Guest blogged by Winter Patriot
We’re probably not supposed to talk about this. So here goes.
But there is obviously some fire beneath all that smoke. Several MPs took it seriously indeed, including Blair’s former defence minister, Peter Kilfoyle, who called for the document to be made public. Then late yesterday [Tuesday], the Blair government unleashed Britain’s draconian Official Secrets Act – which is far in excess of anything in the US – threatening to prosecute any paper that published the actual contents of the memo. (The Mirror story was a paraphrase.)
This is highly unusual, given the fact that the Blair camp did not invoke the Secrets Act to stop the extremely embarrassing “Downing Street Memos” which revealed the cynical pre-invasion machinations by Bush and Blair to “fix the intelligence around the policy” of aggressive war. In fact, as the Guardian points out today, “the [Blair] government has never prosecuted editors for publishing the contents of leaked documents.” The invocation of the Secrets Act in this case essentially confirms the substance of the Mirror’s allegations; if it was all fluff, just a “joke,” why try to quash it in such a heavy-handed fashion?
It seems likely then that the story is true: Bush seriously contemplated launching an attack on Al-Jazeera’s headquarters – in the business district of Doha, Qatar’s capital – and had to be dissuaded from this madness by Blair.
As you can probably see, Chris explains things much better than I can. To tell you the truth, the whole affair leaves me practically speechless. But you can follow the story as it has developed so far, using the links and quotes below:
from Tuesday, November 22‘s edition of The Daily Mirror: EXCLUSIVE: BUSH PLOT TO BOMB HIS ARAB ALLY by Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
A source said: “There’s no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn’t want him to do it.” Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.
A source said last night: “The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush.
“He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
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A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been “humorous, not serious”.
But another source declared: “Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men.”
There’s a lot more to it; I can’t quote it all here but I think you should read the whole article.
Other news services picked up the story, along with the initial non-reactions from On High. The Guardian: ‘Blair talked Bush out of bombing’
But former defence minister Peter Kilfoyle – a leading Labour opponent of the Iraq War – called for the document to be made public.
“I believe that Downing Street ought to publish this memo in the interests of transparency, given that much of the detail appears to be in the public domain,” he told the Press Association.
“I think they ought to clarify what exactly happened on this occasion. If it was the case that President Bush wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in what is after all a friendly country, it speaks volumes and it raises questions about subsequent attacks that took place on the press that wasn’t embedded with coalition forces.”
There was even a reasonably neutral report from Yahoo! (AFP) Blair talked Bush out of bombing al-Jazeera: report
The following day [Wednesday] we find the usual White House spin from CNN: The White House characterized as “outlandish” Tuesday a British newspaper report that President Bush once discussed bombing the headquarters of Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera with Prime Minister Tony Blair.









Exactly right, Winter Patriot: If Bush had been joshing, the Official Secrets Act wouldn’t have been invoked. Blair would simply have denied Bush ever considered it, or would have said he was kidding. Using a heavy-handed tactic (the equivalent of threatening legal action against a whistleblower) means the story was accurate.
Consider the meaning of this: The neo-cons have tried to sell the Iraq invasion on the basis that we can build a democracy there to serve as an example to the surrounding area. Meanwhile we consider destroying a newspaper, the Arab world’s beacon of press freedom, headquartered in a neighboring country we’re at peace with?
Consider something else: Why would this bother Blair any more than the actual invasion of Iraq did?
The simple answer would be that he was running for reelection at home, the war was already hugely unpopular in Britain, and this would have destroyed any chance he had of staying in office. Another possibility is that his European friends would have put Bush on trial at the Hague for a war crime, and he knew it.
If the neoCon admin would consider bombing the press in a friendly foreign country, where would they stop?
Would they bomb the Australian Financial Times which has pointed out that it is becoming more and more clear where the Iraqi oil is going (link here)?
Once the oil contracts and permanent military bases to protect the oil are secured, all of a sudden the admin will be talking about how quickly the Iraqi "security" forces were able to improve.
I note that neoCondi Rice is beginning to talk about the "functions" rather than the numbers.
In other words the propaganda is beginning to say the Iraqi functionality is improving so much that the numbers of Iraqi soldiers that are capable is not so important.
The are preparing a new definition of "victory" to push down the throats of americans and the world thru the US MSM.
They may want to bomb the BLOGS somehow cause we are not going to fall for their bu$hit and are going to remember the history as it happened.
They attack hospitals routinely to obsure the number of civilian casualties.
Read about the hospital in Fallujah here.
Once you get some people hopped up on war, they’ll do anything to win: torture, assassinate, chemical weapons, nukes, kill reporters, destory hospitals, etc.
We need someone with a little more moral integrity leading this country. Not some elitist creampuff/bully who proves his masculinity on the weak.
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This blog is a joke. Instead of starting new rumors, why not follow the old onews to conclusion. What happened to coverage of the CIA leak case? Ill tell you why, it turned out to be BS.
Now you report this one, until it turns out to be BS too. Then it dissapears.
Brad, try telling the truth to people, the whole truth. Liar.
"Control Room" anyone? The Documentary about AL-Jazeera during the invasion of iraq and overtaking of Baghdad.
It showed US forces bombing 3 IRaqi news offices in Baghdad, one of them being Al-Jazeera. A reporter was on the roof at the time and was killed.
The excuse by US officials was always the same…either they insist there was terrorists there and had no idea they were news agencies.
US did bomb Al-Jazeera. It wasn’t the main office or anything, but the local office. Why doesn’t anybody know this? Talk about a memory hole.
4 and 5 – you idiots better watch your trollish backsides – you’re likely to get butted by 6 or 7 billy goats gruff
re #6: Rosencrantz: lots of reporters are still talking about the bombing of Aljazeera in Baghdad, including most of the articles to which I have linked above. So it’s not as bad a memory hole as you might think. And this story is giving extra legs to the old stories about how the Pentagon targets journalists. Especially the non-embedded ones.
re #3: Big Tobacco: that’s quite right. The two things this War Machine seems to fear most are hospitals and journalism. Oh yeah, and pictures of the returning dead soldiers. Oh yeah, and anything else that would give the American people a realistic picture of what the War Machine is doing in Iraq.
re #5 Nice to see you back here, Ricky. We’ve had a shortage of contemptible assholes lately. But the fact is that I would have been writing about this on Tuesday — except that it was unconfirmed at the time. When Downing Street invoked the Official Secrets Act, this story left the realm of unsubstantiated rumor. Only the willfully ignorant can fail to see that.
Talk about a "liar": You, Ricky, are trying to cover up massive and hideous crimes against innocent people — crimes against humanity. That makes you an accessory after the fact. And you deserve to hang — just like the rest of the war criminals. Have a pleasant Thanksgiving.
(P)Ricky,
How do you surmise that the CIA leak case has gone away?
Oh…I see – you WANT it to go away. Therefore, it HAS gone away. You sure that you aren’t Sean Hannity? I’m no CIA agent, but the M.O. of your editorial fits (I want it to be, so it IS)…and so does the nom de plume – (P)Ricky.
Seriously, though…how has it gone away? You make the accusation – back it up.
Soul Rebel: Don’t hold your breath waiting for a response to your challenge. Ricky’s got nothing — no facts, no reasoned arguments, nothing at all, really, except a bad habit of sneering at people who know more than he does.
Ask Scooter Libby if the C.I.A. leak case is B.S. He’s facing a possible 30 years in jail because of it.
Ask Judy Miller if it’s B.S. Her career at the New York Times just ended on account if it.
Ask Fitzgerald if it’s B.S. He just resumed his investigation with a new grand jury, and he’s already put a reporter in jail and indicted the vice president’s chief of staff on five separate counts.
Some B.S., huh?
Stay tuned, Ricky boy. You’ll soon have a bunch of other scandals to put down. Abramoff’s friends on Capitol Hill are at least in the dozens, maybe in the hundreds. One hell of a lot of B.S. is going to hit the fan pretty soon, pal. I wouldn’t leave town.
No kidding, Robert.
Oh yeah, its all gonna hit the fan. How many times over the last years have you all said its gonna hit the fan and NOTHING happens?
You people are a joke. You dont realize that all your doomsday theories you’ve been spouting for years dont work because you believe LIES. THATS WHY THEY NEVER WORK.
Sincerly,
The majority of the USA.
Your precious Al Jazeera news station likes to show Americans head being hopped off. Its no wonder you defend them, Americans getting their heads chopped off fits your agenda.
educate yourself about 911
Ricky and Dan in an endless loop… I think I’ll check out another thread
Ricky,
How about we make a deal. You will state your feelings about what the country and the world should think if it proves true that Bush actually proposed bombing the offices of Al Jazeera in a friendly country. Also what your opinion of the administration would be if that were to occur. We know your current position.
Then we can state how we would react if it proves to be false.
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Just to add to the details of the story…
In case anyone forgot, Qatar (home of "Operation Bye-Bye AJ") is also the headquarters of CENTCOM, etc.
Jazeera fury over ‘U.S. bomb’ memo
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Thanks, SG for #18 … and ROTFL with Czaragorn on #16!
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By the way, if anyone doesn’t think that Bush is a madman after this story — knowing that he wanted to bomb an allied country in which the central command for the military for Iraq resides — then I’ve got a Geneva Convention approved White Phosphorus bomb to sell you.
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Wonder if he (bush) wanted an "airstrike" on Aljazeera or a "car bomb" ,maybe a "suicide bomber" left over from 7/7 ? You know have a anti-terror drill …
#20 SG that’d be Ricky.
Come on, Ricky and Dan, engage each other! I want to hear it:
"What about 9/11?"
"Yeah, you better not forget 9/11!"
"I’m not forgetting, I want to know!"
"If you don’t already know you must not be a patriot!"
"Come on, I want the truth here!"
I could go on and on – maybe mAnn might give me a job, of some sort…
It just keeps adding up. We’ve had an incompetent liar who stooges for the interests of Big Money as President for 5 years.
Not that it’s so different from what we usually have.
WayneMadsenReport.com is reporting that the DeLay + Abramoff link includes a linkage to 3 mafia types in Florida who may have murdered a businessman. If all those dots connect it’s gonna make for great newspaper headlines.
We might get to see DeLay in real orange jumpsuit prison garb before we ever see Karl Rove in handcuffs.
He’s also reporting that the Italian "CIA" agent who doctored up the Niger documents was employed during the 1980s by … get this, George Herbert Walker Bush. Amazing, eh?
If all these chickens come to roost there’s gonna be fried chickenhawk for dinner.
For those of you that don’t know Al Jazeera is a joke to most people in Iraq. They supported Saddam. No one there likes Saddam. They keep killing anyone that would defend him. The Kurds have their on Networks and so do the mainstream Iraqi People. Their is no need to distroy them they have done it to themselves.
First off, Ricky.. Who cares what Al Jazeera shows? What happened to wanting to bring "democracy" to the middle east? What happend to "freedom of speach"?
Oh… I keep forgetting.. The Rethugs only want to let you have freedom of speach if you say things they like to hear, otherwise they espouse having you censured.. I keep forgetting how deep the hypocracy goes with you lunatics.
The right-wing has no respect for human beings, only for themselves (and those that share their elitists neurosis). They only want "rights" to extend to them and their friends, everyone else in the world is supposed to live by different rules. Kind of like how the Christians used to be, and are trying to be again. The only people who have "rights" are "people who take christ into their harts", everyone else are "heathens" and "sinners" and can be dismissed (and killed or tortured), god said so.
"The Rethugs only want to let you have freedom of speach if you say things they like to hear, otherwise they espouse having you censured.. "
Exactly. They take pride in bashing left-leaning organizations like the ACLU without considering that the ACLU seeks to protect all speech that is protected by the Constitution – as, I might add, do all true progressives. I’ve always said that any private organization can make whatever rules it might want about what can and can’t be said (i.e. hate speech) but I personally always want to allow people, even repugnantly obnoxiously ignorant people to speak their minds freely. How I respond to their speech is my prerogative – if someone shows themselves to be a racist, sexist, or some other rotten type, then I choose not to associate with that person. And I would rather know the truth behind people’s motives through their speech than to have them censured because I don’t agree with their position.
I think this is a Constitutional fundamental that the neocons, who are simply power-hungry and don’t give a rip about civil liberties, will never understand.
Our friend Ricky says bloggers believe in doomsday scenarios based on lies, and he signs his message "Sincerly (sic), the majority of the U.S.A." Apparently Little Richard hasn’t seen the recent polls…Bush at 37% approval, Cheney at 19%.
Of course, the polls could be wrong. If we voted on it instead, Bush/Cheney might come out at 51%. Depending, of course, on who counted the votes.
Ricky might not be old enough to remember Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines. He let us keep all our military installations intact, in return for what might be called "financial support." Ronald Reagan called him a "great friend of America," not intuiting that most people who accept handouts are friendly toward the donor.
Marcos pretended to be a fierce anti-Communist, because he was smart enough to know that during the Cold War the best way to show friendship to the United States, and keep the $$$$ rolling in, was to do exactly that. Meanwhile the people at home weren’t fooled; they voted him out of office, but his thugs rigged the ballots and he stayed in power. Then freedom fighters like Benito Aquino stirred up civil unrest, so Marcos had Aquino killed.
Then he stole another election. Except this time Reagan had agreed to send Jimmy Carter over there to monitor things. One district gave Marcos 10,000 votes and his opponent zero (sound like a few precincts in Ohio?). When asked how this was possible, Marcos replied, "I have a lot of cousins there."
The point that the Rickys of this world will never get is that history always repeats. For every Marcos who pretends to be a beacon of hope against the Communist menace in exchange for money, there’s an Ahmad Chalabi spreading lies about WMD so he can persuade the United States to invade Iraq and cash in on the economic vacuum
that results from it. And for every Ahmad Chalabi, there’s a neo-con theorist willing to do his bidding.
Ricky thinks Rush Limbaugh tells the truth. You can’t talk to these people. They "choose" their news. We’re just looking for real news here…that’s why I go here to this blog.
Ricky backs women congressmen who steal elections from Iraq War vets, and smear marine vets who served for 37 years. The GOP is real "pro-military". When are these idiots going to wake up??? Dick "5 deferrments" Cheney. Real "pro-military". George "AWOL" Bush. Real "war hero’s". They are classic chickenhawks. Bush/Cheney/Schimid’t pictures are in the dictionary, under "chickenhawk". Actually, the whole Bush cabinet is…who in the Bush cabinet saw combat ever??? And blind people like Ricky continue to back these freaks. I’ll never understand it.
If the Democrats acted like this, I’d hate them too. But you don’t see Democrats bashing war vets. Give me an example..
I don’t think Ricky really backs Bush & Co., Dan. He’s a troll, and you seldom if ever read trolls actually backing Bush. Occasionally they’ll try to compare something Bush does with something Lincoln or Reagan did, but without much conviction (for obvious reasons).
What they always do is attack others for not backing Bush. We’re pathetic liberals, or conspiracy buffs, or idiots, or losers, or traitors. It’s a "hate the enemy" approach. Entirely negative.
Limbaugh’s listeners are mostly small-town, intellectually challenged types who like to feel superior when they’re actually inferior. During the Jim Crow era they were called "white trash," and their targets were blacks against whom they competed for jobs. Now racism is unacceptable, so they’ve turned their fury against liberals, against whom they compete for ideas. Limbaugh gives them one or two "ideas" a day (talking points), just as Fox Network does on TV. That’s about all most of his listeners can absorb, intellectually.
When George Wallace did it, it was demagoguery. When Limbaugh does it, it’s called talk radio. But it’s really the same gratuitous negativism.
i wonder how a madman like Bush made his way to the oval office twice!
Bush & his Cabinet are a buncha oil men. BusinessMen. Corporate Men. Foolish and Greedy ..and i expect them to do Anything, absolutely Anything, to Shut every1 up and divert more $$ into their pockets.
The War on Iraq was no surprise…
aljazeera memo was no surprise…
Bush Won the 2004 elections… ………surprise! :plain: