYLIBERALS
said on 4/1/2006 @ 8:14 pm PT...
I read Amusings points and came back to see the responses.
I'm glad liberals' political debating is summed up with the critique of spelling and grammatical errors.
I've read many progressives on here with their "grammatical errors" and they are never denounced. Amusing's post and the post that followed are filled with facts. None of which were challenged.
Ann Coulter's book "Slander" has an entire chapter devoted to this type of argument fashion from liberals. Just come out and say "you're stupid" to avoid answering any of the debate or points made in the post - which by the way were excellent.
If I went through every blog on here and counted the misspellings from liberals, you would attack me as being a "typical conservative" who is dodging the ideas.
Amusing's post was funny, and stocked full of truth...find me one "lie" in his post and challenge it. Take all the time you need .
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Bluebear2
said on 4/1/2006 @ 9:38 pm PT...
Olecrafty #86 said:
"Just come out and say "you're stupid" to avoid answering any of the debate or points made in the post"
Ann Coulter said:
"They are either traitors or idiots"
"Springing naturally to their traitorous positions"
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 4/1/2006 @ 10:01 pm PT...
Olecrafty #86 said:
[Liberals] "Just come out and say "you're stupid" to avoid answering any of the debate or points made"
Ann Coulter said:
"They are either traitors or idiots"
"Springing naturally to their traitorous positions"
"the Treason Party sprang to action"
"Liberals hid their traitorous conduct"
"Democrats' treasonous stupidity"
"the Democrats' treasonous calculations"
"liberals would lie"
"Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason,"
"liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence."
"the left's treasonous scheme"
"They aim to destroy America from the inside with their relentless attacks on morality and the truth"
"Democrats always had mysterious objections"
"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do."
"Principle is nothing to liberals"
"Liberals are always wrapping their comically irrelevant charges in a haze of lies"
"Fifty years of treason hasn't slowed them down"
So who's calling the kettle black?
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 4/1/2006 @ 10:27 pm PT...
Ole' Crafty still can't address a single issue I raise in any of my posts, I see.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/1/2006 @ 10:37 pm PT...
These folks continue to demonstrate that CONservatism is an innate character flaw.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
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This is even better than I thought....
said on 4/1/2006 @ 11:09 pm PT...
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/1/2006 @ 11:35 pm PT...
91 - Lucy Splain to me why New York City is so LIB-ER-AL even after 9/11 ???????????????????????????
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 4/2/2006 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Bluebear (I will address you since you went out of your way to post the most quotes)
and the others:
I am not against invective. Sometimes in order to get certain kinds of people to listen up, you have to make them enraged. Either side of the political spectrum is allowed to use it. I can take it, and I can dish it.
Amusing used plenty of invective in his post. Yeah sometimes I suppose it's nicer to pass out lollipops and hold hands. However, these posts in regard to Ann Coulter or George Bush or Tom Delay on here are hardly "hand-holding let's work together" posts. They are inflammatory.
The invective that I criticized was not hypocritical only in the fact that Amusing's invective to liberals in general was backed up. He fully explained why liberals were insane - and even moreso explained how only two Democrat candidates since FDR actually got the majority of the country to vote for them. The response to his/her points was "you're stupid"..basically. The only thing addressed was the misspelling of Saddam. The post was filled with A LOT of words and a lot of correct spellings and properly used grammar as well.
So when conservatives like Amusing and Coulter use invective and have backup to prove the invective, it's fine. When liberals use it solely for the purpose of brushing everything else aside so they don't have to deal with it, it's dishonest and well....doesn't get them far.
BVAC we had an exchange about Coulter voting in an incorrect precinct. I am sorry if you feel I did not address your "points". I did say that if Coulter committed a crime that that can be proven with intent that she should be treated no differently than anyone else.
The bigger point I am trying to make - and I guess I would have loved to hear you comment on - was the factor of "presumption of innocence" and the concern that liberals hold for it in terms of the Patriot Act or in terms of listening to cell phone chats of guys conspiring to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge.
Am I just crazy to assume that the concern for presuming the innocence of suspected Arab terrorists is higher than the concern for presuming the innocence of Ann Coulter or Tom Delay?
That would be a great conversation.
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 4/2/2006 @ 2:37 pm PT...
Ol' Crafty
If you read my posts again, you'll see that I precisely did NOT engage you in an argument about Coulter allegedly voting in the incorrect precinct. Perhaps that is what you were ranting to others about, but my sole purpose was to show you that the main thrust of the original article was not so much to pin down Coulter as a felon, but to show the irony of her situation and the hypocrisy that she displays. Then I proceeded to accurately outline the right-wing strategy of blaming the integrity of elections on a conspiracy of individual voter fraud and offering 'solutions' that would effectively disenfranchise thousands of voters, instead of addressing the REAL issue of faulty electronic voting machines that can nullify an entire election single-handedly. Instead of dealing with this, you continued to harp on your paranoid delusion that 'liberals' care more about protecting the rights of terrorists than presuming the innocence of Ann Coulter. I think we can both agree that when you resort to blaming the other of siding with terrorists, you've lost the argument.
Just as you tried to distort the argument with false allegations about liberals, you are now trying to distort the argument of civil liberties and national security.
Even though Brad made no presumption of guilt in his original post, conflating that with the issues surrounding the patriot act and warrantless wiretapping is a cheap ploy on your part. Yes, you are just plain crazy to assume that there is a concern for the innocence of "Arab terrorists", but that is how your brain is conditioned to perceive things: your heroic Republican President is doing everything he can to fight off evil, while liberals only care about defending Al Qaeda and planting flowers. And of course: anyone who disagrees with the President is automatically a liberal.
An honest open-minded conversation would be interesting, but unfortunately it is not what you seek.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 4/2/2006 @ 2:56 pm PT...
OCL - Forget the argument about "conservative vs liberal" and "Democrat vs Republican" for a moment please. Talk to me on a human level.
I have no problem with wiretaps that listen in on the cell phones of someone planning to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. That's what the FISA laws are for.
So why do you think our government feels that Quaker homeschoolers are so dangerous they need to wiretap their church?
Or that Veterans for Peace is such a dangerous group that there is surveillance at all major peace rallies?
I know a lot of these people, I spend time with them, often trying to raise money to help military families and put pressure on our Congress members to demand full funding of the VA and do what is right by our soldiers. (Note: We also spend a lot of time working within our school system, and putting pressure on Congress to fund our schools and stop pulling funds from arts, special ed, and gifted programs to try and meet the NCLB requirements, which are, btw, nowhere NEAR fully funded)
The people I work with on these issues are not terrorists - by ANY definition of the word. They want to make the world better for our children.
Why would you not presume them innocent?
What did they do to make our government think they are dangerous?
What is everyone so afraid of?
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 4/2/2006 @ 4:34 pm PT...
OCL & Amusings (and the others) - I don't have time to police this thread. Knock off the *personal* attacks on other commenters. Period.
As to one commetn OCL made in ref to Amusings:
The invective that I criticized was not hypocritical only in the fact that Amusing's invective to liberals in general was backed up.
Really? Lessee, here's just one completely phony, not backed-up comment, assertion from Amusings:
Guess wich end of the political spectrum was out there defending Saddam's regime?
Okay, I'll guess. Was it Reagan's spectrum who supported him for years?
Was it this guy, from a political spectrum you're well familiar with?
That's Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with his friend Saddam, in case you can't recognize him through your blinders.
Defend America haters such as Coulter all you wish. And remember to remind us how you are "Uniters not dividers" when you finish.
I'll stick with the Conservatives, Liberals and Progressives who love our country a helluva more than that. The era of your discredited partisan bullshit is over. Join us for the good of our country. Or be left behind in the shame margins of the history books with Coulter, Bush and the other fake conservatives.
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
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Gaia sighs...
said on 4/2/2006 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Alas, I'm afraid we will be hearing less from dear Ann in the days to come. I understand she's having difficulty making herself heard over the sound of her own rumbling bowels.
Which is perfectly understandable. After all, such disruptions of digestion have notoriously been known to occur in those plagued with the ex-post-facto realization that some untoward action on their part will likely result in a felony conviction... and certain disbarment.
And thus, the gravy train will grind to a halt, fire sales on Florida properties will be held, the wailing and lamenting of weasels will pervade the Right as Perversion is frog-marched to the slammer... and, all-in-all, the world will be a bit better off.
Better off, that is, from the perspective of those who have failed to invest their time or lives in frantic observation of either re-tarted monkeys or lipsticked pigs.
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 4/3/2006 @ 9:15 am PT...
Crazy day here at work, but in case Brad comes back, I have one question.
You seem to throw out the attitude when push starts coming to shove that you are fair and balanced and it doesn't matter conservative vs liberal what have you, blah blah blah.
I haven't fully scoured this site as I am a busy person and just sign on to it for fun (as well as others - I have to say your site isn't as ridiculous as the things said on Huffington or Media Matters - those sites are REALLY fun) but I am curious as to why you have never blogged on the ridiculous things said by Michael Moore or Al Franken or Katrina Vandenheuvel.
Aren't these characters just as dangerous to the progressive movement as Coulter is to conservatism? Listening to some of their invective against Republicans, isn't that sort of helping to ensure that Democrats will never win an election?
What about Bill Maher? He's funny, smart, can debate. Him and Ann Coulter are good personal friends. Is he a traitor? Is he inflammatory or a threat?
If you are the fair minded guy that you seem to be portraying yourself as, I am just perplexed as to why it seems that we are going after ONLY Ann Coulter here (I notice you have a few posts on her - but again nothing like Huffington or Media Matters).
If we're going to clean house, I think the watchdogs need to be sniffing out the stooges I mentioned earlier.
I do believe there are good Democrats (as you all seem to believe there are good Conservatives). Alan Colmes, Bill Maher, Pat Cadell, Joe Lierberman, Zell Miller, sometimes Hillary (depending on what week it is and what side of the War rant she's standing on), and half the Democrats Ronnie Earle prosecuted in Texas .
Lastly, the picture of Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein has nothing to do with why we are there. It has been proven (as I am sure you know - assuming you have studied historical government and taken a few political science classes) that throughout the history of government and democracy that alliances have been known to switch, allies become enemies, people change. Your picture is quite the contrary in my mind to what it is liberals are trying to prove - which is that we have tried it the other way - rubbing noses with Saddam and other lunatic middle eartern leaders in the past. It didn't work. Now we are doing something.
I think everytime a Democrat in the senate (one that I hate like Barbara Boxer or Russ Feingold) complains about the Bush administration - they should be required to demonstrate a counter position with an actual idea. It might win them some votes.
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 4/3/2006 @ 11:03 am PT...
Uhh...
Saddamn ruled Iraq because we put him there.
He was at war with Iran and Kuwait because we gave him the weapons.
He gassed his own people because we let him.
If that doesn't prove Brad's point, I don't know what does. "People change" doesn't cut it - he was always that way and we knew it. Reagan and Rumsfeld were Saddam defenders. I take it, assuming you have studied historical government and taken a few political science classes, that you have the ability to trace back the real reasons for the Iraq war - and find that they have nothing to do with the imminent security of America OR the welfare of Iraqis under Saddams rule.
I think every time a soldier dies in battle, every senator, Democrat and Republican, who voted for the war should be required to explain why we are in Iraq in full detail, to that soldiers parents. Might change a few votes.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
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OleCraftyLiberals
said on 4/3/2006 @ 1:28 pm PT...
As a matter of fact, yes I did take Political Science in college, and have studied in great depth American History and the history of Democracy and various regimes.
As much as it's difficult for you to believe, our disagreement happens to seperate on our perspective. Thus creating the beautiful thing in this country that we like to call dramatic political divide.
At the time Rumsfeld met with Hussein as he was an envoy of Ronald Reagan's, Hussein was an enemy of Iran and radical Islam. He also appeared to be an enemy of communism. It was 1979 and we were in the end of the Cold War and in the throws of the Iranian Hostage Crisis when we were hit for the first time by Muslim Extremists.
I'm not quite sure from gathering our ally status you come to the conclusion that we "let him" gas hundreds of thousands, or that somehow Rumsfeld shook his hand and said 'hey man, do whatcha gotta do, just give us oil and nuke Iran'.
Frankly, Iran needs to be nuked, and it's needed to be for a long time. I believe the Israelis need to take it out before we get the chance to.
It terms of the Soviet Union, I'd say that 50 year cold war thing came to an end during the administration of that evil Reagan that went around handing out "get out of jail free" cards to dictators who slaughter their own folk (apparently Saddam must have misplaced his).
Now, if your position is that we should have handled the Soviet Union and Iran; who was our direct threat at the time, in any way differently (such as nuking the lights of them before they attacked during Carter's administration which was a horrible disastor - boy and liberals harp about Bush's response to a crisis ) I would be grateful that Democrats held any position at all that contained an idea without solely criticizing. And finally - your anger at mismanagement of war, allies, former allies, and Arab leaders should be directed at America and not solely at Republicans (if indeed you are classifying your anger at Republicans at all). If you are going to be mad at America then fine. But somewhere down the line you have to wonder when and if you will ever forgive America who in my opinion did it's best to contend with a part of the world that France left a mess to us and Britain back in the early 1900's.
The sole purpose of being angry at America is your choice, and that is fine. But (and I am not saying you solely) for liberals to attack Republican administrations and past Republican administrations solely when every average American knows that Carter mismanaged a middle eastern conflict and did nothing to contribute to the cold war conflict, then I see this as silly.
Other than your machine voting problems, I'm telling you this is exactly why Dems won't get elected. Republicans at least have the confidence to do something, with or without the approval of Barbra Streisand or the Dixie Chicks. Democrats on the other hand (other than FDR) are too concerned at how their reputation will be harmed in the eyes of the MTV generation.
Taking all of this into consideration I would say that my phrase "people change" more than cuts it. It's what we should pray for among Hollywood's elite and people who don't realize that certain Middle Eastern leaders were/are not interested in being friends, even if we foolishly believed that they were in the past.
If this was a mistake, why not learn from it?
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
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tj
said on 4/3/2006 @ 2:18 pm PT...
There should be a countdown timer to when Coulter's attorneys must have a response in to the elections supervisor (or whichever official)...on this site, preferably
That'll help keep me from going mad - "is it this week? Is this the deadline day?"...
otherwise, I'll be back to fitzgerald-watching nail-biting....
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 4/3/2006 @ 5:52 pm PT...
ann coulter will need lot's of "C" batteries when she goes away. . . . . The Alkaline ones should work for her . . .
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
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Ohm
said on 4/6/2006 @ 6:44 pm PT...
Seems like that windbag OleCraftyLiberals is still at it.. guess he's using the Shrub's technique of:
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Kind of like (as in similar to):
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
~Joseph Goebbels, Hiter's Nazi Propaganda Minister~
OCL, you are in a losing battle, and the intelligent people here are wasting their ammunition on something that is mortally wounded:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187153/
Please, for your own sake, wander off and die already, you skunk... happy trails, loser!
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
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Citizen
said on 4/7/2006 @ 10:24 am PT...
The repubs have been using their "Christian Missionaries" to travel to Democratic districts and attempt to pack their local polls. They are doing "God's" work (God being "Grand Old Dummies" or GOP)..
They travel as missionaries... stay in motels... have local addresses at churches and church member's homes in the locale... they stay long enough to vote.... and move to the next Democratic locale where their dirty deeds are needed. In this way they are able to swing district to district into their column. They have been doing this for years.
We need to catch them redhanded. I hope some young people will "go to work for GOD" and get the goods on these rats.....
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
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greggp
said on 5/4/2006 @ 10:28 am PT...
So, it's been 30 days. What's the Registrar going to do?
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
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pzazz53
said on 5/9/2006 @ 12:16 pm PT...
I, too have been trying to follow the disposition of Ms. Coulters legal delema in Florida. It appears that the deadline has past. What's happened? Did she retain Rush's attourney and it just went away like so much dirt under the carpet?
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Catnap40
said on 5/10/2006 @ 1:21 pm PT...
COMMENT #108 [Permalink]
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Debbie Bloom
said on 6/7/2006 @ 6:45 pm PT...
Registering to vote, and voting, are part of establishing residence for tax purposes in Florida. Florida has no income tax and has attracted over the decades millions of people from northern states where income tax, sales tax, property tax and estate tax are higher. The interesting part to me is that Miss Coulter (or her representatives) claim she does not live in Florida. It would be interesting to know what state she pays taxes as a resident.
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