Slowly...oh so slowly the house of cards is beginning to crumble for you americans...where can you run?,where can you hide?...

Holy SHAT!!!!! Tom Delay is the key to the largest corruption investigation in our Congress, in over 30 years!!!!

"EXCLUSIVE: MARGARET THATCHER, before any talks with Tony Blair went down met with then Majority Leader Tom Delay on providing special legislation for their lobby and in and for Jack Abramoff plus the Citizens of Policy and World Affairs. "

The Thatcher family's reputation has tarnished since she left office."

LINK here

Talk about Culture of Corruption oh Jack Abramoff you have been the most busy bee haven't you!!!!!!

Doug E.

IKE was right so long ago, and tonight so was Andy!

P.S. I wish my/our Congressional Rep's and Senators would please stand-up with those like Congressman Conyers NOW. Just think; our Dem's could show 7 out of 10 Americans (certainly more) what their true stance is - that of ending this horrible, and historically worse "Culture of Corruption" now sadly embedded in our White House.

Doug, what are you quoting from? Can't find it when I Google...

#$ Its on Raw Story Joan. International ingredient has been added to flavor the soup.

MSM like the old days!

In days of olde the Court Jester was a Fool who could speak Truth to the King without so much fear of being beheaded for upsetting the great man. Today Andy Rooney didn't look foolish.

Actually, after the beginning of the show I was almost shocked that he was allowed to speak about anything more interesting than the price of potatoes.

The most devastating question of the year:

"For what?" --- Andy Rooney

FW=PNAC

I wonder if this will make an impact. I hope it will.

WHY has it taken so long for MSM journalists to say something??? Were they waiting for the poll that said more than 60% of Americans are against this war?

Anyway, thank you Andy Rooney. Keep talking.

I checked around to see what's out there: www.drudgereport.com has a heart-breaking developing story:'COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF' SUTHERLAND: BUSH WILL DESTROY OUR LIVES...

and, go back to:

http://thinkprogress.org.../02/criminal-conspiracy/
and read the comments (changed since I last read them.
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Then read what Sun Yung Moon's thinking or trying to do. I believe that was on Buzzflash!
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Just what IS happening?

Americans better listen to Andy Rooney before Bush and Company plot the invasion of Iran. The military-industrial complex has this country by the balls! :angry:

Don't you all get it? Kira, the corporate media isn't loyal to BUSH!

The whole thing is unraveling like one huge spider-web, and now that the AEI, is finally fully vulnerable and ready to be destroyed the CORPORATE POWERS THAT BE IN THE MEDIA ARE ABANDONING IT.

They are still responsible for much of the coverup, the murders, the silence and the election fraud.

But most of the corporate media was threatened by Rove, purchased off, and had interests in their own "saving my neck" world......The ones that still refuse to talk about PNAC are stupid and will be washed out with the garbage.

But this is why....the CORPORATE MEDIA CARES ABOUT RATINGS, nothing else....It never has cared about anything else....It would have annhialated the fools eons ago if the Democrats would have gotten some consistent message, some leadership to tear apart the neocons.

Now, only at the end of the wave of corruption and destruction are they getting it........

See this...
"Those who still live in the reality-based community, however, may sense they're watching the beginning of the end of something big. It's not just Mr. DeLay, a k a the Hammer, who is on life support, but a Washington establishment whose infatuation with power and money has contaminated nearly every limb of government and turned off a public that by two to one finds the country on the wrong track."

Frank Rich

OK,now we have to get rid of Chertoff....he's got to go down for good, the AEI will be destroyed once its leaders go down into prison and follow Cheney. Yeah its been a long time in coming get ready for this war......

Doug E.

I sent an email to 60 minutes thanking them for saying what I've been thinking for so long. I don't know what is happening, but I want to do my part to encourage it.

Just saw this: PNAC Faces RICO Lawsuits

They're on the losing ends now, there is nowhere left to run for PNAC. The only way out of this is destroying 10 million plus million people somehow and they can't do it....They are but a band of 60 psychopaths, we will destroy them and ruin the AEI and Diebold forever!!!

Doug E.

Yes, the military-industrial complex is a problem, but it is far more dangerous when it is being controlled by religious nut cases that believe God placed Bush in the White house. These retards really believe in the Second Coming and prior to that happening they want chaos and destruction and the mess they are making confirms to them that they are on the right path!! That's what is scary...these nuts think all this is good!

I've never understood how such a small gang of idiots could ruin a whole country in such a small amount of time. Until the sheep wake up and realize their party has been hijacked I don't see a way out of this thing. So many of them don't have the slightest clue of the existance of PNAC. Even when it is mentioned in the media it's described as just another conservative think tank, when Kristol is interviewed, which is very often, he is always just introduced as an editor, never a member of PNAC. The rightwing puts religion in such high regard but don't even follow it. The Bible says those that sit by in idle indifference are just as guilty. It's amazing how much they forget much of the Bible they are always throwing in our faces. Keep PNAC and what they really are in the forefront as much as you can.

I think it's more accurate to say the corporate media was AFRAID OF Bush than to say they were LOYAL TO him. The White House is famous for retaliating against unfriendly press.

Also, as long as Bush had decent poll numbers, Rove could frame any attack on him in the media as proof of a "liberal elite." Now. that so-called liberal elite is at 60%, Bush is at 40%, so "liberal" is less of a negative buzzword (except with trolls on bradblog).

The fear is dissipating. The truth is emerging about Bush and his cronies at last. The turning point was when Rove's lawyer admitted he had discussed Valerie Plame with Novak, making Scottie-boy McClellan look like a fool for denying it in 2003.

Expect two stolen elections to be exposed, the truth about 9/11 to come out, and Bush to suddenly discover that Iraq's army is able to fend for itself. Indictments of certain big shots by Fitzgerald would be the frosting on the cake. Even without them, Bush will eventually assume his place on the historical ranking of presidents, somewhere in an abyss between Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce.

Robin - that small band of idiots have long, long tentacles..that have been manuevering for years.
Putting the right people in the places to protect their backs.
This administration is a poisen and unless we find the antibiotic to overcome it, it will kill us all.

Robert Lockwood Mills is right....we can only hope for a Nixon moment where all the lies are exposed..and their own party will clean house to save it. It will take more than Bush's removal to get clean.

We need to hope for a REAL News media to find their courage.

Doug, the media has been working for the rightwing for many, many years. Money talks, I think. The media worked to screw Clinton during the impeachment trial (which was the most damning for the rightwing imho ... that's where I HEARD their ugliness and lies very clearly) and you can follow it back even further than that. In recent years, it has gotten a whole lot worse, to the point that many journalists are now actually paid by the White House to carry the neoCON message of propaganda.

Yes --- the media has the same blood as bu$h on its hands. They are just as guilty. They hid the truth and rallied the country with lies. Many of the churches are guilty --- read Katherine Yurica's "Blood-Guilty Churches" --- because many of them used their pulpits to rally their flock into a frenzied support of this immoral war.

I agree with Robert Lockwood Mills. Remember when Dan Rather somewhat sheepishly said that he would line up wherever the President told him to. That was an eye opening statement ... Dan Rather said it ... how many others were reacting the same way, yet not saying anything out loud??

Remember this? The Lynching of Dan Rather

[snip] "It's that fear that keeps journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions," the aging American journalist told the British television audience.

In June 2002, Dan Rather looked old, defeated, making a confession he dare not speak on American TV about the deadly censorship --- and self-censorship --- which had seized US newsrooms. After September 11, news on the US tube was bound and gagged. Any reporter who stepped out of line, he said, would be professionally lynched as un-American.

"It's an obscene comparison," he said, "but there was a time in South Africa when people would put flaming tires around people's necks if they dissented. In some ways, the fear is that you will be necklaced here. You will have a flaming tire of lack of patriotism put around your neck." No US reporter who values his neck or career will "bore in on the tough questions."

Dan said all these things to a British audience. However, back in the USA, he smothered his conscience and told his TV audience: "George Bush is the President. He makes the decisions. He wants me to line up, just tell me where." [snip]

Many of us have known this was going on ... however if more than just a very few of our journalists had joined together at an appropriate time we would never have started that illegal and immoral war with Iraq. We would have had some coverage on our stolen elections --- we might have averted that horrendous loss of property and life in New Orleans. And there is so much more that hasn't been sucked dry by the vampiric neoCONS that might be saved now. BUT the media has got to start reporting the TRUTH.

Doug #17 --- I found that link to Doug Wallace's lawsuit sometime between November 2004 and Jan. 2005. I had forgotten it until you just posted the link again. What's going on with his lawsuit? There have been many lawsuits against the cabal, but none of them, so far, has made any difference. We can only hope that the house of cards will continue to shift and fall. It will shine the light on more than just Republicans --- the neoCON Democrats will suffer as well. That's why they haven't spoken up sooner.

More about RICO

Why the Bush Administration Should Be Prosecuted as a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization

[snip] In my opinion, and this article is not a legal opinion, the Republicans in Congress as well as those in the Justice Department, who refuse to open investigations of suspected criminal acts that may have been committed by Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, Tom Delay and present or former Republican staffers in congress, and other members of the Bush-Cheney enterprise, could themselves be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

Nevertheless, even if congressional leaders actively obstruct justice, all is not lost: the minority members of the House and Senate can still file an unprecedented RICO (Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization) case against the Bush-Cheney enterprise. Similarly, California’s Governor Gray Davis (or Cruz Bustamante—should he succeed Davis) can file both a civil and criminal RICO against the Bush-Cheney enterprise. If California victims file a class action RICO suit in federal court and prevail, they would gain treble damages. If the state chooses to file in the state court, and it prevails, the statute awards double damages, which will help pull California out of its enormous debts.

If this sounds too good to be true—not to worry. The rule of law is worth following because it pays off. The fact that what I am suggesting has never been done before is no reason why it should not be carried out now. Never before have we had a suspected criminal enterprise being directed from the White House. RICO was created by Congress to reach racketeering activities, including white-collar crimes that could not be prosecuted by any other means. The government of the United States has failed its citizenry. It has ceased to function ethically and honorably. RICO allows prosecutors (whether civil or criminal) to name the corporate entity, which in this case is the U.S. Government as a defendant, plus the corrupt “enterprise” within the government as a defendant, and the individuals who make up the corrupt enterprise and commit the illegal acts as defendants.

... What Can Ordinary Citizens Do?

People who have been educated solely in specialized fields of knowledge often find it difficult to see the whole. A RICO prosecution requires a generalist’s broad knowledge rather than compartmentalized thinking. The culprits in this story are hoping that Americans will see things only in little compartments and will remain blind to the whole. So the future is in your hands. Every American who loves this country must make their voices heard. “Investigate! Prosecute! RICO! RICO!” needs to be heard across the breadth and length and heights of America. My dear reader, it’s up to you now. The dots have been connected. [snip]

We need to push for RICO suits agains this cabal.

Then there is this one --

US DoD McNiven RICO SUIT! BUSH SENIOR, CIA head, & his 1976 state terror plan to hit WTCs!

Doug E. -thanks for posting the 'snip' from the WMR site. I had not been there and gleaned much info. I have been buried in my books too long and out of touch with the up to the minute happenings. Thank God I found this site. I go insane reading my books but now I am a walking zombie. Overwhelmed is putting it mildly. I don't know what it will take to wake up America. I really don't.
I advocated 'tongue in cheek' about succession in an earlier post and am now serious about it. Dismantle this Country, one State at a time, so we can start over. Bloody, you betcha... illegal, like that matters in 2005. Time for the States to take back their Sovereign powers. Perhaps we can get these criminals if we do it within a smaller framework. My blue state is full of these crooks.
M4

Patrick Fitzgerald may give them the watershed moment this week/month ,maybe...they need a wave to ride...after turning a blind eye for so long they (MSM) must see the tide turning ...Fitzgerald could change things profoundly...

Kira, love - I haven't even finished reading this thread, but your # 22 was a great post! Thank you! We shall overcome!

Love and Peace to All, Bob

I'd trade Kerry, the Clintons, John Edwards and Al Gore for just one Dwight Eisenhower.

How can any Republican old enough to remember him bear to vote for someone like Bush?

Thank you Bob! Love and Peace back. WE SHALL OVERCOME! Especially with all the tireless work Brad does. How does he do it?

I always feel so blessed I found this site and all these intelligent and diligent folks. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

LET'S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!

The most sane rant by Andy Rooney EVER!

Kira - the thing with Dan Rather's memo is maybe the memo wasn't real but the facts sure were. We have information over and over that Bush just disappeared for a year. No one comes forward with validation of even seeing him that year in Alabama. And isn't that A.W.O.L for anyone else?

Bush just says, "it never happened." whenever he is caught in a lie or contradicts himself and the media lets it go. Just Amazing.

Damn funny we have money for bullets but not protective armor, or goggles or in some instances telescopes for the rifles.

A year after Congress demands DOD provide protections for the troops and families are still buying what our sons and daughters need to stay alive.

TexasLady --- I think anybody who had a brain when that memo surfaced knew the facts were true. Yeah - just who in their right mind wouldn't collect on that reward if they had actually seen the weasel? (W stands for Weasel?)

Gahhh! The media is so corrupt!!! The country is so corrupt!!! Sometimes I just want to throw up.

Oh wait! We have money to pay nearly $1,300 per week per N.O. evacuee living aboard the FEMA Circus Carnival Cruise Liners (when they could have one of their REAL cruises for $599 ea.) !!!!!! But no money to give our troops protective body/humvee armor? What kind of (excuse my French in advance) SH*T is that?

With CIA agents being murdered and assassination attemps on congresspeople, MSM has been afraid to speak up. Not until Katrina, the 9/24 protest and the corruption scandals of late was the timing right to speak up for MSM.

I've been waiting for Andy to protest. He just needed the right timing...and he found it!

Oh, oh Deepseas now you will be called a conspiracy nut...everytime I suggest how strange it is that anyone opposing this administration suddenly committs suicide or their plane has engine trouble the right wings start holloring conspiracy nut job.

Anyone with a little time should look into the 'heartattacks', the suicides, the air accidents, or boat accidents. Sure alot of accidents in the last 5 years.

I glad it is finally coming out, even if it is Any Rooney! Don't laugh, but I watched Oliver Stone's JFK and during Costner's speech in court, it was so clear. Average Americans feel war is a last measure thing, only when other means have been exhausted, do you go to war. That is why I can't understand Iraq. There were other options. I felt Viet Nam was awful. So much loss of life, so many young Americans died and for what. The reason for Viet Nam and Iraq is our "powers that be" feel war is a major business. A very profitable business. Look at the billions that major defense companies made off of VN. Now Iraq. Monitarily, it's in the neighborhood of a billion a month. Young Americans are their assets, disposable. They don't have a conscience about right and wrong. My heart aches. Only when Americans wake up and smell the coffee will this sickening cycle break.

Kira- The corporate media IS turning against them now, we have to make sure it turns completely against the PNAC thoug and tears its teeth into the AEI.

Things are not what they seem Kira....

This is the reason why Congress has been so criminal...

Congress and other key state auditors, have been purchased, bullied, and threatened to go along with Jack Abramoff's AIPAC scam for years this goes back to Tom Delay and Margaret Thatcher, the AIPAC tour for Congress in 1990, the whole spiel!

These guys have been roughshodded for years. AIPAC/PNAC or the AEI is a cancer!!!! Its just been spreading while we've been paying no attention. We could have nuked them long ago and got them out of the USA had we cared, but now they've corrupted three branches, and the RICO fights are finally going to court.

RICO vs Ashcroft has forced Ashcroft to be deposed in New York. Everyone is hammering the Hammer now. Bush & Cronies are being whipped by the corporate media over the CIA leak and Iraq constantly.

WE NEED FITZGERALD, AND THE SENATE, TO START BREAKING THE CRIME RING APART.

Issue the indictments and trial dates, and the first suave comes falling out like a gushing waterfall. Then the Able-Danger hearings by Specter and the rest, will finally expose Michael Chertoff, HW Bush's "friend" and Cheney's boss. And when Chertoff/Cheney are finally dragged into the light there will be no more secrets, the whole thing, is imploding and desintergrating.....We must keep up the fight!!!

Doug E.

Paul Bigioni:
The Real Threat of Fascism
Head on over to Common Dreams and read this well thought out atricle on what is happening to America. The Republican Party has become the New Fascist Party controlled by PNAC cronies. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0930-25.htm

:)Go Andy! Go!

#20 - Robert --- I think Bush is dead last. There are many similarities with Harding - stupidity and being in a gang of cronies and crooks. I think Teapot Dome and other scandals will look downright quaint when the full story is told of the current administration. Also, Harding did advocate peaceful trade and was generally opposed to war.

Pierce was ineffectual and didn't have a clue about much. His policies helped bring on the Civil War. He was a terrible president, but the violence and downright fascist mentality of the neocons; the fact that our nation is being bankrupted; that great and imminent environmental dangers to the planet are being largely ignored; that the apparent solution to peak oil and its complex of problems is to rob what we can and stifle development of other energies; that our Constitution has been ripped apart by those who obviously think of it only as a hindrance to their plans; that bu$h was the president that allowed (at the very least) a horrible attack on U.S. soil and considered it a great boon to his and his cronies' greedy plans; that he has such little respect for the American people or such confidence in his propaganda machine he comes up with blatant and contradictory lies almost every day; that he was likely not elected at all.... Of course, you know all this.

Personally, I think - in the presidential rankings - there is everybody else and far below is Bush - the worst president ever, by far.

I wish I could find a link for this, but I recall reading somewhere that duhbaya actually said out loud to "friends" at a BBQ, I believe, "I won the trifecta!" just after 9/11. Can any of you 6 or 7 help find it?

Kira,

The link which tells the story of the "Crazies" and their climb to power is rather amazing.

It's been speculated that GHW Bush took part in (or lead) the assassination of Kennedy (JFK, who knows about Bobby). I've speculated recently that GHW Bush might've tried to have Reagan killed, so he could take over. But, I never thought of Rockefeller as part of the cabal and the attacks on Ford as related to the Crazies plans.

This whole thing is decades long, nasty and evil. America doesn't need this kind of conspiracy theory contaminating our every political thought. It needs to be proven or tossed out. I hope some serious journalists can do this.

Thanks for the link.

Hi CZARAGORN,

It's the Trifecta, stupid ...

[snip] In the weeks after 9/11 three tragedies burdened our souls. While unemployment rose, shattered families mourned, and bombs still fell in Afghanistan, Bush turned to his budget director, Mitch Daniels, and said, "Lucky me. I hit the trifecta."

When that quote was published I expected a White House denial. Instead, Bush turned it into a laugh line at a series of private fundraisers. Time and again it served as the punch line for the most tasteless joke ever told.

You see, both the president and his well-heeled contributors knew that he could not sustain their massive tax cuts without shifting the cost to the remaining taxpayers - the middle class - by running massive deficits.

But he had promised not to do that! He needed a loophole - an excuse to give the voters. So he manufactured his trifecta joke.

"You know, I was campaigning in Chicago and somebody asked me, is there ever any time where the budget might have to go into deficit? I said only if we were at war or had a national emergency or were in recession. (Laughter.) Little did I realize we'd get the trifecta. (Laughter.)"

To appreciate the tastelessness, remember the context. His audience knew the game. Bush needed political cover for their lavish tax cuts. That's why the transcript shows the strange notation (Laughter) when he mentions war, national emergency, and recession. And why they laugh again when he happily calls them a trifecta - racetrack jargon for three "lucky winners" in a row!

Is depravity too strong a word? [snip] **MORE**

Bravo ANdy!! We need more, much more of this upfront talk and writing!!!

I don;t know how much will be sent to you. Hope it ALL comes.

DAD

Hey John this is some HOT stuff!

Ernie

George Herbert Walker Bush is one of the few Americans over the age of 50 who isn't certain of exactly where he was at the moment Kennedy was assassinated. When asked by a reporter for his location, Bush said, "I THINK I was in Houston."

He thinks? At the time Bush was 39 years old, established in business, married with five living children, and preparing to run for Congress. And he isn't certain of his whereabouts during the most shocking event of the 20th century.

Incredible. Clueless. It doesn't mean he was part of the deal, but it means something. I'll let the psychiatrists out there work on it, and while they're at it, please tell us whether his number one son is a sociopath, one of the dumbest clods to ever enter public life, or both.

$5,600,000,000

:O

Does that include the $600 Pentagon toilet seats?

I'd have voted Republican if McCain had been nominated .... none of the Bush's qualify for my respect or admiration.
Do you think "Daddy" helped getting us into IRAG????

"The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. …" ....Ike

I'll send an email thank you to 60 Minutes also, but you know, I really think we need to send lots of letters/emails/faxes to the Senate & the House, to editors & journalists, AGAIN, but concentrating on the criminality & the lack of media coverage.

I mean, how long have they been not listening & not responding? If they don't listen anyway, when we are mild & polite & civil, why not just come out & say
WHY IN HELL ARE YOU, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS & YOU, THE MEDIA NOT DOING YOUR JOBS??!!

THESE PEOPLE ARE DESTROYING YOUR COUNTRY & YOU ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN!!! WHY??

WHAT DO THEY HAVE ON YOU?? THREATS,BRIBERY, WHAT??

YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THE DESTRUCTION OF YOUR COUNTRY!!!

The LACK of outrage from the media is far beyond appalling. So many laws have been broken, rules reversed, scientific findings altered, the media SHOULD BE HAMMERING THIS ADMINISTRATION INTO THE GROUND.
We need to ask WHY THEY'RE NOT! We need to ask senators & congresspeople WHY are they not screaming in blind bloody outrage over this stuff??!!

Ok, I think I just wrote my next letter to 'all of the above.'

Go Andy Go!!!!! You Said it all right. Please come back with more. Your a good spokesman & with the truth.

Thanks, Kira! I was under the impression it was a one-time slip. It's truly damning that he dared, nay, savored, repeating it, again and again. What a base creature!
RLM: I'm pretty sure that GHW's statement about his location when JFK went down indicates complicity. Surely he knows, so why is he lying? Where, in fact, was he? I recall a quote of his about what the people would do to him and his crowd if we were ever to learn of all the vile things they've done.
Andy - thank you for having the courage. May you ever be known as the first crack in the dike!
Yes, may the good Lord (or whichever hypothesis you subscribe to) help us all, but, above all, let us all get together now and help ourselves, while there's still time...

Truly a rare moment...considering it was Rooney who recommended we all get a Veri-chip implanted in all of us. Rooney is a dangerous cointel op just like Friedman and the fame hungry Jon Stewart who, like the jewish media whore that he really is, allowed the CIA to install the mk ultra large video screen behind him last month.

Truly a rare moment...considering it was Rooney who recommended we all get a Veri-chip implanted in all of us. Rooney is a dangerous cointel op just like Friedman and the fame hungry Jon Stewart who, like the jewish media whore that he really is, allowed the CIA to install the mk-ultra large video screen behind him last month.

http://www.cagw.org

Citizens Against Government Waste

thank you andy rooney for your comments on the iraq war.
maybe you can tackle why we aren't we hearing any news on the news next time??

Andy's comments were accurate and desperately needed. He not only spoke truth, he probably also opened the door that makes dissent less dangerous. The country may not be lost. We owe him a great deal

Thank you so much Andy Rooney for finally speaking out about this disgusting war. May others have the courage to follow in your footsteps.

You guys are really grasping for straws when you all have an erection when a whiney old man runs his mouth