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"Iraq WMD, The Outing of Valerie Plame, The Downing Street Memos and The White House's Obsession for Going to War..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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George Walker Bullshit
said on 10/27/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Where will I go?
Where will I hide?
You can't indict Rove and Libby! You're suppose to believe everything I say?
Somebody lose Fitz! I'm losing sleep!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Jo
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:38 pm PT...
Have yourself a merry little fitzmas!
October 25, 2005
'Twas the Night Before Fitzmas
Twas the night before Fitzmas, and in the White House
Every one was scared s**tless, and Bush was quite soused
The indictments were hanging like Damoceles' sword
As verminous oxen prepared to be gored
The perps were all sleepless, curled fetal in bed
While visions of prison cells loomed in each head
And Dick in his jammies, and George in his lap
Were sweating and swearing and looking like crap
When out on the web there arose such a clatter
The blogs and the forums were buzzing with chatter
Away to the PC Rove ran like a flash
He booted his browser and cleared out his cache
The rumors that flew through the cold autumn air
Made Dubya shiver with angry despair
When what to his horror-filled eyes did he spy?
A bespectacled man with a brown suit and tie!
With an impartial manner that gave Bush the shits
He knew in a moment it must be St. Fitz!
With unwavering voice, his indictments they came
He cleared out his throat and he called them by name:
Now Scooter, Now Libby,
Now Blossoming Turd,
Now Cheney, dear Cheney,
Yes, you are the third
To the bench of the court
Up the steps, down the hall
Now come along, come along,
Come along, all!
He then became silent, and went right to work
He filed the indictments and turned with a jerk
And pointing his finger at justice's scale
Said, "The people be served, and let fairness prevail."
He then left the room, to his team gave a nod
And the sound could be heard of a crumbling facade
And we all did exclaim, as he faded from sight
"Merry Fitzmas to all, and to all a good night!"
(source: politicalhumor.com)
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Savantster
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:43 pm PT...
*sigh*
perhaps we'll start getting all the info out in the open now. Perhaps all the brain-dead twits who've been swallowing Shrubby's bullshit-shakes will break the seal on an eyelid and see something big and ugly that's been growing while they slept.. With a bit of luck, they'll kick it in the teeth and send it scurrying back into the shadows, and we'll have a government that actually gives a shit about "the people" for a few years..
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Paul
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:52 pm PT...
For a leak investigation there sure seems to be a lot of leaks from the media.
Good luck nuts!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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asadi
said on 10/28/2005 @ 3:24 am PT...
" Of course there may be corrupt men in sound institutions but when institutions are corrupting, many of the men who live and work in them are necessarily corrupted. In the corporate era, economic relations become impersonal and the executive feels less personal responsibility. Within the corporate world of business, war-making and politics, the private conscience is attunated and the higher immorality is institutionalized. It is not merely a question of a corrupt administration in corporation or army or state, it is a feature of the corporate rich,...deeply interwined with the politics of the military state"
(C. Wright Mills, The Power Elite 1956:343)
This flash video explains it all, The Power Elite (http://elite.asadi.org)
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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A Concerned Citizen
said on 10/28/2005 @ 3:48 am PT...
Jo and RLM - thank you guys for the chuckles. So much material, so little time to write!!
I sure hope at this time tomorrow, we are all talking about how hopeful things are looking for clearing out these corrupt, not-very-bright, crooks.
Guess the GOP's thinking of "there's safety in numbers" will not hold true across this land after all. They're gonna all start dropping like flies, federal and state. If they aren't hauled off to jail, they will be quickly replaced at election time, democrat or repub. That's if we can get a fair election..... Lordy, the web is so big.
Don't let us down, Fitzgerald. One small step for crime, one giant leap for saving our country. I feel hope for the first time in a looooong time.
Just picture Bush, chugging a beer and screaming at everyone in sight these days.... I would bet it's getting harder and harder to find people willing to join his payroll, or stay there.
The one good thing lately - don't think I see that damn self-righteous, annoying, I'm-getting-one-over-on-you, smirk on his face as much anymore. )
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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jimmo
said on 10/28/2005 @ 5:25 am PT...
{the comment occupying this space has been deleted because of the poster's flagrant and repeated failure to respect the few rules of this blog. WP}
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 10/28/2005 @ 5:44 am PT...
It'll all come down, it takes time, the thing is they know this, that's why they keep on pushing the limits, the law will catch up eventually, slowly but surely
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 10/28/2005 @ 6:34 am PT...
Here is a link as to how a grand jury works (link here).
What it doesn't tell is how a grand jury fails.
The people being targeted have the entire US Government spy apparatus at their disposal. You can't imagine how much info they can dig up on each grand juror. Those going in to testify can get photos of the grand jury thru spook cams. The joint can be bugged, records of who is on the grand jury can be had. Etc. Etc. Furthermore, the agents (FBI, CIA, etc) working the case "for" Fitzgerald can also be working for the powerful cabal that hijacked the goverment.
Remember, the cabal in the US government has had two years to work the grand jury behind the scenes. Fitzgerald probably has not thought of it.
It is more often than we know that a grand jury is tampered with. They get visits, calls from strangers that might mention something that grand jury person does not want known. Tax info, sexual affair info, and on and on. Photos would be shown to them but no one else ... you know the story.
A suggestion is made that this info might be leaked if so and so is indicted.
Meanwhile they work the MSM and inform the grand jurors they are targeting (not those they think will not vote for indictment).
So, the prosecutor, totally in the dark about all this, just wonders what he did wrong. There is so much evidence, yet, for some reason the grand jury will not indict.
Get the picture? It can happen but lets hope it won't. Just remember what is at stake and how powerful the targets are.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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bb
said on 10/28/2005 @ 7:48 am PT...
WMD, Plame, Downing Street, war obsession --- four related things, but you may be incomplete.
9/11.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 10/28/2005 @ 8:57 am PT...
Rove went missing a week or so ago, was not showing up for his scheduled appearances, keeping a very low profile. I mentioned on another blog that he was most likely in an undisclosed location and was not with Cheney.
I wrote back then that I thought he was cooperating to save himself and bring down Cheney (dead man walking) and Libby. I am sitting here waiting for the announcement and seems rove is not going to be mentioned. Also, cheney wasn't around for NO, I think the battle had begun.
I also wrote that bushco would survive without them as all the 'friends' have been paid back now (Halliburton, KBR, etc). Bush needs a new vp to run in '08. I hope I have this all wrong, that Fitz will go after rove, have another hour of waiting time.
I agree with Dredd (#11). What has happened in the last two years. Powerful people do despictable acts. Also, why Friday, I have read so often that the bad news comes on Fridays so it is all over by Monday. Waiting and listening to MSM, (finally something they can spin, but cannot ignor). M4
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Jo
said on 10/28/2005 @ 10:01 am PT...
Libby five counts! Investigation continues on Rove and Cheney. It is like an onion. The first layer is pulled back and then we start on the second layer.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Hannah
said on 10/28/2005 @ 10:23 am PT...
In related good news...
LINK
Voter ID Law Is Overturned
Georgia Can No Longer Charge For Access to Nov. 8 Election
By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 28, 2005; A03
In a case that some have called a showdown over voting rights, a U.S. appeals court yesterday upheld an injunction barring the state of Georgia from enforcing a law requiring citizens to get government-issued photo identification in order to vote.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Hannah
said on 10/28/2005 @ 10:28 am PT...
Should have said in #15 above... More good news (not related good news... well, perhaps in the sense that justice prevails).
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 10/28/2005 @ 10:43 am PT...
Libby resigns within the hour of his indictment.
Libby isn't charged with outing Plame, so someone else apparently did; perhaps Rove.
Interestingly, the indictments apparently say Libby learned of Plame's indentity from V.P. Cheney. That tends to indicate that when they indict someone for outing Plame there will also be a conspiracy charge against several people, probably including Cheney.
It looks like we're going to see a line of little indians being knocked down one at a time.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 10/28/2005 @ 10:49 am PT...
MeriFour #13
The facts in the indictments against Libby support an indictment for outing an agent. I posted the law here earlier. The facts strongly support such a charge.
And certainly there is factual support for conspiracy counts ... ie indictments for conspiracy as well.
So I really want to know if Fitzgerald requested an indictment for outing Plame and for conspiracy.
Also if he requested an indictment against Rove.
If he did and the grand jury did not do so see my post #11 above.
If he did not request such indictments, several scenarious arise:
1) he plans to ask a newly impaneled grand jury to do so;
2) he was compromised and all agreed Libby would take the fall;
3) he screwed up;
I await his news conference shortly before I form an opinion.
Nevertheless, he was not a wimp in the sense he brought 5 counts adding up to 30 years in prison.
And I ask the question, why would Libby, who is a sharp lawyer usually, risk up to 30 years in prison for nothing? WHAT WAS HE COVERING UP?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/28/2005 @ 12:25 pm PT...
Thanks, Jo. Very funny stuff.
Maybe we can assemble a "Merry Fitzmas Songbook," as a promotion for Bradblog. I can imagine the following as part of it:
Dick, your gall allows your folly
Fa la la la la, la la la la
'Tis the reason no one's jolly
Fa la la la la, la la la la
Now with Fitz, you've met your measure
Fa la la, la la la, la la la
To see you tried, will be our pleasure
Fa la la la la, la la la la
Fast away the Bush team passes
Fa la la la la, la la la la
While the court, its crimes amasses
Fa la la la la, la la la la
Scooter, Rove, and Dick can weather
Fa la la, la la la, la la la
Prison meals they eat together
Fa la la la la, la la la la
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Craig
said on 10/28/2005 @ 12:27 pm PT...
Whether or not there are indictments today, there is still a lot of work to do. Republican pragmatists need to keep speaking out about this failed presidency and why accountability and dialogue matter.
I'm glad John Kerry has spoken up about the mistakes that were made. Let's remember that Bush flat-out broke a bipartisan tradition on matters like foreign policy. Bush is not the first to play politics with intelligence or foreign policy but no presidency has ever concocted so much out of whole cloth or been so unwilling to have its premises examined.
Larry Wilkerson hits it on the nail. The world is becoming far too complicated for a very small number of people to decide foreign policy, especially when those people happen to be ideologues. I'm a liberal Democrat but we need to get back to where both Democrats and Republicans wrangle honestly about where we go from here. We need more liberals in Washington but we also need the Scott Ritters and Larry Wilkersons.
Here's a clue. The tsunami in Indonesia last year shows that the United States still has a major role to play in the world even without the jingoism of the Bush administration. More crises are coming. You can bank on it. In an interdependent world, we need to get smart again. And restore diplomacy to its proper role. There's a lot we're not going to be able to handle on our own.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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bluebear2
said on 10/28/2005 @ 12:27 pm PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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bluebear2
said on 10/28/2005 @ 12:29 pm PT...
Brad - that photo of Cheney is absolutely great!
"Duh? I did what?"
LMAO
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/28/2005 @ 12:46 pm PT...
I'm not a lawyer, but it's possible Libby was still the one who outed Plame first. The sticky wicket here is the 1982 law itself; as I understand the law, in order to convict someone of outing an UNDERCOVER agent, the defendant must have KNOWN THE AGENT WAS OPERATING UNDER COVER AT THE TIME.
Easy to prove Libby outed Plame, much harder to prove he knew Plame was under cover at that time (she apparently went back and forth in her status).
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/29/2005 @ 2:09 am PT...
For A Concerned Citizen: Thanks for the compliment. Here's one more "Fitzmas Carol."
Arrest Ye Merry Gentlemen
Who've Brought Us Such Dismay
They claim Christ as their Savior
And then go on their way
To save us all from Saddam's power
They've led the world astray
While tied to their comforts and joys,
Comforts and joys
Tied to their comforts and joys
From Bush, their common savior
The red state bullies came
Rained shock and awe on Baghdad and
Fallujah just the same
God's self-appointed warriors
These neo-cons we name
Are tied to their comforts and joys
Comforts and joys
Tied to their comforts and joys
I'm also working on "They Came Upon the Midnight Clear." Give me another day or two.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/29/2005 @ 10:16 am PT...
They came upon a midnight clear
Like foraging throngs of old
The planes were circling near the earth
With vengeful hearts and cold
Above the Mesopotamian plain
They bent on hovering wing
Then filled the skies with shock and awe
Their neo-con message to bring
For lo, the days are hastening on
And as corporate profits foretold
Two elections were stolen, and people were conned
By E.S.S. and Diebold
But vengeance is mine, the one God has said
And to you a new freedom I bring
I've sent you Pat Fitz to redeem all the dead
And the Liberty Bell may now ring
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Big Leg Emma
said on 10/29/2005 @ 11:02 am PT...
I notice that Larry Johnson has not been back on CNN, but Wolf's great friend but idiotic pundit Cliff May was. Interesting.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Lena David
said on 10/30/2005 @ 4:39 am PT...
Fitz’s Knuckle Ball
http://www.boomantribune...ory/2005/10/29/20254/872
http://www.talkingpoints....com/archives/006889.php
~~~
How did the media forget about Halliburton?
One of the screamingly glaring errors of reporting in the whole coverage of Libby's indictment is the
absolutely central role of the VP's office to the scandal-ridden Halliburton no-bid contracts. To refresh our memories, let's Google (C) back to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune of 10-29-2004, which is the first "objective" source that pops up in a search of Halliburton no-bid contracts.
This article reminds us that the FBI is investigating this as a criminal matter, and there are worries in Washington that not enough is being done to protect whistleblower Bunnistine Greenman, of the Army Corps of Engineers. Let us drive the point home: the whistleblower on the Halliburton contracts finds herself in the same position as Ambassador Wilson and his wife--potentially subject to the kind of scorched-earth retaliation that is alleged in the Libby indictments.
Let our analytical staff unfuzz the math for readers a moment, to keep things in perspective.
Every schoolkid that makes it out of History class is presumably familiar with the infamous "Teapot
Dome" scandal--a $100,000 no-bid contract that switched oil that belonged to the US Navy under
President Harding into the hands of oilman Sinclair, of Sinclair oil.
So if every kid knows this as a benchmark, all you have to do is fill in the Halliburton numbers to get an idea of the size of the present controversy. Switching back to the numbers of the San Diego paper cited above, we are dismayed to find the following: Halliburton as of 10-29-04 had already been awarded $2.5 billion in no bid work (out of a potential $7 billion worth of work for the same general purpose).
That makes the Halliburton awards 25,000 times bigger than the Teapot Dome amount. It's worth repeating: the Halliburton awards are 25,000 times bigger than Teapot Dome!
So fellow bloggers, once again it falls to the blogosphere to grab the blow-dried newsmodels by the lapels, and explain to them at the top of your lungs that they once again are missing the story. It's not just Libby, it's Cheney and Halliburton. Those contracts were "co-ordinated" out of the office of the vice president. Copy, get me rewrite!
Did you know this happened on Friday? Democrats quickly broadened the issue to the war as a whole. A group of 40 House Democrats (Rep. Hinchey leading - see his gov website) called on special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald to expand his investigation into the motives behind the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson's identity.
We still need to take back Congress in 2006 in order for public hearings to occur, and it is not fully clear if Fitzgerald's investigation can be relied upon to bring justice and truth to America
The administration's use of prewar intelligence has long been a point of contention between the White
House and Democrats in Congress. The Senate Intelligence Committee promised to conduct an
investigation into that matter after last year's presidential election, but Senate leaders have rebuffed Democrats' requests to start the investigation.
After all, Fitzgerald himself said to not look to his investigation to vindicate the lies of the Iraqi invasion intelligence in the public address Friday.
It is critical to increase Democrat volume in Congress 2006, but I am glad to see some voices being raised and a level of unity expressed already.
PS. Bush's first ever veto will be against McCain's anti-torture amendment to the Defense bill.
Amazing.
CommonDreams: Democrats Intensify Criticism of War, Seek White House Probe
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/31/2005 @ 2:28 am PT...
For Lena David: Regarding Teapot Dome, I'd add several other points:
1) The oil leases at Teapot Dome and California transferred Navy Department lands to private interests, but it was all done in secret by Harding cronies Albert Fall (Secretary of Interior) and Harry Daugherty (Attorney General). There wasn't any top-secret energy conference, headed by the vice president, beforehand. No war followed, and nobody died as a result of the scandal (except maybe Harding).
2) Harding had died by the time Teapot Dome broke. But it still took almost two years before it was recognized as a scandal. John W. Davis, Democrat candidate for president in 1924, called for an investigation (a year after Harding's death) and got nowhere. The New York Herald Tribune called the two Senators who began an investigation in 1925, Walsh and Wheeler, "Montana scandalmongers." The "liberal" New York Times called them "assassins of character." Anyone notice a parallel between this and the mainstream media of today, and their attacks on conspiracy theorists?
3) Will H. Hays, a G.O.P. bigwig, helped launder the kickback money from Doheny and Sinclair to the Republican party (using government bonds to disguise the transaction). Hays avoided prosecution because by the time the scandal broke, he'd gone to Hollywood as a motion picture czar to "clean up the industry." Meaning, to get sex out of silent movies. No kidding. Anyone notice a parallel between Clinton/Monica and Cheney/Halliburton?
4) Fall was prosecuted and went to jail. Daughtery was under the gun, but somehow avoided prosecution and took the Fifth at hearings. Anyone notice a parallel between Libby and others? Pardon the pun...but Libby might be "taking the Fall" here.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 10/31/2005 @ 8:41 am PT...
See.. this is why you people will always and forever be dumb...
You rely on the same "justice" that allowed the war to begin, that allowes corporations to reap the people, the same "who has the deepest pockets wins" justice to trial DeLay, Cheney and crap...
You live in a hollywood fantasy where "the law" will find Cheney & Bush guilty, will "impeach" them and...
Well.. just like Vietnam, "roll on the credits and the teaser trailer for the seqel"...
Does this "impeachement" involve some sort of physical manifestations or Busco will retreat to his 327543265 acres ranch never to be allowed to become president?
Yeah, great news for the iraqis... The monster that slaughtered them and poisoned their land with DU ammunition will never be allowed to run for president or crap and the whole press will make fun of them... Imagine the sahme...
Even if you sent the whole US administration to the gas chamber it won't be "even" by any standards...
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 10/31/2005 @ 8:53 am PT...
Here's something I see as DUMB (aside from unk bob's blanket statement that we, here, are dumb ... which is really DUMB to say) and that is that the American people are paying huge lifetime salaries to people like bush I and others who have done us so many injustices. Supreme Court Justices elected for lifetime terms is another DUMB idea. Yes, unk, there are a LOT of dumb things written into our laws that need to be changed.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Medium Right
said on 10/31/2005 @ 9:59 am PT...
SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW ME AN INDICTMENT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR. NICE TRY IN YOUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS INDICTMENT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, UNFORTUNATLY, AMERICANS ARE SMARTER THEN YOU GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR. THEN AGAIN, WE FIND THA TOUT EVERY ELECTION CYCLE DONT WE.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 10/31/2005 @ 10:32 am PT...
Cheney was telling lies to Russert about the lead up to the Iraq war, which is about the war.
Lies about the reason for going to war are part of the war. The indictment shows that Cheney knew all about what Wilson was trying to do.
Wilson was giving the american people and the congress the other side of the story. Which in this case, as we all know now, was the true story.
The record will come out in the trial as it has in the indictment (link here).
The truth is that Cheney, Rummy, Condi, and the other fascists wanted oil, and were willing to lie about it.
And still are.
The good part is that the people speak in the polls and have said "we know they are lying".
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 10/31/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
Don't talk to us, Medium Right...talk to yourself. Ask yourself one question, and don't bother to tell us the answer. Just stew over it for a while, or talk about it with other medium-right folks. Here's the question:
"Why would a Yale/Columbia-educated lawyer (magna cum laude at Yale), I. Lewis Libby, a man praised by his bosses as brilliant, talented, and hard-working, ever risk 30 years in prison telling lies about ANYTHING, except to mislead his questioner about something much bigger than who heard what from whom, and when?"
Once you figure this out, then come back to us and we'll explain to you again how Bush really didn't win either election.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/1/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
Excuse me, uncle bob, I really wonder what your motives are here.
If it's 'dumb' to expect the 'justice' system to make a difference, what (in your opinion) would be smart?
I'm very interested in knowing what MY CRUSADES are. Please explain that to ME (thank you very much.)
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Jose Chung
said on 11/1/2005 @ 12:04 pm PT...
Whose side is he on?
Senator Kennedy described Tuesday’s news of the 2000th death as an “auspicious day.”
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/1/2005 @ 12:47 pm PT...
IRT Kira:
It was "dumb" as in "dumb" for you to expect that the "justice" system will make a difference.
It's all about history... Did a "justice" system set things right after Vietnam? This whole TV drama courtyard crap will end just like the other "crusades" of yours. President resigns and... crap... move on to the next democrat governemt that'll bomb some more serbs, blast some more arabs until yet another fascist-with-balls buys his way ointo White House.
See you in 2020 in Iraq and we'll see who's "dumb"... If you don't belive me take a trip to Vietnam today. See how well they're doing after being "eliberated" from communits by shiny white Jesus-on-a-tank rednecks.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/2/2005 @ 6:59 am PT...
IRT Kira,
Well, K, it is dumb to expect justice because justice is made by the wealthy and rich. Laws are made by powerful people to help them remain in power.
How can you expect justice from a system that never ever sanctioned itself... You people won't even acknowlege the horror attacks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
How can you expect "justice" to stop Busho when "justice" allowed them to start these wars. Allowed Clinton to bomb freely thoughout middle east and start the Balkans war, allowed Bush (I) to invade Iraq and set up the genocidal embargos...
If "justice" prevails like in piss poor hollywood propaganda, why didn't it prevail over 543627865782767285 issues raning from war, human rights, environment, health etc ?
Wealth controls justice. Power controls wealth. Do the math...
Thinking that BuscoFascist will be brought down by "justice" is by any count dumb. As in "too dumb to understant that if justice really works the whole war could never have existed"
Your "justice" is either corrupt and therefore in with the WhiteHouse on the war, either made up by really, really, really, really retarded people that can't understand what's going on around and take sides with the fascist. Either way, the "justice" is fucked...
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/2/2005 @ 12:50 pm PT...
Would you get your ass off your shoulders ... you obviously don't have a clue who you're talking to here. Statements like this (for example) "You people won't even acknowlege the horror attacks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki" show you're totally ignorant of what "we" think.
Justice is Justice. We are fighting for real justice here. Why don't you join in and fight for real justice with people who are actually fighting for that cause, instead of hurling your insults?
Get a grip, dude.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/3/2005 @ 3:05 am PT...
DAMN IT!
Don't you get it?
WHO IS GOING TO JUDGE Busco???
You? The bloggers here? NO! The same bullshit prosecuters that allowed the war to start.
The only way to deliver the justice you talk about is to have a civil war.
The insults are agiant pople that think blogging will make a difference. The only way to set things right in UFS is to pick up a gun (and boy you people own a lot fo guns) and start spreading justice in Washington.
Once again: if the justice you talked about works, how come Vietnam never recievet comensations for the horrors of the war?
Because nobody gave a fuck. Including the anti-war half-ass stoned hippies. Troops were brought home and the war ended. For the people of Vietnam the reprcusions of that war are still felt today.
You say that Iraq is like Vietnam and history is repeating. Indeed, history is repeating, unfortunately all too accurate. Your anti-war movement will bring the troops home and you'll all live happily ever after (or until the next fascist buys his way into the white house). And the iraqis will be left to rott in a radioactive wasteland.
That's what it's all about. You people, here on the blogs, are strong with words. I for one think it's time for you to show how strong you are in the real life and take your country back the only way you can: by force.
Millions of people protesting all around the world didn't stop Busco back in 2003. Why do you think it'll stop them now? You people don't even have unions or such that can mass protest, boycot or disrupt utilities and such.
You balantly accept every piece of corporate bullshit they shovel. Do teachers halt teaching in schools to get adequate funding? Do doctors and nurses storm Washington to protest ever weaker public health policies?
No. You just sit down and take it. That's your problem. And until you learn to put your money where your mouth is and smack back those fascist i'll call all americans, pro or anti-war "dumb shit rednecks".
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/3/2005 @ 10:16 am PT...
Gee Bob, it's real easy being an armchair quarterback.
Nothing is stopping you from catching a plane over to the US, becoming an American Citizen and starting your own movement. From what I hear from you, though, you sound an awful lot like the NeoCONs we're dealing with here.
Good luck to ya.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/4/2005 @ 2:49 am PT...
Nope, thanx. I would'n become an american citizen with a gun on my head...
I don't want my children to learn in school that dinosaurs were made my Satan or that actually God invented the light bulb and told Edinson how to make it and other pathetic shit from your sinking culture.
Why do I sound like a neo-con? Because I think that some things can't be achieved without force?
Once agian, I'll take you on a bet to see what happens to Iraq after your fascist armada leaves (assuming it won't degenerate into a nuclear war with Syria, Iran and others in the region)... I'll bet you whatever you want that the american people will stop giving a fuck. Just like Vietnam: Troops home and fuck the rest.
Right now your goverment is determined to drag Syria into another fake bullshit excuse to invade them and what do you people do? Celebrate the arrest of some retarded fuck? Really nice and intelligent. Your army is preparing to invade the 3rd ME country in a row and you are happy american "justice" caught some greedy worm.
Nice going... Your anti-war movement is as spineless as your entire nation. Busco hide their cowerdess behind nukes and carriers. You hinde behind a stupid hollywood "justice" sterotype.
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Kira
said on 11/4/2005 @ 1:06 pm PT...
If you really gave a damn, bob, you would be actively working from your end (wherever that is) getting involved with the global community to stand against the bush regime.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for bashing the only people who are working to bring information to the rest of this country so they can know the truth. Our media is like that of 1930's Germany or Soviet Russia --- it is an arm of the neoCON propaganda. Most people in this country don't know the truth --- they are fed lies.
You should be thanking us for getting the word out and for our individual activism on many levels, which you don't know anything about.
But you aren't in any way thankful for the work we are doing --- you are stewing in a potful of anger and pointing fingers at those who can actually make a difference.
You should be organizing wherever you can and lobbying the U.N. and joining with groups like L.A.W. in Canada. You should be writing letters and making noise alerting everyone you can about the fact that the American media is shoveling propaganda and pro-bush spin --- in effect keeping most of its citizens in the dark. People who don't have computers or don't know how to navigate the internet are unable to know the truth.
Until people know the truth in this country it would be suicide for those who DO know the truth to try to take the country by force --- and that leaves the country with nobody except those who are led by the nose with the propaganda. Can't you see that?
Aren't you aware that it's not just neoCONs in the U.S. government but also the U.K. and many other countries --- banded together. Read this article:
In an anti-Bush world, key backers
(Dated Nov. 1, 2004)
Consider that Germany's biggest newspaper endorsed Bush last week, saying he's less "wobbly" than his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry. Or that in Iran - part of Bush's "axis of evil" - a top cleric supports Bush, partly because Republicans are slower to slap sanctions on Iran for its nuclear ambitions or rights abuses.
Or that Japan's prime minister broke decades of protocol and effectively endorsed Bush, whose strategic worldview envisions Japan as the key Asian power broker. Or that Colombia's president backs Bush and has adopted his with-us-or-with-the-terrorists paradigm in an increasingly successful war against narco-rebels.
Support for Bush has become lens through which countries and their leaders now see the world, on everything from terrorism to free trade to human rights. "We're talking about islands of support for Bush," says Clifford Kupchan, vice president of the Nixon Center, a Washington think tank. And they're usually leaders or nations that have benefited from Bush's worldview.
This is a global problem and until you admit that and join in some sort of activism, your energetic, disparaging, finger-pointing banter is impotent.
What are you doing besides sitting back in your armchair casting contemptuous and ad hominem attacks?
What about your country? Is it aligning itself with bush or is it against the bush admin. policies? Which country do you live in?
Are you even aware that our election system is presently owned and manipulated by the neoCONs and that the majority of Americans actually voted against g.w. bush in 2000 and 2004 --- that those elections were STOLEN? Do you understand that we (here at Bradblog --- see Velvet Revolution --- and many, many other activist sites across the blogosphere) support and work with the activists who have been bringing awareness to ignorant public officials that the DREs have been rigged?
I would suggest you take some action yourself and do whatever you can from wherever you are. If you really give a damn --- do something that will make a difference.
Here are a couple of links to L.A.W. sites (and I would suggest you support them in their efforts to bring these charges) ---
Gag Order Lifted On Canadian Torture Charges Against Bush
Lawyers Against the War
Just one other link for you:
How the World Can Help Americans Halt Bush Administration War Crimes
And until you make some effort to do something yourself --- well --- either put up or shut up.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/7/2005 @ 2:57 am PT...
Ahem... Take a look at what the French do when they are pissed off by the governemt.
What's stopping you? Your children can go on rampages shooting half of their coleagues and teachers but you people can't pick up an ol' redncek rifle and show your government what you really think?
You are too docile... I don't argue that you havea brave and decent spirit but it is your actions that need to be expressed...
You had a uber-anti-war rally... What did it come out of it? Jack shit, that's what. Cindy got arested for "jaywalking" and... END.
It's time to learn to make molotov cocktails...
Another thing. I do have a brain and enough education to put 2 and 2 together on my own. I don't need blogs to tell me the truth about 9/11, Iraq or crap.
I might have missed it in the prevoious posts but you have yet another fundamental problem:
For whom exaclty is this "information campain" for the "dinosaurs were made by satan" americans? For the 1 in 5 americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth? These kind of dumbshit animals will always and forever support Bushco. You can't turn them around.
As for my country's policy... that's irelevant. virtually all countries that matter are "not against the war"so to speak. They don't endorse it but they don't give a shit either. And even if I could do something with my government is is pointles.. My government is an Busco asslicker. If we replace it, we'll replace it with another Busco asslicker.
The problem is in your backyard, not mine. You are the obnes that need to burn out the trash.
So, you see, it's not a "global problem" if Busco burns alive along with all your corporations, there's a good chance that the piss poor greedy governments of other countries will colapse. The only thing keeping pro-Bush governemnts in Saudi Arabia or Columbia or you-name-it IS the Bush administration. Take out Bushco and the dominos will fall...
So, you see, we're waiting for you people to give the signal... You know, the fish sticks from the head.
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Kira
said on 11/7/2005 @ 5:05 pm PT...
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/8/2005 @ 2:05 am PT...
I guess this is the only article you could find or you think I'm russian... Well I'm not.
Who is invading Iraq? Who is pissing on UN? Who is twisting arms of small countires with embargoes, backed up dictatorships and piss-poor colonial capitalism? My country? Shurely not. I live in a piss poor country that never invaded another one.
My country didn't wipe out an entire civilisation to take it's land, nor did it deport 1/3 of Africa to ensalve. It didn't start countless wars to aquire more territory and influence, not did we ever develope a nuclear weapon or use one. We didn't slaughter Idochina or Middle East. Nor did we create a piss poor economic dogma that destroyed the environment and society.
Don't you understand: It's not just Iraq, it's your whole fucking history.
We don't back up dictators. We don't have grredy transnationals that economicaly enslave other nations. We don't use illegal weapons and demonize our enemies with piss poor movies and news.
Where exactly is my part here? How can I stop an entire nation of recurrent morons?
As for your piss poor article:
1. Well, maybe if you didn't demonize the russians like you did with all those piss poor hollywood movies and communism tidalwave boogie man and didnt start an arms race, probably russians would've diverted their economy to something else besides weapons and today would've been a different world.
2. First of all, if germans had the opportunity to vote for the europeean "constitution" they would've rejected it as the french and dutch did. But they didn;t get any chance. Merkel is same greedy mercantilistic fascist as Tatcher. Plus your source is a piss poor Dowing Street mouthpiece. UK is US' right hand. Even The Independent (the uk one) with all it's war criticism still leans to the same bullshit right/fascist rethoric as was seen in the articles following the London bombing.
3. Wow... "Australian Shoot-to-Kill Troops"... Australia will do whatever US and UK ask of it to do. Who are the greatest supporters of the Iraq war: US, UK and Australia (and Israel, but that's another problem)... The old pieces of the old British Empire. Now they are independent but still work together for a "greater" empire. Nice example. A former UK colony fully supports the war, after another former UK colony starts it...
4. Egypt? Gee... maybe if you people wouldn't ensalved them along with the whole middle east maybe they wouldn't be "illiterate" and "barbaric".
What part of "you sand your fucking mercantilism and colonialism fucked up almost all of the planet" don't you understant? You are the root of all evil today.
You built you "civilisation" and your "wealth" on the blood and lands of others.
What drove the sewers of the europeean society to north america? Conquest for land and resources so "Great" Britan could grow rich and civilised...
What deproted millions from Africa to be ensalved? Mercantilism and buisness. It's far cheaper on the fiscal balance to use slaves, ain't it?
What would've been in ME is Britain didn't make give one of it's colonies to the jews as gift of simpathy?
Need I to go on?
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Uncle Bob
said on 11/9/2005 @ 6:51 am PT...
G-zuz... the 5 first articles on bradblog are about vote frauds...
Really, who gives a shit? They raze entire cities off the face of the map. They let their own citizens to rot in floods and give a hand by stopping aid...
You are no longer a democracy (if you ever were one)...
Your leaders, politicians and media need to be put face on the wall and shot in the head. Not impeached.
Who's gonna punish Washington Post, NYT, Fox and the whole fascist media for the balant lies? They are as responsable for this as the ones in powers. Without the explicit help and acceptance of the media this would've never wroked.
But gee... you people call on the press for an "apology"... Full blown complices to genocide are asked for an apology...
Yet another sign that history is just repeating. As it was with Vietnam so it will be with Iraq.
I just read an article about a guy tackling the compensations for Iraq questions and the liberal blogs hailed it as a sign that the press is finally turning around... However, the author sais US should make war compensations to "reabilitate the image and credibility of US in the wolrd"... Jewish mercantilisms at their best... Not for slaughtering them and burning them alive with phosporous ammo, not for poisoning their lands with DU, but as a much needed political marketing exercise. "It's really important that the world sees us in a better light... We have money... We can pay you to like us..."
Bad news... No matter what you people do will restore any kind of crediblity or image to the world. (short of going back in time and preventing the invasion of North America by the UK empire and what followed)
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Kira
said on 11/9/2005 @ 10:43 am PT...
No point continuing with you, bob. It would just be trading insults, since that's your approach.
And, we have real fish to fry here, so I'm leaving this thread. You can continue to stew here if you like, but the lounge is empty.
Ciao